EPTWhy did you vote VE, if you said your main suspects were jay, Djodref and Hapahauli?
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Why did you vote VE, if you said your main suspects were jay, Djodref and Hapahauli? | ||
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On December 18 2012 22:29 Djodref wrote: Not to mention Jay's reaction to VE's claim. And the fact that jay is totally following Palmar on me but really not on VE. Wait, you also did the same thing. As soon as day three cracked, you followed palmar on VE but not really on BLuelightz. To whom your first reaction when prodded was "I can't believe I'm getting lynched over that guy" instead of "because I think he's scum" To whom you are not even contemplating right now. Oh Djoey, I'm still not liking you. A bit of WIFOM, but I'm getting the feeling that VE was gambling on living as Cop and automatically making you look green as well. That's something he'd totally do. From a townie perspective, why would you make a case on bluelightz right after you made yours on VE? I still can't understand this. | ||
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On December 19 2012 00:29 marvellosity wrote: Mostly because my reads were kinda in flux the relationships between jay/djo/hapa seemed to make sense when I'd done some rooting around (hapa defending djo, jay fail-pushing djo, etc), so I thought I'd see what people thought about it (hence the lack of a vote at the time). Hapa persuaded me to unvote him on time issues, and I was losing confidence in a Djo lynch That left VE who still wasn't doing anything and really seemed the safest lynch of the lot after all. Which was right thankfully. I see. Do you agree with my meta read on Hapa? He hasn't OMGUSed like one single person this game and it's creeping me out. | ||
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Yea, totally not interested in thrawn at the moment. Regarding Hapa, remember it was OK to vote VE because Palmar said so. I'm really interested in jay right now. Post inc. | ||
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First of all, I don't agree with his WIFOM defense. He's on a team with VE, lord of WIFOMs, and if he acknowledges it would be the "dumbest" play as scum, then that's a play he would be willing to do. If we don't take WIFOM into consideration, the only thing that results is his actions - trying to stop a VE lynch, which is 100% mafia agenda. He was also quite quite convinced of his "logic" on how VE was town (which to me makes no fucking sense). Let's take a gander at this other topic, which I think is quite damning. Jay's stance on Djo In the beggining of the day, jay is mega-fucking-power convinced that Djo is scum. He cites Palmar on how he wanted Djo dead (whilst ignoring VE, but we'll get to that). Observe: On December 16 2012 08:06 jaybrundage wrote: I would be down for a djo lynch. On December 16 2012 14:17 jaybrundage wrote: I support a Djodref lynch. On December 16 2012 14:22 jaybrundage wrote: ##Vote Djodref On December 17 2012 11:19 jaybrundage wrote: Just to be clear i think it would b a mistake to lynch anyone but you;. Palmar wanted you dead for good reason. There's no mistaking it, he really does think Djo is scum (or so he makes it look like). Once VE starts getting a few votes in, he flips the switch. And decides to vote... ME! No reasoning at all. The only mention he has of me that's earlier than that is when he "pressure voted" me on my joke-slip. On December 15 2012 09:30 jaybrundage wrote: Nope nope nope. My reason last time was to stop a no lynch. We didn't have enough to lynch adam until i stepped in. Also if tunkeg is scum like adam was scum. Why wouldn't I want to keep the lynch on him. Im just following what town wants to do. (If town is indeed the reason we reached this majority) Back to catching up. Oh and if anyone is curious. On my Z-Boson Vote yesterday. It was just a pressure vote. So he initially disagrees that I'm a scumread. He didn't push me, didn't mention me, so I'm cool with him right? So now he for some reason, decided that he would try to sway the vote onto ME, of all people. Why me? Why not Djo, why not Vivax, why not someone else he's been suspicious of this game? On December 18 2012 09:23 jaybrundage wrote: Hmm I dont think VE is scum. In fact i would say that im pretty dam postive VE isnt scum. Seeing how easily this lynch is going. And considering that my vote isnt on VE and they already hit 7. This isnt a bus. This is a Mislynch. Switch to Zboson plz. ##Unvote ##Vote Z-Boson And his suspicions on Djo totally disappeared. He suddenly treats Djo as if he's townie: On December 18 2012 09:50 jaybrundage wrote: Djo are you here too. get off the lynch wagon we can do this On December 18 2012 09:47 jaybrundage wrote: Considering that he is actually considering this. I would say no. As scum would be against