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On November 15 2012 03:23 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 03:21 debears wrote:On November 15 2012 03:19 Hapahauli wrote:On November 15 2012 03:16 debears wrote:On November 15 2012 03:13 Hapahauli wrote:Geezus christ you actually buy that shit BH? Good lord you're better that. WOWOWOWOWOWOW
Hapa is going after someone "scumhunting to hard' instead of not scumhunting, despite his list of rules. What's the #1 thing you look for Hapa? OH YEAH SCUMHUNTING DOH.
2) I pointed out 5 other players because it makes no sense for you to attack me for "scumhunting too hard" when we have 5 lurker-doodles who aren't contributing, at least up to that point
3) Check my meta on why i'm questioning you. I question people who vote me for dogshit reasons.
Honestly, I think Hapa and Hopeless are scum I'm going after debears because he's NOT scum hunting. HE IS NOT VOTING FOR HIS TOP SCUMREADHe half-assed pushed Hopeless, put his vote on him, then tunneled the hell out of iamperfection without ever making a commitment. Where in the fuck do I even mention "scumhunting too hard?" That isn't the damn premise of my case. You're deflectionary, your voting makes no sense, and now you're voting for your attacker + lynch-bait. Die scum. The premise of your case is that you ASSUME that iamp was my top scumread when my top scumread was afk. Why wouldn't I fucking push someone else while he's all afk? Hapa's way better than making a case off bad assumptions It's not an assumption. I outline really clearly why that's not the case. You half-assed tunneled Hopeless, softballed him questions, and somehow are calling him your top scumread. You tunneled the motherfuck out of iamperfection and explicitly stated you saw no town motivation in his actions. Yeah that's fucking town debears right there. Yeah it is. lecturing brah is something I hate as town. Look at my last game ffs. your meta reads off on me. Or you don't have one. Idk which What is with this meta read shit? None of this has to do with meta. All of this has to do with you not being able to keep your story straight. Hell your two scumreads right now are a) the person attacking you and b) the top lynch-bait in the game. You made these two reads the second traction started forming on your lynch. Optimal scum strategy in this situation. Coincidence? Naw.
Hey guess who was first on hopeless <<<<<<This guy
Second, I find your reasons dogshit. You're a good town player. You aren't showing it right now. So I think you're scum
Hapa, you like using meta in your reads, yet you don't want to with me. What gives? Make a meta case that proves your point.
If you keep saying no, then that means you can't and you're wrong
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On November 15 2012 03:36 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 03:24 debears wrote:On November 15 2012 03:23 Hapahauli wrote:On November 15 2012 03:21 debears wrote:On November 15 2012 03:19 Hapahauli wrote:On November 15 2012 03:16 debears wrote:On November 15 2012 03:13 Hapahauli wrote:Geezus christ you actually buy that shit BH? Good lord you're better that. WOWOWOWOWOWOW
Hapa is going after someone "scumhunting to hard' instead of not scumhunting, despite his list of rules. What's the #1 thing you look for Hapa? OH YEAH SCUMHUNTING DOH.
2) I pointed out 5 other players because it makes no sense for you to attack me for "scumhunting too hard" when we have 5 lurker-doodles who aren't contributing, at least up to that point
3) Check my meta on why i'm questioning you. I question people who vote me for dogshit reasons.
