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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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On December 03 2012 10:34 Promethelax wrote: in a normal mafia game that makes no sense. In this one I'm not so sure, getting major distance from each other and leading/getting into parties seems like the way for mafia to win. Boy do you have your conspiracy-theory thinking cap on. | ||
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Hapahauli
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The "meta read" from what I've gathered seems to be this: I'm active as scum and town, but I'm less active here. Therefore people are confuzzled. On the one hand, I understand that, but on the other hand, players seem to be going to lengths to stretch their imaginations to make sense of my actions from a scum perspective. Like Promethelax's post regarding my early game pushing of Toad: On December 03 2012 10:34 Promethelax wrote: in a normal mafia game that makes no sense. In this one I'm not so sure, getting major distance from each other and leading/getting into parties seems like the way for mafia to win. Like how many freggin assumptions are in this post? 1) This mechanics in this game are sufficiently different enough for "scum-hapa" to completely defy sane mafia strategy as defined in normal games. 2) That missions are paramount to the success of scum. Perhaps they are, but we have no information to the fact yet. In fact, Toad's flipped ability (summoning lavos early by gaining points from mission failures) could be the only scum benefit from missions for all we know. I could go on, but all of this is just ridiculous. /rant | ||
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Hapahauli
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On December 03 2012 11:20 Promethelax wrote: Haps, the mechanics in this game are different than in a normal game. We win by defeating lavos, not by lynching all scum. Therefore it does not hurt scum the same way to lose members. I think (though obviously am not sure) that scum could gain a great benefit by busing their teammates super hard early game to get on the party. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge this difference from a regular game is worrying to me, you are a smart guy and the fact that you are not being paranoid about this game doesn't sit well with me. Oh please. You act like lynching scum isn't a major objective of the game. If you think a double-bus is a viable strategy as scum on day freggin two... I dont' care if it's a heavily themed game - I'm at a loss for words. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On December 03 2012 11:35 Promethelax wrote: double bus when we didn't have another lynch for three cycles and you get to make these arguments...makes sense to me. Sure I'm paranoid because of how I think scum should be played and I usually suspect better players of being scum just by virtue of being better players. Look, you and Imp and I are shitting up the thread and it is time to stop it. If we are all town (imp is in my town column and you could be town) we need to step it up and instead of chasing each others' tails get back to the business at hand. Hapa, why is Phag the most scummy player in this game? I've outlined it. He's blending in. He's doing incredibly non-controversial things and hasn't been scumhunting. Day 1: He does nothing, shows some weak reasoning for supporting kita, then sheeps the vote on Syllo at the very end of the day. Day 2: Same pattern. He throws suspicion on CaveJohnson (whom he never made a case on), builds a nonsensical case on GoodKarma, then sheeps the vote on Sandroba at the very end of the day. His later days have been much the same - he's done barely any scumhunting, and whatever "scumhunting" he does is really weakly reasoned, nonsensical, and fluffy. What in his filter makes you think he's town? | ||
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Hapahauli
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On December 03 2012 11:35 Promethelax wrote: double bus when we didn't have another lynch for three cycles and you get to make these arguments...makes sense to me. Sure I'm paranoid because of how I think scum should be played and I usually suspect better players of being scum just by virtue of being better players. Look, you and Imp and I are shitting up the thread and it is time to stop it. If we are all town (imp is in my town column and you could be town) we need to step it up and instead of chasing each others' tails get back to the business at hand. Hapa, why is Phag the most scummy player in this game? I'M FUCKING SHITTING UP THE THREAD?!?!?! I'm trying to defend myself against retarded suspicions against me. I'm practically banging my head against a wall trying to rationalize how the hell you think my actions on D2 can even be rationalized from a scum perspective. Hell you just made another nonsensical assumption - that somehow I would have known that we wouldn't have a lynch for 3 cycles. Give me a break. | ||
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On December 03 2012 11:46 Promethelax wrote: thank you for proving my point. We, as a whole, need to stop this. Yes, you are shitting up the thread. Now stop it. VE=scum. Why the fuck should I stop? I'm showing you things in my filter that should strongly show that I'm town, but you're dismissing them on insane assumptions and conspiracy theories. I'm not going to stop unless you stop being retarded. | ||
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On December 03 2012 11:50 Promethelax wrote: Because VE has done something no townie VE would do. He has waited for others to make cases and made his own cases to sheep those. He also listens to the cases of the people he thinks are scum. (He had Hapa as scum but Hapa made a case on me so I was scum. I made a case on GK so VE made a case on GK). VE=Scum. Well the problem is that "sheeping" can be attributed to other things here. Being less active or even just catching up with the game can lead to what you're describing. I'm kinda interested to see how he replies, but overall I'm hesitant to draw conclusions from what seems like really really uncharacteristic behavior from him as either alignment. | ||
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On December 03 2012 12:01 Promethelax wrote: No, no no. You don't get it. A town VE would be direct and say lolol no idea whats going on dude over here seems scummy. It is the way he asks to be forgiven for not reading the thread and only makes easy cases on players who already have cases on them which says scum. So a personality difference then? Yeah I can see that. I'll look through his filter a bit. | ||
