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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 14:54 GMT
#1666
No, on the contrary. Every hand is needed to tighten the rope properly.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 15:18 GMT
#1674
And what do you think of BL posting semi-cases against EVERYONE (jay, thrawn, WBG, debears) in this post

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 10 2012 21:37 Bluelightz wrote:
Alright, from reading the thread here's some rapid fire scum reads and suspicions - as well as answers after I play some games after posting this.




Firstly, thrawn. What I find suspicious about him is that first, he only answers questions when pressured, this is an example of trying not to give information to town and because he has a bunch of one-liners in his filter. Also, shall we take a look at his vote? Oh, it's on WBG, why is it on WBG??? He says that WBG has rubbed him the scummiest out of all the responses, but I think his vote is justified, and thrawn's point is not. Because WBG says because his vote (at the time on thrawn) is because of LALiars, which is possibly true because we don't know thrawn's alignment and his intentions in doing that (although thrawn has explained why he claimed Miller, but in his explanation "It first was mostly a joke but it was also intended to jumpstart discussion", wait what? He's trying to shed a good light to his mostly bad action)




Second, jaybrundage:

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On December 10 2012 10:32 jaybrundage wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
All the people in the past, present, and future who ask why I lied about being miller..... can go and read this post. If they don't like it then they can just continue reading it because that's all I've got to say about it.

You tried to brush off bears vote. And then when the whole thread is asking you to explain you dont give an answer. Ok heres my thought of process. IF you dont wanna get lynched today your gonna have to try harder then that. If your a town player then your gonna have to put some effort in your defense because as it is I could totally see my self lynching you.

I dont wanna start an early easy bandwagon. But your making a pretty good case for your self why your scum.


It has been said by clarity already but how I think it is, it's a attempt to avoid pressure, also the sentence after: Does he give a bloody explanation on why thrawn is making a good case why he's scum? nope (so where's the info we can discuss bro?).

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On December 10 2012 10:37 jaybrundage wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly.



Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion?

If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing.


That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers.

Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective


Piggybacking other people's opinion and not giving one's own: Not giving information to the discussion. Also, lastly, I don't understand why he keeps pressuring thrawn for a response, is thrawn's response so pivotal to him?

This along with clarity's case, I will vote jaybrundage.

##vote: jaybrundage




So on my simple one post suspicions:

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On December 10 2012 12:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
alrighty.

I've concluded from the current events that there's an 80% preliminary chance that Palmar is scum.

Therefore I'm voting him, at least until he comes back and proves me otherwise.

##unvote
##vote Palmar


Why, everyone knows that chances suck balls in mafia correct? This is as same as lying to be frank (does he know more than we do? Does he know more shit so he can base his 80% chance that Palmar is scum? Is this just an attempt to get a good town player d34d through the lynch?)

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On December 10 2012 14:11 debears wrote:
Clarity in particular I like this part

That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers.

Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective


He says:
1) There's no town mindset in saying it
2) There's a lot of scum mindset

Yet, he keeps warning thrawn he'll get lynch if he keeps it up. And the wishy-washiness despite having said the above


"Hey he found it but I'll explain this thing he found!" Doesn't bother to read jaybrundage's filter, but simply describes what jay said in his post.




Okay game time. Gonna drop my vote off in the voting thread



[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Then here he starts the bussing process by suspecting Adam for pushing thrawn heavily, when in his previous post the first guy he suspected was thrawn himself lol.

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On December 11 2012 22:42 Bluelightz wrote:
Vivax, do you understand the difference between the both? dabears post is only a simple thing of pointing out/answering a question, however Adam has pushed thrawn heavily. See the difference?

Also, dabear if you could explain/join this talk it would be nice.


Then this stuff:

On December 12 2012 01:43 Bluelightz wrote:
Aight. From the thread, I'm gonna vote

##Vote: Adam4167

Because of Palmar's case and my own reasons. I believe this is the most helpful vote I can put in before I sleep as I have school so can't be here @ the deadline.


On December 12 2012 20:40 Bluelightz wrote:
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On December 12 2012 20:39 Palmar wrote:
Hey bluelightz, you down for killing bugs tomorrow?


I'm fine if there's a consensus on bugs.


Yeaaah, I'm fine if there's a consensus on this guy I never gave a fuck about since my first post.He's town so who cares.

Dunno why I'm even quoting this, one just has to look at his filter. It screams scum.
There was a good reason people wanted to vote him before Adam.

Also, if you noticed, Djo wanted to direct the bandwagon either to jay or to Tunkeg, not BL tho. So if BL flips scum, we can easily revisit the Djo case.


Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 15:28 GMT
#1680
Wtf is up with you marv, can you find me one thing that could even suggest that BL is town?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 15:35 GMT
#1688
I'm leaving my vote carved on BL, even grush's being more productive than that guy.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 15:37 GMT
#1691
I'm saying the same thing others said aswell: That dabears case was bad, even if it hit.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 15:40 GMT
#1696
I'm not doing jackshit. If you don't have a townread on me, you clearly need to l2p.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 15:45 GMT
#1700
In NL, they teach you the grammar of insults.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 15:54 GMT
#1703
On December 11 2012 22:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On December 11 2012 21:21 Palmar wrote:
Out of curiosity, if you had to guess right now, what would your guess be?


not like it really matters, but probably:

Tunkeg
Adam
Munk-E
one of ZB/VE/you/BL

I feel very strongly that among the first 3 there are at least 2 scum. I don't think I am wrong about more than one of them, because Tunkeg + Adam in particular don't play like this as town from what I know.

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On December 11 2012 22:09 marvellosity wrote:
And also, hi bugs.

How are you 'almost certain' Djo isn't scum?


I don't think mafia would so openly confront someone over a play like Djo did. His tone and willingness to question and probe is really towny to me. Ex:

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On December 10 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:37 jaybrundage wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly.



Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion?

If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing.


That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers.

Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective


I disagree with you, I see more town motivation than mafia motivation for fakeclaiming like that. But I would really like thrawn to explain his motivation by himself at first.



He wants to find out thrawn's motivations so he votes him despite thinking that thrawn's actions were townish. I don't see many scum who are willing to put so much attention on themselves in this manner. Think about it: it opens Djo up to the "you're voting someone you have a townread on?" attack, and it's completely obvious. I'm certain scum would at the very least word their posts more carefully or not actually confront the player in such a manner at all.

Secondly, when he pushes jay as a lynch, he ACTUALLY pushes it. I don't see scum doing that either. They often don't actively try to convince people to join them in killing someone. Sure, he might be good as scum, but we then have to ask why he would be so concerned with my vote and where it's going. Things like this:

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On December 10 2012 16:28 Djodref wrote:
@ WBG

If I take your word for jay and assume that you are not scum yourself, I'd say that I don't have huge concerns about anyone at the beginning of this game. Why did you single out Palmar among all the people who didn't participate yet ?
What about Bluelight, Z-Bo, Munk-E, Vivax and Tunkeg ? All of them scum by elimination ?


Indicate that Djo is reading the thread and at the very least concerned about people giving half-assed reasons to vote people. I didn't really have a great reason to vote Palmar and he called me out on it. Pretty townie reaction IMO.

He also doesn't let bullshit fly:

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On December 11 2012 12:47 Djodref wrote:
On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
*snip*
I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or?



@ Tunkeg

You can find all my previous games on these forums in my profile.
I don't like the way you are saying I'm fluffy and scummy, without really backing it up with a case or at least some quotes. You are just discrediting me for free here.


If you think Djo is scum, then you have to assume he is very very good at hiding his intentions. I just don't see scum acting the way he has acted so far.

He's also far too active IMO to be a day 1 lynch consideration.


Good post by WBG regarding djo aswell, and the scum options are quite close to where we are now.

Anyway, if you want to prove I'm lying, then go fucking find it for yourself. I've got better stuff to do than to prove I'm innocent to idiots.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 16:14 GMT
#1718
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 13 2012 22:57 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 22:49 Palmar wrote:
Also I just really want Tunkeg to be town so I can at least claim bugs was wrong on day 1 as an excuse for me wanting to lynch him when he was town. It just looks a whole lot better if I didn't get bugs killed for trying to lynch some other scum than the one I wanted to lynch.

I want to be able to pull off "Well if you wanted me to think you're town, maybe you shouldn't have tried to lynch townies to save scum".


Don't worry, I am town. You can have a go at WBG post-game all you want, he played like utter shit this game.

Also there got to be a scum in either Jaybrundage or Bluelightz (or both). I don't think adam would post his "reads" without least including some of his scumbuddies as scum.


Hey Tunkeg, what about these two you mentioned?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 16:15 GMT
#1721
I'd expect you to be a bit more enthusiastic considering I've been pushing exactly these two all the time.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 16:22 GMT
#1725
Palmar just doesn't remember my defense of our JK against Palmars shit-tier spamming post before he got shot by our supersmart vigi.

NOW THAT'S something scum would do. Defend a townie when everyone's shitting on him.Blending in like from the handbook.

