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On November 27 2012 09:23 Promethelax wrote: oh, and ## Vote: Dieno Gk, be a smart sheep. Lol I'm guessing this has something to do with how we assume gifts work, which is completely unconfirmed at this point... You're right. If there are in fact gifts each cycle maybe syllo isn't the best choice. But neither is a deino who is confirmed to be wittled down a sizable chunk of HP. ##Unvote ##Vote: Clarity | ||
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You stated clearly in thread that your participation lowers the party's success rate. Otherwise I would... | ||
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On November 27 2012 09:28 TheChronicler wrote: Why does Keir's modifier matter? We just keep using a winning team. Since we have absolutely no idea how success rate is determined, why take any unnecessary risks? Until such a time where the actual mechanics for determining success are revealed, I prefer to take what Keir has told us at face value... | ||
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On November 27 2012 09:33 Keirathi wrote: You do realize I was in the night 1 party, right? But we don't know if our chance of success was lowered by your presence that night. If your low success modifier as described in your PM is to be trusted, then bringing you this time around might not be the best idea. | ||
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On November 27 2012 09:40 Promethelax wrote: My reason for not wanting to do that, silly though it seems, is never trust GreYMisT. I think he'd have some way to force us not to use the same party and keep winning with it every time. Because otherwise mafia has to kill party members and can't focus on good players who aren't in the party/claimed roles they want to eliminate/their SK read But then again, if Greymist isn't going to let us lynch again, then mafia can pretty much do whatever the hell it wants... Let's set aside speculation if we can. The only thing we know is Keir has a low success modifier. And that is it... | ||
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On November 27 2012 09:41 Keirathi wrote: Wat...? It says ANY party that I'm in has a lower chance of success. That's pretty straight forward wording, and I (not should anyone else) have any reason to believe that it didn't apply day 1 for some unknown reason. So let's say (hypothetically) bringing you night one took us from 100% to 70% success rate, but you succeeded. But it could have been something like from 100% success rate to 10% to but you succeeded. Same outcome, but very different likelihoods of success... We can continue to speculate on this, but it just doesn't make sense to me why we should bring you today since we don't know that we'll have the same outcome this time around as last time with you in the party. | ||
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On November 27 2012 09:44 Promethelax wrote: Another reason I think Dieno makes more sense if there are rewards based on the player and not which quest they lead to victory he will get the masamune. Unless Greymist chose to disregard Chrono Trigger's max HP (and I believe this to be unlikely), 999 is the most Dieno has. Dieno has already taken in excess of 400 damage, and if he becomes party leader mafia will obviously target him. Given the amount of damage we've seen mafia is capable of, it is extremely likely that he would get killed in one night. Make Dieno party leader and even if he were to get the Masamune there is no way he'd have the chance to use it... | ||
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Did you get anything for being party leader this round? I'd certainly hope so given there's no lynch... | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Hapa Although I would highly recommend keeping only confirmed townies besides yourself in the party, if we're not going to be allowed to lynch we might as well take some advantage of the party mechanic we're given to help confirm additional town. | ||
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On November 27 2012 10:16 Acrofales wrote: I'm not strongly opposed to you going along. I still prefer Djodref or Chronicler. I see no reason for you to be leader, though. Whatever these events do, it might be worthwhile to scum to sacrifice one to fail the event. We don't seem to be getting many lynches and already have Toad's head on the chopping block. Is there really a big difference between him being party leader, or going in the party, if in the event the party succeeds he comes out confirmed town either way? That being said, I do feel Djo is also a strong choice for fresh blood to bring. | ||
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But please please please agree to send at least one new candidate in that we all can agree is very likely town. With the absence of a lynch, the party mechanic is all we have... Be back in a bit... | ||
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On November 27 2012 14:51 Keirathi wrote: Anyways, I've finalized my proposed party: Me, syllo, Oats, Djodref This is a party I find completely acceptable. Apparently no one else is too worried about your low success modifier... I'll cross my fingers and hope that the success determination mechanic is similar to what you've said + Show Spoiler + (I find it consoling that the more I think about it the more unlikely it feels that it's anything like what I proposed...) ##Unvote ##Vote: Keirathi Final answer. And in case you're wondering, the largest reason is satisfaction with your party selection. Confirming Djo as town is a good move. | ||
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On November 27 2012 17:27 Promethelax wrote: you are in this game. Don't you popcorn me. have an opinion, state it and play the damn game. should I claim my full ability etc. and why? Is Syllo being dumb on purpose? (no need for a why here, we'll find out eventually) You are in a better spot than I to know if claiming your role and abilities is appropriate. However, if Syllo is just going to RB you all game and you are town, that's two town whose abilities aren't being used well... Syllo definitely doesn't have a good read on you if he can't come to a conclusion on if you're scum without you role claiming. I could see it easily being the fastest way for him to determine if you're scum, but you also have 12+ pages of filter. I find it incredibly hard to believe he couldn't get a good read on you outside of your claimed abilities to date, even if you held back on your role information... But to answer your question: he's not being dumb. Enough said. And if the two of you are going to continue a petty exchange maybe taking some time to cool off would be best. There's a reason I popcorned. This has gone beyond being productive and devolved into OMGUSing... | ||
