EPTWBG must be lynched day 2. Palmar got to be protected if we got a jailkeeper. Also if we got a cop look into someone trying to push my case, voting me and/or push/vote some other case after Adam got mentioned in Palmars video.
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WBG must be lynched day 2. Palmar got to be protected if we got a jailkeeper. Also if we got a cop look into someone trying to push my case, voting me and/or push/vote some other case after Adam got mentioned in Palmars video. | ||
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On December 12 2012 16:14 wherebugsgo wrote: Tunkeg, let's go into a fantasy world for a second. In this fantasy world, neither of us thinks the other is scum. Who is scum then? There is no such scenario. To find the remaining scum one would need to connect the dots between you and Adam. This will require some rereading. So given you are scum I don't have an answer atm who the rest of the scumteam. I will not speculate in anything where I have to assume you are not scum, because it is irrellevant, as I am certain you are scum... | ||
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On December 12 2012 16:43 wherebugsgo wrote: LOL cool story bro. Even if I am scum you can't name anyone else? Jesus you're bad at this game. I mentioned plenty in my read post. The only ting back then was that Adam hadn't flipped yet. With Adam flipped, and me being certain you are scum, the rest of the scumteam need to add up with you two guys being scum. I will have plenty of time finding the remaining scum, and I will not rush into anything. I am not sure what your motives are here. But it probably have something with you wanting to discredit me, or call me out for being dumb. Frankly I don't care what you got to say anymore, I am convinced you are scum, and that all you are doing are scumtactics. There is nothing you can say to me that will make me change my mind, the way you went after me and the level of your arguements convinced me. The easiest way I find scum is looking at the people going after me, are they making up shit or voting me for no reason, and also got half a brain, yeah, then they are often scum. | ||
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On December 12 2012 17:05 Hapahauli wrote: All caught up! Here's the read dump: Town d00ds Thrawn - Duh. debears - Duh. Djodref - This one probably needs some 'splainin. The shit that he pulled at the end of the Day 1 lynch in no sane way came from a scum player. He was really enthralled with this idea of starting a last-minute wagon on a player when it was clear that adam would be getting lynched. I can't see hypothetical scum Djo pulling stuff like this, since he would have known that Adam would flip red. The dynamics of the game suggest that Adam was bussed by scum in the later hours. Djodref's play is far too attention-whoring and suicidal to be from scum. In addition, there are posts like this... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=13#260 ...where he displays a really convoluted thought process that I attribute more to town than scum. Palmar - He's definitely capable of bussing his own, but he didn't even make an attempt to go for another target but Adam. Much different from what I saw of his scum-play in Rockband Mini anywho. Clarity - His posts just seem pretty townie overall. Solid logic, really patient and well-thought out reads. Palmar's video goes through his early-game pretty well. And there are gems like this: Vivax - I explained my read on Vivax earlier... His voting actions are a bit weird (being convinced to vote Adam by Grush is quite sketch), but I can see a town thought-process of just wanting to not no-lynch. marv - Marv voting Adam early (2nd?) doesn't strike me as a scum move. Marv is capable of bussing plays, but a D1 bus of adam with plenty of other lynch options seems like a bit of a stretch. A possibility for sure, but not too likely methinks. green - He hasn't done much, but his vote on Adam gave me a town feel. He doesn't attempt to glorify it or justify it - he's candid about the whole thing, and that strikes me as town. Null Reads Jay - He seems like a pretty easy mislynch as town in his other games. He's not done much allignment-indicative in my eyes. Maaaaybe some townie points for being the hammer-vote on Adam, but that's about it. Tunkeg - Another wishy-washy player from what I've seen of his meta. I do like his "martyr" post quite a bit, because based on his general "mentality" as a player, I feel it's not a type of post that a player like him would make as a scum. Though I haven't seen a scum-game that he's played, which is why I'm a bit more hesitant. Maybe slightly townie, but nothing like the guys above. Grush - He's been on Adam from the get-go, and I'm unsure what to think of it. That would be a town-tell for most players, but this is Grush, and part of me thinks that he has a little extra info. Like this post... seems... too... reasonable for Grush? This is probably crazy on my part, but having seen him play Mafia LVII, his nonsensical town play there is pretty fresh in my mind. Z-Boson - His play is not alignment indicative so far. He's capable of bombing the big cases as town or scum. What will be telling in the future is if he can maintain good logic in making those cases. Scumreads Bluelightz - I realize he's lynch bait (and I tunnel'd him to death when he was town in Rockband), but in this game, I find his play lines up real neat with a scum agenda. In his opening post, he spreads suspicion on four different players: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=12#238 He posts a bunch after that, but never follows up on any of the suspicions he pushed in that thread. Notably, he never pushes the guy whom he put his vote on (jay). His vote on Adam also feels like a bus vote, a nice little agreeable and uncontroversial vote when the bandwagon is gaining steam. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=33#648 WBG - I get very scared when a vet gives me no reason to think he's town, and this seems to be the case with WBG. He has a case on a "lynch-bait" player in Tunkeg, but that's about it. His play is very "clean," and as the leader of one of the main counter-wagons to the Adam lynch (and given that I have no reason to think Tunkeg is scum at this point), I'm inclined to think WBG is scum. WTF do you know about my meta? Have me and you ever played a game? Have you read through my games after being replaced in (while you just now have been able to read up on this game)? Also you say my meta is wishy washy, lol. Are you sure you haven't skimmed through the scum QT and have misunderstood what they wrote about my meta? | ||
