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On November 20 2012 07:22 CaveJohnson wrote: ##Attack with Wood Sword Victory - Find 200G Equip: Bronze helm Time to give a real mugging! ##Attack with Masamune Victory - 20000G I don't mess around  | ||
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On November 20 2012 07:38 CaveJohnson wrote: Not so fast. ##Slurp kiss Well played. ##Thanks hero host for putting this together so quickly. ##Stays at an inn. | ||
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But one quick thought as I come up to speed: obvious inexperienced townie >>>>>> than hard-to-read vet. Since voting in a mafia will work against us, this should be a no-brainer. And besides, said townie would have the opinions of the rest of town to go off of to choose their party. | ||
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On November 21 2012 12:16 Promethelax wrote: Clarity, i would agree with you if Hapa's reaction to Kier's questions had been what I expect from a town Hapa but it wasn't. My short list is a little bit shorter. Why would you vote anyone you don't have a town read on? Goodkarma: have you played any games since our Newbie Mini Misfortune? Hapa: what kind of player would get your vote? Not Kier, Not Marv...who? Keir: how many scum does it take to sabotage a mission? My guess is that even a single one will fuck us so a scum Marv would not need to pick any scummers. Yes. I had much better games after that. I hope there's no hard feelings for that particular game, as I played scum about as terribly as I possibly could clamming up when really saying just about anything would have prevented my early lynch. My other two games: In NMM XXIV: The hero that saved the town from a 5-3 MYLO to win the game. In LVII: Mafia suicide bomber. Could have played better but mafia got the win anyway. Rockband mini: I replaced out day one as scum. Never actually checked to see how it ended. Who I would nominate (if not myself): As of right now, my support for a party leader (besides myself) would be sandroba. Sandroba seems to be adopting a solid strategy at present. I wholeheartedly agree with going with the most townie individuals, even if they are inexperienced. We don't know how the minigames are going to work yet, but we do know with 100% certainty that scum will count against their success. In a game where we don't lynch, all we can do is establish who is actually town. It is absolutely ridiculous to nominate people who have both strong scum and town games and are hard to read day one (thinking of Marv). I also completely agree with the suggestion that's been brought up that parties be suggested by those who are hoping to be nominated up-front. This is especially important if we are to nominate a townie who isn't as experienced. Goodkarma for President: As your leader, I will do my best to further the policy of choosing the most obvious townies as detailed above. Along those lines, I would elect to choose both sandroba and promethelax for my party. The third is still tentative, as the game has only been going for a short time. | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:11 Hapahauli wrote: Why are you pre-determining who to include in your party right now? Certainly you couldn't have THAT strong of a town read on the both of them. Obviously, said party members could change. In a normal game, we discuss in detail our strong scum reads to pressure and determine who to lynch. This mechanic simply does not exist this game. Determining who is town is far more important than determining who is scum when selecting parties. I'm nominating those I currently have a town read on who I feel would contribute best to success for the minigame or whatever other thing it is our host has planned for us. And why now?: I would rather have an idea who it is that's going to be coming along upfront, wouldn't you? Think of them as my three vice presidential nominees. | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:17 iamperfection wrote: Why would you suggest prom he plays very good regardless of alignment from what i remember. I must admit that I haven't seen Prox's play since my newbie days. This is based far more on what I've seen in-game than from any "meta-read." I'm open to hearing any case you might have on his scumminess, but right now I see him as a town read. | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:36 Hopeless1der wrote: Greetings all. You'll notice that we're currently in 600 AD Guardia. You're also playing a themed game hosted by none other than Greymist. Please keep that in mind. (Hi Mementoss, you're cool too). Basic vote mechanics for this game seem to boil down to -identify town -vote town to lead the party -Profit -Kill Mafia/Lavos -More Profit What are people's thoughts on claiming that their character belongs to the 600 AD era and selecting the leader based on that. (YOU ONLY CLAIM "600 AD") Possibly selecting the entire party from within the era, assuming enough of a pool emerges. I linked Chronopedia above in case anyone feels the need to check it out. ~17ish native characters from 600 AD. I think our hidden numbers are influenced by the current era, and events can have varying degrees of success or failure depending on which specific players (not just town or scum) are in the party. Come play the setup speculation game with me please! No. Setup speculation is for chumps. I'd like to hear your thoughts on who we should choose for a party leader and why. | ||
