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On December 02 2012 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:30 austinmcc wrote:On December 02 2012 09:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
whatever, this is fruitless and marv might just be that bad.
So, let's kill BH then. Hopefully someone shoots him tonight. Seriously, please go into a little more detail about why you want BH to get deaded. I've mentioned this before, but: Go back and look at how BH switches his votes and how he reasons them. Look at how he attacks DP. Firstly, one could argue that voteswitching doesn't really tell us anything about how BH is scum or not. Sure, one could argue that, but then consider that BH doesn't do any work in pushing his targets either. He switches really often, usually with no attached reason, and he's so erratic that no one really knows what he's going to do or why he's going to do it. As town I feel like BH usually at least gives reasons for attacking people. It looks as if he feigned contribution on DP/Zentor, and stuff like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 07:01 Blazinghand wrote:
Wow all these people agreeing with me to lynch DP and I'm the only one with a good reason. Don't look gift horses in the mouth I guess suggests that he's more concerned with his appearance than actually finding scum. What's especially weird is his vote switches between DP and DYH. These are just done for no reason at all and he never states why his suspicion of either changes as he does it. Lastly, I haven't heard anyone yet say that they find BH to be townie. Notice how people consistently call him scum (even marv did) and no one really considers him town, but there's always a different target with the attention on them.
Before Mario mafia I would have agreed with this wholeheartedly. BH hopped around manically in that game though.
I heavily attacked him because one moment he said Z-Boson was town. Then town was switching off someone else and on to Z-Boson, and suddenly Z-Boson was definitely scum:
On November 15 2012 10:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:30 Blazinghand wrote:
I mean, I personally don't think ZB is scum right now. Earlier I did for the way he was trying to set up town cred with his voting pattern, but iamp correctly noted that ZB straightened up after his initial OMGUS on me. This could be due to scum thread coaching, I'll admit, but the aggression he displayed, however wrong-headed, is town to me. Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:46 Blazinghand wrote:
._. curse you DP for casting doubt into my heart. I'll just shoot you tonight with all my vigi bullets then
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##vote ZB Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:48 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 10:47 iamperfection wrote:On November 15 2012 10:47 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 10:46 iamperfection wrote:On November 15 2012 10:46 Blazinghand wrote:
._. curse you DP for casting doubt into my heart. I'll just shoot you tonight with all my vigi bullets then
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##vote ZB ...........................................wat it'll all make sense after the flip! no explain fucking now ZB... will flip scum. cool story bro
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sorry bugs, I forgot you never lynched townies Day 1.
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On December 02 2012 09:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
also I find it ironic that you are trying to discredit me now when you tried to use past results to justify that your trash case on DP.
I'm not trying to discredit you at all, I'm basically asking that you stop calling me bad for lynching a townie day 1 as if it's never happened before.
We can call a truce on it or I can just carry on being a dick to you too, but I'd really rather not at this stage.
I thought I was right about DP and I wasn't, it doesn't make me a bad player all of a sudden.
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On December 03 2012 04:52 sandroba wrote:
Edit: nvm i see you calmed down
lol 
I've not touched or looked at this game since the flip.
But the reason for my unvote of DYH was partly panic, and partly because I went back to look at how DYH played as scum in Dwarf Fortress. His play seemed different there in that at least superficially he was more involved, he had questions for other players on Day 1, and didn't tunnel on one player. Anyway right now I'm inclined to believe his vigilante because he claimed it with like 1 or 2 minutes to go or something, realistically not enough time to sway anyone to change their vote.
BH I just don't know. I raged at him in Mario on several occasions for what I viewed as retarded plays (voting someone he just called town and calling him scum with no reason). I can see town BH tunnelling someone even when holes have been picked in his case. I don't actually know how to have a scumread on BH :/
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EBWOP: obviously i argued with bugs after the flip, but you get the gist of what I'm saying. Basically I've taken a break.
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On December 03 2012 05:29 sandroba wrote:
@marv what gave you the idea you might have a unknown sanity?
the game is called Paranoia, it's a closed setup, and my sanity wasn't specified in my PM.
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On December 03 2012 05:40 sandroba wrote:
I'm just trying to understand the timing here: You claim DT -> You think hey what if I have a sanity -> You ask host about it and he answers-> You post that you don't know your sanity. Is this correct?
no, I asked about my sanity at the start of the game. i got a reply and the gist of it was that he wouldn't tell me if I was guaranteed sane or not.
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On December 03 2012 06:16 Keirathi wrote:You sound surprised -_-
surprised in a good, "nicely done" way, not a "i didn't think you were capable of that" way. hush now ^^
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On December 03 2012 06:21 Blazinghand wrote:
Wow all these haters hatin
is that all you have to say? :x
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On December 03 2012 07:37 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 07:35 Blazinghand wrote:On December 03 2012 07:34 Keirathi wrote:On December 03 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote:
Okay Keirathi, riddle me this.
