EPTEywa-
Introduction:
In many ways, Eywa's play reminds me of Kush's mafia play:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548&user=200457
In that game (Newbie XXVII), Kush is an insanely active scum-player whom many dismissed as "too fearless/crazy to be scum." As a result, townies avoided looking at his filter and analyzing just how much mafia-motivation there was behind his posts.
A lot of the arguments for "town" Eywa have been that he's too active and fearless to be scum. I can sympathize with this because this is normally a pretty reliable tell for first-time forum players. However, Eywa is not a first time player. He's an outspoken individual who is very familiar with the mindset of playing mafia. "Fearlessness" is an excuse to dismiss a scum-slip or two. But when someone's filter is littered in mafia-motivation, it's no longer sufficient.
As an additional note, I initially took a lot of townie vibes from Eywa's "mood-shift" in Day 2. However, when you look at his analysis over those days... it's pretty... not... convincing...
1) A votecount list calling a bunch of people "possible scum" (also calls DYH "not scum")
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=70#1397
2) A list putting suspicion on virtually every single player in the game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=71#1402
3) A "hypothesis" spreading suspicion on multiple players (also defends DYH)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=74#1462
Table of Contents:
1) Day 1 Play (Lynch + N1)
2) Stance on DYH
3) Stance on Mr.Cheesecake + MrZ ***This should seal the deal***
4) The Scumslip to End All Slips
1) Day 1 Play
My previously posted case talks about this. The analysis still stands, since it was dropped due to Eywa's "fearlessness" rather than him actually defending himself.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=43#852
2) Stance on DYH
The first time that Eywa mentions DYH is early in D2, where he calls DYH "not scum" for no reasoning, and then soft-defends him:
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On December 18 2012 11:47 Eywa- wrote:
Yeah, given the lack of posting I'd say people have lost their sanity already.
Though, let's look at the situation as it stands:
Hapahauli (Possible Scum) - 2 Votes
Eywa- () - 2 Votes (one of which is impossible to change)
Jie Xian - 1 vote (Not really Scummy, not likely to get majority vote)
Kush - 0 votes (Possible Scum, mostly overlooked)
MrV - 1 vote (Not Scum)
Mr.Cheesecake - 0 votes (Scum)
DoYouHas - 0 votes (Not Scum)
Drakaz - 0 votes (Possible Scum)
Djodref - 0 (Possible Scum)
Yeah, given the lack of posting I'd say people have lost their sanity already.
Though, let's look at the situation as it stands:
Hapahauli (Possible Scum) - 2 Votes
Eywa- () - 2 Votes (one of which is impossible to change)
Jie Xian - 1 vote (Not really Scummy, not likely to get majority vote)
Kush - 0 votes (Possible Scum, mostly overlooked)
MrV - 1 vote (Not Scum)
Mr.Cheesecake - 0 votes (Scum)
DoYouHas - 0 votes (Not Scum)
Drakaz - 0 votes (Possible Scum)
Djodref - 0 (Possible Scum)
I think DoYouHas has taken a far too impersonal approach to the game so far... He hasn't really seemed to care what has gone on and generally has just sponged off other people, really doesn't make sense to call him mafia. Also, when attacked he hasn't fled
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Point taken, however, you must keep in mind that doyouhas will have no power to persuade anyone, so assume he is mafia, we're better off lynching his allies.
I finally convince him to vote one of the "lurkers." He initially wants to lynch Kush and Djo, but he eventually slides on DYH:
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On December 18 2012 12:29 Eywa- wrote:
#unvote
It's very possible that the scum in the town are all the quiet guys, while I was leaning away from DoYouHas, I wouldn't mind siding against him in the end, however not as a first lynch.
I'd go for Kush or Djodref.
#unvote
It's very possible that the scum in the town are all the quiet guys, while I was leaning away from DoYouHas, I wouldn't mind siding against him in the end, however not as a first lynch.
I'd go for Kush or Djodref.
On December 18 2012 12:34 Eywa- wrote:
Sounds fine by me, Kush and Djoref should post why they should be kept before the day ends.
#vote DYH
Sounds fine by me, Kush and Djoref should post why they should be kept before the day ends.
#vote DYH
Where things start to get strange is his unvote of DYH, where he offers some strange analysis, then magically "sees no scum" in DYH for absolutely no reasoning.
On December 18 2012 23:35 Eywa- wrote:
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For a moment I thought that DoYouHas didn't look scummy at all... But then I was trying to put together the pieces on his obsession with MrZentor and I found that... Why would anyone push for that lynch? To prove innocent. In the scenario where DoYouHas would be scum, MrZentor is as well given that they've kind of been on with their little side show for quite some time. I mean there's no reasonable explanation as to why DoYouHas just went after MrZentor other than MrZentor is a guaranteed non-lynch. By this, he throws out a vote while not bothering the disputing players (me and hapahauli + CC). MrZentor then throws his vote at DoYouHas knowing that before the day is over, there will be enough proof going for DoYouHas to disprove him being a mafia member. Now this is highly advanced play, so I kind of doubt it's the reality.
