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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 06:18 GMT
#4738
This is extremely stupid, I can not believe hosts didn't just ask him for a team. Poor form
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 06:19 GMT
#4739
I did not take damage and I was healed
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 06:31 GMT
#4743
Prom you better have a good story read as to why you didn't protect any of the most likely targets
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 06:40 GMT
#4749
Actually I forgot that you don't protect against factional KP, doesn't matter much then and I think the shield is more useful
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 08:04 GMT
#4756
On November 29 2012 15:55 Promethelax wrote:
I'm out for the night. See you tomorrow.
gl town! Can't wait to see what you come up with while I'm gone.

Syllo: some comment on my case on GK would be appriciated.

Risk: please answer my questions.

Thanks and g'night!

I agree that his day 1 play in particular was extremely dubious and I and others have pointed out and agreed with some of the things you have said. His claim is a bit strange if he is mafia, although on the QT he seemed to forget at one point how his role is supposed to work.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 14:06 GMT
#4785
On November 29 2012 06:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 01:25 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:18 syllogism wrote:
I don't see why mafia would shoot you for massive damage on those two days, when their main priority should be eliminating semi-confirmed townies.

I can't believe you two were healing him anyway, but I perhaps he didn't believe it either. Hapa definitely shouldn't be on a team until this is sorted out.


Well both of those guys (clarity and iamp) have town reads on me, so the heals make sense from that perspective.

From what I understand:
Post-D1: I took 0 damage. Either iamp's claimed heal was completely wasted OR it nullified any damage directed towards me.
Post-D2: I took 100 damage. No one healed me (or no one has claimed so), and Toad claimed he shot me for 100.
Post-D3: I took 50 damage, and nl_clarity healed me for an undisclosed amount, indicating that I took more than 50 damage.


Okay so with the information we have currently this post is false. That's not to say Hapa lied, but he's wrong.
Namely the host saying this (at my request)
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 02:07 GreYMisT wrote:
IF you take 150 damage and are healed for 100 damage in the same night, you will be told

You took 50 damage

You were healed.


So regardless of how much damage you take, if you get healed you get notified of the heal.

This means there are a couple of possibilities:
1. Hapa is lying - This wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, regardless of alignment
2. Some ability made it so Hapa cannot be healed (either it was used both times or it is permanent/lasts a couple of cycles. (this would be a scum ability no doubt)
3. Some ability redirects abilities used on hapa to someone else (again, has to be scum or it would have been claimed by now)

I think the safe thing to say is that we should not be using heals or protection on hapa anymore, but it does not make him scum as far as I can tell. If someone can see a reason why hapa would be lying about getting healed by townies, please do tell.

Why doesn't him lying make sense? It's entirely possible that he lied about taking damage and didn't expect anyone would ever heal him or didn't understand how the mechanic works. He wouldn't be lying about not being healed, he would be lying about taking damage. I find 2) and 3) to make much less sense than 1). Why would mafia target hapa with such abilities when there were much, much better ones available? Basically only third party makes sense, but only really if it was a completely random ability.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 14:08 GMT
#4786
I suppose you can ask the host whether you get notified of being healed if you are at full hp. If the answer is no, then the above stands
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 14:52 GMT
#4806
If someone roleblocked Risk on d2 (?), claim. You don't have to claim anything else.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 15:09 GMT
#4815
Some things I learned while in the mason QT

He says he is Gato and he claims this in the first post of the QT. The QT flavor says the tent has a crystal ball.

He has only recruited people who he thinks are town, although he also claims there was some mutual distrust between GK and him until some undisclosed point. He claims he thought GK might have roleblocked due to his fearsome mason recruiting ability. He says he recruited me to get me interested in the game or something.