IF BH is scum, why would he make that giant case against me and retract it immediately? Odd behavior like that is bound to be noticed, and BH could have easily made himself look productive while throwing dirt on me by not retracting that case. Because if you are town, you would have immediately come into the thread and said "Hey wait, I was scum that game not town!", making him look bad. Retracting the case was his only option from either alignment, so it's a null tell. And somehow this argument applies, but your case on me largely rests on me NOT paying attention to holes in the D case? That you kept pushing the DP case even after he proved that you were wrong was just bad, not really a scum tell. But that's what got me interested into looking into you more. What convinced me you were scum wasn't that you were wrong, it was HOW you pushed your wrongness.
it's this for me and hasn't been answered.
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the one thing that made me lean slightly town on Ace was when he pulled Xatalos up on his townreads who had been going at each other n shit.
I know it's terribly minor but it at least showed he was attentive to what was going on in the thread.
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On December 03 2012 07:59 DoYouHas wrote:
Shooting VE
thank you for giving me 30 seconds to change my check ^_^
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gg, sorry for being a dick some of the time.
At least my proposed check was a good one ^_^
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gg.
wp austin.
Setup does seem rather town-favoured. JH said he ran it through Foolishness and he proposed changes that JH went with, so I've no idea what Foolish was thinking there.
Thanks to JH and cohosts for a nice game anyway. I like the idea of a closed setup but with basically normal roles, and two mason pairs was good for 'paranoia', but yeah scum needed at least a couple of roles.
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On December 09 2012 04:28 Ace wrote:
Too many bad players and nonsense going on in this setup. Thanks for hosting guys, but the first few days was just too much impossible bs to wade through.
Marv I had more faith in you than what you showed here. Even you have to realize your claim was fucked up. When I was going to unvote you and you still kept being antagonistic I figured you didn't want to live.
ETA: I really wish people would stop bussing their scum partners just because they can. One of the dumbest things you can do in Mafia game.
ok. I didn't play a good game, but I don't have a lot to say other than that the way I claimed is the way I think/react, and as you haven't played games with me you don't understand that.
As far as I was concerned the wagon on me was absolutely ludicrous and so there wasn't anything to argue about, so I claimed to tell people to fuck off.
The thing to look at is that you were really the only one with a scumread on me, and everyone else fell on me like a pack of dominos. In hindsight it was even quite obvious that bugs was more frustrated/angry at how I was playing rather than thinking I was genuinely scum.
Actually the whole game would have looked different if you hadn't manufactured a scumread on me out of nowhere. Obviously it's my bad for flipping out, but if you hadn't thought I was scum for whatever stupid reasons you did originally, none of that shit would ever have happened.
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On December 10 2012 15:35 Blazinghand wrote:
Whatever minor play issues I had this game, I certainly had fun and will take it as a learning experience-- perhaps I can become an even better player.
right, I was apoplectic in QT that you made a case on your mason partner, but in the end that was only one thing and... Ace? was right that we'll look back on it and laugh. I don't think your play suffered from any other issues particularly and I agree with syllogism with regards to who we should be aiming any anger at.
This is the primary reason I left my ranting in obsQT, the case was silly and it was what it was, but BH already knows this and there's nothing anyone can say to prevent it happening again or anything, that's for BH. Actually BH has been quite stoic in the face of the rage I've aimed at him the last couple of games + the exceedingly pointless criticisms here post-game.
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the issue is that it causes confusion where there doesn't need to be confusion
i was of the mind for a while that town would have to flip BH for how the play went down. Obviously that went away but basically town needlessly complicating stuff for town = not good, is the basic idea.
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On December 11 2012 01:10 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 01:01 marvellosity wrote:
the issue is that it causes confusion where there doesn't need to be confusion
i was of the mind for a while that town would have to flip BH for how the play went down. Obviously that went away but basically town needlessly complicating stuff for town = not good, is the basic idea. Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 01:02 Blazinghand wrote:
Austinmcc I agree that some of the rage is a bit misdirected, but the case against MrZ did have the effect of weakening my Mason claim a bit, even if perhaps it shouldn't have. As I was re-examining my notes after posting the case initially I remembered he was my mason partner and realized I couldn't push him since we might have to claim at some point and also he might actually get lynched. It certainly wasn't playing against wincon, especially given how it was retracted, but it meant there was a bit of hesitance about believing the mason claim. I imagine if the claim order were reversed (MrZ and me claimed and Kei/WBG counterclaimed) MrZ would have been lynched instead of WBG. That being said, MrZ and I did a good job of defending each other throughout this game and the case was retracted immediately so it wasn't a huge issue.
E: but yeah basically what marv said. there's plenty of people to write questionable meta cases against D1, it's unnecessarily confusing to do it against your mason partner, so barring weird circumstances as a mason you should try to avoid attacking your partner. I guess I just didnt' feel confused. I'm not advocating it, but ... the mason claim was so instantaneous, so genuine, and backed up with logs the minute they were requested. There was no way you guys weren't masons. While the case on MrZ didn't fit that, oh well...it wasn't a big enough deal to worry about imo, and I was sitting there suspecting EVERYONE.
like you said, this is coming from the guy who towned up his redcheck. Town has enough to worry about without adding extra complications (however small or large) where they are unnecessary.
This is a niggle I have with your play in general, you overcomplicate sometimes which is fine for you because you're the one doing it, but for the rest of town it can have the result of obfuscating rather than clarifying.
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