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For a moment I thought that DoYouHas didn't look scummy at all... But then I was trying to put together the pieces on his obsession with MrZentor and I found that... Why would anyone push for that lynch? To prove innocent. In the scenario where DoYouHas would be scum, MrZentor is as well given that they've kind of been on with their little side show for quite some time. I mean there's no reasonable explanation as to why DoYouHas just went after MrZentor other than MrZentor is a guaranteed non-lynch. By this, he throws out a vote while not bothering the disputing players (me and hapahauli + CC). MrZentor then throws his vote at DoYouHas knowing that before the day is over, there will be enough proof going for DoYouHas to disprove him being a mafia member. Now this is highly advanced play, so I kind of doubt it's the reality.
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On December 19 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote:
#unvote
Hapahauli, I see no scum on DoYouHas right now... I'm not sure (of course, I can't be sure... But I think I have a good idea of what's going on).
Would you be willing to vote either CC or Djodref today?
#unvote
Hapahauli, I see no scum on DoYouHas right now... I'm not sure (of course, I can't be sure... But I think I have a good idea of what's going on).
Would you be willing to vote either CC or Djodref today?
Then, Eywa moves into hard-defending DYH, and pushing the Mr. CC lynch. He does this for zero valid reasoning.
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On December 20 2012 02:41 Eywa- wrote:
Your entire investigation of DYH is reliant on him being a very strong and confident mafia member, which he doesn't seem to be... Mafia members find it hard to push targets unless they're the second to the story or it's an easy target... Your case was neither. Mr.CC is just that guy with no backbone who follows and tries to not be seen. Considering that added up with his countless mistakes, he's an obvious pick for the lynch.
Your entire investigation of DYH is reliant on him being a very strong and confident mafia member, which he doesn't seem to be... Mafia members find it hard to push targets unless they're the second to the story or it's an easy target... Your case was neither. Mr.CC is just that guy with no backbone who follows and tries to not be seen. Considering that added up with his countless mistakes, he's an obvious pick for the lynch.
On December 20 2012 03:19 Eywa- wrote:
If you're putting DYH up as scum, that means you're also putting up drazak and Kush, it's the only possible combo of 3 I can see working out... Which I would have to deem unlikely.
If you're putting DYH up as scum, that means you're also putting up drazak and Kush, it's the only possible combo of 3 I can see working out... Which I would have to deem unlikely.
3) Mr. CC Lynch
For most of D2, Eywa leads a bandwagon on Mr. Cheesecake. He's apparently convinced Mr. CC is scum and will not compromise:
On December 20 2012 02:34 Eywa- wrote:
Mr.Cheesecake is my lynch, I will not compromise.
Mr.Cheesecake is my lynch, I will not compromise.
Page 11 of Eywa's filter should show just how convinced he is that Mr.CC is scum:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816&user=93681¤tpage=11
But right after DYH posts his case on MrZ...
On December 20 2012 04:40 Eywa- wrote:
#unvote
#vote MrZentor
#unvote
#vote MrZentor
This makes zero sense. Eywa provides zero analysis on MrZ and votes him. This makes even less sense considering that when I was pushing MrZ the night before, Eywa was defending MrZ. Hell Eywa's top town read in the game was MrZ only one hour before!
On December 20 2012 03:30 Eywa- wrote:
My witchcraft vote today went out on MrZentor and nobody.
My witchcraft vote today went out on MrZentor and nobody.
So Eywa turned down voting the guy he was convinced was scum (Mr.CC) in favor of voting his top town read an hour prior for zero rationale. The only motivation I can attach to his actions is that he wanted someone dead - anyone but his scumbuddy DYH.
4) The "Scumslip"
This one is pretty simple. Eywa is convinced I'm a part of the scumteam has thought I'm scum all game.
On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys?
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys?
But then, somehow he knows that I was shot by a witch-hunter bullet.
Now alone, the second post is reasonable. After all, I'm the only other obvious witchcraft candidate after Day 1. However, the possibility of me getting shot should not even cross Eywa's mind if he actually thinks I'm scum. After all, scum can't be shot.
I have made every attempt to rationalize this from a town perspective. I cannot. I have made every attempt to get Eywa to answer for this. He's only provided us with a non-answer:
On December 21 2012 10:41 Eywa- wrote:
There are still 2 scum which means, the names above aren't cleared by any means... Why else would they not have used it on Kush if they knew he was blue?
There are still 2 scum which means, the names above aren't cleared by any means... Why else would they not have used it on Kush if they knew he was blue?
In conclusion, Eywa's actions show far too much mafia-motivation for us not to lynch him.
Maybe I could excuse one or two of the things above. However there's just too much of his behavior that lines up with a mafia mindset for me not to lynch him.
