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Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
November 08 2012 15:58 GMT
#1701
And yea, thanks for the game. It was fun to not be a VT for once. Having to post breadcrumbs was really stressful though. I was really paranoid about people thinking that maybe I didn't really misspell that word.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 08 2012 16:00 GMT
#1702
i hope i did the theme some justice, anyway
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
November 08 2012 16:00 GMT
#1703
Oh and yea, I figured SDM would pick up on my cop breadcrumb. :D I was actually wondering if he was in the /obs QT.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 08 2012 16:05 GMT
#1704
oh man, this was one fun game to watch.

My favourite comment though was when one of you brought up our amount of posting in ACME. I've been yelling about how awesome your activity is over there. You guys are great, just so you know I hope everyone of you sticks with mafia and comes to play in the big leagues. We need more people who play hard and are hugely active.

I'll leave the post game anal(lol)ysis to Marv but I just wanted to thank you all for getting into the game in a big way. You are what I wish everyone was.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 08 2012 16:06 GMT
#1705
lol, I think that kind of breadcrumbs are totally ok
Souel Gardien Hostel was terrible in comparison to yours... I was hoping that daoud would not catch it at first glance.

@ Clarity

The extra info was the fact that we blue did not know about the VT flavor until Cheese claim where we received a PM from marv. Fortunately for me, I was catching up at that time, so I couldn't do the kind of mistake that you did.
So I knew you could not be blue at all when you were saying that you asked your question to marv when you noticed that the VT flavor was different in the OP and in your PM. I was already suspicious of you and the hints you were giving for a blue Clarity felt very wrong for me. I knew I could confirm you as scum if you claimed and I think I would have backed off a little if you were admitting to be a VT.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 08 2012 16:06 GMT
#1706
EBWOP: Marv the flavour was great. You more than did this justice. You were its judge, jury executioner and fabulous fapper.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 16:10:37
November 08 2012 16:07 GMT
#1707
I feel like the setup (and 9-player games in general) is very town favored anyways, and then clarity did himself in with the role PM stuff on top of that, which was really just unfortunate and not exactly his fault.


btw, it was painfully obvious Cheese was town, dunno how nobody got to that, for how much XXIX was mentioned...
€: I also identified debears as town pretty fast, funny how a single buttbuddy game does that for you


Hosts are still scumbags for not giving me obs QT! Well, thrawn is. I only breadcrumbed my needs to marv instead of claiming them, so he's semi-excused. I just didn't bother explaining in the end, cause the game was over, so I stopped paying attention anyways.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 08 2012 16:07 GMT
#1708
Hey guys, gg! Well played.

First things first, excuses! I was getting ill on saturday, and sunday I was feeling like crap. Djo asked me to comment on him and I just wanted to go to bed, and I slept from 1-6.
Anyway, happens, I still learned a lot and I hope you guys did too!

Djo, I think your intuition is amazing.
You did however (in my eyes at least) overdo it when it came to pushing me.
I don't agree with the fact that because my defense was logical instead of emotional it makes me more scummy, but maybe I'm wrong.
But you went on for too long, your argument actually didn't make sense even more, even from my perspective as scum, and I think a better player than me might have talked the town into lynching you. I feel I was doing a good job discrediting you but it's hard to argue with your JK claim.

I feel bad for taking advantage of the Cheese VT flavor claim.
I hope no one looks down at me for doing this, I was cornered and about to be lynched.
Rad didn't give me the idea of me having pmed marv btw. I had that in mind when I said "I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. Doesn't mean anything"
My original idea behind it however, was that the logical conclusion was that I would be blue.
Of course I couldn't predict marv would come down from heaven, but maybe if I had more time I would have.

Best post this game in my eyes is by Alsn:
On November 08 2012 04:44 Alsn wrote:
But there are a few things I'm looking forward to with this lynch. I'm pretty sure that there isn't a framer. Since I doubt Clarity would try and claim cop if there was(they'd have to assume that there's an actual cop in the game who could counter-claim, cause otherwise the framer role would be pretty silly). The only thing I can think of that speaks against that, is that in the case of a framer, scum would assume there is a cop, and having given up on clarity, they wanted to get the cop to reveal by sacrificing Clarity.

So, assuming that I'm right and there's no framer, we can probably assume that if Clarity flips RB, his partner is a goon. While if he flips goon, the odds of his partner being roleblocker goes up dramatically(although framer isn't entirely out of the picture like I mentioned above).


That is some amazing analysis right there. Kudos.

My conclusion: I probably prefer to play as town. =]
If people are willing to give me some feedback on my play, I would appreciate it!
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
November 08 2012 16:13 GMT
#1709
Damn I gotta check your scum QT, I want know how you reacted to the whole Cheese incident.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
November 08 2012 16:13 GMT
#1710
Woo GG. TBH I was hoping you'd do that sylver, but, wasn't sure you were scum so I thought if obzy or da0ud were we'd be sitting around for days trying to figure this out (and ultimately lose because of my association with clarity).

I might play more TL mafia games in the future, but going to take a break for now. I'm serious about it being pretty life consuming for me, and I don't think I could come across as nearly as town as I guess I did without keeping up to date with every single thing that happens and remembering it all so I can make good statements on the fly. I'll obs some cause then I can play but not play, and maybe see people's thought processes for determining alignment. I'd be interested in some faster games I think, though not sure how they'd play out properly that guessing alignment wasn't just a complete coin flip.

