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On December 12 2012 12:21 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 11:47 Djodref wrote:On December 12 2012 11:41 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 12 2012 11:40 Djodref wrote:On December 12 2012 11:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 12 2012 11:32 Djodref wrote:On December 12 2012 10:51 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 12 2012 10:47 Djodref wrote:
I'm bad... but are you scum? so now it seems natural that among thrawn, boson, and djodref, each of them should be expecting to find at least 1 scum between the other two..... unless any of them think that all the scum were bussing adam, which thrawn doesn't No, I'm not scum. Are you high ? Why do you speak of yourself as a third person ? I'm still leaning town on you. It's natural for townies to feel unsecure about the lynch target (they don't know for sure that it is the right target or not). I would lean town on Z-Bo for the moment, but I would need to revise this read is he spends all his time tunneling me. this is a very passive-aggressive way of trying to get someone to stop attacking you. hmm. Z-Bo has spent the majority of his time tunneling me. I know I'm town so I would find it scummy if he keeps focusing only on me. I have no problem discussing with him to prove him that he is wrong though ^^ "I know I'm town so I would find it scummy" as in "if I was town I would find it scummy? I would find it scummy if he keeps focusing only on me. Because I know I'm town. I don't think there is any ambiguity. Otherwise, L2 French Grammar  "I would find it scummy" coming from a town player only makes sense when talking about a hypothetical scenario. But this isn't a hypothetical scenario. The only way it can be a hypothetical scenario is if you are hypothetically town, which of course means that you'd actually be scum. Telling me what actions boson needs to take in a hypothetical scenario in order for you to get a town read on him doesn't make any sense.
The hypothetical scenario is the scenario where Z-Bo is chasing only me for the next days. In this hypothetical scenario, I would need to revise my current town read on him.
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@ Jay
1. I sheeped Clarity and Clarity's case was worth sheeping. But you are twisting the facts when you say that I've sheeped for voting Tunkeg. I provided my own case for Tunkeg before voting him. Also I have done more than you in this game so don't be an hypocrite.
2. I have stated multiple times than I didn't feel like Adam was the best lynch. So I've tried to promote my top scumread lynches over Adam lynch. The majority was reached for Adam's lynch without my help so I didn't need to cast my vote against him.
3. My actions before the lynch are more relevant of a town Djodref not knowing if Adam was going to flip scum or not than of a scum Djodref that would have known that Adam was going to flip scum (it was quite clear he was today's lynch after my first attempt to lead a counter bandwagon on you). It would have been easier and safer for scum me to bus Adam because I had given me this escape route before when I said that I didn't mind an Adam lynch. Ok, this is WIFOM, but you should know that my behavior before the lynch points towards a town Djodref and not a scum Djodref.
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EBWOP: I was serious regarding a grush lynch. This guy is just a liability.
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Vivax
A tentative associative case with Adam
First of all, I think that Z-Bo did a great job to show that Vivax vote on Adam looks like a bus vote. Here is Z-Bo previous case on Vivax for reference+ Show Spoiler [Z-Bo's case] +Vivax. Let us take a gander. His mindset was 100% not inclined towards killing Adam. I mean, look at some of his posts: States clear disinterest in lynching Adam: On December 12 2012 01:51 Vivax wrote:
ffs I don't wanna get Adam lynched.
Let's get jay cmon, just cause he's out of attention doesn't mean he didn't act scumm.y Shows some soft-suspicion towards Tunkeg: On December 12 2012 02:37 Vivax wrote:
Wtf Tunkeg, can't you share your reads some earlier instead of going martyr-mode at this time. Then he includes Adam, but as a last option: On December 12 2012 06:23 Vivax wrote:
Either Bluelightz, Jay or Tunk.
The initial case against Adam was pretty bad, but his latest activity isn't exactly townie, since he's not been doing anything useful nor defending himself much. He's the last option for me.
