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On November 08 2012 15:18 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 15:06 Rad wrote:@djoYep, I understand and agree with everything you said about who will get NK'd. Just thought it would be cool for the scenario I talked about  I don't understand how that is a sylver scum slip but I believe you're town and you were right about clarity when I was wrong so I'll just have to believe you. @ RadIt's a scumtell, not a scumslip  Right now, you are looking very bad because of your hard-defense of Clarity. Even if you have to best explanations in the world for it, and I personally find your explanations and your motivations believable and consistent (the breadcrumb and the PMs to marv give your story much credit), it's going to be difficult for anyone to believe that you are really town and you have to get lynched for defending Clarity like this, sooner or later. So, if you are town, you are the perfect player to keep until lylo (the 2vs1 situation in our case). I don't see why sylverfyre would take you as more genuine than Obzy so I guess that he wants you around, hence buddying you and so on... I don't know if I have explained it well or not...
I gotcha djo.
Do you think it's possible for me to be a good enough scum to plan out all the VT stuff so perfectly on the spot when cheese claimed, plant a meaningless (except to VTs that were unaware of the other PMs) breadcrumb before any of that happened, and then react exactly how you'd expect a VT to react? This is my second game of mafia, do you think that's a realistic scum plan (hey scum partner clarity even though we realize everyone else knows the VT flavor text because we're scum and marv PM'd it to us, I'm going to plant it as a breadcrumb just in case some stupid VT doesn't realize it and makes a big deal out of it, but you shouldn't do that, instead you should probably claim blue or something at some point since it would make us look super suspicious otherwise, unlike my plan of defending you for the entire game against arguments that don't make sense vs a newbie VT)? Or maybe you're unsure if this is really my second game? Look at me last game, do you think I was looking so far into the future for a scum game one day that I just played like a newbie so I could eventually lay down the perfect master scum plan (in another newbie game!)? I mean seriously, I don't get how my story doesn't confirm me lol, unless you think I'm just THAT GOOD. I don't get how obzy's pity case is more confirming than my entire game VT case.
Show me anyone else in this game that has their entire game that figured out and clearly able to explain it, even with the WTF moment that cheese brought into the game where I acted perfectly VT. Am I master scum or am I just a super honest newbie VT that can explain his entire story with ease because it's real? If sylver flips town (yeah, I'm speculating, let's do it), do you really think it's me over obzy? Or even da0ud? Yeah, I said he's got balls of steel from the debears move, but that could have been scummy balls of steel. I have no idea at this point cause I suck at figuring that out.
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Just catching up now. Got sh!t 2/3 of day at work where I did not make money i was truly hope to get 
I know how good and invested Djo is in this game. He want to shine as the mastermind of it. He has barely slept over the past few days. I feel something fishy.
Would there be any chance that Djo could have fakeclaimed as mafia RB in order to bully/buss his partner Clarity ?
What I truly believe at the moment is :
Obzy, me are VT
Alsn is Cop
Sylver looks really bad and if my assumption goes nowhere I will go after him on D3.
Rad, there could still be a chance he would be scum but unlikely.
Djo, mafia RB : unlikely as well - BUT I KNOW HE IS CAPABLE OF IT !
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@da0ud
We have no other blue claim. Isn't it pretty unlikely that there's only 1 blue in this game?
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da0ud - it's POSSIBLE, but incredibly unlikely. I think that only having a single blue would be somewhat imbalanced in favor of mafia, I also think it wouldn't be very suitable for a newbie game as having no roles doesn't really help town learn much. Just by the numbers, I think we have two blues, and Djo is one of them. I recommend asking our gracious coaches about it if you have doubts (specifically: "How can/Why should I believe Djo's claim?" The coaches are excellent.), I think that asking the rest of us to look at and doubt Djo is truly not worth your time, though. Scum is 100% Sylv or Rad.
Rad - I respect your play. I know I'm town. Taking this into account, I wouldn't put it past you to play so excellently as to be able to speak your above piece in a convincing manner ^^ Although I'm a bit too lazy to do this myself if prompted; if you feel like you are going to be lynched and your lynch would cause town to lose, your only real choice is to convince Me that da0ud is the last scum. Here's why:
Presumably, scum is going to kill a blue tonight. Tomorrow, Sylv will be lynched. Assuming Sylv is not scum, the remaining blue will die the next night.
