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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 23 2012 14:26 GMT
#1890
Mislynched

Damn you autocorrect
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 23 2012 14:28 GMT
#1891
I'm voting Sandra I don't Luke his ignoring Sylvia case yestersay
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 24 2012 15:36 GMT
#2381
On November 23 2012 23:29 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 23:28 strongandbig wrote:
I'm voting Sandra I don't Luke his ignoring Sylvia case yestersay


So you get to not be present in this game but not sandro ??
What the fuck with the double standards ?


I didnt vote him because he is afk. I voted him because he came back after syllo posted the case but he decided not to address it any further than saying "sorry that you think I'm mafia".

Also - the guy I'm visiting doesn't have wifi and I can't log in to his Ethernet so ima post as much as I can from Starbucks For the next hour or so
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 24 2012 18:09 GMT
#2455
Holy shit two hours to catch up to the thread this Starbucks probably hates me now

My lappy ran out of batteries so I'm on my phone now

Anyway it looks like two important things happened in the last 24 hours, quite strong cases on the chronicler and kitaman.

I think the most damning thing against the chronicler is the way he responded to the contradiction in his play by trying to pretend it didn't exist. There obviously was a contradiction between his plan, which would have had a bunch of people make town reads, and his contention that giving town reads is bad because it lets scum know who to shoot, but the chronicler tries to explain he wanted "strong reads but not town reads" or some such crap - I don't buy it. And instead of saying "yeah that is a contradiction, but here were my town motives for saying both of those things (which IMO should be the natural townie way to respond to that), he tries to say "there is no contradiction" by using silly semantic arguments. Only scum care that much about consistency, IMO.

The other important thing is all the suspicion on kitaman. Marv just posted a big case on Kita, so I'm not going to go through it in super detail right now, but what Marv said rings true for me.

That said, I'm happy with where my vote is now. While sandroba did respond to Syllos args (finally once he got to a million votes), he didn't address the central point - that he didn't care about finding scum. It's not about what he did it didn't say, it's about the attitude he took towards the game. Syllogism got a strong read on sandroba by analyzing his attitude across his day 1 posts. Reading Sandros filter yesterday with syllogisms case in mind it rang true for me, and nothing sandro said today makes me doubt that.

I also haven't seen anything out of hapahauli to make me really reconsider the previous read ("probably scum, not 100%") I had on him. However, I'm most confident about the outcome of a lynch on sandro right now.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 24 2012 18:11 GMT
#2460
I don't like the case on prone from hapa

I don't see the scum motivation, the case boils down to "this guy voted weird get him"
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 24 2012 18:14 GMT
#2463
On November 25 2012 03:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets bring the spotlight on some selected players.
1. Phagga.
His reasoning is really weak for voting for Kita as opposed to voting for either Syllo/Sand. Furthermore he is not comfortable of 1 of the players in the party, Prome. Why would town phagga vote for kita when he is not comfortable with prome?
If 1 scum is in the party, the party would fail, the thread thinks.
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 18:55 phagga wrote:
On November 22 2012 10:27 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Phagga
+ Show Spoiler +
on november something phagga wrote:
You are therefore assuming that one of the vets is town, is able to read sandroba as scum(my) and is able to convince town about it, necessarly against other vets who might be scum as well?

A couple of people have mentioned being familiar with his meta and being able to discern him scum from town. I am assuming that he is easier than syllogism to pin fdown, and according to my logic that I presented earlier (which no one seemed to want to discuss), I think this weighs heavier.
Personally, however, I'm not familiar with either of their meta, so I'm trying to take in consideration the town as a whole. I can always read his filter and previous games if the situation is Dire.



I'm not liking how you aren't taking a stance, though.

Here you outline this strategy:
On November 21 2012 16:18 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 16:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
Nice post phagga.
Do you have a strategy on picking the party leaders/party members?


I will pick a party leader who (priority in this order):

1.) I have a town read on
2.) Is good at reading people D1
3.) has a sound plan how to choose his team
4.) Suggests/chooses team members that I agree with

1 and 2 are a must, 3 and 4 are nice to have.