Then suddenly, WAM BAM KAPLOW. Soft-suspicion on tunkeg yet again (???) and VOTE ADAMOn December 12 2012 06:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 06:29 Tunkeg wrote:
Don't worry I am not pissed at anyone, I just don't mind getting lynched all that much. I have given you my reads, and me as flipped town gives strenght to my arguements. Dude, that's a really bad attitude. You have 1000 ways to strengthen your arguments other than to accept a mislynch just like that. And even if everybody follows your arguments after that, which is as unlikely as it was before, you still might be super wrong about them, so it also shows you are pretty cocky about your opinion. (Or maybe you're scum who has succeeded in fooling us all) Anyway, 6 votes on Adam so far, count me in for the last 3. I like what grush had to say in this one. Inbefore OMG HE'S BANDWAGONING.
##Unvote
##Vote Adam Why the soft-suspicion on tunkeg? Why the change of heart? Let's see what happens between the last two posts I quoted. There is just this post from grush: On December 12 2012 06:25 grush57 wrote:
That's pretty reasonable. I'm a bit cautious of Bluelightz because he is a vet. Jay strikes me as a foolish townie and Tunk is probably a noobie. I want to vote Adam because he is reminding me of his scum play. And the post that he quoted from tunkeg, where he added some soft-suspicion yet again. There was no reason to change his mind from a townie perspective, especially with four hours left on the clock. Plenty of time to push his "alternatives". I think he must have assumed that he wouldn't be able to save Adam and decided to bus him.
I'm more interested in Vivax first mention ever of Adam. In my opinion, the following post is damning.
On December 11 2012 21:24 Vivax wrote:I've read Adams filter.So basically, the case on him seems to be built on "the change of tone in his post". That post with changed tone dabears mentioned was written one day after the last ones, so it's likely that he's writing like that cause he's not heated up like the day before. That day, he finished into an OMGUS fight with dabears, where they basically both vote for each other cause they argue about having to vote for the people you lean scum on. And this is where the matter stinks. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=9#171This is dabeers post about Adam. OH SHIT HE'S SUSPICIOUS CAUSE HE'S NOT VOTING FOR THRAWN. Look at the post, look at the voting thread, look at the reactions. Adam voted before debears upon being accused by him of not voting thrawn, meanwhile, dabears accused Adam of something he himself did. Only clarity so far has expressed criticism of this case against Adam, now I will, too. 1.The case is shit 2.The case is shit 3.The case is shit Being this a shit case accepted by many people, I think there's scum trying to sheep in it.
First of all, Vivax states that "[He has] read Adam's filter". That's useless and pointless because he then proceed to hard defend Adam from the 'case' of debears, and explaining what was going around at that time. I'm quite sure that he didn't read Adam's filter and tried to defend his scum buddy straight away. Why ? Because if he really had read Adam's filter, he would have found the following post in it.
+ Show Spoiler [Adam attacking Vivax] +On December 11 2012 12:49 Adam4167 wrote:No good is going to come of getting into a shit-fight with dabears, so I wont. My initial read towards him was "leaning scum" when I questioned his 'case/not-case' that he made on me, but that was a long time ago. Since then he's put a lot of effort into his focus on me and while I know this is misguided, I also feel that it is coming from an honest place, hence why I am not screaming that he is intentionally taking all of my posts out of context, because I do not believe it to be the case. ##Unvote
The person I am interested in right now is Vivax. Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 02:59 Vivax wrote:
That VE defends thrawn with another argument than thrawn himself used.
What motivations would he have to defend him if he doesn't even grasp thrawns own point of view? He might aswell have not read his posts, not showing any interest in scumhunting with that trail available.
I might also remind you that VE has been present since 9:44, but only posts as answer to jay at around 10:23. He's shown lack of interest in the matter from start.
My conclusion?Maybe scummy, maybe sloppy.
You want me to go further than this?We've got enough time to vote. If I had to do it now it would be thrawn.
Fakeclaiming as joke is a pretty shitty move. This post here, you say that VE shows no interest in scumhunting, is actively lurking the thread and yet conclude "maybe scum, maybe sloppy". This is very wishy-washy and ultimately amounts to nothing. What was the point of pointing this out if you were not going to draw any conclusions from it either way? You accuse VE of scummy actions yet in the same post say that you would vote thrawn over it for his 'joke' claim. To me, this looks like acting like you're trying to scum hunt without actually doing anything. Then not long after you produce: Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 03:42 Vivax wrote:
After thinking about thrawns actions more thoroughly, there's another aspect that I think noone mentioned so far:
If he was a scum fakeclaiming, believing that millers are self-aware, he would take the risk of facing a counterclaim.