This will leave me, you, and da0ud. I'm not scum, so if you're trying to make a case on me at that point and you are town, we lose. da0ud is going to vote you. I am going to vote you. The only thing that would change this situation is if da0ud was the scum, and you pull together a nail-biting case that absolutely and completely convinces me. I don't expect you to do it, because I think da0ud is 100% town. However, if you are the last scum, that's your only choice. (Now that I've brought it up, it really isn't a choice ^_^ We'll see it coming.)
If you don't think da0ud is scum, and you yourself are not scum, then Sylv is scum. The end. There really is no reason thinking further unless you want to entertain the possibility that I am lying, or that our blues are lying - these may be fun mental exercises, but they will not lead to a plausible end-game scenario worth thinking about.
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On November 08 2012 15:48 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 15:18 Djodref wrote:On November 08 2012 15:06 Rad wrote:@djoYep, I understand and agree with everything you said about who will get NK'd. Just thought it would be cool for the scenario I talked about I don't understand how that is a sylver scum slip but I believe you're town and you were right about clarity when I was wrong so I'll just have to believe you. @ RadIt's a scumtell, not a scumslip Right now, you are looking very bad because of your hard-defense of Clarity. Even if you have to best explanations in the world for it, and I personally find your explanations and your motivations believable and consistent (the breadcrumb and the PMs to marv give your story much credit), it's going to be difficult for anyone to believe that you are really town and you have to get lynched for defending Clarity like this, sooner or later. So, if you are town, you are the perfect player to keep until lylo (the 2vs1 situation in our case). I don't see why sylverfyre would take you as more genuine than Obzy so I guess that he wants you around, hence buddying you and so on... I don't know if I have explained it well or not... I gotcha djo. Do you think it's possible for me to be a good enough scum to plan out all the VT stuff so perfectly on the spot when cheese claimed, plant a meaningless (except to VTs that were unaware of the other PMs) breadcrumb before any of that happened, and then react exactly how you'd expect a VT to react? This is my second game of mafia, do you think that's a realistic scum plan (hey scum partner clarity even though we realize everyone else knows the VT flavor text because we're scum and marv PM'd it to us, I'm going to plant it as a breadcrumb just in case some stupid VT doesn't realize it and makes a big deal out of it, but you shouldn't do that, instead you should probably claim blue or something at some point since it would make us look super suspicious otherwise, unlike my plan of defending you for the entire game against arguments that don't make sense vs a newbie VT)? Or maybe you're unsure if this is really my second game? Look at me last game, do you think I was looking so far into the future for a scum game one day that I just played like a newbie so I could eventually lay down the perfect master scum plan (in another newbie game!)? I mean seriously, I don't get how my story doesn't confirm me lol, unless you think I'm just THAT GOOD. I don't get how obzy's pity case is more confirming than my entire game VT case. Show me anyone else in this game that has their entire game that figured out and clearly able to explain it, even with the WTF moment that cheese brought into the game where I acted perfectly VT. Am I master scum or am I just a super honest newbie VT that can explain his entire story with ease because it's real? If sylver flips town (yeah, I'm speculating, let's do it), do you really think it's me over obzy? Or even da0ud? Yeah, I said he's got balls of steel from the debears move, but that could have been scummy balls of steel. I have no idea at this point cause I suck at figuring that out.
@ Rad
I wish your reads were as good as your defense
To be honest, I don't think that you are scum, everything in Clarity's filter indicates to a partnership with sylverfyre. Lynch this bastard and it's going to be GG. Thanks for your post though...
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On November 08 2012 15:57 Rad wrote:
@da0ud
We have no other blue claim. Isn't it pretty unlikely that there's only 1 blue in this game?
I think it is possible.
Usual games are 13 players 10v3 so 23% of scum people
On this one 7v2 hence only 22% of scum, which is a slight hedge to town.
Only one power role for mafia. I would imagine that 2 power roles for town would get the game even more imbalanced.
On top of that, Djodref is already diverting attention on Alsn saying he is the most usefull town right now.
I don't disagree, but if I were mafia I would not let Djo alive because he is the sharpest player right now.
He can write many cases, etc.
If he is still alive tomorrow, I think there is something fishy.