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On November 27 2012 17:45 Oatsmaster wrote: ITEMS MY BOY, ITEMS. Other than the fact that Djo defended you, which I think its his meta, is there anything else that makes you think he is scum? I think that Dien should be leader at least to see if he gets his sword back+if all town's healing is on him, he probably wont die You sure about that? Keep in mind he's heavily damaged, and Marv's reduce damage by half ability is gone. That's pretty huge... | ||
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On November 27 2012 17:58 Promethelax wrote: Dammit Syllo: I was about to accept that you had a good reason for your crazy tunneling which I could understand and we'd reconcile and wander off into the sunset holding hands or whatever. Now I'm back to thinking that you are crazy. If I full claim theoretically Syllo will back off and allow me to fully protect dieno from anything coming at him this cycle just as I intended to last cycle. I want dieno as the leader, Oats has confirmed that the reward was role based (I assume since he agreed with me that Deino would get Masamune), Syllo would you confirm/deny this as well please. So, just to be clear, if you do claim you could get Syllo off your back and convince him you're town? Now I'm a little confused, as this would seem to be best for us right now. I gave the noble "you know best" answer for claiming before, but honestly the ability you have already claimed is crazy op and if you are really town scum would be braindead not to RB or shoot you on a nightly basis. In this context, I can see where Syllo is coming from. Add to that that looking through your filter you seem moreso defensive than cooperative in trying to clear your own name in some spots. Hapa is right that you seem to kind of halfheartedly go after your scum suspects with no followup... It's clear that you aren't playing all that well if you are town. However, you outlined that you are going to have a different posting style this game. And some of your early posts seemed surprisingly opinionated to reflect a disinterested scum. And early interest in the game in fact seemed genuine to me... I've mislynched you once before and if you're town I'd hate to do it again  .However, I can see where those accusing you are coming from. I can't imagine how claiming your abilities would be detrimental at this point. You have made it clear to scum that they are powerful, so if you're town you should fully expect KP or RB being directed your way as long as you should live anyway... Claiming imho could only help you to clear yourself at this point in the game. In conclusion: I can see what others do as to why Prox could potentially be scum, but I don't get the strong scumread that syllo does. Knowing nothing about Prox and his circumstances, I'd say slight scumread. As it is, I'd say null read. It is very plausible he is scum, but there are stronger scum prospects to investigate in depth imho. Between Acro/TheChronicler/Hopeless which is scum? Coming to a conclusion here, as one of them is almost certainly scum, is a better use of our time in my opinion. This is where I personally plan to devote some time tomorrow. | ||
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On November 28 2012 06:11 Promethelax wrote: well stop being open to suggestions. Scum must have some influence on this game. Get your butt in gear and make one town read on your own. This. Your relationship map and bowl should help you on your quest. + Show Spoiler + And yes. That's sarcasm. | ||
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On November 28 2012 06:25 Dienosore wrote: Unless I hear the majority of people telling me to change my vote, I have chosen TheChronicler based on my town read. Why are you insisting that scum must have some influence? Are you perhaps threatened by the fact that you don't think your viewpoints aren't being heard or agreed on by the general populace? Enough so, that it makes you want to reinforce to the admitted new guy that scum are constantly lurking around, so you can verify to yourself that what you are doing is actually working? You should really stop making your anger at me because I just wont fucking die so obvious. So you're saying you don't trust your own reads, and consider scum (who you've gone to no lengths to spot) are automatically a non-threat? Please play some newbie games after you're done here, so a coach can teach you how to play... As for electing you leader I've been thinking that having a heavily HP-damaged town get a item would make him a strong mafia target, and by electing you we'd lose the item and a "confirmed town." But then I remembered that there are several "confirmed town" 10X more useful than you. It won't be an easy decision for scum to kill you, and I actually would rather have you die than them. To that end anything that could make you a stronger target than someone such as Syllo or Keir is something I'm completely for. ##Unvote ##Vote: Deino However incompetent I think you are, I also have a town read on TC, and am confident that the party you've proposed will succeed. | ||
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On November 28 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote: hey guys just caught up with teh threadzor so correct me if i'm wrong but we're picking dienosore to be party leader because he might get masamune? keirathi do you think it would help you at all to be the party leader instead of a party follower? also i think that hopeless is scum even though it turns out acro is 3p - some of the things that hopeless has done since being checked seem to me like scum in desperation like the whole thing about being on a party - this and hapa's thing and the chronicler all have done it - like i said to hapa before, i'm suspicious of anyone who says "put me in the party" instead of just relying on their townieness to be self-evident or whatever, because scum might have more information than we do and they might be starting to really want us to fail a mission some other stuff: like, seriously - what is the point of saying that last bit... then there's the fact that his response to a red check from tc was "bring it bitches" like, he answers the whole case point by point and then he doesn't address the check itself... tc's long case post was actually pretty bad, but after hopeless went through the case and answered it point by point, instead of actually addressing the dt check, he's just like "bring it" - that doesn't feel very town to me then there's this "im untargetable tonight" thing. i don't understand what he's trying to head off here - townies would use negative abilities on toad, and scum would use negative abilities on pretty much anyone other than h1 or toad. the only thing that seems likely to hit h1 is maybe another dt check, so i don't see how him making himself untargetable or telling us he's untargetable are helpful to town This case is pretty bad. The singlemindedness with which you push hopeless without any thought for how he could have town motivations for his actions is pretty suspicious... | ||
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