Saying that it's important you choose someone you have a townread on. Then, you seem a little hesistant to discuss town reads with other people, as (on a previous post you said) it makes it easier for scum to blend in. This post is an example of this:

On November 21 2012 17:02 phagga wrote:
EBWOP: I am aware that we have to discuss the people who want to get elected and that this will eventually lead to townreads in the thread. This is unavoidable. Nevertheless, I find it dangerous if people go around and ask for townreads from people who are not candidating and/or will probably not get elected. Also, asking for townreads when the game is not even 12 hours old is unnecessary.


So what I expect from you: go around interacting with town. This is pretty much what you do, fantastic. But now, game is much past 12 hours and you have yet to tell us your opinion on who you think is town and who you will be voting. Out of nowhere, you mention kita:

On November 22 2012 07:13 phagga wrote:
Acrofales, if you are around, i would still like to know why you do not consider Kita a serious candidate.


I'm very curious as to why you chose to comment on kita, out of all people. This seems utterly random, given your other posts. Also, you don't state opinions and you spend most of your time prodding around asking questions, but never saying anything conclusive.

Explain yourself, because I can't discern in which direction you are going in order to consolidate your vote.


I have not read all the posts yet, I just arrived at the point where Syllo addresses Sandro regarding unanswered questions here.

I have not named a candidate yet because I do not have a clear town read on one yet. I was leaning on Sandroba the whole time, and I also tend to think that Syllo is town. However, I only have a very rough idea on how these guys play scum, and I don't trust them enough yet. Also I don't like it at all that they are almost uncontested. As someone said earlier, mafia should have an interest at getting this spot too, and somehow I would expect some heavier resistance. Unless Sand and Syllo are both scum, of course, but Orcams Razor probably says no.

Kita was always in the back of my head because I liked his opening post. I was aware that he went MIA for a while, but I still thought that his candidature was serious. So when I realized that barely anyone talked about him, I thought I'd use Acros post to see if I could get some info on what people thought about him. Also, as I wrote earlier, I do think more competition is needed, and since Toad is out of the race, that leaves Kita as the most promising competitor to Sandro/Syllo. Regarding his proposed team: Dieno has claimed after I talked about the possibility to be 3rd party, and the way is behaving I think I could meanwhile accept him in the party, although there are other players that I would prefer. Prom is the one I feel really unsure about. I hope Kita thinks that one over. Nevertheless, for the time being, he gets my vote. ##Vote Kitaman

Goodkarmas candidature comes surprising, and I first liked his approach for the candidature. However, I voiced my suspicion of him yesterday, and his choice of Sandro for the team looks like a joke, as you can see in my questions to him.

I will be very busy today. I should be in the thread for sure in the last 2-3 hours before deadline. Hopefully I will be able to interact some more earlier.


However, other than this, his activity looks pretty town aligned to me. He shows interest in finding scum and his posts have good reasoning and logic.



2. VE.
This player is interesting because he replaced BioSC, a player who was VERY EXCITED before the game began but posted practically nothing and asked to be replaced out. VE was also really excited for the game, before he knew he was replacing in.
VE then posts a long ass posts with 2 scum reads which frankly are not very well explained. He then disappears.
I find this interesting because 2 excited players, suddenly become extremely quiet when they are in the game. Could it be related to their role? or their alignment. For now I think that we should keep an eye on VE, if he continues to be silent, I would find it very suspicious


This only works if the role is one both players dislike, ish about bioscience but I think ve is the rare bet who doesn't hate playing scum
Unless you thing they're 3partt?

Anyway Starbucks is closing so ill have to find more Internet.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 26 2012 19:35 GMT
#3754
On November 27 2012 02:16 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 02:15 Adam4167 wrote:
Yes, it is completely devoid of logic.


I imagine s&b also picked up on my breadcrumb from earlier:

Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 07:00 marvellosity wrote:
of course, i'm blates town.


STARSENSES

im back from the UK and there are like a thousand unread posts in this thread

i can only try....
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 26 2012 19:38 GMT
#3755
On November 26 2012 23:28 Djodref wrote:
Ok guys, just a quick comment regarding the last developments of the thread, I find that Prome is getting way too much heat for the all the role-related stuff. Arguments like "your role is imb4 for town, you must be scum" are wrong, just plain wrong.
Never trust Grey, right ?
Moreover, the events corroborate the story. So I don't see why we should doubt this at this point.