Honestly, I think Hapa and Hopeless are scum I'm going after debears because he's NOT scum hunting. HE IS NOT VOTING FOR HIS TOP SCUMREADHe half-assed pushed Hopeless, put his vote on him, then tunneled the hell out of iamperfection without ever making a commitment. Where in the fuck do I even mention "scumhunting too hard?" That isn't the damn premise of my case. You're deflectionary, your voting makes no sense, and now you're voting for your attacker + lynch-bait. Die scum. The premise of your case is that you ASSUME that iamp was my top scumread when my top scumread was afk. Why wouldn't I fucking push someone else while he's all afk? Hapa's way better than making a case off bad assumptions It's not an assumption. I outline really clearly why that's not the case. You half-assed tunneled Hopeless, softballed him questions, and somehow are calling him your top scumread. You tunneled the motherfuck out of iamperfection and explicitly stated you saw no town motivation in his actions. Yeah that's fucking town debears right there. Yeah it is. lecturing brah is something I hate as town. Look at my last game ffs. your meta reads off on me. Or you don't have one. Idk which What is with this meta read shit? None of this has to do with meta. All of this has to do with you not being able to keep your story straight. Hell your two scumreads right now are a) the person attacking you and b) the top lynch-bait in the game. You made these two reads the second traction started forming on your lynch. Optimal scum strategy in this situation. Coincidence? Naw. Hey guess who was first on hopeless <<<<<<This guy 1Second, I find your reasons dogshit. You're a good town player. You aren't showing it right now. So I think you're scum 2Hapa, you like using meta in your reads, yet you don't want to with me. What gives? Make a meta case that proves your point. 3If you keep saying no, then that means you can't and you're wrong 1) So I'm going to give you townie points for being the first to jump on the easiest player to lynch in the game? Oh wait. 2) I'm not wrong. You're scum. 3) Rofl I have to use a meta read against you? GTFO. You really want a meta read? Your logic is terrible as scum. This is a prime example of it. I'm off to class, be back in a few hours Lynch debears. His recent posting says it all.
Hey Hapa
1) I had a scumread on him before you started calling him an "easy player to lynch". You're full of shit. I saw him as scummy wayyyy early.
2) Yeah you must be. Cuz you refuse to show me one. Which means you don't have anything to back you up besides your lazy assumption of iamp being my top scumread
3) My logic is terrible?
YOU'RE BETRAYING YOUR OWN RULES OF SCUMHUNTING, ESPECIALLY YOUR MOST IMPORTANT RULE
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On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?
I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.
I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say?
Hopeless had been around and following the thread and he's still useless as town so far.
Darthpjnk promises returns tomorrow and he is in another game, along with Thrawn
Why dp?
The only reason I could say dp is that he's not active and he bitched about not wanting to make reads. However he has posted reads on multiple players.
What has hopeless done? A scumread on me on non original reasoning.
Mario mafia lynch campaign 2012
Lynch hopeless!
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Yeah it is thrawn
I'm willing to wait for more. I like dps town play. Why lynch over hopeless when dp actually has a decent excuse and he promises more?
If dp doesnt deliver, we lynch him tomorrow. If he does, we reevaluate him.
Hopeless has no excuse like him. Hopeless has failed to make a read besides on me
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On November 15 2012 07:28 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 07:12 iamperfection wrote:
Debars-Post your thought on every person in the game theres a good chance that your going to be lynched so no reason to not put your thoughts out there
hapa before i put a ton of effort looking through you more closely what do you make of both me and bh weighing in positively on suspicions of you? You have not had as much thread presence that you usually have in my view and you said before that debars voting you was him claiming scum which i dont really buy and i thought it was really un hapa like for day 1? You were suspicious of me? Since when? I obviously disagree with your suspicions, but I don't think you have sinister motives behind it. Regarding BH - I have no idea what to make of it. On the one hand, I think his JK claim is completely non-sensical from a scum perspective. On the other hand, it's questionable from a town perspective as well, and if he's town, he's playing by far the worst game I've ever seen him play. His vote on me for "buddying" is just absolutely terrible. But I still just can't see him claiming JK as scum in his position. I think the JK claim makes him town, but every one of his actions makes me question it again and again. Regarding "presence" - I am really present when I'm around my computer, so I really don't know where you're getting this from. I'm in school in the mornings/afternoons and can't post much (weekdays only). At night though (5pm to 12pm) is when I get most of my posting done in all of my games.
As for "debears claiming scum" - I'm very adamant about this. Look at his two main suspicions: an easy mislynch candidate, and his attacker (myself). Not to mention that his vote on me is a PURE OMGUS. This is the best way for scum not to give any information when they die (marv did this in GSL III, attacking me and drazak).
Also, he only got suspicious of me and Hopeless the second he came under serious suspicion and became one of the leading candidates. Lastly, just read over my cases. His defenses are diversionary and deflectionary, which I described in detail here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=47#937
Hapa you're so full of it.
I WAS SUSPICIOUS OF HOPELESS FROM THE BEGINNING. HOLY SHIT.I wasn't under serious suspicion. Now, you're lying
HE WAS IN NO WAY THE "EASY LYNCH" WHEN I FIRST HAD SUSPICIONS OF HIM.
