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On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote:
haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said)
do you believe Toad's role claim?
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On November 26 2012 08:02 marvellosity wrote:If by '10' you mean '12', then yes
I'm pretty sure I mean 10.
Kita: my role is not one use. There are some restrictions on when it can be used though.
Why are you the only guy with a town read on me in this game? what is it you think you see?
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On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough  I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote:
haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum.
five hundred seems to be close to the health of flipped players (~600), he could be vigged if he was dealt 500 damage (unless he is one of the way better characters).
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but 10 was at 10:05 so 10->12->14?
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On November 26 2012 08:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:11 Promethelax wrote:
but 10 was at 10:05 so 10->12->14? naw i think it was just because daypost or whatever you want to call it was late.
okay. We'll leave it again for another half a day until the next one pops up. Care to comment on anything that isn't pointless right now?
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On November 26 2012 08:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:14 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:12 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:11 Promethelax wrote:
but 10 was at 10:05 so 10->12->14? naw i think it was just because daypost or whatever you want to call it was late. okay. We'll leave it again for another half a day until the next one pops up. Care to comment on anything that isn't pointless right now? not if you're going to be a dick, no
not even being a dick (right now). But lets leave our speculation by the wayside and talk about how you feel about Acro who will 'negatively affect any party he is in' but doesn't believe Kier when he says essentially the same thing.
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On November 26 2012 08:15 Mementoss wrote:
I fucked up the day 1 vote count by the way
Specify please
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On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote:
haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum.
Hopeless (as town or scum) should know that his play style makes him look scummy. What he has done should make us (as a town) look into him. So no, the logic is sound to include himself as possible scum there. If he is town he knows that all he did was play badly but that bad play probably doesn't excuse all the people who played that badly.
Yeah, not sure what the deal is with VE. Marv, you know him better than I do, does vanishing fit either of his metas?
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On November 26 2012 08:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:37 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote:
haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. Hopeless (as town or scum) should know that his play style makes him look scummy. What he has done should make us (as a town) look into him. So no, the logic is sound to include himself as possible scum there. If he is town he knows that all he did was play badly but that bad play probably doesn't excuse all the people who played that badly. Yeah, not sure what the deal is with VE. Marv, you know him better than I do, does vanishing fit either of his metas? Not really. In the last couple of months he's had the habit of doing this more often. I know he's had TL issues at work, which makes it all the more surprising to me he's not making the most of a Sunday to contribute. He was very eager to join this game and now he's not playing it. I should add VE quite enjoys playing scum, so meh. It's just weird that he's not here to play at all.
My understanding of VE was that he is an active player as town or scum. (I think I've mostly seen games where he played with WBG though...) and he isn't the kind of guy I would expect to vanish ever. Though that does, in may ways, match his LC play.
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On November 26 2012 08:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:39 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 08:35 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:30 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 08:28 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
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naw, i just missed it. i'll have a proper look now. Z-Bo, although I'm inclined to be lazy right now because we have our lynch for tomorrow (presuming we have one) I would say from the tone of his posts Hopeless is probably town. We got our lynch and shit, but I really think we should focus on other reads. I disagree with you that he's town because of his posts alone, as I've stated he has shown quite some mafia mentality. Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this. What does that mean, all people on sand are confirmed town? I don't see where you're going with this. There's no way to know, yeah some scum probably bussed him and some probably didn't No. If you read the last page or two, I said I feel that sand was most likely bussed (ergo, toad). Phagga is giving gk a town read based on the fact that he didn't want people to vote for anyone other than sand or toad, and I'm not sure I agree with this logic. Scum most likely bussed Sand, therefore toad is scum.... There are a lot of reasons Toad is probably scum right now, but that is probably not one of them. As for Phagga's analysis on GK, he basically called him null by the end of it so.... don't read too much into it. Clarity you are not understanding a thing I say. Sand was bussed. Evidence of this is the fact that Toad, who is almost confirmed scum, voted for him. My point is I don't see what you're getting at, like at all. You asked marv is sand was bussed and he said "probably by some" So what's your point? You are pissing me off. Read the last three pages, ffs. I'm having issues with phagga's town read on GK, in which he implies that it's unlikely scum bussed sand in the way that a scum gk would have done, to which I disagree. yeah generally you two need to stop arguing about it because you're probably on the same page really the nub of it is that phagga is saying that given toad is very likely to be scum too, GK would be unlikely to be trying to make the vote between sand and toad, although I don't necessarily subscribe to this for the reason I said somewhat earlier (it was likely sandroba was going to die, so it's an easy opportunity just to bus other team-mates casually)
Do you agree with Hopeless about on of him/Zbo/Acro being scum and his reasoning and what do you think of Acro and his contradiction?
