Well that was just dumb, but dumb is not alignment indicative and when you're scum it's really weird to contest the towniest person so if anything that exchange makes him town.

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Vivax

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December 15 2012 20:40 GMT

#1955

Where is your vigi crumb?You said you would tell if we asked.

Vivax

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December 15 2012 20:49 GMT

#1962

It doesn't make sense for me that Clarity shot WBG when he was suspecting jay, BL and Tunkeg before, so I prefer to not take his townieness for granted.

Vivax

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December 15 2012 20:49 GMT

#1963

Push the easy cases and then shoot a strong townie.

Vivax

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December 15 2012 20:54 GMT

#1965

Well you seem to have evidence to the contrary, mind giving it out?

Vivax

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December 15 2012 20:57 GMT

#1967

You truly are the towniest player in here.

Vivax

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December 15 2012 23:28 GMT

#1972

What do you think of this post, considering that djo referred to Adam as slightly scummy (and repeatedly stating that he wanted to lynch him the least)?

On December 12 2012 00:59 Djodref wrote:

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Like, adam making a post about vivax and how he is wary of him without voting him ?
Vivax coming up in the thread and defending adam like if the thread was still at page 15 ?
And Vivax going against Adam after catching up and stuff ?

Yeah, it's strange, but I don't see Vivax as scum because it looks like he genuinely didn't read some part of the thread.

I kinda thought of it as a slip when I was asking you your opinions.

Vivax

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December 16 2012 00:18 GMT

#1975

djo->jay->VE/clarity->win

Vivax

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December 16 2012 00:39 GMT

#1979

I'll give you my own impression of my town play: Confrontative, energic-assholish, often stubborn on what I think, and when people look one way I try to look the other. And I'm a bloody noob afraid of cricket bats.

I know it isn't nice to many but I think it has its good sides.

Anyway, I think Clarity has been doing almost no analysis since he shot Bugs, and I somehow still keep the option up that what he did while being confronted with Adams last 30 minutes was a spectacular bus scenario, followed by the death of a strong townie cause almost everyone believed bugs to be scum anyway. He also didn't interact with bugs' bluff, but was clearly there.

Let's say it's a theory that can fit, and there's not much you can prove otherwise with hard facts (not impressions).
But since it's a hot iron to touch I'll focus on other things until we got other scum.

Vivax

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December 16 2012 00:44 GMT

#1982

Nontheless, he could have pulled the same show with a scum vigi. And his promise of demonstration at night makes on think about it, at least.

Vivax

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December 16 2012 00:45 GMT

#1984

You also were willing to vote for someone else 15 minutes before, and when you did, at least 10 votes were already on Adam, so you actually cared of how you look.

Vivax

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December 16 2012 00:48 GMT

#1986

I've got a semi finished case in the closet if you wanna know, I'll show you the first part. Call me stupid or whatever:

VE's argument about the existence of a scum vigi made me think a bit again.
We've all been taking for granted that clarity is town, all game long.

But if you look at the timing of the posts:

Adams list:

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On December 12 2012 09:07 Adam4167 wrote:
Alright, seeing as I am the leading vote getter today, Ill get some reads out for you guys so my death isn't a complete waste.

Obvious town to me:
Palmar, Clarity, dabears, Marv, Thrawn and Vivax.

Jaybrundage
Jay is lurky when he plays scum, and right now he's fitting the bill. In Arkham City I fell into the trap of thinking that he was too scummy to be scum, and largely ignored him for the entire game until he obviously fakeclaimed and outed himself. This game he looks mostly the same here, ultra lurky, and non-contributive. He's jumped onto my wagon with the reason of " Id rather lynch bluelightz, but I don't want a no lynch". Probably scum.

Bluelightz
Bluelightz is another one that ultra lurks when he is scum. He was literally afraid to post in Student mafia after replacing in and just sat around in the scum QT. His play in Aperture mafa as scum was similar to his play this game, he throws out a couple of reads and then lurks until someone takes an interest in him. Probably scum.

WBG
He looks to be bending his reads to please palmar, which is never a good sign from someone as headstrong as WBG. Look at his attitude towards myself, early game he has no problem with my gameplay, after declaring nobody in the thread looks suspicious and turning his attention towards the lurkers. Then, palmar posts his video and I become a suspect, he adds me to his list of scum targets, but with flimsy reasoning and 'meta' but would still rather push other people. Probably scum.