He says he can attack people in the QT, but apparently thinks it's better to invite people who he considers town rather than people who might be mafia.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 15:18 GMT
#4827
I'm fine with any combination of dieno, djo, keir, oats, me, clarity, iamperfection.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 15:30 GMT
#4834
My impression from reading the QT is that he seemed to want GK to treat him as town based solely on the fact that he is a mason recruiter. I'm not going to check time stamps, but I think he wanted GK nominate him as a party leader on day 3
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 15:31 GMT
#4836
On November 30 2012 00:29 Acrofales wrote:
@syllo, risk, GK: was anybody new recruited into the QT this cycle?

Dieno was recruited. Risk's justification was that he wanted to let him "share any information" in private before he dies.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 16:32 GMT
#4847
When I read the QT for the first time, my first impression of the conversations was that it was all an act by both parties although clearly more so by Risk. Now I'm leaning more towards just Risk. He says things like he is unsure whether his alleged roleblock prevented him from inviting Keirathi and that he was awaiting for modconfimation. If he was roleblocked and received a PM stating as much, how could he possibly believe that his mason recruit could have gone through anyway.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 16:34 GMT
#4850
Acro: did you ask mementoss that as well? He hasn't replied to my inquiry yet.

I asked him if posts said in blue can be relied to be true and then elaborate as to why I would like to know.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 16:48 GMT
#4862
On November 30 2012 01:42 risk.nuke wrote:
Syllogism's thought process. This role isn't a mafia role. And if this was a mafia role this is a very suboptimal way to play. But there is a crystal ball in the tent flavor so this is probably a huge ploy where mafia scum buddies goodkarma and risknuke are trying to sell themselves of as town.

And I didn't know if inviting someone counted as a roleblockable action. But hey thanks for outing my name... there probably will be no consequences.

It's an incredibly suboptimal way regardless of alignment and some of the things that were said by you were just mindboggling. It doesn't help that, of course, that I was suspicious of your play even before that so I'm interpreting everything through that prism. What kind of consequences do you expect there to be for outing a name of a minor character? You didn't even think it was important to keep it secret as you voluntarily divulged the name before anyone even had posted in the QT. We've had two major characters claim their names and neither of them has even been roleblocked yet.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 17:04 GMT
#4875
On November 30 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 01:48 syllogism wrote:
On November 30 2012 01:42 risk.nuke wrote:
Syllogism's thought process. This role isn't a mafia role. And if this was a mafia role this is a very suboptimal way to play. But there is a crystal ball in the tent flavor so this is probably a huge ploy where mafia scum buddies goodkarma and risknuke are trying to sell themselves of as town.

And I didn't know if inviting someone counted as a roleblockable action. But hey thanks for outing my name... there probably will be no consequences.

It's an incredibly suboptimal way regardless of alignment and some of the things that were said by you were just mindboggling. It doesn't help that, of course, that I was suspicious of your play even before that so I'm interpreting everything through that prism. What kind of consequences do you expect there to be for outing a name of a minor character? You didn't even think it was important to keep it secret as you voluntarily divulged the name before anyone even had posted in the QT. We've had two major characters claim their names and neither of them has even been roleblocked yet.

I don't know this is a heavily themed greymist game. For all we know there is third party out there who's objective is to kill me or someone else and now knows it's not me. Then there is the general always a downside to nameclaiming to prevent people from trying to mass-claim. For all we know at any point in the game the mafia can wipe out everyone who's name they know. So now it's your turn. Please, tell me the benefits of nameclaim?

You ignored half of the post but that's okay, I will answer anyway.

The name was required because it is suspicious when combined with the flavor provided in the QT. It could be completely meaningless, but it's still potentially evidence.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 17:32 GMT
#4902
On November 30 2012 02:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Syllo may I ask why you are not trying to run for the election? I think I know but I'd like to hear your reasons.

So I don't have to send a pm with the party
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 17:35 GMT
#4907
Did anyone claim RB this cycle?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 17:38 GMT
#4911
I'm not convinced, I'm suspicious. The QT can still in theory be useful and linking to it is definitely not useful.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 29 2012 17:44 GMT
#4920
VE did you get roleblocked last night
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