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On November 26 2012 08:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:46 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:45 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:39 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 08:35 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:30 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 08:28 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:
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We got our lynch and shit, but I really think we should focus on other reads.
I disagree with you that he's town because of his posts alone, as I've stated he has shown quite some mafia mentality.
Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this. What does that mean, all people on sand are confirmed town? I don't see where you're going with this. There's no way to know, yeah some scum probably bussed him and some probably didn't No. If you read the last page or two, I said I feel that sand was most likely bussed (ergo, toad). Phagga is giving gk a town read based on the fact that he didn't want people to vote for anyone other than sand or toad, and I'm not sure I agree with this logic. Scum most likely bussed Sand, therefore toad is scum.... There are a lot of reasons Toad is probably scum right now, but that is probably not one of them. As for Phagga's analysis on GK, he basically called him null by the end of it so.... don't read too much into it. Clarity you are not understanding a thing I say. Sand was bussed. Evidence of this is the fact that Toad, who is almost confirmed scum, voted for him. My point is I don't see what you're getting at, like at all. You asked marv is sand was bussed and he said "probably by some" So what's your point? You are pissing me off. Read the last three pages, ffs. I'm having issues with phagga's town read on GK, in which he implies that it's unlikely scum bussed sand in the way that a scum gk would have done, to which I disagree. yeah generally you two need to stop arguing about it because you're probably on the same page really the nub of it is that phagga is saying that given toad is very likely to be scum too, GK would be unlikely to be trying to make the vote between sand and toad, although I don't necessarily subscribe to this for the reason I said somewhat earlier (it was likely sandroba was going to die, so it's an easy opportunity just to bus other team-mates casually) Do you agree with Hopeless about on of him/Zbo/Acro being scum and his reasoning and what do you think of Acro and his contradiction? I don't feel that strongly about Hopeless' point. At some point sandroba was 100% getting lynched and so it would have been easy to get on his wagon. With Acro do you mean regarding being on the party / kei thing?
that is what I mean about Acro. Yes.
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On November 26 2012 08:54 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
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All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote:
haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. I don't think my logic is flawed. My reasoning is that at least one of myself, you and Acro have a good chance to flip scum because we all a) Showed support of sandroba for party leader and b) voted for someone other than sandroba to lynch Both actions are rife with mafia motive. The fact that I, a member of the town, fall into that group does not absolve the other people in the same group. You attempting to exonerate yourself in this way is scummy. I also find it scummy that you were unable to see what I was pointing out until after mementoss updated the votecount. Based on the timestamps, I think you had time to see the votecount, realize you were caught in a lie and needed a way out, so you jump to discredit my logic since the facts were made certain. a) Like a billion of people, including confirmed townies. b) Also meaningless, as sand definitely had mafia on his wagon. Also, using a logic that includes you in the scum group is necessarily bad, because I can use that same exact logic and say that I'm town, ergo one of you two must be scum. So, yea, very weak OMGUS. The thing about that is that I expect to die and I expect you and Acro to live longer than I do. In the event that both Toad and I turn up town, well...hopefully someone remembers this exchange.
wait...why is Toad coming up town? And why should we look at Zbo if that happens when there are two guys with claimed red checks on him one of whom has a pretty fishy check and the other of whom refuses to confirm if he can check other people.
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On November 26 2012 09:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:53 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:48 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:46 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:45 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:39 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 08:35 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:30 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 08:28 Z-BosoN wrote:
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No. If you read the last page or two, I said I feel that sand was most likely bussed (ergo, toad).