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On November 08 2012 15:55 da0ud wrote:Just catching up now. Got sh!t 2/3 of day at work where I did not make money i was truly hope to get I know how good and invested Djo is in this game. He want to shine as the mastermind of it. He has barely slept over the past few days. I feel something fishy.Would there be any chance that Djo could have fakeclaimed as mafia RB in order to bully/buss his partner Clarity ? What I truly believe at the moment is :Obzy, me are VT Alsn is Cop Sylver looks really bad and if my assumption goes nowhere I will go after him on D3. Rad, there could still be a chance he would be scum but unlikely. Djo, mafia RB : unlikely as well - BUT I KNOW HE IS CAPABLE OF IT !
@ daoud
Once again, your level of paranoia is a good indication for me that you are indeed town. I understand your doubts given our previous history but I think that the fact that Alsn has confirmed my claim should allow you to believe me as well.
I'm a little disappointed that Alsn did not say anything on he fact that we share some extra-information together that should make us 100% confirmed to each other. I hope to have some comment on this before he dies...
Even if I chose to bus my partner, please note that I have "discovered" Clarity before anyone else. He was pretty much under everyone's radar before my very first case against him. There is no need to bus your partner like this when no one is paying attention.
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On November 08 2012 16:21 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 15:57 Rad wrote:
@da0ud
We have no other blue claim. Isn't it pretty unlikely that there's only 1 blue in this game? I think it is possible. Usual games are 13 players 10v3 so 23% of scum people On this one 7v2 hence only 22% of scum, which is a slight hedge to town. Only one power role for mafia. I would imagine that 2 power roles for town would get the game even more imbalanced. On top of that, Djodref is already diverting attention on Alsn saying he is the most usefull town right now. I don't disagree, but if I were mafia I would not let Djo alive because he is the sharpest player right now. He can write many cases, etc. If he is still alive tomorrow, I think there is something fishy.
@ daoud
Should we start this conversation again when we are both in lylo together ?
Can I recommend you to go through Clarity's filter and make an analysis of his interactions with the other players ?
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On November 08 2012 16:13 Obzy wrote:da0ud - it's POSSIBLE, but incredibly unlikely. I think that only having a single blue would be somewhat imbalanced in favor of mafia, I also think it wouldn't be very suitable for a newbie game as having no roles doesn't really help town learn much. Just by the numbers, I think we have two blues, and Djo is one of them. I recommend asking our gracious coaches about it if you have doubts (specifically: "How can/Why should I believe Djo's claim?" The coaches are excellent.), I think that asking the rest of us to look at and doubt Djo is truly not worth your time, though. Scum is 100% Sylv or Rad. Rad - I respect your play. I know I'm town. Taking this into account, I wouldn't put it past you to play so excellently as to be able to speak your above piece in a convincing manner ^^ Although I'm a bit too lazy to do this myself if prompted; if you feel like you are going to be lynched and your lynch would cause town to lose, your only real choice is to convince Me that da0ud is the last scum. Here's why: Presumably, scum is going to kill a blue tonight. Tomorrow, Sylv will be lynched. Assuming Sylv is not scum, the remaining blue will die the next night. This will leave me, you, and da0ud. I'm not scum, so if you're trying to make a case on me at that point and you are town, we lose. da0ud is going to vote you. I am going to vote you. The only thing that would change this situation is if da0ud was the scum, and you pull together a nail-biting case that absolutely and completely convinces me. I don't expect you to do it, because I think da0ud is 100% town. However, if you are the last scum, that's your only choice. (Now that I've brought it up, it really isn't a choice ^_^ We'll see it coming.) If you don't think da0ud is scum, and you yourself are not scum, then Sylv is scum. The end. There really is no reason thinking further unless you want to entertain the possibility that I am lying, or that our blues are lying - these may be fun mental exercises, but they will not lead to a plausible end-game scenario worth thinking about.
One thing for sure, Obzy.
If I am alive last with you, I will vote with you against the third one.