As others mentioned, he's drawn attention with that. But identifying scum with stereotypes isn't exactly the way. Why wouldn't scum be able to draw attention and get away with it?
He would have made following mistakes:
1. Overlooked the rule about self-awareness. Obvious.
2. Forgotten to consider another miller, under the premise that he really made mistake 1.
I don't believe it was a joke though, rather some sort of strategy. Maybe he would have brought these points up by himself at some point, betting on town not believing that he would do such mistakes. This post looks to be saying that thrawn has some agenda or strategy by fakeclaiming miller and that you no longer believe it was a joke. Ok, if he's playing with some form of strategy, do you believe it to be a scum one, you do not comment on his alignment either way with this post. It is mostly just a rehashing of what Clarity posted. Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 05:38 Vivax wrote:So I've been scratching my balls while reading the thread for the last 20 minutes, and when I saw jaybrundages posts, they started to hurt. ##Vote jaybrundageOn December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
Thrawn's "claim" is a joke claim. He did it in the very beginning, and quickly and without concern went back on it. I didn't like his response when called out on it. But when he in the end explained why he did as he did, it was an ok (no more, no less) explanation. So you are okay with this post? On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible To me it looks like you didn't study the matter enough. This explanation sucks hard. He's basically leaving the defense of himself to everybody else. He never said explicitly that he joked, he only said explicitly that he had intentions, fuck knows which. That being said, I suggest you go back and read the stuff before you make the same mistake I made with clarity. Then a vote on Jaybrundage comes seemingly out of nowhere once interest in him picks up in the thread. What happened to Thrawn? or VE? The reasoning for this vote does not appear until after someone presses you for it and the reasoning you provide is just a summary of his actions, and it does not illustrate why Jaybrundage is scum. Furthermore, for someone that said here that you just couldnt let thrawns claim go, you dropped it exceedingly quickly to pursue Jaybrundage. I find your lack of follow-up on VE or Thrawn shows you had no intent on trying to find out their alignment.
Just as a remark, please note the Adam didn't vote Vivax after this post.
Look at the time stamps, Adam had voiced his suspicion of Vivax before the post where Vivax states that "he has read Adam's filter".
Let's say that you are town. You found a 'case' against you in someone's filter. What do you do ?
Do you proceed to hard defend this guy first ?
Do you defend yourself first ? Don't you get suspicious of this guy who is attacking you ?
Town Vivax proceeds to hard defend the guy first. Town Vivax must have a super duper town read on Adam. Not buying it
Vivax reaction after "reading Adam's filter" doesn't show a townie mindset at all. He has been already called for it and look how he responded to it.
On December 11 2012 22:37 Vivax wrote:
I'm reading better than you think . I still think your case is full of shit. I see a lot of word-twisting in it.
And I don't care if Adam is voting for me as long as I believe him to be town. What kind of bad question is that.
Why are you thinking from a scum point of view?
*snip*
So, yeah, Vivax doesn't care if Adam attacked him before and is ready to defend him because he believes his town.
That raises the following questions:- How did Vivax get this town read on Adam ? He has never interacted with him and Adam was far from being a beacon of townieness.
- How did Vivax end up by voting Adam at the end of the day ?
I cannot answer these questions by anything else that Vivax was Adam's scumbuddy. Vivax is scum.
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On December 12 2012 14:55 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 14:39 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: I was serious regarding a grush lynch. This guy is just a liability. I actually have a read on him now, and it's town. What do you think about his actual filter, not his meta? I'm surprised that you would be talking about a grush policy lynch after a successful D1 lynch. A policy lynch is the last thing I have on my mind going into D2 after flipping a scum on D1. btw, I've concluded that grush is probably a smart troll. He's either smart for being right about adam or he's smart for doing the thing that makes me think he's town.