it. I could see a scum team being. Vivax, Z-Boson, And my favorite Marv. Anyone down for a Vivax or Zboson lynch But regardless if we dont consoldate i think we should get of VE And also this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=123#2456 Normally I'd agree with Hapa that he's setting himself up to attract too much attention to himself, but what makes the deal for him is how little sense he makes in his choices. A regular townie would likely have tried to sway onto someone he had actually thought suspicious at least one other time in the game. He also acknowledges that as scum he'd have to be really stupid to do that, so this means he's self-aware of this. He also would have been a team with VE, who would have told him to do that and would thus justify the biggest 180 I've ever seen. How "misunderstood" he is This is evidence that lines up with his actions. He keeps referring to himself as how he's misunderstood, at how easy it is for him to get mislynched. I view this as a setup for him to make the nonsensical decisions he has made this game as well. I'm lazy to quote them, but multiple times this game he's made it a point to say such a thing. His blatant misdirection on Palmar's post I decided to separate this from the original quote he cited from Palmar. I noted this earlier, but I'll emphasize it right now because I think it's important. Let's take a look at this interaction with me: + Show Spoiler + On December 17 2012 11:53 jaybrundage wrote: I feel more confident in my Djodref lynch. I think his diverting attemps day 1. Also the crazy resistance to his lynch day 2 are likely cause he is mafia. Also Palmar was having trouble reading VE. On December 17 2012 12:11 Z-BosoN wrote: Jay this is the part that needs to be bolded: I don't see that as "trouble reading VE". It looks to me like he read VE just fine and made a concessive remark in case VE flips town. I also corroborate on this with my above post using Liquid City as an example. On December 17 2012 12:20 jaybrundage wrote: Z-bo right after Palmar says that. He then goes on to speculate if VE could be town. He wasnt as confident in that read as he put out. Regardless its not just Palmar's reasoning that I want to lynch Djodref. Hes been scummy for a while. He took one part of the post that Palmar made to support his wanting to go after Djo, but let us remember that Palmar also specifically said that VE was perhaps a better lynch due to how "certain" it was that he was scum. Why did jay simply ignore this? Why didn't jay bother discussing on VE at all? How in the goddamn hell does he feel VE is a mislynch when a confirmed Palmar said he specifically wanted Jay dead? If Jay really thought him to be town, why didn't he defend VE earlier when town was still indecisive? This even more supports the idea that Jay was asked to do this in the scum QT or something like that. I'm gonna be real clear and specific here, because I think we just hit the spot. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but prior to this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=117#2333 On December 18 2012 09:23 jaybrundage wrote: Hmm I dont think VE is scum. In fact i would say that im pretty dam postive VE isnt scum. Seeing how easily this lynch is going. And considering that my vote isnt on VE and they already hit 7. This isnt a bus. This is a Mislynch. Switch to Zboson plz. ##Unvote ##Vote Z-Boson Jay hadn't mentioned or talked to VE at all. Jay hadn't mentioned me as a scum read at all. This post instantly and out of nowhere introduces two things that were never discussed nor made clear in jay's filter. tl;dr Everything points towards him purposefully drawing attention to himself (his self-awareness, his remarks on how mislynchable he is, his sudden and abrupt turnaround on TWO aspects of his game). His play makes no sense a billion times over from townie perspective (Djo thing is just... wtf). WIFOM aside, he's pushing a mafia agenda. Jay is scum. Discuss. | ||
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Carry on | ||
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Waiting on you to explain my concerns in the case I made. | ||
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Same way he voted Adam when he had 7 votes. Only on Adam, since he really couldn't add anything (or got lazy), he just went and voted without a case. Of course, I'm not judging you by VE. I'm judging you by your play, and how zero sense it makes coming from a townie. | ||