Phagga is giving gk a town read based on the fact that he didn't want people to vote for anyone other than sand or toad, and I'm not sure I agree with this logic. Scum most likely bussed Sand, therefore toad is scum.... There are a lot of reasons Toad is probably scum right now, but that is probably not one of them. As for Phagga's analysis on GK, he basically called him null by the end of it so.... don't read too much into it. Clarity you are not understanding a thing I say. Sand was bussed. Evidence of this is the fact that Toad, who is almost confirmed scum, voted for him. My point is I don't see what you're getting at, like at all. You asked marv is sand was bussed and he said "probably by some" So what's your point? You are pissing me off. Read the last three pages, ffs. I'm having issues with phagga's town read on GK, in which he implies that it's unlikely scum bussed sand in the way that a scum gk would have done, to which I disagree. yeah generally you two need to stop arguing about it because you're probably on the same page really the nub of it is that phagga is saying that given toad is very likely to be scum too, GK would be unlikely to be trying to make the vote between sand and toad, although I don't necessarily subscribe to this for the reason I said somewhat earlier (it was likely sandroba was going to die, so it's an easy opportunity just to bus other team-mates casually) Do you agree with Hopeless about on of him/Zbo/Acro being scum and his reasoning and what do you think of Acro and his contradiction? I don't feel that strongly about Hopeless' point. At some point sandroba was 100% getting lynched and so it would have been easy to get on his wagon. With Acro do you mean regarding being on the party / kei thing? that is what I mean about Acro. Yes. Looking back at Acro's filter I saw him attack Kei for his knowledge about his hidden success number, but I can't find him directly criticising him for saying it wasn't a great idea he wouldn't come with the party. If he did so please quote it because I missed it. Presuming Toad is scum for the moment, for Acro to be scum we'd have to get around the fact that Acro was the first one to really heavily accuse Toad of being scum and attack him for it. There seems to be very little need for a bus of that sort in that situation.
I think third party makes more sense, with a pro-town win con. maybe a survivor? Not that Acro was disagreeing with the conclusion he just seemed to have doubted the claim that Kier could know the lowness of his success value.
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On November 26 2012 09:01 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:55 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:54 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
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All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote:
haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. I don't think my logic is flawed. My reasoning is that at least one of myself, you and Acro have a good chance to flip scum because we all a) Showed support of sandroba for party leader and b) voted for someone other than sandroba to lynch Both actions are rife with mafia motive. The fact that I, a member of the town, fall into that group does not absolve the other people in the same group. You attempting to exonerate yourself in this way is scummy. I also find it scummy that you were unable to see what I was pointing out until after mementoss updated the votecount. Based on the timestamps, I think you had time to see the votecount, realize you were caught in a lie and needed a way out, so you jump to discredit my logic since the facts were made certain. a) Like a billion of people, including confirmed townies. b) Also meaningless, as sand definitely had mafia on his wagon. Also, using a logic that includes you in the scum group is necessarily bad, because I can use that same exact logic and say that I'm town, ergo one of you two must be scum. So, yea, very weak OMGUS. The thing about that is that I expect to die and I expect you and Acro to live longer than I do. In the event that both Toad and I turn up town, well...hopefully someone remembers this exchange. wait...why is Toad coming up town? And why should we look at Zbo if that happens when there are two guys with claimed red checks on him one of whom has a pretty fishy check and the other of whom refuses to confirm if he can check other people. *shrug* I don't want Toad to flip town, but I see it as possible despite the copclaims
could you explain why this is possible?
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On November 26 2012 09:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 09:04 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:02 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:53 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:48 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:46 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:45 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:39 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 08:35 Z-BosoN wrote:
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Clarity you are not understanding a thing I say. Sand was bussed. Evidence of this is the fact that Toad, who is almost confirmed scum, voted for him.
My point is I don't see what you're getting at, like at all. You asked marv is sand was bussed and he said "probably by some" So what's your point? You are pissing me off. Read the last three pages, ffs. I'm having issues with phagga's town read on GK, in which he implies that it's unlikely scum bussed sand in the way that a scum gk would have done, to which I disagree. yeah generally you two need to stop arguing about it because you're probably on the same page really the nub of it is that phagga is saying that given toad is very likely to be scum too, GK would be unlikely to be trying to make the vote between sand and toad, although I don't necessarily subscribe to this for the reason I said somewhat earlier (it was likely sandroba was going to die, so it's an easy opportunity just to bus other team-mates casually) Do you agree with Hopeless about on of him/Zbo/Acro being scum and his reasoning and what do you think of Acro and his contradiction? I don't feel that strongly about Hopeless' point. At some point sandroba was 100% getting lynched and so it would have been easy to get on his wagon. With Acro do you mean regarding being on the party / kei thing? that is what I mean about Acro. Yes. Looking back at Acro's filter I saw him attack Kei for his knowledge about his hidden success number, but I can't find him directly criticising him for saying it wasn't a great idea he wouldn't come with the party. If he did so please quote it because I missed it. Presuming Toad is scum for the moment, for Acro to be scum we'd have to get around the fact that Acro was the first one to really heavily accuse Toad of being scum and attack him for it. There seems to be very little need for a bus of that sort in that situation. I think third party makes more sense, with a pro-town win con. maybe a survivor? Not that Acro was disagreeing with the conclusion he just seemed to have doubted the claim that Kier could know the lowness of his success value. That's a reasonable doubt imo, given the OP states the number is hidden, and my role PM says nothing about my hidden success number. Overall I think town makes the most sense but I really want to know why he's so eager not to be brought on the mission.
