If mafia is actually trying to win the game, someone like Hapa has to be mafia. Toad's play has been pretty passive and I think he would have attempted to take more control if only sandro and him were in a position to do so. Hapa initially supported sandro and then made a last ditch attempt to get elected on day 1. He wasn't too keen on a sandro lynch on day 2. He again tried to run on day 3 although he flip flopped on that almost immediately.

When I look at the pool of players who can still be mafia, him makes most sense in terms of overall picture and it would be foolish to dismiss the healing issue.

This is also why I thought acro might be mafia, because he was one of the few people who seemed like he was trying to establish control on day 1 and 2.

syllogism

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November 30 2012 20:47 GMT

#5256

Also I find it quite suspicious that Toad claimed having shot hapa. It didn't make sense for mafia to shoot hapa and claiming the shot in his position probably made even less sense unless it was to give hapa town cred.

syllogism

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November 30 2012 20:57 GMT

#5259

Mafia knows how much KP they have. So far they have managed to flip one person. Also there is no way the game is balanced around mafia winning the game through just night killing people. On the contrary, the big assumption is to believe that in a game that appears to revolve around whether these missions succeed or not, mafia could win without contesting these elections at all.

syllogism

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November 30 2012 21:14 GMT

#5264

I'm not arriving at him just due to process of elimination, not that there is anything wrong with process of elimination, and stating that "they are both assumptions" is a meaningless statement as one of these "assumptions" is much more likely than the other. Greymist says he feels the setup is "very balanced" and the only reasonable interpretation of that means that mafia has to contest elections to have a decent chance at winning. These elections are the part of the game where we are actually playing the game of mafia rather than just night action roulette.

syllogism

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November 30 2012 21:31 GMT

#5270

No one really is by this point. I'm not disputing the fact that mafia realizes that they can not do anything right now. No one is making any attempts, because it's not possible. I'm not convinced that he is mafia, I just think it is likely. Doesn't matter much though until we get our next lynch. I will say that I would rather include some of these lurking players in the party than him.

syllogism

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November 30 2012 21:52 GMT

#5279

Perhaps they shot me day 2 and your protection stopped the damage or they just assumed that I would be protected every cycle. Either way I agree that mafia KP usage has been terrible based on what we know.

syllogism

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November 30 2012 22:27 GMT

#5285

Has the party been submitted

syllogism

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December 01 2012 00:02 GMT

#5323

I took 265 damage

syllogism

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December 01 2012 10:08 GMT

#5431

I received two corrections to the damage I took and I actually took 210

syllogism

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December 01 2012 10:31 GMT

#5432

Also I don't believe hapa's claim about a host error. They have been reading the thread and there is very little doubt that they have known about the issue for quite a while. It wouldn't have taken this long to notice the problem. Greymist even answered a question regarding how damage and healing is displayed in PMs when we were discussing hapa's missing PM.

If you are mafia, which I think is likely, I think it's pretty cowardly to attempt to hide behind a host error. You could have asked him about how healing mechanic works, but did not. Furthermore, I think any major, game affecting host errors should be acknowledged in some manner.

syllogism

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December 01 2012 12:19 GMT

#5442

On December 01 2012 20:06 Acrofales wrote:

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Funky shit.

This means the healing notification mechanics may be different than we thought. I find it very hard to believe VE OR TC would be dumb enough to lie about healing at this point.

Either that, or there is some kind of action redirector that is severely screwing with our minds. However, if it is targeted I can think of no sane reason to use that on Hapa and TC rather than high profile players who you'd expect to get healed (Syllo, Marv, Dino).

If VE can't actually heal, his only only real options were claiming RB or claim healing TC. I think every believable target has claimed receiving damage and out of those town trusts TC least. I think VE should claim all his night actions so far. Role claiming a healer when you aren't one is very risky for mafia though, we'll see what happens with his next few actions.

syllogism

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December 01 2012 15:33 GMT

#5457

Do you know this for a fact Oatsmaster?

syllogism

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December 01 2012 15:50 GMT

#5464

Oats can you just claim what you know or don't know? You are already a mafia target and if S&B is mafia they certainly know that you have some sort of ability

syllogism

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December 01 2012 15:58 GMT

#5466

Well he claimed using an ability on you and I've an idea what it might have done

Strongandbig you might as well claim what it was

syllogism

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December 01 2012 17:50 GMT

#5476

On December 02 2012 02:32 strongandbig wrote:

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I increase my target's max hp by 300 and damage them by 250.

This ability can fail under certain conditions. On oatsmaster it succeeded.

I also claim the 1 hp damage on drazerk, i have a troll ability with 99% chance to do 1 damage and 1% chance to reduce target to 1hp.

also voting grab sword and oatsmaster, seems the most reasonable thing atm

That ability makes no sense and using it makes even less sense. Why did you think using that on Oats was a good idea?

syllogism

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December 01 2012 18:04 GMT

#5480

Okay so why did it take you until N4 to use this ability? Why did you use your "troll" ability on drazerk before that?

Oatsmaster: can you ask Greymist what your max hp is, thanks

syllogism

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December 01 2012 18:11 GMT

#5483

Dianosore: if you had taken 300 less damage on day 1, would you have required saving from death on N4? Does this math sound plausible?

syllogism

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December 01 2012 18:19 GMT

#5485

What is the condition? You can only use it on a person who is in a party and you have to know their character name?

syllogism

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