I was answering to jay (he mentions that I was proposing a grush lynch as a joke in his case). During D1, I was serious when I proposed a policy lynch on grush. I don't think it's a good idea now because we have better lynch choices.
Regarding grush, I'm null on him because he doesn't explain his though process at all. And he is a liability, regardless of his alignment.
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On December 12 2012 14:55 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 14:39 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: I was serious regarding a grush lynch. This guy is just a liability. He obviously isn't a liability considering he voted for a scum. So either he's 1) A scum bussing his partner 2) A townie that agrees with good logic Your pick. You can't call him a liability
You'll see if you ever get with him at LYLO or MYLO. Check the LVII game. Anyway, I was proposing a policy lynch on him yesterday and he is not my priority at all for tomorrow. So, let's not waste time on this one, if you don't mind.
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+ Show Spoiler [jay's post] +On December 12 2012 15:13 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 13:54 Z-BosoN wrote:
@jay
I'm tempted to agree with you, but in the first part there, where does Djo say that he wouldn't mind lynching Adam in the post you quoted? It might be that I'm sleepy, but I couldn't find it. He says it in the post under the text. Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 14:37 Djodref wrote:
@ Jay
1. I sheeped Clarity and Clarity's case was worth sheeping. But you are twisting the facts when you say that I've sheeped for voting Tunkeg. I provided my own case for Tunkeg before voting him. Also I have done more than you in this game so don't be an hypocrite.
2. I have stated multiple times than I didn't feel like Adam was the best lynch. So I've tried to promote my top scumread lynches over Adam lynch. The majority was reached for Adam's lynch without my help so I didn't need to cast my vote against him.
3. My actions before the lynch are more relevant of a town Djodref not knowing if Adam was going to flip scum or not than of a scum Djodref that would have known that Adam was going to flip scum (it was quite clear he was today's lynch after my first attempt to lead a counter bandwagon on you). It would have been easier and safer for scum me to bus Adam because I had given me this escape route before when I said that I didn't mind an Adam lynch. Ok, this is WIFOM, but you should know that my behavior before the lynch points towards a town Djodref and not a scum Djodref. The main point of my case is that you said you would help us lynch adam, and you failed to deliver.
Also your play isn't indicative of a townie who is not sure on adam. It seems to reak of a scum buddy desperately trying ot save adam. I wasnt sure on adam, but to prevent a no lynch i voted him.
@ jay
I said that I wouldn't mind an Adam lynch but that I would have preferred lynching Tunkeg or you. I didn't help to consolidate the lynch because the majority was reached without me. I was here at the deadline and I've even tried to vote Munk-E at the end but I couldn't do it properly because I was driving my car.
I've tried to lynch Tunkeg and you over Adam because you were my top scum reads. Honestly, you didn't do anything special to show that you were town after Clarity's case on you.
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On December 12 2012 15:26 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 15:21 Djodref wrote:
Regarding grush, I'm null on him because he doesn't explain his though process at all. And he is a liability, regardless of his alignment. If he's town he's not a liability based on what happened today.
Let's assume that he is town.
Today, he is not a liability, he is going to be one at LYLO if it ever happens.
Anyway, I was just answering jay's case against me. I don't think we should focus on grush for now.
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EBWOP: let's focus on vivax right now, any comment on my complementary association case ?
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My point is that he would not have defended him unless he would have had a strong townread on him.
Which is weird.
I agree that he didn't have to find him scummy but not go defending him like this.
My first reaction as town would have to defend myself or to find a scum.
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On December 12 2012 16:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
eh, my memories of people hard defending each other D1 are usually of scum hard defending a townie. I think that scum hard defending scum wouldn't be too likely
He did it when it was not sure yet that Adam would be lynched.
And he discedited people voting Adam. ”there is scum pn this wagon”
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On December 12 2012 18:01 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 17:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Also he pretty clearly doesn't assume your town, since he pressure-votes you later down the line. No, he thought I was town the whole time. His first read on me was: "My first reaction to thrawn post was "yeah, obvious scum" then I thought that he might not have been serious at all. A one liner for a miller claim doesn't look real, regardless of his alignment. The way he answered "nvm, then" shows that he is carefree about it." The other issue is him asking why I did it and pressure voting me to find out. He later says the town motivation he thought I had was that that I was hoping to attract pressure from scum. This was based on a post I made from looney. So if he thinks I'm trying to attract scum attention, why would he vote pressure me so that I'll announce it to the thread?