And oh look. I NEVER VOTED YOU HAPA CUZ YOU AREN'T GETTING LYNCHED TODAY. Now, you're making stuff up
More lies
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Hey S&B
When were those posts? Early D1 if I recall
What have you posted that's so great? You trolled in the beginning. Now you're being hypocritical in your vote
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On November 15 2012 08:17 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:15 debears wrote:On November 15 2012 07:28 Hapahauli wrote:On November 15 2012 07:12 iamperfection wrote:
Debars-Post your thought on every person in the game theres a good chance that your going to be lynched so no reason to not put your thoughts out there
hapa before i put a ton of effort looking through you more closely what do you make of both me and bh weighing in positively on suspicions of you? You have not had as much thread presence that you usually have in my view and you said before that debars voting you was him claiming scum which i dont really buy and i thought it was really un hapa like for day 1? You were suspicious of me? Since when? I obviously disagree with your suspicions, but I don't think you have sinister motives behind it. Regarding BH - I have no idea what to make of it. On the one hand, I think his JK claim is completely non-sensical from a scum perspective. On the other hand, it's questionable from a town perspective as well, and if he's town, he's playing by far the worst game I've ever seen him play. His vote on me for "buddying" is just absolutely terrible. But I still just can't see him claiming JK as scum in his position. I think the JK claim makes him town, but every one of his actions makes me question it again and again. Regarding "presence" - I am really present when I'm around my computer, so I really don't know where you're getting this from. I'm in school in the mornings/afternoons and can't post much (weekdays only). At night though (5pm to 12pm) is when I get most of my posting done in all of my games.
As for "debears claiming scum" - I'm very adamant about this. Look at his two main suspicions: an easy mislynch candidate, and his attacker (myself). Not to mention that his vote on me is a PURE OMGUS. This is the best way for scum not to give any information when they die (marv did this in GSL III, attacking me and drazak).
Also, he only got suspicious of me and Hopeless the second he came under serious suspicion and became one of the leading candidates. Lastly, just read over my cases. His defenses are diversionary and deflectionary, which I described in detail here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=47#937 Hapa you're so full of it. I WAS SUSPICIOUS OF HOPELESS FROM THE BEGINNING. HOLY SHIT.I wasn't under serious suspicion. Now, you're lying HE WAS IN NO WAY THE "EASY LYNCH" WHEN I FIRST HAD SUSPICIONS OF HIM. And oh look. I NEVER VOTED YOU HAPA CUZ YOU AREN'T GETTING LYNCHED TODAY. Now, you're making stuff up More lies do what hopeless did on the last page plz.
Fine. Gimme a sec
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Marv - Town. Active, opinionative. Besides, it's marv
thrawn2112 - has ACME. Been afk. Null
Hapahauli - Scum. Terribad reasoning for his cases. Pushing someone making scumreads over people who aren't (which scumhunting is his number one thing in his book).
Blazinghand - I believe his jk claim for now. I'd like to see some more scumhunting though
strongandbig - Trolled early d1. A vet. Null leaning scummy. Also, hypocritical in his vote
DarthPunk - Same as thrawn. Null
Clarity_nl - Has disappeared lately. Liked his posting early though. Null leaning town
Hopeless1der - Scum. Look at my filter so my thoughts on his lecturing/lack of caring for town
iamperfection - Town. We had some serious mental connections after I realized I was wrong on his timing of his read switch on BH
Kickstart - No original contributions. Null leaning scummy
Crossfire99 - Modkill
Z-BosoN - has posted very little, but has huge posts. Null tell leaning town. You could say his huge posts are good because of content, but it makes it easier as scum imo to just post big posts that you can think out, instead of just reacting. He seems pretty reasonable
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On November 15 2012 08:19 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:18 debears wrote:
Hey S&B
When were those posts? Early D1 if I recall
What have you posted that's so great? You trolled in the beginning. Now you're being hypocritical in your vote Spread more shit on every other player. That'll save you 100%
I don't need saving. I'm not gettin lynched
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case on hapa incoming. So you guys know he's full of it
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Hapa's Happy Meta Arguments
A Compilation of Quotes by Debears (Thankyou Cheese for the idea from last game):
Here are Hapa's full use of meta in this game. He mentions it quite often when making a base read on someone's actions. ****WARNING SPOILER IS LONG. IT CONTAINS EVERY META QUOTE HE HAS IN GAME******
+ Show Spoiler +On November 13 2012 10:22 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:15 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 10:01 strongandbig wrote:
if zb was scum he would have made a much longer post
##vote: hapahauli
im down with that iamperfection thinkamajig So retarded. ##Vote: Strongandbig You're voting him 'cause the post is retarded? And not because it's scummy? The last time you pulled that, you were scum (Mafia LVII). ##Vote DarthPunk('fo real this time) Meta on DP On November 13 2012 10:54 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:50 debears wrote:
Does S&B normally act like this?