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On November 21 2012 13:46 Hopeless1der wrote: Choose town. Win events. Kill Lavos. This has already been covered. I don't have any strong townreads yet. So in the meantime, I want to plant some ideas about how the setup works because you can bet your ass its going to matter. Of course it will matter. But talking about how certain deliberately hidden variables could or could not work that are outside our control is a waste of time. The one thing we presently can control is who we choose for our party, and that's where are focus should be. So please stop shitting up the thread advocating setup speculation. | ||
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On November 21 2012 14:27 Dienosore wrote: Look at it this way: I have no idea who any of you are, and none of you know me. Therefore, I can't abuse any preconceived notions or reads you have on me because they just dont exist. If I'm elected the leader, I promise to publicly consider every move before it happens. I will try to do so in such a manner that hopefully leaves no sour taste in anyones mouth. ![[image loading]](http://i49.tinypic.com/2141g6r.png) campaign poster lol If you're intent on becoming leader, your first step is to establish yourself as town. And talking only about yourself isn't going to get you there. I would like to hear about your policies for choosing people for your party, as well as if you were not to be elected which candidate you feel most comfortable about voting for and why. | ||
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On November 21 2012 14:29 Djodref wrote: I propose myself as a party leader I'm relatively new in these forums but I think I have good instincts to find the scum so I think I would be a nice party leader. If anybody would like to elect me as a party leader, I would like to let you know that I have usually correct reads on new town players. Right off the bat, I would have Clarity and Iamp in my team right now because they are as involved in this game that their usual townie selves. I don't know yet for the third member. Of course, these reads are subject to change but I would pick them if I had to choose right now. This is a much better post than dinosaur guy, but again: Who would you propose as an alternative if you weren't to get elected? We are going to go nowhere if everyone just votes for themselves. | ||
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On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote: It's anti-town to give scum information they can use. You just told scum your town read (assuming you're town). Now scum will value killing your town read higher than they would have. Way to go. This is a bit belated, but: while we give scum information from town reads, this can't be helped in this particular setup. We obviously aren't going to try to select scum in our parties, so anyone who is selected or a serious nominee is automatically going to be a high priority target. This isn't your standard mafia game, so I would recommend you stop treating it as such. | ||
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On November 21 2012 15:04 Keirathi wrote: Man, am I the only person who doesn't want to be party leader? Maybe that sounds scummy because "Keir doesn't want to be held accountable for his choices", but I'm certainly willing to say who I want to be party leader and who I would want in the party. Its just that I don't trust my ability to read people enough to put the final decision into my own hands :o Your opinions are still important  .Incompetent reads are far better than no reads at all. What's your current read on sandroba? | ||
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Are chosen party members kill-immune? If not, what happens if scum kill a party member? | ||
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On November 21 2012 15:30 Keirathi wrote: We don't even know anything about HOW the scum kills, other than it doesn't follow the traditional "1 KP = 1 dead". We have an HP value, and have no idea how much HP damage the scum can do in a single cycle, how they will do it, or who they can do it to. But we have HP. Scum must be able to remove it somehow. And if we have let's say a small hidden value score lead over scum, it would be important to know if scum can or cannot off people in the party to tip the scales against us. Especially if a medic-type role exists for town. I feel this is a very relevant and answerable question to ask the host. But I must agree with oats that outside of a response from him it's not a good use of our time to discuss further. | ||