@ thrawn
I didn't know what the fuck you were trying to do at first when you said "not explaining why I did this at all".
At first, I was expecting you to simply admit that you wanted to spark discussing with this obvious fakeclaim but I didn't understand why you went into that "not explaining anything at all mode". I pressure voted you because I was still not so sure I had made the right choice at that time (i.e. town move or lying scum) and I wanted you to explain yourself for the following reasons:- If town, you would have better off stopping this ASAP imo, because people would have voted you for lying and being anti-town for not explaining yourself. Also, if you were baiting mafia, it was going to be far to obvious, so it didn't matter so much for you to "come clean".
- If scum, it would have been better to force you into posting more shit
Then, I thought about the comment you made in the Looney Game...
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On December 12 2012 18:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 16:07 Djodref wrote:On December 12 2012 16:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
eh, my memories of people hard defending each other D1 are usually of scum hard defending a townie. I think that scum hard defending scum wouldn't be too likely He did it when it was not sure yet that Adam would be lynched. And he discedited people voting Adam. ”there is scum pn this wagon” Hello Djodref: You are not required to post anything more at all in this thread. Everything you've said has been dumb, useless and I think you're either scum or bad. In both cases, please just shut up and only vote according to what I tell you.
@ Palmar
I won't shut up. Your read on me is wrong so I don't have to take your reads as the fucking Divine Word.
Unfortunately, I have to admit that you are most likely to be town, that your read on Adam was spot on and that you are certainly also right about WBG, given how he is falling apart right now...
But seriously, you don't need to be that condescending.
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On December 12 2012 21:35 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 21:34 Djodref wrote:On December 12 2012 18:01 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 12 2012 17:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Also he pretty clearly doesn't assume your town, since he pressure-votes you later down the line. No, he thought I was town the whole time. His first read on me was: "My first reaction to thrawn post was "yeah, obvious scum" then I thought that he might not have been serious at all. A one liner for a miller claim doesn't look real, regardless of his alignment. The way he answered "nvm, then" shows that he is carefree about it." The other issue is him asking why I did it and pressure voting me to find out. He later says the town motivation he thought I had was that that I was hoping to attract pressure from scum. This was based on a post I made from looney. So if he thinks I'm trying to attract scum attention, why would he vote pressure me so that I'll announce it to the thread? @ thrawnI didn't know what the fuck you were trying to do at first when you said "not explaining why I did this at all". At first, I was expecting you to simply admit that you wanted to spark discussing with this obvious fakeclaim but I didn't understand why you went into that "not explaining anything at all mode". I pressure voted you because I was still not so sure I had made the right choice at that time (i.e. town move or lying scum) and I wanted you to explain yourself for the following reasons: - If town, you would have better off stopping this ASAP imo, because people would have voted you for lying and being anti-town for not explaining yourself. Also, if you were baiting mafia, it was going to be far to obvious, so it didn't matter so much for you to "come clean".
- If scum, it would have been better to force you into posting more shit
Then, I thought about the comment you made in the Looney Game... Told you to stop posting.
I'm not going to stop posting. Suck it up
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@ Hapa
Can I ask more details about how you went from this
On December 12 2012 13:01 Hapahauli wrote:Regarding DjoI'm not sure if anyone's brought it up, but I watched Palmar's video and was really surprised he skipped over one of his posts in his analysis: Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 16:28 Djodref wrote:
@ WBG
If I take your word for jay and assume that you are not scum yourself, I'd say that I don't have huge concerns about anyone at the beginning of this game. Why did you single out Palmar among all the people who didn't participate yet ?
What about Bluelight, Z-Bo, Munk-E, Vivax and Tunkeg ? All of them scum by elimination ? The underlined bit is a very strange thing for a townie to say. Townies are a naturally suspicious folk, and a line of reasoning that assumes someone is not scum really goes against this mentality. Of course I'm not going to judge him on one post, but if there's anyone I could call a scum-read right now, it would be Djo.
to this ?