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On December 12 2012 17:35 Hapahauli wrote: Yes I skimmed a couple of your games. Whaddya think I"ve been doing for the last few hours? I thought you would be reading up on this game. A couple of hours to read up on this game and knowing all about my meta though is pretty impressive stuff. Unless you are just full of shit... | ||
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On December 12 2012 17:38 Hapahauli wrote: So what exactly is wrong with my meta read? I skimmed some of your games, and came to a conclusion based on them. I'm really unsure what your "angle of attack" is here. It is that I am finding your meta-read on me strange, and wanting to let the thread know. Also you elaborating on it is somewhat informative... | ||
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On December 12 2012 17:45 Hapahauli wrote: But thrawn and/or Tunkeg - some feedback on my read-dump would be appreciated. TBH I don't care to much about your reads. When I am assessing you your reads will be part of my assessment. But for now your reads are your reads, I agree on some of them (obviously) and some I don't. But I can tell you this much, I like that you posted some reads, it will make it easier to read you further down the line. | ||
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On December 12 2012 17:47 Hapahauli wrote: Ok strange yes, but it's a bit funny given that I've never been attacked for putting too much effort into a read. Kinda funny really. But calling my read strange is one thing, but you're seemingly flying off the wall and taking it personally. I am not attacking you for putting to much effort in. In fact what I question is the effort you have put into this. I find it strange that you can have read enough of me to have a meta-read on me at this point. | ||
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On December 12 2012 18:04 Hapahauli wrote: Well I'm interested in some of yours though. Particularly the ones on Djo and Vivax, since I'm drawing the opposite conclusions from some folks in the thread atm. I haven't an updated view on any of them. My read post is the last time I evaluated them in any way. And atm I can't sit down and analyse anyone, I can just follow the thread and give some short inputs where I feel it is needed. | ||
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On December 13 2012 00:20 Clarity_nl wrote: Hurray for directing protective roles and acting as if there's nothing to do in the next 48h You do know chances are high that Palmar gets killed tonight right? Any jailkeeper not protecting him is probably retarded. If Palmar do die we won't get his reads, why do you have a problem with me wanting to know who Palmar would lynch next? | ||
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On December 13 2012 00:32 Clarity_nl wrote: Directing the jailkeeper when his target is "so obvious only a retard would not" is dumb and useless and throwing WIFOM in the air for no reason. If the target is so obvious why are you even saying it? Well, there are some seriously dumb people playing this game. If they happend to roll jk they need to be told what to do. | ||
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Nah, its the same people I have called dumb earlier. Maybe they haven't noticed or forgot. Don't want to insult them more, they might just not do as told to spite me. | ||
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Also anyone doubting clarity's claim is stupid. There is no reason at all for a scum clarity to claim such a hit. He had alot of towncred allready, a missed hit like this would only put him back on the radar. Scum don't have a vig, as they would have taken out Palmar with it, doublestacking. Or perhaps some other vet they view as dangerous. With no vig they went for the best safe option, taking out someone who by pushing Adam early was looking very townie, and who wasn't likely to be protected. | ||
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On December 13 2012 18:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh a missed hit like this would only put him back on the radar huh? Like, the way you and Hapa keep attesting that anyone doubting his claim is stupid, you mean like that kind of put on the radar? Palmar are you at least following what I'm saying? It has put him back on the radar. People are looking into him again. Clarity had so much towncred before this hit, that scum would probably put some other guy to claim if they wanted to claim. Also scum would never hit WBG in the shitty position he was in. I find it very likely he would have been lynched day 2 had he not been shot. I would definately have voted for him today. | ||
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On December 13 2012 22:49 Palmar wrote: Also I just really want Tunkeg to be town so I can at least claim bugs was wrong on day 1 as an excuse for me wanting to lynch him when he was town. It just looks a whole lot better if I didn't get bugs killed for trying to lynch some other scum than the one I wanted to lynch. I want to be able to pull off "Well if you wanted me to think you're town, maybe you shouldn't have tried to lynch townies to save scum". Don't worry, I am town. You can have a go at WBG post-game all you want, he played like utter shit this game. Also there got to be a scum in either Jaybrundage or Bluelightz (or both). I don't think adam would post his "reads" without least including some of his scumbuddies as scum. | ||
