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Vivax
21691 Posts
If you asked me to dig up my meta for you, I'll gently tell you to gtfo and read it for yourself, it's out there. However, I don't even want to get lost into details, I don't trust his style and that's all. I don't feel like lynching Tunkeg for one post. To me it looks like he's lazy. If he doesn't post more until the end of day 1 I'll think about changing opinion. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
I'm glad you started making scumreads rather than soft defending a bunch of people though. Could you expand on Zbo? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On December 11 2012 06:33 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't understand why you're trying to rally people to sheep you right now, when we're still in the first half of D1. I'm glad you started making scumreads rather than soft defending a bunch of people though. Could you expand on Zbo? As a general rule I kinda like pushing my preferred candidate, dear. Z-Bo because he came into the thread late, and then spent a few posts nitpicking at both the 80% figure and the presumed number of scum. It's an irrelevant way to enter the thread and spend your time. His posts just aren't constructive. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
The main issue I have with him is his stance regarding his suspicions. They don't make the slightest of sense to someone who is actually scumhunting. Lets us look at his first post. I'm gonna be analyzing two things. 1. Suspicion on debears and 2. suspicion on thrawn On December 10 2012 09:37 Djodref wrote: Hello everybody ! @thrawn Did you seriously not read that millers are not self aware ? @debears Are you seriously willing to enforce a "Lynch all Liars" policy ? My first reaction to thrawn post was "yeah, obvious scum" then I thought that he might not have been serious at all. A one liner for a miller claim doesn't look real, regardless of his alignment. The way he answered "nvm, then" shows that he is carefree about it. Debears, you are jumpy as both alignments, but I wouldn't expect your town self to post a video instead of engaging the discussion to get this game rolling. FoS debears He immediately feels surprised about thrawn's claim, and questions him about it. Now, look at all this interesting in his part towards debears. He does the following:
So, that leaves us at: 1. thrawn - surprising claim, but he's not necessarily scum. 2. debears - bad LAL policy. Video instead of discussion. FOS. Next post: On December 10 2012 09:53 Djodref wrote: Not true, if it was a probe post and you did it as town, then you can give a real answer like "I totally read that miller are not self-aware, but I wanted to use this fakeclaim as a probe to see how people would react to it" My problem is that I'm faced with the following choice right now
So, I'll go with the first choice for the moment and ask you how you were expecting people to react to this fakeclaim. All in all, what was your motivation for this post ? Here he proceeds in assuring that he'd rather go with a bluffing town thrawn rather than a scum one. Even so, he questions thrawn's motivation. Here's where it starts to get icky. Debears answers Djo, and here's his reply: On December 10 2012 09:56 Djodref wrote: I don't know how serious this vote was and this is what I want you to answer me, not throwing questions against questions. Given your behavior (video + this post), I would say not serious. The problem is not posting a video, my problem is that you are not engaging the discussion with thrawn after you vote him. Now, suddenly, the problem is not posting a video. The problem is not engaging the discussion with thrawn after debears voted him. This is all kinds of absurd. First of all, he mentions that the problem has nothing to do with the video - which is crystal clear it does. Also, as you recall in the first post, Djo acknowledged it being a policy vote. Policy vote is exactly that: a policy vote, no questions asked. What kind of discussion is Djo expecting? This is exactly the kind of useless argument scum like focusing on. I can't for the life of me see what Djo was expecting with this question... It gets better. On December 10 2012 10:07 Djodref wrote: Yes, I guess you were saying that your vote was not real with the video. What was your motivation with your first vote on thrawn ? What is your real take on thrawn fakeclaim ? He's still on about how debears voted thrawn, when he had already recognized it as a policy lynch. This to me seems like fluff. Scum wanting to look like they are contributing. So, right now, we have: 1. thrawn - surprising claim, but he's not necessarily scum. Actually it's more likely that he's town. 2. debears - bad LAL policy. Video instead of discussion. FOS. Doesn't engage in the discussion with thrawn after he votes. Now his reasons for voting thrawn are questionable. Of course, the natural townie thing to do right now is... On December 10 2012 10:35 Djodref wrote: I don't like it. I don't understand why you are being so stubborn... Let's see if it's really all you have to say about it. ##Vote thrawn OF COURSE! Pressure vote someone you have a town read on, instead of someone you've been pressuring for the last two-three pages. Then, after realizing that he was being completely balls-out useless with his pressure on thrawn, he decides it's time to drop it and sheep a Clarity case, which has NOTHING to do with absolutely ANYTHING he's been up to until that point in time: On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote: @ debears So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ? Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you. I think Clarity made good points against Jay and I'm also leaning town on thrawn right now. I think I know the reason why he doesn't want to explain himself right now and I don't think that my pressure vote is going to work out. @ jay It looks like you are leaning scum on thrawn. Would you care to convince us that he is indeed scum and that we should vote him ? As you can see, the risk to start an early bandwagon on him is not so big. ##Vote jay This is 100% not town mentality. If this isn't scum getting lost in the sidetracks, I don't know what is. What happened to the discussion? Whatever happened to debears? The only time he mentions debears again is in questioning him about Adam ( here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=12#237), and this is on a whole other dimension than on what he was pressuring debears about. Scum. tl;dr Sheep: ##Vote Djodref | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Vivax
21691 Posts
I didn't like Tunkegs response, he could have spent time posting more against others instead of reacting to my post with one line. I'd join you in a Tunkeg vote, not in for Z-Boson though. | ||
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Vivax
21691 Posts