Just curious :D
Feel free to answer that S&B Well it's weird for sure. I'm used to seeing scum SnB be a lot more "wordy" when he posts. Atleast this was the case in Mafia LVII and Death Note Mini. Howwwwwweva, this post really sets off my scum alarms: Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:48 strongandbig wrote:On November 13 2012 10:01 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 09:59 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 09:41 Z-BosoN wrote:Hello, sirs. First of all I´d like to claim miller. There are two very viable options now, regarding my alignment on this game. I am fakeclaiming as mafia. I am in fact a miller. My claim here would be fairly risky as scum, and as town it makes more sense to claim so as to not waste detective checks on me, but of course this is WIFOM. I hope to show my alignment in this game through brilliant, stellar townie play, and hope town uses this factor and this factor alone when scouting my alignment. The only thing I hope to achieve with this claim is to not be checked by an eventual cop, as that check will be guaranteed to turn red. That being said, I look forward to playing this game. Lot's of familiar faces around, and I am curious to hear more from people I haven't played yet. Regarding DarthPunk, don't worry, if he's scum, I'll figure it out  HI ZB <3. Yeah ZB will figure me out If I am scum, and Vice Versa. Hapa will figure marv out and marv will figure everyone out. GG scummers But what if me, ZB, and marv are all scum o_O Then Blazinghand, Debears and I will rip you all a new arsehole. <3 Oh noes! Well fortunately I'm not scum. + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2012 09:55 iamperfection wrote:On November 13 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right. Woah woah hold-up. I'm not liking how you're trusting this claim right away. Claiming miller is a pretty much a riskless play here. We don't know how many millers are in the setup, and as far as I'm concerned, the claim is null until Z-Bo proves otherwise. its what i think so whatever. Zbos scum is gone put himself out there like that i dont think so. It's not "so whatever" - I'm pretty skeptical how you're so willing to think Z-Bo is town off what looks to me like a completely null action. Hapa, last time you did that little spoiler trick (GsL III), you were the role that you put in the spoiler. Here, you put bowser. Now why would you put bowser out of all the scum roles? It seems to me like you were actively thinking of bowser, which you shouldn't be if you are town. I would expect you to put a town role in that spoiler this is stupid He calls debears argument/suspicion on me stupid, when he himself has his vote on me. It's not consistent at all with his suspicions so far, and I can't wrap my head around a townie thought process here. ## Vote StrongandBig Meta on S&B On November 13 2012 15:34 Hapahauli wrote:Done with paper woo! So here are some thoughts before I'm off to bed: @ KickstarterHeya bud! Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:11 Kickstart wrote:
Just got back from school, it let out a bit early. Had a bit of catching up to do in the thread but not too much has happened yet. I would like to ask Hapa a question though, I think it is only fair since you wanted to know more about me!
Hapa: What do you think is most important for a successful Day1 for town, and how do you feel you have contributed? A successful Day 1 is an active Day 1. If townies are open, active, and honest, it generates tons of information and makes it hard for scum to hide. As far as my own contributions, it seems like a really pointless question, since my answer will be biased as either alignment. I'll just let my activity speak for itself over the next 48 hours. Also, I realize you're a new player, so please don't be afraid to post! How open and active you are is really important in order for town to figure out your alignment. If you're town, post! If you're scum, just roleclaim or somethin =D
Regarding StrongandBigI'm so torn on him, and fortunately we have another ~40 hours to determine his alignment. I'm undecided whether or not he's just deliberately trolling or not. Having seen him play scum in Mafia LVII and DeathNote Mini, this just seems as such a far departure from his more "careful" scum-style of play. He seems to be really inviting attention to himself at this point and is overall very ambivalent to suspicion against him. On the other hand, his play on it's face right now just seems really scummy. My previous point (on him criticizing debears) still stands, and his recent posting is just ridiculously off. My vote will stay on him until he proves his alignment otherwise.