Okay. Thanks for the read. Who do you think is the most likely scum after Toad (or instead of Toad); if you had a vig power who would you hit?
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On November 26 2012 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 09:04 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:55 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:54 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
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All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:
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do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. I don't think my logic is flawed. My reasoning is that at least one of myself, you and Acro have a good chance to flip scum because we all a) Showed support of sandroba for party leader and b) voted for someone other than sandroba to lynch Both actions are rife with mafia motive. The fact that I, a member of the town, fall into that group does not absolve the other people in the same group. You attempting to exonerate yourself in this way is scummy. I also find it scummy that you were unable to see what I was pointing out until after mementoss updated the votecount. Based on the timestamps, I think you had time to see the votecount, realize you were caught in a lie and needed a way out, so you jump to discredit my logic since the facts were made certain. a) Like a billion of people, including confirmed townies. b) Also meaningless, as sand definitely had mafia on his wagon. Also, using a logic that includes you in the scum group is necessarily bad, because I can use that same exact logic and say that I'm town, ergo one of you two must be scum. So, yea, very weak OMGUS. The thing about that is that I expect to die and I expect you and Acro to live longer than I do. In the event that both Toad and I turn up town, well...hopefully someone remembers this exchange. wait...why is Toad coming up town? And why should we look at Zbo if that happens when there are two guys with claimed red checks on him one of whom has a pretty fishy check and the other of whom refuses to confirm if he can check other people. *shrug* I don't want Toad to flip town, but I see it as possible despite the copclaims could you explain why this is possible? First off, I think it's way simpler for Toad to be scum. In order for Toad to be town, the most plausible scenario would be that scum framed him night 1 and acro faked his "1-shot role+alignment check". If Toad flips scum, awesome. If he doesn't, I have a problem with Z-Bo and Acro, and lets face it, I'm not winning that fight. Again, I'm covering my bases for the just in case scenario.
What do you think Acro gains by claiming that after a claimed cop already said that he had a red result on Toad?
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On November 26 2012 09:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 09:09 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:06 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 09:04 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:02 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:53 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:48 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:46 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:45 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:39 Z-BosoN wrote:
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You are pissing me off. Read the last three pages, ffs. I'm having issues with phagga's town read on GK, in which he implies that it's unlikely scum bussed sand in the way that a scum gk would have done, to which I disagree.
yeah generally you two need to stop arguing about it because you're probably on the same page really the nub of it is that phagga is saying that given toad is very likely to be scum too, GK would be unlikely to be trying to make the vote between sand and toad, although I don't necessarily subscribe to this for the reason I said somewhat earlier (it was likely sandroba was going to die, so it's an easy opportunity just to bus other team-mates casually) Do you agree with Hopeless about on of him/Zbo/Acro being scum and his reasoning and what do you think of Acro and his contradiction? I don't feel that strongly about Hopeless' point. At some point sandroba was 100% getting lynched and so it would have been easy to get on his wagon. With Acro do you mean regarding being on the party / kei thing? that is what I mean about Acro. Yes. Looking back at Acro's filter I saw him attack Kei for his knowledge about his hidden success number, but I can't find him directly criticising him for saying it wasn't a great idea he wouldn't come with the party. If he did so please quote it because I missed it. Presuming Toad is scum for the moment, for Acro to be scum we'd have to get around the fact that Acro was the first one to really heavily accuse Toad of being scum and attack him for it. There seems to be very little need for a bus of that sort in that situation. I think third party makes more sense, with a pro-town win con. maybe a survivor? Not that Acro was disagreeing with the conclusion he just seemed to have doubted the claim that Kier could know the lowness of his success value. That's a reasonable doubt imo, given the OP states the number is hidden, and my role PM says nothing about my hidden success number. Overall I think town makes the most sense but I really want to know why he's so eager not to be brought on the mission. Okay. Thanks for the read. Who do you think is the most likely scum after Toad (or instead of Toad); if you had a vig power who would you hit? Not sure. Someone in my 'not really done anything to make me think he's town' list. There are people on borderline I'd have to filter to make a call too. goodkarma/Adam/VE are in the not done anything to make me think he's town list. kita's in some space i'm not sure of. borderline players are people like hapa, Z-bo, iamp You're also in a special place as syllo thinks you're scum atm and I love me some syllo sheeping. I'd need to hear more from him on that though.