I wonder how the game would have played out if VTs knew that everyone else knew from the start (well, and if blues did know from the start as well, since apparently they didn't until a certain point, and what I got from marv was that they did know).

The bit about blues not knowing the VT flavor until later is interesting though and now I know why you guys were both 100% confirmed to each other, and why you were so sure clarity was scum. I can see why my VT case wasn't quite as strong due to that fact also. I truly did only defend clarity against things that if directed at me, were straight up wrong, (VT would do this, VT wouldn't do this, etc) and I think the game goes a lot differently without those arguments ever existing (for one, I wouldn't have spent an entire day wasting my time defending a scum).

I'm most impressed with Obzy I think. I had the idea running through my head that you were TOO good with your assessments and ability to "look town" to be newbie town. You had to be scum and your skill had to be coming from close interactions with your scum coach. I remembered last in the scum QT the coach talked a looottt so I was thinking... obzy posts very infrequently, they're very thought out posts, and he's convinced everyone with a pity case that will probably never be broken. Scum!

I think sylver could have convinced me of obzy or da0ud being scum lol. I'm so bad. If clarity had just claimed VT instead of blue, I'd have defended him to his death XD

Ok anyway, GG.
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 16:18:09
November 08 2012 16:16 GMT
#1711
Also Clarity, I'd like to post something that I asked Hapa in one of my "pliiz coach me bro" ramblings.

I'm finding it hard to find the confidence in believing his[Clarity's] lynch will flip red, mostly because of how difficult it has been to actually make a convincing argument that he is. About the only "sure" tell that I have is his reaction to the whole VT claim ordeal and that's only because I know for a fact he's not blue, he could still be telling the truth about "finding out" and just be an overzealous VT trying to protect the blue players through not claiming. Comparatively, I could make a Rad or Obzy scum case in my sleep. Or even da0ud, possibly, but I'm not 100% sure on that.


I don't actually know if I was entirely right on that last point, because I never actually tried to make a case against either of them. But I found it really hard to find convincing evidence against you other than the Cheese incident™.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 16:23:34
November 08 2012 16:18 GMT
#1712
That is a good thing, right? :D

edit: Basically, I claimed blue to pull you into the open. With the tiny tiny chance rad is bluffing and there's no counter claim.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 08 2012 16:25 GMT
#1713
I would like to thanks Hapa as well because I have been using his help a lot.
At some point during D1 when I was reading the thread while Rad and debears had their pissing contest about the fluff or not fluff ordeal, I thought that I should be looking about the players that I didn't notice. And that how I found Clarity ^^
Hapa encouraged me to have this mindset so I thought I was on the good tracks.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 08 2012 16:27 GMT
#1714
On November 09 2012 01:00 Alsn wrote:
Oh and yea, I figured SDM would pick up on my cop breadcrumb. :D I was actually wondering if he was in the /obs QT.


Thanks man, you know I need help to make good reads :p
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
November 08 2012 16:28 GMT
#1715
On November 09 2012 01:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
That is a good thing, right? :D

edit: Basically, I claimed blue to pull you into the open. With the tiny tiny chance rad is bluffing and there's no counter claim.
Yes, that's how I meant it anyway. :D

Oh, I see, yea, I kinda figured that was it but I couldn't be sure. In that same PM to Hapa I just quoted I rambled on about my role probably being useless even if I didn't claim(because I figured I'd look scummy and Djod or an actual scum would block me if I didn't claim) so I was expecting having to claim if people stopped suspecting you and started figuring that I was scum for some reason.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 08 2012 16:32 GMT
#1716
Aside from the scum slip I think Clarity played well. I had a hard time believing in his explanation, but other than that he came off as townie to me. From QT:

I feel like Clarity has been coming off as very townie in his responses lately. The one thing I find weird is that he picked up the VT PM discrepancy and PMd marv about it. I would never ever have:

1. Picked up on that
2. Wondered if scum had gotten the VT PM
3. Realized there was a risk of fake claim by scum if that was the case

To me it still seems more likely that he poked hole in Cheese's claim because he was scum and thus knew scum had that same info. That's why I sympathize with Djo's case. But I do lean Sylv + Rad.

We obviously have proof that VT Cake reached step 1 in that thought process, but didn't go to 2 or 3. Occam's razor would say that it's more likely Clarity is scum. It's the easy explanation. My feeling is he's townie.


Cliffs: Always go with occam.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 08 2012 16:36 GMT
#1717
What is occam? =]
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 08 2012 16:36 GMT
#1718
@ Clarity

I think that if you were really sick you should totally have used it as an excuse. The best way to play scum is to use your own emotions to look sincere in your posting and in the story you are telling everybody about (it is always the story of this bad town player with awful reads).
In newbies, people tend to get very emotional

Obzy "defeated" post was just the best way for him to look town. You could also feel his relief after that when people trusted him more. First game is always very frustrating ^^
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 08 2012 16:40 GMT
#1719
And Hapa, Rad voted on a town read once (Debears) and said he'd be willing lynch his town read Clarity for information. The scum tell you were talking about in XXVII seems to fail me every time :p

Yeah, Rad didn't say Debears was town at the time he voted for him, but he seemed like scum getting his story mixed up. I thought Alsn's questioning of Rad was him being on the right track, but I was wrong. Rad did some townie stuff as well, but I disagree he established himself as town. N1+ he was the only townie not being clear townie imo.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
November 08 2012 16:41 GMT
#1720
Djo, You underestimate how easy it is to fake emotions as scum.

Especially if they're half true anyways.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
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