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On December 14 2012 02:04 Z-BosoN wrote: @Tunkeg Why are you insistent about clarity having lots of towncred? The way I see it Clar was not exactly mr. town, especially with posts like these: Floating about. Care to explain? Because Clarity have been very townie, at least thats my opinion. His posts, especially early games indicate nothing but townieness. And these examples you linked there isn't actually saying they suspected that Clarity is scum. The first reply from Palmar is pretty standard from him, he is just saying that he don't find BL scummy, and also takes the opportunity to slap Clarity in the face. He loves to sneak small insults into his posts. The two other posts is just a follow up to that. If you find any other posts where Clarity is viewed as not-townie then please link. Also remember that the posts you linked was very close to deadline, and if they are the only one anywhere near indicating Clarity was being viewed as not-townie, scum would still never send him out to falsely claim vig (as this would be something they would have to discuss more). Anyways my view is that Clarity have acted townie, and had a decent amount of towncred to his name, and that it would be silly for scum to make him claim a vigshot. Why are you bringing this up? You have an interest in getting the discussion going on whether the claim is real or not? I see only scum interest in getting such a discussion going at this point... | ||
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Bluelightz: Adam had him as scum on his list before he died, and that makes my scum alert go off. Also he have been a target for many players thus far. I have divided my view off Bluelightz into two parts, pro-scum reads and pro-town reads: Pro-scum: He haven't made a single good case, read or reason to vote a player. Low post count, with little/nothing content. His willingness to lynch bugs IF the rest of the players wanted this, but not providing any reasons of his own (when plenty of reasons were easy to find. - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=54#1080 Pro-town: Voted adam very very early before going to bed. He had no reason of his own to vote him, but still such an early vote as his last vote before the dealine is something I wouldn't expect from him as scum. Especially when he just as easily could have thrown a vote my way. The question is why didn't he do that? Was it because he was town and thought adam was the best target for day one? Or perhaps it was him being scum and was certain that the wagon on me would hold all the way without him voting for me, and therefor giving him a chance to create distance to adam by being an early voter on him? So is he scum or town? I would say I am leaning scum, but not hard enough to want to lynch him today. His early vote on adam completely throws me off here. If it hadn't been for that, I would have him as a much stronger scum candidate. Jaybrundage: Also one of those adam proposed as scum. And also a player I have been suspecious of from the beginning. So: Pro-scum: An early game, which I have commented on earlier, that was full of scummieness. Alot of poorly thought out posts, where he contradicted himself within the same post. Also very vague and wishy-washy early. I also find his current vote on clarity strange (in fact any vote on clarity at this point in the game I find strange and suspicious). Pro-town: He sealed the deal on adam, he was the 9th voter. I would not expect scum to this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=40#789 And not only did he seal the deal, he went after the ones he thought was derailing the lynch, and tried to keep the lynch on track: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=50#986 Also something I wouldn't expect a scumplayer to do. So even if he said he just wanted to avoid a no-lynch (which in it self is a good point for him not being scum), and provided no reason for voting adam, I think the way he came in to seal the deal and keep the lynch on speaks in his favor. In fact I would expect late scumplayers to come in and provide some halfass reason to vote adam, just to stay under the radar, not coming in and voting the way jay did. So I don't want to lynch Jaybrundage either, in fact, I take him off my scumlist and put him back to neutral because of how he acted when adam was lynched. VE: Pro-scum: Says clarity's case on jay isn't good, then proceeds to make a case on his own later. A case which is much much worse, and looks more to be defending Djo than anything. Also keep in mind VE as scum loves defending his scummates. Exception being when he cooks up a plan to bus (like he and toadstern did in TL Mafia LI). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=22#434 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=25#486 Haven't done any real contributions so far, a very lackluster filter. His vote on adam. He had been agreeing on adam possible being scum earlier, but the way he presented his vote on him, was very unconvincing. Like "We give up, we need to bus Adam". This might make jays vote also look abit worse, if the scumteam together found out they needed to vote adam (but then again VE had jay as his other option so not likely both are scum). But where jay stayed and tried to keep the lynch on adam, VE was fishing trying to put some doubt into the voters with posts like: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=42#832 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=43#844 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=43#851 Also what the fuck is this (considering what he did just 6 posts later, says Djo should stop it,then later says that he is open to voting jay over adam. Is this him telling his scumbuddy to stop acting like a clown in thread????): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=43#845 Is now trying to get clarity lynched for his vigclaim, which as said before I find very suspicious (anyone suspecting clarity that is, not clarity's claim) Pro-town: Even though this isn't exactly a pro-town read that I can convince the rest of you about it is still a read I got. And that is that as of now I haven't seen what I think is VE's scumtell number one. I obviously won't tell what it is, unless it shows up in thread. This is the only little doubt I've got. In total though I think VE looks scummy, and is a great lynch candidate for today. I want him lynched. ##Vote: VisceraEyes PS: The next I would look more into would obv be Djodref. | ||
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