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On December 03 2012 12:12 Keirathi wrote: VE just flipped scum in Paranoia and didn't do any of those things, so meh. Yeah I'm with Kei on this one. His personality is different from both his town and scum metas. If this weren't VE, I'd find his behavior really scummy. However, it's VE, and this is so different from anything I've seen from him. | ||
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On December 03 2012 12:33 Promethelax wrote: Kita: please tell us VE's actions. Hapa, Kei, I'll bow to you both on this one as having a better understanding of VE than I; however I still find him scummy and I'l unvote him if/when he provides something. Austin: I don't really like how you popped in to defend VE and vanished again. Nothing to add? I've never played a game with VE (other than Liquid City, in which we never talked to each other), but from what I've /obs'd in his games, his typical scum-games are really wild. Mad Men mafia is a pretty good example. | ||
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On December 03 2012 15:34 syllogism wrote: And yes, one (or more) of the main characters is almost certainly mafia unless you think the game can be won on day 1 with a mass claim. Hapa should claim all his abilities and actions tomorrow. I don't see what good it does, but it doesn't do much harm either I suppose: 1) Flame Resistant Coating - I prevent all fire damage to a target for two cycles (the cycle used and then the next one) 2) Flamethrower - I do 100 damage to my target, followed by 75 damage to his/her target, and 50 damage to the target's target. Night 1 - Used Flame Resistant Coating on myself Night 2 - Used Fame Resistant Coating on Marvellosity Night 3 - Flamethrower on Toadsstern Night 4 - Flamethrower on Toadsstern Night 5 - Flame Resistant Coating on nl_clarity, but roleblocked Night 6 - Flame Resistant Coating on nl_clarity, but roleblocked Notable on Night 3, is that the only person who claimed to take exactly 75 damage was Hopeless. Toad could have very well targeted someone else (perhaps someone who took a bundle of damage). Night 4, a bunch of people took 75, so no help there. Night 5 is relevant in particular, because Syllo, you mentioned that you have some sort of RB+Tracker role. However, I did attempt to protect clarity, so I'm not sure what happened there. Perhaps I was roleblocked by another player, but that's what I attempted every night. On December 03 2012 15:09 syllogism wrote: Hey guys S&B attempted to visit Djodref This is pretty lynchable. ##Vote StrongandBig | ||
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On December 03 2012 15:52 syllogism wrote: Flamethrower is incredibly anti-town even with the potential to track actions. Also you know toad flipped a role that had a night action to inflict 100 damage, so shouldn't you have been looking for players who took 175 damage and not 75?! Well yes that does make more sense lol. For some reason I didn't account for Toad's ability in my notes. Go figure. But yeah Flamethrower is pretty neutered damage ability. That's why I've been pretty hesitant about using it. | ||
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On December 03 2012 16:50 syllogism wrote: Hapa I can symphatize if you really took 50 damage, thanks to your flamethrower, on the night that clarity healed you, but your damage occured after all the other actions, so you weren't healed. I can see how you could consider that a mod error even though it may not be. Going to wait until S&B flips until attempting to figure out whether what Prom just said makes any sense I talked to GreYMisT and he explicitly said I received the wrong PM. He said I took no damage on that night, and should have received a message stating that I was healed. It's straight-up mod-error, and not my perceptions of what transpired over the night PM's. Anywho, I'm probably going to punch a hole through my wall if I have to talk about N3 role PM's any more. G'gnite. | ||
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On December 03 2012 23:10 Promethelax wrote: Actually. Okay. So I am pretty mad about hosts not PM'ing me for half the cycle but i think that proves my earlier point, they saw me blundering around the thread saying fucking stupid things because I didn't know that my seed was activated and they sent me a pm. They didn't do that for Hapa for multiple cycles because they assumed he was lying for a reason. Hapa=scum, VE=scum, SnB=scum. GK might just be bad. He is downgraded on my list of scum reads. Making insane assumptions when it's convenient for you isn't scumhunting. It's called having confirmation bias. So basically you're calling me scum based on host WIFOM. That sounds legit. I'd still like to point out that there still isn't an actual case on me beyond this crap. Apparently no one can find anything in my filter that makes me scum. Conclusion? I'm somehow scum 'cause uhh..... HOST WIFOM. Excuse me while I hit my head with a brick. | ||
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I don't think syllo is lying, but as stated previously, I did attempt to protect nl_clarity. The only way I can think of how this works is if I was roleblocked by another player. On December 04 2012 00:08 syllogism wrote: Absolutely, I didn't mean to criticize your choices so far. 1However, you should read Hapa's claim again to see if it makes sense, even if you don't find a problem with the rest of his play. He claims his ability does 100 damage to the person he targets and then 75 to the target of his target and finally 50 to the next in the chain. He claims he targeted Toad twice with this amazingly towny ability, even knowing that Toad has a damaging ability. Essentially he says he inflicted 100 damage on someone he thinks mafia (Toad) while at the same time not caring about the fact the rest of his damage would likely hit town (125 overall). 2He also never attempted to figure out who Toad had been targeting with his 100 damage draining ability, as evidenced by the fact that today he was still under the impression that Toad's target would have taken 75 damage (instead of 175, since Toad's own ability does 100 damage). 1) I didn't know Toad had a damaging ability. I weighed the risks and rewards of getting rid of toad early (and thus allowing more discussion on scumhunting - did you not see ALL my rantings on the subject earlier in the game?) vs. collateral damage. I firmly believe I acted in the best interests of the town in shooting toad. I really dont' care if you disagree. 2) I did attempt to figure it out. All this proves is that I had a brainfart. | ||
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On December 04 2012 00:37 syllogism wrote: So hapa can you shoot VE this cycle Can do | ||
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