Regarding the InactivesActivity has been really solid so far, but we still have two players who haven't posted, Crossfire99 and Thrawn. I'm not going to judge them after only a couple of hours, but I'm looking forward to hearing from both of them. Also BlazingHand has been very off from his traditional "dick dick dick" screaming townie play. He's notoriously bad at scum, and his play so far is something that I'd expect from his scumplay. Again, not going to judge based on 6 hours, but he'll likely have my vote if he keeps this up. Meta on S&B and BH On November 14 2012 02:31 Hapahauli wrote:Catching up on my lunch break.
Regarding SnB##UnvoteAfter sleeping on it, I'm starting to agree that his play is too far of a deviation from his normal scum play to be scummy. I don't know what he's thinking, but it's much more reckless of a playstyle than I'd expect of scum SnB. (FWIW, the fact that he's continuing this behavior into today makes me think he's an SK or something. It falls into that "townie but really off" type of play that's common with 3rd party roles.)
Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 17:42 Clarity_nl wrote:Hapa, this still bothers me. I asked you what you thought about SnB's claim and if you thought it was bad for town, and you answered: On November 13 2012 10:12 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Clarity
Well in a theoretical sense yes, but you remember how well that worked with Cheesecake in Newbie XXX right? It's really not that significant IMO. You compared this to Cheese's claim from NMM XXX even though the situations are completely different. The only reason Cheese claimed was because he thought only VT's knew the VT flavor. So he was trying to claim without alerting scum. SnB just outright claimed VT. After I explain why it's different, you basically give me the same answer: On November 13 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 10:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
It's not like he flavor claimed, thinking others didn't know the flavor. How are those situations alike?
You don't think it's a weird move for a VT to claim VT day 1? No I don't find it weird. I think it's just a pointless comment that can be made by either alignment. Again, see Mr. Cheesecake's "odd" VT claim time in the Newbie game. Him trusting Z-Bo's claim so up-front is a bit strange, but again, I don't know if it's just bad logic or scum knowing who's who. I haven't seen anything alignment indicative from him yet. The other thing I don't really like is the use of "theoretically yes" and "IMO" Whenever I've seen you post you tend to be direct and with conviction, but not this time. I still believe both situations to be the same - they are both strangely timed VT claims. Cheese's intent to "signal" other townies isn't a significant difference, as both potentially fall into the category of "scum wanting to look less suspicious despite not being suspicious." The situations are not identical by any means, but they're more similar than not. Regardless, I'm not suspicious of SnB anymore so I don't want to dwell on this.
Regarding the Z-Boson CaseI really disagree with it. The case is a giant anecdote for how Z-Boson's actions could be scummy rather than why they're scummy. Show nested quote +ZB is setting up to look good as a wagon starter (since scum don't like to stick their necks out) and appear to contribute to town, but if you read his astonishingly short filter, it's clear he's not actually helping. He's flinging shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. All of this isn't valid at all hours into D1. All of the stuff described above is completely non-alignment indicative in the early game. Z-Boson has been less active than I'm used to seeing him, but again early D1 caveats. No reason to vote him.