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On November 21 2012 16:12 phagga wrote: I like Sandroba's plan, his logic is sound. However, I find it dangerous to derive a town read from it, nothing is stopping scum to put up this plan to get themselfes elected. Why is everyone asking for town reads? I understand that the mechanics are working differently, but everyone just spreading their townreads like the flu will only make it easier for scum to decide who to shoot at night. People like Keirathi and me who have no desire in being elected D1 should not be giving out any townreads, instead we can actually scum hunt in the traditional way and establish ourselfes as town this way. I even think that most candidates should not be throwing out their town reads unless they seem to be a serious candidate (meaning several people have voiced interest in voting that person). The reason we're not doing traditional scumhunting is because we don't have the power to lynch scum. Our time is best used determining who is most likely town, as we're (hopefully) voting for townies as party leader. I've touched on this a few times. Hopefully this is the last time clarification is needed. This game isn't about scumhunting. Rather, it revolves around townhunting. Hope that helps. I see a couple people have questions for me. I'll make a followup post for them within the hour and then I'm calling it a night. | ||
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I suggested that if I am not elected Sandroba is my current alternative pick for party leader. That should say something about my current read on him. But I will briefly recap: His ideas for how to produce a successful town party are ones that I agree with. That others apparently are familiar with his meta, and that he is either a strong town or weak scum player is icing on the cake. That being said, before I would place a vote towards him I would need to know which party members he would choose and why. @phagga: On November 21 2012 15:59 phagga wrote: Some things after finally catching up: -snip- You would vote Sandroba because you think his strategy is solid. His strategy involves taking less known townies on the team and no additional vets, to make it harder for scum to decide who to snipe. Your Strategy however would be to take at least one vet and a well known, albeit newer town player to your team. Why? -snip- I agree with Sandroba insofar as that lesser known players that are obvious townies should be strongly considered. However, at the end of the day, going with your three strongest town reads is going to be optimal for selecting a party. Unfortunately I, like several other players here, have somewhat of a bias at times towards prioritizing players that we have played with before. It could also be said that less experienced players are more likely to post like crap and not distinguish themselves as town than "vets" (look at deino). So there might be some unintentional bias towards vets (which is something I would try to avoid to the best of my ability). To be clear I will definitely be reassessing my read on Prox (as well as Sandroba) before making a finalized Vice Presidential Candidate trifecta. I don't feel it's absolutely necessary that all three chosen members are townie looking newbies. I feel that the chosen members should be closest to 100% confirmed town, and that newbies should not be left out of consideration. Maybe there is a small difference between myself and Sandroba in this area. That's good for my election campaign I suppose... | ||
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On November 21 2012 17:04 Keirathi wrote: Damnit, I was in bed and checked the thread once more from my phone and had to get up to come back and reply to this because of how vehemently I disagree. First: Notice that it says MOST OF THE TIME there won't be a lynch, implying that there will be a traditional lynch at some point (presumably on non-event days). Also: Notice the "If all mafia die." How exactly are mafia ever going to die in this game if all we do is townhunt the whole game? I'm going to guess they aren't going to get punished for being selected into the party (and actually, probably rewarded), so they won't be dying from that. So, that only really leaves 1) lynch whenever that's what we do for the day 2) town vigs shooting the scum and 3) third party having some sort of KP Both 1 and 2 require scumhunting. Also, scumhunting narrows down possible town reads. Basically I 100% disagree with you that the only thing we should be doing is townhunting. This is a good catch. I was under the impression that the party minigames would alter the fate of the game, and be our means for outing scum. It would seem there might also be a traditional component as well. It still, however, doesn't change the fact that whoever we choose it's going to be because we think they're town, and that they will automatically become a high priority for the scum team. We can't be as hesitant to share some town reads + Show Spoiler + (and I'm not suggesting, to be clear, people provide a full list of reads for every player or any other such nonsense) I should reword what I said, then, as follows.: Until such a time where lynching becomes an available option, we should be prioritizing townhunting over scumhunting as we choose our party leader and members. | ||
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