On December 12 2012 17:05 Hapahauli wrote:*snip* Djodref - This one probably needs some 'splainin. The shit that he pulled at the end of the Day 1 lynch in no sane way came from a scum player. He was really enthralled with this idea of starting a last-minute wagon on a player when it was clear that adam would be getting lynched. I can't see hypothetical scum Djo pulling stuff like this, since he would have known that Adam would flip red. The dynamics of the game suggest that Adam was bussed by scum in the later hours. Djodref's play is far too attention-whoring and suicidal to be from scum. In addition, there are posts like this... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=13#260...where he displays a really convoluted thought process that I attribute more to town than scum. *snip*
Also, I would like to know if you had ever read the Looney Lynching Mafia game ?
Don't you feel like you are maybe the only one with a town read on me ? What do you make of it ?
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Tunkeg
A good lynch candidate for today
So, what happened since this post+ Show Spoiler [Tunkeg's reads] +On December 12 2012 02:17 Tunkeg wrote:So I will probably lynched tonight and really I am not that bothered by it, because it will give you some good pointers on who you can trust this game, and who should be scrutinized. Palmar is basicly confirmed town for me at this point. If he was scum he could have easily pushed me with the rest of you. As he stopped reading before he got to me in his video. If he did in fact read his PM after that video, and had flipped scum I think he would be going with the flow, and going for me. If there is a JK in this game he should definately jail Palmar to protect him from harm. He is the town that scum will be gunning for, 100%. Adam is very likely scum at this point. I think he plays exellent as town, at least he have the games I have played with him, but is easily figured out when scum. This game he have been very vague, and unconfrontational and filled up his post with mostly nonsense. He have put out his feelers on multiple players to see if he can get something started. The kicker though is his less than convincing last post where he says I have a high chance of flipping scum. When adam says stuff like this I know he is either scum, or fed up with the game, he is to good to just put an unreasoned vote on me like that. I believe he is scum. Clarity_nl have to be town. His play so far have been very pro-town in my eyes. All that he have done so far are screaming town to me. He asks the right kind of questions, he calls people out when he thinks they are scummy, and he have even made a little case. If he isn't town I will muchachoes surprised. thrawn212 I have a townread on. Yes, he made a stupid joke play in the beginning. Yes he is totally missreading me, to such a degree that I find it laughable. But I think he is a stupid (in lack of a better word) townie, and not a scum player. I feel his intentions are good, but that he isn't really thinking things through. A tip for you thrawn, find some townplayer to sheep, that is pretty much the best you can do for town. wherebugsgo is probably scum this game. You should look into him after killing adam on day 2. A part from his 80%preliminary scumread on Palmar, which is so very useless, he have basicly done nothing but trying to get me lynched while leaving numerous backdoors open which he can slide away into if his push on me fails, Adam, Munk-E. Adam being a choice he is pretty much forced to have on his list, as he is very obviously scummy. And even though wherebugsgo does anything to win an arguement, he is missrepresenting facts and twisting words to such a degree that it is ridculous. My favorite thus far is: + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, I'm going to ignore Palmar since he somehow finds both myself and Jay scummier than Tunkeg. The fact that he thinks that makes his opinions irrelevant.
Marv-are you still willing to kill Tunkeg? Convince me why I should kill Adam over Tunkeg, and I'll consider switching my vote. Given that they're both even right now I see no reason to switch. Aye. Question for you - how do you generally evaluate the play of Adam/Tunkeg? (not in this game) generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive. Where he actually knows my scummeta without me ever having played scum on here. That is pretty impressive, and twisty, and made up, and bs... When someone goes after me like WBG have done in this game I usually ask myself: scummy or stupid? I think WBG's townplay is above avarage for sure, and I don't think he is as stupid as his posts in this game makes him out to be. So the conclusion is that he is scum. jaybrundage is scummy to me as I previously stated. He haven't posted much since, but I still find his posts very very fluffy and without content. He is unwilling to commit to any of his "reads" and he contradicts himself within the same posts, like: + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2012 12:27 jaybrundage wrote:
I swear to god if thrawn doesnt explain him self. Hes the most anti town player i have seen in a while. Frustrating really. I am only hesitant to vote him because i dont like early bandwagons in general.