Regarding iamperfectionHis sudden flip-flop on Z-Boson is really strange. He goes from strongly trusting Z-Bo's claim early in the game to a vote for really shitty reasons. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=22#434In his vote post, he first picks a fight with BH - odd considering that he's ultimately going to agree with his read. He puts a lot of stock into one of Z-Bo's early D1 postings and early-game banter (meaningless). He then talks about the "iamperfection rule" and another early D1 wishy-washy post. I wouldn't mind this if it weren't for his discussion about the miller claim: Show nested quote +I know i said early on that i thought the miller claim was more of a town tell but well i think zbos actions speak louder. WHAT?!?!? Iamperfection had almost no doubt about Z-Bo's motives, and he's willing to do a complete 180 with the above reasoning. Just take a look at his previous stance, made right after Z-Bo's claim: Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right. He immediately trusted Z-Boson without question the second Z-Bo made that claim. Then all of a sudden now he turns around and can doubt the claim he so strongly believed in earlier. It makes no sense to me, and it looks like scum jumping on someone the second they have the reason to. This would be fine if he had a good case, but he just hinges on a couple of early D1 posts and the "iamperfection" rule as opposed to anything substantial. It doesn't help that the rest of his filter reads really artificially confrontational to me. It feels like he's trying to overcompensate for being caught in GSL III for not showing his "bravado" throughout the game. ##Vote iamperfection More meta on S&B. Meta on Z-Bo. Meta on iamp On November 14 2012 07:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh sniped by some cases on BH. I'll get to that in a bit.
I've always heard that BH's scum-play is notoriously bad, and he seems more fearless than I would expect from his "bad" scum play. I'll take a look at the cases, but that's my first impression of him anywho. Meta on BH On November 14 2012 07:26 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 07:21 marvellosity wrote:
no Hapa, the point is you're not putting yourself in scum iamp shoes, not town iamp shoes. His rationale and motive make sense to me from a scum perspective - I've already mentioned that. Making a 180 when spurred by another case is scummy and convenient. I realize you disagree, but I think you're wrong. And to draw comparisons to the read on Kei you mentioned in GSL III - I find imaperfection's actions alone much more scummy than Kei's actions in GSL III. Kei has a history of reluctant D1 play. Iamperfection doesn't have a history of these things in his town play to my knowledge. Meta on iamp On November 14 2012 08:39 Hapahauli wrote:
@iamp
##Unvote
From your reactions so far, you're probably town. The "I don't give a fuck" thing has been on full display for the last few hours, and that meta read hasn't been wrong on you yet.
I also do like the post on Z-Bo, but I give him less townie points than you do. Z-Bo can push a read as either allignment, but I do agree he's being open so far. meta on iamp On November 14 2012 08:45 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 08:40 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah the ZB defense imo tells us more about iamp than it does about ZB-- but either way neither of them a good lynch today Yeah I'm looking at Thrawn and Kickstart atm. Thrawn's inactivity is pretty uncharacteristic of him so far. Kickstart as well dumped some suspicion on me and then peace'd out. I'm a bit more forgiving to Kickstart though as a first-time player. So let's get thrawn talking shall we? ##Vote Thrawn(Would love to hear from kickstart too, but more concerned with Thrawn atm) Meta on thrawn On November 14 2012 11:45 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 11:41 marvellosity wrote:On November 14 2012 11:39 Blazinghand wrote:On November 14 2012 11:33 marvellosity wrote:
i agree not to carry on being mad at you if you promise not to say again a single time that your claim was a good idea. If someone asks me, I will answer truthfully, but I won't volunteer information if I don't see a need to. On November 14 2012 11:35 marvellosity wrote:
thrawn dear, where indeed have you been?
The problem is, thrawn, is that my meta read on DarthPunk is the diametric opposite to yours. from a meta perspective, yes, this is what town DP does, but the fact that he hasn't taken any stances that currently he's maintaining / is accountable for is scummy. I find him worthwhile even if Thrawn's meta case is crap. I think Thrawn comes out of this looking worse though, because he brought up a meta case that is basically false. I'd like to see more out of DP though, and so they're my two lynch targets right now. Plus you kinda for being such a drama queen. I disagree thrawn looks worse, as I know he genuinely believes in that meta read. It's not specific to this game. I still want to know where the hell he has been. He's posted 3 times - this is unlike anything in his town games. meta on thrawn On November 14 2012 12:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 14 2012 12:44 Hapahauli wrote:On November 14 2012 12:41 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 14 2012 12:37 Blazinghand wrote:
thawn so do you have a game in mind as an example of DP's scum meta? Since you and marv aree disagreeinvw my impression of dp's scum meta is based on what I read from his play in LC. He was wishy washy with his read on kushmasta while trying to mislynch him, not being stubborn as i'd come to expect Really? I was on his team in LC and he seemed super tunnel-y on kush. Though tbh, tunneling townies is part of his scum and town meta. Hence why I have a hard time reading him. it was all the midway through the game shit with boson, kush, and dp. dp was tunneling kush, but he seemed to not really care too much if kush actually got lynched as long as there was another townie to mislynch. town dp rides his targets into the ground for better or worse From what I remember from Mafia LVII, he tried to ride people into the ground there as well (as scum). I'll look into it, but I'm not all too convinced about the meta read. Still pretty null on DP for the record. He's a little less active than I'm used to seeing him, though he's probably still asleep. Also, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on some other players... howabout debears? I think he's much summier than DP at the moment. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=37#726 Meta on DP
So, now everyone understands why I want to hear Hapa's meta on me. He was my coach in two games. He has seen all four of my games. So, I would guess he knows my play pretty well on both sides.