do you think Syllo has a valid point on why I am scum? My 'fake claim' .
And out of Adam/VE/GK is there a reason you'd pick one over the others or just a shot into the player who have done nothing?
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On November 26 2012 09:28 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 09:25 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:19 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 09:09 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:06 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 09:04 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:02 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:53 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:48 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:46 Promethelax wrote:
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Do you agree with Hopeless about on of him/Zbo/Acro being scum and his reasoning and what do you think of Acro and his contradiction? I don't feel that strongly about Hopeless' point. At some point sandroba was 100% getting lynched and so it would have been easy to get on his wagon. With Acro do you mean regarding being on the party / kei thing? that is what I mean about Acro. Yes. Looking back at Acro's filter I saw him attack Kei for his knowledge about his hidden success number, but I can't find him directly criticising him for saying it wasn't a great idea he wouldn't come with the party. If he did so please quote it because I missed it. Presuming Toad is scum for the moment, for Acro to be scum we'd have to get around the fact that Acro was the first one to really heavily accuse Toad of being scum and attack him for it. There seems to be very little need for a bus of that sort in that situation. I think third party makes more sense, with a pro-town win con. maybe a survivor? Not that Acro was disagreeing with the conclusion he just seemed to have doubted the claim that Kier could know the lowness of his success value. That's a reasonable doubt imo, given the OP states the number is hidden, and my role PM says nothing about my hidden success number. Overall I think town makes the most sense but I really want to know why he's so eager not to be brought on the mission. Okay. Thanks for the read. Who do you think is the most likely scum after Toad (or instead of Toad); if you had a vig power who would you hit? Not sure. Someone in my 'not really done anything to make me think he's town' list. There are people on borderline I'd have to filter to make a call too. goodkarma/Adam/VE are in the not done anything to make me think he's town list. kita's in some space i'm not sure of. borderline players are people like hapa, Z-bo, iamp You're also in a special place as syllo thinks you're scum atm and I love me some syllo sheeping. I'd need to hear more from him on that though. do you think Syllo has a valid point on why I am scum? My 'fake claim' . And out of Adam/VE/GK is there a reason you'd pick one over the others or just a shot into the player who have done nothing? I don't understand his points on you very well and some of it is based on setup speculation that i don't think is necessarily true ("this looks like a mafia ability"). It could be a fake-claim, it could not, meh. Out of those 3 I'd put Adam 3rd. Also I didn't say they'd done nothing, I said they hadn't done anything to make me think they were town, there's a difference. If I was a vigilante I'd probably shoot VE for his and Bio's combined lack of content, whereas at least GK is posting.
thanks and thanks. Do you think a ~5 man mafia team makes sense? If so do you think that there is a third party? I'm assuming both are true but I'd like some input.
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On November 26 2012 10:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 10:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
btw hapa, as far as general suspicion goes, have you seen what I've put forward recently? Yes, I read it briefly: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=166#3310Two things... 1) I really don't get that line of analysis. What about that particular voting pattern makes it likely for scum to have done that? You don't explain why scum would vote Sandroba then not vote to lynch him the next day as compared to other alternatives. I don't feel that it is a super-likely voting pattern. 2) Show nested quote +I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum. ...the fuck? Like I don't even understand this line of defense. You think you're "more likely to be scum" than Acro and Z-Bo? What. In. The. Hell.
what he is saying is that he thinks the rest of town sees him as more likely to be scum. If you read his posts in Draz's voice they follow an internal logic at least.
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