It hurts the conversation and shit to read if we all are voting the same person. Regardless of how unlogical his claims maybe (for town). Thrawn can you please drop your sharade and just attempt to explain your reasoning. Or as i said before your gonna get lynched I am leaning scum on, for all the same reasons as before. He have made his fair share of posts, but all I see in them is .................. ....................... ........................... (nothingness). He also made a case on me that is less than weak. Vivax I am back to a neutral stance on. I am not sure wheather his questions have been made to look active, or if he is just lazy, stupid and reads bad enough to not see that his questions have allready been answered previously. Also a player that if town, should find a good townie to just sheep. The rest is pretty much under the radar for me. But I would be watching VE when he pops up again, he is quite easy to read when he starts posting. ##Vote AdamPS: I'll stick around for awhile, playing some Dota, and I might pop in and answer you if I feel the need to do so. If I don't it is either because your question is stupid, I find you stupid/annoying and are ignoring you or that I simply missed it. Anyways, feel free to lynch me, at least then you know Palmar is pretty much confirmed town. This is probably of more value to the town than me sticking around. Remember to protect him from nighthits if you do this, and you will win this easypeasy.
First of all, I'd like to day that his list of reads is quite consensual. Adam has showed us that it is quite easy for a mafia player to give away such a list (please note that their reads are quite similar).
Secondly, Tunkeg did not improve his behavior since the first cases against him (WBG, Z-Bo and me). The main reason he is suspicious in my eyes is that Tunkeg doesn't scumhunt. Like he doesn't scumhunt at all.
On December 12 2012 16:02 Tunkeg wrote:
Boom! That was a great lynch! Now WBG is 100% scum. Look how hard he was pushing for me after Adam got in trouble. Look how he kept including Adam as his 2nd read, while not ever pointing out why he thought he was scummy. He did this because Adam was very obv scummy, and wbg not mentioning adam as scummy would look really bad for him. Also look at adams read post how hard he tried to distance himself from wbg, "agreeing" with my read on him. Also look at how wbg have presented his arguements (word twisting and misrepresenting facts) and his silly "80% Palmar is scum".
WBG must be lynched day 2. Palmar got to be protected if we got a jailkeeper. Also if we got a cop look into someone trying to push my case, voting me and/or push/vote some other case after Adam got mentioned in Palmars video.
On December 13 2012 00:18 Tunkeg wrote:
If we have a vig he should definately put a cap in WBG's ass. If we have a jailkeeper he should definately protect Palmar. But even if protected the chance is that scum got a vig and will double stack Palmar. WBG dies tonight or tomorrow, but Palmar who should we kill day 3?
Saying that WBG is 100% is strange coming from a townie. It's always an easy way for the mafia to avoid contributing further by tunneling only one guy.
For his other scumreads (jay and me), he doesn't interact with us and didn't try to figure us out more than that, just saying that we are scummy and that we should get lynched is enough. For example, I have yet to see a case against me from Tunkeg while he is keeping saying I'm scummy since his opening post.
Look how is he ready to sheep Palmar for the 3rd lynch when WBG didn't even flip yet. Why he is asking Palmar who to lynch next instead of promoting his own lynches ?
Another interesting thing is his interaction with Palmar here.
+ Show Spoiler [dumb people] +On December 13 2012 00:36 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 00:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
Directing the jailkeeper when his target is "so obvious only a retard would not" is dumb and useless and throwing WIFOM in the air for no reason. If the target is so obvious why are you even saying it? Well, there are some seriously dumb people playing this game. If they happend to roll jk they need to be told what to do. On December 13 2012 00:45 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 00:40 Palmar wrote:On December 13 2012 00:36 Tunkeg wrote:On December 13 2012 00:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
Directing the jailkeeper when his target is "so obvious only a retard would not" is dumb and useless and throwing WIFOM in the air for no reason. If the target is so obvious why are you even saying it? Well, there are some seriously dumb people playing this game. If they happend to roll jk they need to be told what to do. Please list the people dumb enough. Nah, its the same people I have called dumb earlier. Maybe they haven't noticed or forgot. Don't want to insult them more, they might just not do as told to spite me.