What has hapa said about my meta?
Here is his first post in which he found me scummy
On November 14 2012 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +Hapauli. Much quieter this game. Much less present. Disappeared during all of my interaction with BH, only to appear after the claim. I don't buy his cases, especially the one on iamp. Completely ignored my first case on BH, and town Hapa usually comments on everything. In the beginning, put on some light pressure on DP, then unvoted him from some easy explanation only to never mention him again. Not a play I'd see hapa do. I'm in school on weekdays - it's impossible for me to be more "present" than I currently am. As for BH, I DID comment on him: Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 07:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh sniped by some cases on BH. I'll get to that in a bit.
I've always heard that BH's scum-play is notoriously bad, and he seems more fearless than I would expect from his "bad" scum play. I'll take a look at the cases, but that's my first impression of him anywho. He claimed shortly thereafter, so it was pointless for me to comment more.
On to the rest of your stuff: Your Town Reads:Agree on clarity and iamperfection. Clarity seems much more engaged this game than his Newbie XXX game. Iamperfection for reasons previously stated. Disagree on marv. I don't think he's done anything alignment indicative. He's definitely capable of doing this as scum, even though he played a more dispirited game last game. Completely null on him. Your Null Reads:I'm putting SnB into the town category (again POSSIBLY the SK, but I don't want to speculate too much). His play so far is such a far departure from his scumplay. Crossfire is null (duh) I'm getting more scum vibes from Thrawn. He's made one pretty coherent post and just peaced out. He could be afk for RL issues or something, but given that he's never played a scumgame (to my knowledge) and that we have a sudden deviation in his play, the connection is there. Your ScumreadsDisagree with me obv, I'm town dawg
As for debears, he was one of the players willing to follow me on iamperfection, and he made one of those "overkill"/"overexplained" cases when voting him:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=29#575
It reads as really artificial and a way to cover his bases. Agreed here.I'm firmly null on DarthPunk. Hopeless is lurky, but that's normal regardless of alignment for him (null as well).
No meta. His suspicion is "overkill case", which means to me "trying to hard to scumhunt".
On November 14 2012 10:13 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 09:47 marvellosity wrote:
i'm starting to ponder debears also Looking at debears, there's not much to say other than there's not much substance in his 4-page filter. Lots of short, 1/2 line posts with banter. He jumps on Hopeless really quickly, who's one of the easier targets in the game. He's then pretty quick to jump on iamperfection, and has been pushing that "read" since. As previously stated, his "vote post" looks like an overkill-case. But the thing that really sticks out to me is that he's been tunneling iamperfection for the last few hours yet still has his vote on Hopeless. He's using a lot of strong language against iamperfection (much stronger than against hopeless), and from his filter it looks like iamperfection is his top scumread. At this point he's much more content to push the read on iamperfection than his one on Hopeless, and I see no townie reason why his vote isn't where his mouth is. ##Unvote##Vote debears
Next post. No meta. Just an assumption that iamp was my top scumread because iamp had more content and that I didn't vote him, which he sees as scummy
ISN'T THAT THE PROBLEM? HOPELESS HAS BEEN AROUND AND HAS ZERO CONTENT
So, what does Hapa's case boil down to? Me scumhunting while my vote is on another player. Hey HAPPPPPA LOOK AT THIS
On November 14 2012 12:41 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 12:40 Blazinghand wrote:On November 14 2012 12:38 Hapahauli wrote:On November 14 2012 12:33 Kickstart wrote:On November 14 2012 12:25 Hapahauli wrote:On November 14 2012 12:19 Kickstart wrote:
I am down for flipping you and BH at this point. I am not really interesting in arguing with you about it - I find the fact that I was down for voting BH and you, then after him claiming jk just voting for you to be perfectly reasonable. Again I want other people to weigh in though. I don't. Your logic is completely disproportionate. You show every indication of wanting BH dead and are very eager about "flipping" him. You don't trust his claim, don't like his posts, don't like anything about him, then magically twist your vote on me because apparently you don't like a "bandwagon" I started. Yet you sympathize with my logic, yet disagree with it by ignoring all of my emphasized points. It. Makes. No. Sense. And I"m having a very difficult time figuring out if you're just dense about it or you have a mafia motive for all of this. You don't, I do - that is ok with me. Having a scum read on both you and BH and voting you over him is not as big of a leap as you are trying to make it sound. And I have not "magically twisted my vote" on you, I have given my view on you from the beginning, and unlike some - have voted once, and not by way of bandwagon. It is "magically twisted." Apparently you think I'm scummy because I've been pushing my suspicions too well. Yeah GL with that. That's awful. Im done with this shit just ignore him for now he adds no value to our discourse Well it pisses me off when someone's case on me is "lol you're scumhunting too hard"/rant AAAAAAnnnnyway, whaddya think of him? Stupid townie newbie or scummy?
Hapa is either playing terribly as town, or he is scum
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^^^^^Z-bo join the club
I am scummy looking d1 every game too :D
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Cmon Hapa respond to my case man. We only got 2 hours left before ze lynch
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On November 15 2012 08:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
Debears your case boils down to: "Hapa hasn't posted a meta read so the rest of his case doesn't matter"
Have you considered that your town and scum meta D1 are rather similar, so there is no meta read to be made?
There are differences my friend. There are differences.
Besides, he's using it everywhere else. Why does he refuse to use it on me?
And it's not just meta. It's how he betrays his scumhunting rules. Read my cases in filter plzzzz
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ATTTENTION-----------------------
WHO IS THINKING OF VOTING ME BUT DOESN'T HAVE THEIR VOTE ON ME?
I NEED TO KNOW PROMPTLY
THANKYOU
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On November 15 2012 09:00 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:56 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 15 2012 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 15 2012 08:53 Hapahauli wrote:That's fucking rediculous debears. I have no idea why I'm going to respond to it, but hopefully I can show the thread how desperate you are right now: 1) "Overkill" case: I've used this in my TOWN games. It is not about "scumhunting too hard" at all. Rockband Mini for reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=40#7962) I'm scummy because my case isn't based around debears meta. ROFL. 3) Next post. No meta. Just an assumption that iamp was my top scumread because iamp had more content and that I didn't vote him, which he sees as scummy ROFL at no meta again. ROFL at not responding to my relevant case AGAIN. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=47#9374) ISN'T THAT THE PROBLEM? HOPELESS HAS BEEN AROUND AND HAS ZERO CONTENT AGAIN, Hopeless is very capable of doing this as town.
But to all the townies out there, please read debears "case." He thinks I"m scummy because I'm not using a fucking meta read on him. But here's a meta read - debears is active as town OR scum, but what's distinguishing is his logic. This is a prime example of the crazy illogical things he uses to put suspicion on people as scum. You've just committed to showing shitty logic from scum debears =\ It's rather hard to post perfect logic when you're scum and you HAVE to show suspicion of confirmed townies. What's your point? That debears is going to rage at OMG META READ WITH NO EXAMPLES
Hopeless last time someone did this to me when I was close to getting lynched was scum. You're just making the case against you better right now
Saying stuff along the lines of "omg desperation"
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Are people really still voting me?
Who will be around 1 hour before lynch guys????
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On November 15 2012 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
debears if you really want me to i'll vote you to
I mean. Idc if you do. I just want to know numbers right now of a possible swing last hour
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@Marv
While it does fit meta, and I did say long posts make it easier for scum to think things out, I'm not willing to lynch Z-Bo today.
Why not HopelesS?
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Has hopeless been involved marv?
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