Instead he prefers to assume that only scum would defend other scum day1, the day where every townie knows exactly where to find the first successful lynch by sheeping his majesty of Eyjafjallajökullfuckyou.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 16:33 GMT
#1729
I'll lynch VE, BL or jay.

Btw Palmar, I secretly love you.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 16:34 GMT
#1730
So get your vote on one of these if you want mine.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 17:57 GMT
#1756
On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
So I have skimmed through the thread. And these are my thoughts:

Thrawn's "claim" is a joke claim. He did it in the very beginning, and quickly and without concern went back on it. I didn't like his response when called out on it. But when he in the end explained why he did as he did, it was an ok (no more, no less) explanation.

-cut-
I don't think the millar "claim" is anything worth spending much time analysing, but I would say that I find it more likely that a townie would do this.


On December 11 2012 06:29 Tunkeg wrote:
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On December 11 2012 06:07 Vivax wrote:
He's trying to justify every move he makes and being pretty careful in general.
Holy shit, he even digs through his own meta to justify his "Ohmahgawdidontwannabandwagon".

Meanwhile, he does exactly that, he catches up some sentiment in town and rides it when he feels it's strong enough.
Check the filter. Until his "hit the bed" post, upon which he voted for me, he never updated his stance on thrawn, he never got the response he's been expecting from him.
In theory, jay should have commented on my posts about thrawn, if not even supported them.

But when he has to defend himself, he posts all sorts of shit. When he has to vote for someone, he never does it on his own initiative. Additionally, he tries to moderate other people.

Another thing by jay in his last post:
Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke


Same shit as with Tunkeg. He says that thrawn himself said it was a joke. Bullshit. Find the line where he says that. They both didn't even read. But unlike Tunkeg, Jay felt that thrawn was a liar and scum, and voted for him when others did.



I never said that Thrawn himself said it was a joke. I said it was a joke, meaning I think it was a joke. So try finding the lines yourself before you ask others to do the same...



On December 10 2012 14:53 thrawn2112 wrote:At first it was mainly a joke, but it was also intended to jump start discussion. + Show Spoiler +
wow big surprise there right?
Then people started taking it more seriously than I thought they would so I decided to be dickish about it in order to ignite further discussion. I actually don't mind being a potential mislynch, I think I'm better at discerning scum when they are trying to lynch me. I don't mind a bit of pressure during early D1 if it allows me to make better reads. Also.... anything is better than talking about lurker policy ffs


I missed that post by thrawn, so I started spewing bullshit about it, thinking he never wrote such a t hing.
However Tunkeg realized he explained the whys of his actions, but when called out by me (by mistake) he reacts neglecting that Thrawn said it himself.

Dunno if lying or sloppy though.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 17:59 GMT
#1757
Tunkeg are you scum or are we all just stupid?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 18:11 GMT
#1761
You know, despite some weird theories he pulled out like the double stack on Palmar, he thought basically the same I do about BL, jay and VE.

Marv used his entrance post and his NK-related reasoning as arguments.

Clarity used...well, while sheeping others he used this:

On December 15 2012 00:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I mean.... yeah every post Tunkeg makes has been "scummy" but a lot of his posts scream "newbie" as well.
Does anyone know if he's played much before this? Going through his profile real quick it's 3-4 games but they're fairly old.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 18:14 GMT
#1763
So, essentially I'm wondering if I should vote for him. It makes me sad though that noone's in for BL.

If you get people like BL, grush and jay to endgame it becomes a damn casino.

But I see clarity is preparing for a shitstorm against me, probably he's out of cheese or something.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 18:16 GMT
#1765
Feels good to be only the second most bm player in here.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 18:25 GMT
#1770
I'm talking about Tunkeg obviously.

Lynch time is getting close, and this isn't gonna be an easy one.
I've previously stated for what reasons I thought he's town. Then I saw this mistake, or lie or whatever when going through his first posts.
I've thrown it out like that cause I need feedback, feedback about the weight of such a thing in spite of players like BL or jay, who either
1. don't do anything I find useful or townie or
2. post stuff that looks so bad that it looks like a too easy lynch for others to actually care about it.

Makes me think of the game where I chose the guy looking slightly scummy instead of the guy trolling the shit out of us (grush) and turned out wrong.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 14 2012 18:43 GMT
#1774
Let's say I'm not not gonna vote for him if we need a majority, but I do so without being sure.

Neither do I read this exchange as strictly scummy. Marv persuaded Palmar, other than that a Tunkeg lynch isn't certain yet, so I don't see why he would throw the game away already.
Maybe he's just town and mentally masturbating to the prospect of seeing marv and Palmar turn out wrong on him.

Consider him a null read I'll vote for if necessary.For now I keep it where it is.
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