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Regarding you attacking me soon after thrawn made the case, you're right, you just kinda agreed how I was disengaged and that's about it. However, though I still suck big time in making meta reads, your play feels totally weak and passive towards what I'm used to. Maybe not necessarily as scummy as I was making it, but still, could be you being lazy scum, and it certainly isn't helpful. I'll check you out tomorrow. Meanwhile, can you give some thoughts on Jay/Djo? Do you still have your townread on Djo, considering the BLuelightz thing I highlighted and how he seems to focus on non-alignment-indicative stuff (mainly discussing whether or not I believe in using advice from the dead)? Also, what do you make of BL/grush who have gone into overdrive lurking mode? | ||
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Yes, that is why I said "you're right". I wasn't as engaged as I was in liquid city/LVII, but I was definitely more engaged than with mario I think. Pages of filter is different from overall presence though. Your play is marked by you trying to take control and make people follow you, which is totally not going on. Sure you don't do that as either town nor scum, but it fits scum play much better. Anyways, if you are town I think one of BL/grush could be scum as well. Which is a coinflip, cause I seriously cannot read them. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=75#1499 ANYWAYS VE is playing super illogical, but he seems like an honest townie Since he never gives his reasoning on anything, it's difficult to tell, but out of nowhere he includes Djo and me+VE as scumteam. (at a time when VE already had some pressure, after the Palmar post): On December 16 2012 13:00 grush57 wrote: I don't know why they would shoot Clarity... So by Palmar's and marv's reads I'm going to put Bluelightz off the lynch list. GET DJORDEF. Z-Boson and VE other scum? if theres 4?? So yea, in both that instance and on the instance he 6th-voted Adam, they already had a bunch of suspicion on them. | ||
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I'm having a busy day. Gonna be checking in sometime tonight | ||
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On December 19 2012 15:11 jaybrundage wrote: Hm i wanna say Z-boson from my gut read. But its nothing else besides that. gut reads gut reads. Can't you show me why you think I'm scum? Is this too much? Eagerly awaiting tomorrow. | ||
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On December 20 2012 02:58 Vivax wrote: I'm counting on Djo, thrawn, jay and grush to support me in a Hapa lynch. If you guys I just mentioned have any doubts, feel free to express them. We need some discussion, not blind jay votes. Hapa didn't even vote for him yet after writing he did. That shows how much he cares about that lynch. It's so obvious he's scum I'm having ball cramps. Why do you think Jay is not scum? Is it because of the whole VE making a case on him day 1 thing? Haven't you read what I said regarding that? | ||
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On December 20 2012 05:26 grush57 wrote: It's definitely in the three of Z-Bo Jay and Hapa. I'm fine with all, but I'm more sure of a Jay and Hapa scumteam. Why do you think BL is town? | ||
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On December 20 2012 10:41 Djodref wrote: And also because of the fact that Vivax is quite disruptive... I mean, I have a town read on Vivax right now, but there is still a slight possibility for him to be scum... Same with Z-Bo, he has been pretty townie this game, but his play is a little too 'clean', and he does fly under the radar. But this also speaks again a town Hapa. In Hapa shoes, I would be much more paranoid than he is. Hapa is basically saying that we have to lynch BL and that's going to be GG... Can you elaborate why you think my play has been "too clean"? | ||
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On December 20 2012 12:24 jaybrundage wrote: Ok lets try to work thru the logic of a twisted mind. Ok 10 people were in the game at the time. We had 7 people on VE when i came in the thread. If marv is right about there being 4 mafia then that means that one of the mafia was on VE as i as town was not. Remember i wasn't around for much of the VE lynch as i was working. So as last time i wasnt here and we mislynched tunkeg. I thought a similar thing would happen and that scum would drive the lynch if town didnt have my input (egotistical much). Also i wanted to lynch Djo. I wasnt as sure with VE. I then made the bad leap of logic that if one mafia was on VE that VE must be town or mafia wouldnt of voted for him. Not knowing that town made a good push for this lynch and it wasnt scum driven. So i assumed VE was town as well meaning two mafia were on the lynch and I had this conviction that VE was town. Any questions? Why are you assuming mafia don't bus? Newsflash, VE was bussed. | ||
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Also tell me, If jay for some (miraculous) reason flips town, who would you say is scum? | ||
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##Vote jaybundrage | ||
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