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On November 08 2012 16:28 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 16:21 da0ud wrote:On November 08 2012 15:57 Rad wrote:
@da0ud
We have no other blue claim. Isn't it pretty unlikely that there's only 1 blue in this game? I think it is possible. Usual games are 13 players 10v3 so 23% of scum people On this one 7v2 hence only 22% of scum, which is a slight hedge to town. Only one power role for mafia. I would imagine that 2 power roles for town would get the game even more imbalanced. On top of that, Djodref is already diverting attention on Alsn saying he is the most usefull town right now. I don't disagree, but if I were mafia I would not let Djo alive because he is the sharpest player right now. He can write many cases, etc. If he is still alive tomorrow, I think there is something fishy. @ daoudShould we start this conversation again when we are both in lylo together ? Can I recommend you to go through Clarity's filter and make an analysis of his interactions with the other players ?
Yes, Djo, I will do so.
This is just my usual paranoia taking over at the moment :D
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On November 08 2012 16:13 Obzy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +da0ud - it's POSSIBLE, but incredibly unlikely. I think that only having a single blue would be somewhat imbalanced in favor of mafia, I also think it wouldn't be very suitable for a newbie game as having no roles doesn't really help town learn much. Just by the numbers, I think we have two blues, and Djo is one of them. I recommend asking our gracious coaches about it if you have doubts (specifically: "How can/Why should I believe Djo's claim?" The coaches are excellent.), I think that asking the rest of us to look at and doubt Djo is truly not worth your time, though. Scum is 100% Sylv or Rad. Rad - I respect your play. I know I'm town. Taking this into account, I wouldn't put it past you to play so excellently as to be able to speak your above piece in a convincing manner ^^ Although I'm a bit too lazy to do this myself if prompted; if you feel like you are going to be lynched and your lynch would cause town to lose, your only real choice is to convince Me that da0ud is the last scum. Here's why: Presumably, scum is going to kill a blue tonight. Tomorrow, Sylv will be lynched. Assuming Sylv is not scum, the remaining blue will die the next night. This will leave me, you, and da0ud. I'm not scum, so if you're trying to make a case on me at that point and you are town, we lose. da0ud is going to vote you. I am going to vote you. The only thing that would change this situation is if da0ud was the scum, and you pull together a nail-biting case that absolutely and completely convinces me. I don't expect you to do it, because I think da0ud is 100% town. However, if you are the last scum, that's your only choice. (Now that I've brought it up, it really isn't a choice ^_^ We'll see it coming.) + Show Spoiler +
If you don't think da0ud is scum, and you yourself are not scum, then Sylv is scum. The end. There really is no reason thinking further unless you want to entertain the possibility that I am lying, or that our blues are lying - these may be fun mental exercises, but they will not lead to a plausible end-game scenario worth thinking about.
@ Obzy
Could I ask you why you are so confident on your read on daoud ?
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Damn, da0ud has serious blinders on obzy being town, IMO. They feel like (would you believe it) my blinders on clarity? But ok. Obzy, if it's you me and da0ud at the end, I will have to convince you I'm town, and I will, because it's easy to prove the truth given enough time. If at that point you're scum, I can just blame it on da0ud for our loss ^^
I understand obzy thinking da0ud's town. Those balls of steel. I think it's possible that move may have been a lucky coin flip though. Not saying I suspect da0ud atm, but if it comes down to it, that point in time isn't convincing enough to confirm him as town to me.
See, that's the kind of interesting scenario I think I'd like
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His tone. It is ridiculously emotional and faking it would be insanely hard. Also, he took me at my word immediately based on my freaking out lol.
He feels trustworthy =l I really can't justify it a whole lot more than that. da0ud just feels ridiculously genuine and I've read his response on page 75 like ten times. He doesn't even bother mentioning Alsn - like, "OBVIOUSLY Alsn is town, why bring it up !?" - is the feeling I get. And indeed, Alsn is town. He's reading me solidly town, and I know he's right.
If Rad brought a truly stellar case against him in LYLO with the three of us, I would consider reconsidering - but... I honestly don't really see that happening. (Sylver should flip scum, anyways.)
Is that good enough? ^^ Hehe.
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by "He's reading me solidly town", I mean da0ud - I sure assume Alsn is too of course, but I don't think my sentence was particularly clear.
