I think there is factional KP that doesn't depend on how many mafia are alive and thus the last mafia isn't personally responsible for 300 damage. There are some unsolved mysteries and the last mafia being someone who has some KP and can in addition heal/hp check/shield makes some sense. Whether the last mafia can perform more than one action per cycle is the question as it's relatively likely that austin healed iamperfection.

Personally I think it's more likely for a role consisting of three different people to be able to perform more than one action per cycle than the role having different abilities depending on the time period.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 07 2012 16:47 GMT

#6796

This applies to a lot of people in the game, but if you are town and want to have other townies believe you are town, it would be helpful if you thought about your role and how you can get most of out of your role. This generally means not role claiming for no reason, not using inferior abilities (75 hp shielding vs 150 hp healing), not forgetting to send in actions and not using abilities that are inherently anti-town (flamethrower in most circumstances).

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 07 2012 17:01 GMT

#6799

I don't know if you have a 300 nuke. Can you try to explain why you thought using a 75 hp shield is better than a 150 hp heal? I realize that claiming the role you did as mafia makes very little sense, but then again S&B managed to claim something that is even more damning.

It also makes sense to me for mafia to have some sort of hp checking ability and none of the flipped mafia roles had any. I also can't explain how Prom took 25 damage when I hit him for 75, unless someone messed with the damage (shielding?).

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 07 2012 17:20 GMT

#6801

Kitaman I would like you to explain your role a bit more. I would particularly like to know how much mp you have available on average and how much you gain every cycle. What is your max mp? What did you do last cycle?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 08 2012 08:26 GMT

#6861

Kita really you roleblocked Drazerk again? Should have made you coordinate as that's just about the worst block you could have made. Did you think he is mafia? We don't even have to kill third parties to win.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 08 2012 08:31 GMT

#6862

Oats you need to claim your targets and the damage you inflicted for every cycle.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 08 2012 09:29 GMT

#6863

Oh you already said you have. Anyway, if anyone has any unclaimed actions at all, they should be claimed.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 08 2012 09:36 GMT

#6864

Austin can you tell me what happens if you are hit with mafia factional KP? Can you still counterattack?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 08 2012 13:03 GMT

#6871

Only goodkarma and risk claimed and goodkarma didn't claim his name. Even if he had, SnB could only target one person per cycle and there were higher priority targets

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 08 2012 14:22 GMT

#6878

Kita: you had already blocked drazerk on n7 and I took so much damage on n7 that it pretty much had to come from more than one source. Anyway, I'm mostly annoyed that the game is still going on even though it seems clearly that mafia can not win this. Mafia should concede

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 08 2012 15:14 GMT

#6886

I can't make any sense of some of these night actions/claimed damages unless more than one people is lying, there are some hidden mechanics or there have been a bunch of mod errors. If austinmcc isn't lying about shielding hapa/keirathi, when and how did they take 75 extra damage?

Why did me and Prom take 420 shared damage (420-250 = 170, which is a strange number)? Why did it take greymist multiple attempts to get the number right?

Why did Prom take 25 damage instead of 75 when I shot him?

Why did mafia shoot hapa on n2 for 100 (or 175?) damage?

Why/how did I take 50 damage on n1, since Prom was seed shielding me? Did mafia use 50 factional KP for fun or was Kita's shot on Drazerk randomly reflected onto me?

How did Clarity take ~400 damage (if he started with 900 hp) last night even though it should have been less than that due to risk being dead? Is it because we were in a different time period?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 08 2012 15:18 GMT

#6887

Phagga having an ability that targets two players (players A and B) and makes him use a random ability that player A has on player B could explain some of the strange things, maybe

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 08 2012 16:31 GMT

#6892

On December 09 2012 01:28 phagga wrote:

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Yeah right and perhaps you know your hidden modifier is actually positive although you are mafia and you therefore have some sort of godfather-role for party events, and are actually the last scum. (no, I do not mean that serious).

Speculating about how my ability could actually work because you do not want to trust me/think I am lying is the worst way to try to find scum, just saying. You can make up any fantasy ability that fits the holes with the night actions, and assign it to me, but that does not make it real.

My vote is on austin and it's unlikely to move. I'm just trying to make sense of the actions and game purely based on the claims. I would like to solve the game based on claimed night actions alone, but it doesn't seem possible even though it should be.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 08 2012 18:05 GMT

#6897

How do you propose mafia <person> could win the game no matter what he does?

Actually I think you were a weird target for a town healer because you were essentially at full health already and main healers were instructed to heal me. Healing Clarity would have been townier because he had taken a lot of damage recently.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 08 2012 20:08 GMT

#6906

5 players haven't voted and there will apparently be no more warnings for non-voting. Please vote austin.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 08 2012 21:16 GMT

#6925

What is the solid analysis austin has offered us? All I can see is him talking about people who even mafia probably thought are third parties (drazerk/acro) and a lot of role speculation? I can't particularly fault him for latter, but his defense is completely different from the spirited one he gave in Paranoia mafia.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 08 2012 21:25 GMT

#6928

That doesn't read like a real case to me and it's conveniently about the only person who we can possibly lynch over him. Does he truly think think that "vote limping" on mafia is indicative of someone being mafia in this game considering mafia bussed sandroba, there was a red check on toad (and s&b basically) and risk wasn't even playing? What reasoning should he have contributed exactly? Were other, town aligned people "guilty" of this too (the answer is yes).

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 08 2012 21:36 GMT

#6932

No, I mean the only player we are willing to lynch today, not the only person who can possibly be mafia.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 08 2012 21:48 GMT

#6934

It's absolutely fine to think phagga is mafia and it's certainly easier for you as you know your own alignment. He can very well be mafia and I don't particularly care who we lynch first as the remaining person is going to get roleblocked anyway. The point was I don't find your case on him alignment indicative. If I had time or will to compare your posting in this game with some other games, perhaps I could tell.

This game is just too long and it's getting more and more difficult to care. Why can't it just end already, who is tormenting us for no reason at all