Regarding Acro, I personally think that he is taking too much heat, even if not wanting to be in the party seems suspicious at first sight. I would say it's role or ability related (his own ability or targeted by another player). And like, there are players whose behavior is not acceptable at all.

For example, let's say that Toad, VE, Adam and S&B are the mafia players left. They would have nothing do to and could just watch the town atmosphere rotten. There are too many damn lurkers and I hate this because we have nothing for or against them !

Anyway, I have decided to step up and I'm going to officially announce that I'm going to inflict some damage tonight, and it's going to be one player among iamp, S&B, VE and Adam. I have not been using this since the beginning of this game so it's gonna hurt. Be warned.

I would like anyone who is pissed off by their attitude (seriously Adam, you and your "I'm lurking and I assume" attitude, I hope that you are going to die tonight), to join me and to inflict some damage on these players. I'm on this for real and I would guess that some other players would have no problem to join me as well
Any ability you have to pressure the fucking lurkers (ie not using against the mafia), just use it against them, for the future sake of the town and also to teach them how to play.

Who is in ?



why does djodref keep talking about me... i wasn't lurking, i just couldn't access the internet
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 26 2012 20:05 GMT
#3762
oh ##vote: oatsmaster

that seems like a thing just now
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 27 2012 00:42 GMT
#3838
why not just use clarity as leader, why confuse ourselves right now with this weird modifier stuff when we don't need to
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 27 2012 01:01 GMT
#3868
On November 27 2012 09:54 Mementoss wrote:
Clarification, since Marvellosity died, half the party would be 1.5/3. There are no half people in this game. So technically only 1/3 of the remaining alive party can be taken for this party. That is all.


so if we want to only take people who "have been in a previous successful party" that means syllo, oats, clarity, dieno, and keirathi

oats, clarity, and dieno were all in the party this time and we can only take one of them so that means we have to add at least one new person

"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 27 2012 01:01 GMT
#3869
oh wow like fifty ppl all posted that at the same time
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 27 2012 01:05 GMT
#3876
On November 27 2012 10:04 TheChronicler wrote:
I may or may not have checked anyone this cycle. I will point to the most likely culprit were I not to have used popcorn and instead used a different ability.

200 gold Popcorn


what
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 27 2012 01:09 GMT
#3879
On November 27 2012 10:06 Hapahauli wrote:
I would like to run for party leader

My party will be Dienosaur, Kei, and either Chronicler or Acro
If you for whatever reason do not feel safe with Chronicler/Acro, I can add Oatsmaster in that slot.

Why you can trust me
I think the parties I proposed above are as near confirmed town as we can get in this situation. Given this player pool, you can trust me. Why? Because if we failed the mission, I would be holding a neon-sign saying "LYNCH ME." This is suicidal for me to do as scum.


i don't think we should be treating the party election like a dt check
given the relative number of parties vs lynches so far i feel like winning the events is the most important thing so i only want people who i think are town to be in the party
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 27 2012 01:10 GMT
#3882
On November 27 2012 10:07 TheChronicler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 10:05 strongandbig wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:04 TheChronicler wrote:
I may or may not have checked anyone this cycle. I will point to the most likely culprit were I not to have used popcorn and instead used a different ability.

200 gold Popcorn


what


How is this difficult to understand? The ability costs 200g. I didn't start with infinite gold. I have not received any gold since the start of the game.


yeah i get that

i meant the "point to the most likely culprit"
i thought since you said your ability was ineffective you were going to like guess who roleblocked you or smth

then i figured out what you actually meant
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 27 2012 01:12 GMT
#3887
so i'm voting keirathi

(*) idk whether there are goodies every time or w/e but if there is a chance of goodies spreading it out makes sense
(*) what i said above about hapa

##vote: keirathi

dieno you and oats can't be on the team together this time
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 27 2012 01:18 GMT
#3901
On November 27 2012 10:16 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 10:15 Promethelax wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:12 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:10 Keirathi wrote:
On November 27 2012 10:06 Hapahauli wrote:
I would like to run for party leader

My party will be Dienosaur, Kei, and either Chronicler or Acro
If you for whatever reason do not feel safe with Chronicler/Acro, I can add Oatsmaster in that slot.