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On November 08 2012 16:13 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 15:48 Rad wrote:On November 08 2012 15:18 Djodref wrote:On November 08 2012 15:06 Rad wrote:@djoYep, I understand and agree with everything you said about who will get NK'd. Just thought it would be cool for the scenario I talked about I don't understand how that is a sylver scum slip but I believe you're town and you were right about clarity when I was wrong so I'll just have to believe you. @ RadIt's a scumtell, not a scumslip Right now, you are looking very bad because of your hard-defense of Clarity. Even if you have to best explanations in the world for it, and I personally find your explanations and your motivations believable and consistent (the breadcrumb and the PMs to marv give your story much credit), it's going to be difficult for anyone to believe that you are really town and you have to get lynched for defending Clarity like this, sooner or later. So, if you are town, you are the perfect player to keep until lylo (the 2vs1 situation in our case). I don't see why sylverfyre would take you as more genuine than Obzy so I guess that he wants you around, hence buddying you and so on... I don't know if I have explained it well or not... I gotcha djo. Do you think it's possible for me to be a good enough scum to plan out all the VT stuff so perfectly on the spot when cheese claimed, plant a meaningless (except to VTs that were unaware of the other PMs) breadcrumb before any of that happened, and then react exactly how you'd expect a VT to react? This is my second game of mafia, do you think that's a realistic scum plan (hey scum partner clarity even though we realize everyone else knows the VT flavor text because we're scum and marv PM'd it to us, I'm going to plant it as a breadcrumb just in case some stupid VT doesn't realize it and makes a big deal out of it, but you shouldn't do that, instead you should probably claim blue or something at some point since it would make us look super suspicious otherwise, unlike my plan of defending you for the entire game against arguments that don't make sense vs a newbie VT)? Or maybe you're unsure if this is really my second game? Look at me last game, do you think I was looking so far into the future for a scum game one day that I just played like a newbie so I could eventually lay down the perfect master scum plan (in another newbie game!)? I mean seriously, I don't get how my story doesn't confirm me lol, unless you think I'm just THAT GOOD. I don't get how obzy's pity case is more confirming than my entire game VT case. Show me anyone else in this game that has their entire game that figured out and clearly able to explain it, even with the WTF moment that cheese brought into the game where I acted perfectly VT. Am I master scum or am I just a super honest newbie VT that can explain his entire story with ease because it's real? If sylver flips town (yeah, I'm speculating, let's do it), do you really think it's me over obzy? Or even da0ud? Yeah, I said he's got balls of steel from the debears move, but that could have been scummy balls of steel. I have no idea at this point cause I suck at figuring that out. @ RadI wish your reads were as good as your defense To be honest, I don't think that you are scum, everything in Clarity's filter indicates to a partnership with sylverfyre. Lynch this bastard and it's going to be GG. Thanks for your post though...
Going to go with that sylver vote just like I did with the clarity vote. Lead me mr. confirmed blue... I can defend myself all day as town cause it's ezmode. I'm a super honest guy IRL so I never have to worry about covering my back Unfortunately I'm also super trusting so I can't play this game worth a shit.
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I think we are all getting insane indeed, and sylver should flip scum next day and it will all over.
Djo will be posting a solid case against him anyway.
I am sure the case against him + his interactions with Clarity (I am currently going through Sylver's filter) will be much stronger than any other case that could be made against us, the rest of townie town.
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@ Rad, I do believe you are not scum and I am pretty sure the scenario on LyLo with Obzy, you and me will never happen.
If it does I am pretty convinced I will have to vote for you or Obzy is the best newbie ever.
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@ sylverfyre
Good luck to find a reasonable target for a mislynch now
I hope everyone is able to see how apathetic your play is when everybody else is sympathetic ^^
@ daoud
I don't even need to write my case. All townies have shown good sign of honesty and sincerity, even if there is some lack of scumhunt. Given the flavor, I think it is ok for us to keep jerking off like this
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On November 08 2012 11:23 Obzy wrote:
If JK jails Roleblocker, can the scum RB still RB?
If the roleblocker and Jailer target each other, the jailer's action will not go through.
If JK jails Roleblocker who is Roleblocking Player C, Player C will be roleblocked, but the Roleblocker will not be able to kill, because the basic ordering of events is: scum RB - Jailer - Kill.
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On November 08 2012 15:55 da0ud wrote:
Would there be any chance that Djo could have fakeclaimed as mafia RB in order to bully/buss his partner Clarity ? Let's just get this out of the way. Take my word for it(as the chances are pretty high I will die tonight) Djo is 100% confirmed town no matter what period.
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