I find it very intersting how he shies away from Palmar's question here. I really can feel the mafia player close to getting caught and trying to take the escape route. Why ?
Calling people dumb like this (reference to potential jailkeepers) is a scumslip. You call town players dumb and bad, mafia players are just mafia players
The only person that Tunkeg has called stupid and has a read on is thrawn. We could conclude that Tunkeg thought that thrawn was the JK and needed some directions. The thing is that Tunkeg did mention several people being dumb, not only one.
Tunkeg has called Vivax dumb, but also a potential scum player. So is Vivax potential JK or potential scum ?
I don't see anyone else that Tunkeg thinks is dumb, but I guess that he was thinking at other town players.
On December 13 2012 01:05 Tunkeg wrote:
If you can't find anyone I call dumb or anyone I am portraying as dumb then so be it.
Look how much he is trying to shut down this discussion !
My main point is that Tunkeg spends all his time giving reads, defending himself but he doesn't interact so much with anybody, doesn't push his scumreads (jay and me). TUNKEG DOESN'T SCUMHUNT. Hence he is mafia.
The way he was convinced that WBG was scum, him asking Palmar who to lynch next and then shying away from the discussion when he was about to slip is just the icing on the cake.
I didn't put in the effort to scumhunt in my last mafia game. Why ? Because it is tiresome when you roll mafia. I know now that "No scumhunting = mafia".
##Vote Tunkeg
Z-Bo, I would like your comments on this case. I think you should change your mind again about Tunkeg.
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On December 13 2012 13:22 jaybrundage wrote:
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##Voting Clarity
Will get a case when I have more time.
I don't think you should waste your time on this. WBG was a potential mislynch, the mafia doesn't get rid of this kind of players, they like them a lot.
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@ Clarity
I didn't take the time to look at BL yet. At first glance, I wouldn't mind to lynch him today.
You are the closest to be confirmed town right now for me.
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On December 13 2012 14:00 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 13:54 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity
I didn't take the time to look at BL yet. At first glance, I wouldn't mind to lynch him today.
You are the closest to be confirmed town right now for me. If clarity didn't suck at scum hunting, maybe I wouldn't consider voting him. As it is, he tried to lynch me, and wasn't going for the adam lynch at all. He has yet to help us lynch a scum yet. If he succeeded at derailing the adam lynch to me we would have two dead townies
Clarity is after BL now, do you think that BL is town ?
I think that it would have been a good day today for the mafia if they could have pushed the mislynch on WBG. It was anti-mafia to shot WBG at this point.
Even if you think he is bad at scumhunting, it's at least better than not scumhunting at all !
Anyway, I'm not going to stop you from writing your case against Clarity, but it better be the best case of the year if you don't want me to fight it ! It's just going to be a waste of your time imho.
Clarity is not going to get lynched today.
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On December 13 2012 03:39 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 21:34 Djodref wrote:- If town, you would have better off stopping this ASAP imo, because people would have voted you for lying and being anti-town for not explaining yourself. Also, if you were baiting mafia, it was going to be far to obvious, so it didn't matter so much for you to "come clean".
- If scum, it would have been better to force you into posting more shit
So either alignment, it was dumb and not really worth talking about. It's either stupid because I'm mafia and it would attract too much attention or it's stupid because I'm town and the mafia will automatically be paranoid of stuff like that. So I don't see why you spent so much attention on it. You even said you were thinking about this quote from the looney game: Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 09:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
Cuz I'm not scum u silly. Don't worry I love being mislynched. It's the part of the game where in the past ive figured out who is scum. So if you thought that was the town motivation I don't see why you'd mention it to the thread
@ thrawn
I have mentioned it to the thread because I thought that it was a pretty big towntell and that it would maybe have convinced other townies that you were more likely to be town than mafia pulling off a "big play". Also it was to show that I had definitively assessed my town read on you.
I didn't care to out your plan because I thought that it was bad (too obvious) and that you wouldn't catch mafia players with it.
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