Tunkeg
Tunkeg is an interesting one. His emo routine after being questioned is not what I would consider 'townie', but his list of reads is at least somewhat helpful and actually looks somewhat similar to mine. I'd keep him alive for now, but keep an eye on him, as he so happily points out, we have no idea what to expect from his scum play. Mostly Null, make him work to show his alignment.

VisceraEyes
VE has mostly lurked today and really hasn't put much into this game. He's capable of this as either town or scum. He seems pretty content to sheep most of Palmars reads this game, something I wouldn't expect from him but I do like his case on jaybrundage. Mostly null, some small contributions.

Djodref
Djodref's biggest scum tell from Mario Mafia was that he did absolutely no scum hunting and sat around setup speculating even at LYLO. He's pushed some cases this game, which I consider points in his favour, but he's also back flipped his read on me as soon as Palmar mentioned both of us in his video. He's spent a majority of day 1 defending himself from bad cases, and I think he's capable of being a good contributing townie, leaning town on Djodref.

Anyone else that I haven't got to either wasn't memorable or isn't putting in enough effort.

##Vote Jaybrundage

Claritys reactions:

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On December 12 2012 09:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
BL is the counter wagon you're looking for. I just don't see it with Adam, and I don't think I'm blinded to anything. I agree with nearly everything in his list post. Logical is the way I go down when I'm town as well, screaming and shouting does no one any good when I'm dead because people won't read my analysis if it's incomprehensible and emotional.

On December 12 2012 09:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'd be willing to vote jay over Adam, ofcourse.

Then, when the counterclaims took no traction...

On December 12 2012 09:47 Adam4167 wrote:
Alright I was hoping that I could talk my way out of this lynch without having to claim, but apparently that does not seem to be possible.

I am a Vigilante.

Give me a chance to prove i'm town tonight.

...Adam might have given Clarity the reason to bus him.
And Adam promised a shot for the night aswell (implying a scum vigi according to VE). Here a lot of options open up since they could have shot someone or said to have been roleblocked, but that would rather get Adam killed the next day since it'd have been more likely that scum would hit him.

Anyway, Clarity obviously changed vote after the claim, there were more than 10 votes on Adam at that point, but in retrospect it gives the impression he knew that Adam couldn't be vigi (although clarity could have considered a second vigi, but well, it's a small setup).

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On December 12 2012 09:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
Adam where's your crumb?

##Vote Adam4167

On December 12 2012 09:52 Adam4167 wrote:
I don't need to crumb anything, the proof would be in the daypost.

And that's how one of the best busses I'd have ever seen could have ended.
Clarity obviously crumbed with his fibonacci series.It's just that a vigi of either alignment can crumb that and go back to it, and in this case, the crumb was impossible to find on one's own, so I see no other purpose in it than to strengthen one's claim.

Well, this post is about clarity's obtained vigi status, the next one will be about his interactions, stance switches etc.

And here I didn't go on with looking cause I've been shat on. But I might deliver in the future if I feel like.

Vivax

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December 16 2012 00:57 GMT

#1991

What?Afaik he mentioned suspicion against you for the first time now.

Vivax

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December 16 2012 01:07 GMT

#1997

Holy shit, they really had a vigi.

Vivax

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December 16 2012 01:10 GMT

#2000

When marv's still alive at this point, he needs to be looked at with care.

Vivax

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December 16 2012 01:13 GMT

#2002

Anyway, gg you two and forgive my style ;> .

Vivax

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December 16 2012 12:00 GMT

#2014

You know what the problem is djo?

Your last big list post, similar to this, contained 100 % townreads and 0 scumhunting.

This post is the same, you try to scumhunt by elimination.

Also, I'd like to know some reasons why you think marv is town.

Vivax

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December 16 2012 12:09 GMT

#2015

You know, your arguments about marv are that he pushed Tunkegs lynch over yours, and that he replied to WBGs bluff. I think putting yourself as obvious town isn't correct, you should assume that noone knows you're town when you argue in this situation. Also, you like spewing around "I'm town" a lot, it's getting inflationated.