Just saw Bosons post, reading and updating opinion. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On December 11 2012 06:33 Vivax wrote: Doesn't even matter why he does it as long as he does it, clarity. If you asked me to dig up my meta for you, I'll gently tell you to gtfo and read it for yourself, it's out there. However, I don't even want to get lost into details, I don't trust his style and that's all. I don't feel like lynching Tunkeg for one post. To me it looks like he's lazy. If he doesn't post more until the end of day 1 I'll think about changing opinion. On December 11 2012 06:52 Vivax wrote: Z-Boson is quite confrontational in his posts. I don't think he's scum as of now, but I think he should post more. I didn't like Tunkegs response, he could have spent time posting more against others instead of reacting to my post with one line. I'd join you in a Tunkeg vote, not in for Z-Boson though. What? | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On December 11 2012 06:29 debears wrote: He did say it. Sure, I paraphrased it. Has the same meaning to me Well, that's saying that he's not willing to call him scum, as in he's not 100% scum. I feel that's kind of different of saying that he ISN'T scum ==> he's town. I don't feel like these are the same things but whatever. What you think about djodref? | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On December 11 2012 05:38 Vivax wrote: So I've been scratching my balls while reading the thread for the last 20 minutes, and when I saw jaybrundages posts, they started to hurt. ##Vote jaybrundage So you are okay with this post? To me it looks like you didn't study the matter enough. This explanation sucks hard. He's basically leaving the defense of himself to everybody else. He never said explicitly that he joked, he only said explicitly that he had intentions, fuck knows which. That being said, I suggest you go back and read the stuff before you make the same mistake I made with clarity. Dude read the thread. Thrawn said what his motive was in this post when he finally responded to me. Its not difficult use a filter. Stop trying to play with half the deck. If you wanna try to scum hunt great but at least read the thread first. On December 10 2012 14:53 thrawn2112 wrote: alright well I'm tired of the miller claim discussion so here's how it went down from my perspective. At first it was mainly a joke, but it was also intended to jump start discussion. + Show Spoiler + wow big surprise there right? And Clarity regarding why I have shifted my stance on Thrawn I said it right here. I really couldn't wrap my head around a town. False claiming for no damn reason. I mean I know its day one and all. But I just thought it was stupid and why do it. If we had followed lynch all liars then he would of been dead. After i read other peoples thoughts about how they were much more inclined to believe it was a joke. It made me reevaluate my position and after (Finally) thrawn explained himself I think his explanation which I had trouble believing before was plausible. On December 11 2012 04:43 jaybrundage wrote: I didnt mean you specifically but some people in TL mafia do. I actually am starting to lean more neutral on Thrawn. In my early mind set I just couldnt see someone misclaiming as a joke, or risk getting them selves lynched. Im a little worried about our lurkers. And i would prefer to see more posts out of ZBoston. Specifically ZBoston what do you think about Claritys case on me and some people soft defending me. Also MunkE has had like 3 posts since his /in and every single one of them is mostly about WBG statistic. Do we really have to nitpick over something like that. WBG was mostly trying to bait Palmar out. Lets hear your thoughts on some cases On Vivax its odd. He seems really interested in going after Thrawns claim and saying that Ve defended it as a joke. When its not a joke. Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke. That he stubbornly. Refused to explain to generate discussion. I think he is concentrating on thrawns little joke to much to the exclusion of everything else. I can see him being scum. ##Vote Vivax (Because some people get SOOOOO antsy if you dont follow your argument with your vote.) I also want to see some more posts from our lurkers. Bluelightz and MunkE and Palmar. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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Vivax
21691 Posts
 .I still don't like your defensive style jaybro. Nothing personal. Meanwhile, you can discuss how weird it is that I'm willing to lynch Tunkeg after his second post, Clarity looks willing to help in that, he's being like, my personal journalist. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On December 11 2012 07:08 Vivax wrote: I'll go read the thread and scratch my balls some more. I'm clearly missing too much stuff .Look at me guys, I'm completely useless, don't rely on me. On December 11 2012 07:08 Vivax wrote: I still don't like your defensive style jaybro. Nothing personal. You don't like his style? Do you think he's scum? On December 11 2012 07:08 Vivax wrote: Meanwhile, you can discuss how weird it is that I'm willing to lynch Tunkeg after his second post, Clarity looks willing to help in that, he's being like, my personal journalist. That is weird. Weirder still is the fact that you mention it but don't expand on it. I don't like that you mention "I'm willing to lynch this other guy too!", as if it really doesn't matter to you who we lynch. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Can you give us your "updated opinion"? ... | ||
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Vivax
21691 Posts
You raise some good points. I'd say your main argument is that he identifies that early vote by debears as a policy vote, but still asks about other motivations. Then he drops from debears, goes for thrawn, the guy he leaned town on, just to switch to jay for suspecting thrawn. The same guy he voted for just before. Yeah, I think he's scummy for these moves. | ||
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Vivax
21691 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On December 11 2012 06:53 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm sorry to point out the obvious, but.... What? What made you change your mind on Tunkeg? Why are you saying he's town in one post, then in another post casually saying you'd lynch him? | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
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Vivax
21691 Posts
His first post was made to fit in in some way, then he apparently spent hours lurking only to come out again when called out from me. Don't act as if I changed my mind out of nothing. I changed it cause of his post. Just cause clarity highlights one small part of it (the one where I express my willingness to vote) doesn't mean you shouldn't read the rest of it ,where I say that I didn't like Tunkegs response. | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On December 11 2012 07:29 Z-BosoN wrote: Well you didn't say he was town, but you get the drift. How does "Don't feel like lynching" go to "I'd join you in a tunkeg vote"? I might help you out here. He is voting me because I corrected his faulty post about me. He also want me to comment on "ALL" the posts that have been made about me, instead of me commenting on his. But tbh there isn't anything to comment on on the other posts, and I will correct errors when I see them. | ||
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