Why you can trust me
I think the parties I proposed above are as near confirmed town as we can get in this situation. Given this player pool, you can trust me. Why? Because if we failed the mission, I would be holding a neon-sign saying "LYNCH ME." This is suicidal for me to do as scum.

I see no reason to put 2 non successful party members in the party today (You, and Chronicler/Acro). And, you couldn't replace Acro/Chronicler with Oats. The only possible way you could replace them would be with syllo.


Oh I totes confused names for some reason. Yes Syllo instead of Chronicler/Acro.

Whaddya think? I'm in a position where I'm not under suspicion, and I (as hypothetical scum) would only have everything to lose by presenting myself like this.


you have nothing to lose at all. Note how Toad confirmed himself as scum and is still around.

NO ONE VOTE TOAD!


Sure I would. A team of Syllo, Dieno, Kei would be basically confirmed town. If we failed the mission with me as leader, I'd be immediately outing myself as scum.

I'm only doing this because I indeed have nothing to lose since I'm town.


maybe scum can "decide whether to sabotage the party or play along"

maybe the scum team knows something we don't and is freaking out about our winning three in a row

never trust greymist man
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 27 2012 22:24 GMT
#4321
hey guys

just caught up with teh threadzor

so correct me if i'm wrong but we're picking dienosore to be party leader because he might get masamune? keirathi do you think it would help you at all to be the party leader instead of a party follower?

also i think that hopeless is scum even though it turns out acro is 3p - some of the things that hopeless has done since being checked seem to me like scum in desperation

like the whole thing about being on a party - this and hapa's thing and the chronicler all have done it - like i said to hapa before, i'm suspicious of anyone who says "put me in the party" instead of just relying on their townieness to be self-evident or whatever, because scum might have more information than we do and they might be starting to really want us to fail a mission

some other stuff:

On November 27 2012 12:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think we've decided that our Party leader is going to be one of our previous party members. Oats cannot lead. That leaves:
  1. Syllogism
  2. Keirathi
  3. Dienosore
  4. Clarity_nl
This could very well be the party that runs today's event.

Only one of Dienosore and Oatsmaster can be on the party due to setup restrictions.
Oatsmaster and Syllogism have already led a party before and have items to show for it.

I believe the leaders receive an item upon a successful mission completion. Either we try to pool resources to one player (i.e. syllo today) or we divvy up the spoils among as many players as possible while maintaining a successful party. I don't like the idea of powering up one player for a number of reasons:

Scum might be able to steal items
Items may be lost upon death
The player may in fact be scum

I'd prefer syllo and oats not be in the party at all because they currently hold items, but if we can't identify a 4th for the team, I'd pick dieno over oats and have syllo step in to fill the last spot.

My choice for party leader is one of Keir, Dieno and Clarity. As I've already stated, I'd like to be included in the party. If any of them are inclined to give me the 4th spot, I'd be delighted and they will receive my vote. In the meantime, I'm fine sheeping the current votelead on Keir.
##Vote: Keirathi

Also, I hereby state that I won't put a last-minute voteswitch onto Toad today, in case anyone suspects shenanigans.


like, seriously - what is the point of saying that last bit...

then there's the fact that his response to a red check from tc was "bring it bitches"
like, he answers the whole case point by point and then he doesn't address the check itself...

tc's long case post was actually pretty bad, but after hopeless went through the case and answered it point by point, instead of actually addressing the dt check, he's just like "bring it" - that doesn't feel very town to me

then there's this "im untargetable tonight" thing. i don't understand what he's trying to head off here - townies would use negative abilities on toad, and scum would use negative abilities on pretty much anyone other than h1 or toad. the only thing that seems likely to hit h1 is maybe another dt check, so i don't see how him making himself untargetable or telling us he's untargetable are helpful to town
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 27 2012 22:26 GMT
#4322
hmmmm
acro why did you decide to claim, i don't see it in your filter
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 27 2012 22:29 GMT
#4323
oh wait nvm i see it was just in case hopeless is town so people wouldn't be all like "lol you scummy scum" when you claimed third party after he flipped and then lynch you
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