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Djodref
France3332 Posts
You have played well. I've found you because you were too neutral and because you have reacted aggressivly to my advice on your list. Cheese claim was unfortunate for everybody and you should have not commented at that time. And you were too much of a punching ball under my pressure. Townies are usually indignated under pressure. If you had claimed VT when Rad was hard defending you (just before or.just after my claim), I think I would have entered a period of doubts. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
Clarity is most likely lying, as I do not think there would be a second Cop. The reason for that is that I'm cop. I knew that Djod was telling the truth about roleblocking me last night, but I wasn't sure how "sure" I could be about his roleclaim being correct. I know I was because I did not get a result. I investigated Obzy last night because I was worried about him having such a strong town read on both me and Rad(who I at the time thought was town). My terrible crumb for that claim can be found here: + Show Spoiler + On November 06 2012 07:03 Alsn wrote: Ok, just would like to say that I've been looking over Clarity and Djodref today. I feel like Clarity has a good chance of being town. He tried to break up the fight between debears and Rad over the percentage, he made a case against debears at a time where I thought myself that debears might be scum. I don't get the feeling that he's only trying to stay consistent. If he was worried about that I don't think he would have jumped on Cheese for the claim as hard as he did. Since a scum Clarity would have known that Cheese was town, I'd be much more suspicious of him if he chickened out and voted debears in order to stay consistent. Instead he attacked Cheese pretty hard for claiming, something which was sure to bring him a lot of attention seeing as he would have known how the Cheese lynch would end. I'm however not as sure about Djod. He's definitely acting like I would expect a town Djod to act(acting like Clarity has "lost" the game and should just reveal his partner and stuff like that definitely fits with town Djod from XXVIII. I also don't see why he would ask about scum mechanics(framer mechanics, specifically) out in the open if he was scum. Nor why he would attack Cheese(who a scum Djod would know was town) for joking. All those things considered, I find most of his accusations to be really empty, like he's looking for "excuses" to attack someone, rather than actually considering their motives. He attacks sylver for vote pressuring, something which Cheese pointed out and that I commended him for, but I dismissed it later because I was thinking "nah, that's just Djod!". His case against Clarity then accuses clarity of blending in and not following up on his reads. Yet Clarity actually gave pretty convincing answers for why he hadn't done so. He kept saying he was going to make a case in the latter half of D1, he did. He had also stated that well before Djod made his case against him. The latter half of Djod's case against Clarity is seeing ghosts where there are none. He accuses Clarity of denying making a list but the post Djod quotes says nothing of the sort. I'm suspecting maybe there's some confirmation bias shenanigans going on here, but I can see where Cheese was coming from with regards to how hard it is to read Djod. That being said, if there aren't any other scummy looking people tomorrow, Djod is looking like my vote is best placed for now. I haven't yet looked into sylver very much since the beginning half of D1, but we have two days. I'm thinking I might need to look at Obzy next, or possibly Rad as I don't have much other than that I like their posting so far. And I'd also like it if da0ud answered my question from earlier today. With that, I feel like things need to start rolling again before I know for sure who I want to lynch tomorrow. I'm off to sleep, although I can check in after I finish watching the DS9 episode I'm currently watching if anyone wants to know something. Unfortunately, I didn't really expect that I wouldn't be able to breadcrumb my result and that was the best I could come up with for my good night post. I investigated him because I thought he'd be the least likely of being framed, and because I knew if there was a possible framer, a green check was more reliable than a red check. I also read in Ace's vigi/cop guide that investigating "lynch bait" was bad form, so I went with the highest scum read I had at the time that was in no danger of being lynched. However, I have a breadcrumb for my actual role. On November 05 2012 10:17 Alsn wrote: Snut = Swedish slang for cop, snut film = cop movie. Go google translate swedish -> english and type "snut" if you'd like. Djod, thanks for the inspiration as it's outright plagiarism of your XXVIII claim.This flavour... I feel like I'm part of a snut film or some weird fanfic. But well, that truly sucks, I seriously hoped I was actually right because this is a pretty shitty situation. It would have been way better if people had been forced to actually vote for someone with reasoning other than pretty much the entire wagon sheeping. That being said, I'm confident that there's something of value among all these votes and the chaos pre-lynch. That'll have to wait for tomorrow however as I really need to be getting some sleep. I was pretty worried that Djod was on the wrong track with Clarity when I went to bed last night. Suffice to say, I'm not any longer. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
sorry Alsn sorry debears Alsn roleclaim is legit btw the way, we share the extra info in common but I have failed to see it N1 | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
Unfortunately, I think the claim was bait to get me to claim due to scum seeing Clarity as a lost cause but things being as they were I didn't want to risk Clarity getting away. I guess I'll just have to be happy with being a glorified VT. | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
I will need to leave for a couple of hours soon, but I'll only be gone for max two hours and then I'll be around until lynch. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On November 07 2012 21:49 Djodref wrote: You can detect a scum bussing his partner here because sylverfyre shows absolutely no doubt about Clarity alignment. But sylver play was very scummy anyway. Active lurking, low investment in the game, poor scumhunting. Almost too scummy to be scum... Clarity should have bussed him D1 imho... I'm a bit offended by the "active lurking" part. Until yesterday I was plenty active. Yesterday I was pretty well convinced that Clarity was scum, every time I peek at the thread, Djo is still going crazy and Clarity is still scummy, and I still don't know where the second scum is. Yesterday was MY BRITHDAY. A lot of my scumhunting has been criticizing people for using questionable tactics. Questionable tactics are a great way for scum to hide while looking like they're being effective townies, I see no problem with using it as a way to scumhunt. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On November 07 2012 21:49 Djodref wrote: You can detect a scum bussing his partner here because sylverfyre shows absolutely no doubt about Clarity alignment. But sylver play was very scummy anyway. Active lurking, low investment in the game, poor scumhunting. Almost too scummy to be scum... Clarity should have bussed him D1 imho... You also showed absolutely no doubt about his alignment. You want to know what I found damning? | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On November 05 2012 12:05 sylverfyre wrote: So. Cheesecake does his flavor-roleclaim. Who follows? Clarity's the first to really manipulate people into looking at him favorably. (when he had looked bad all game) FOS: Clarity Debears is involved as well, but he doesn't make much of it for a bit - he sits back and lets it play out. He's not for or against it. It's not until Rad warns about dropping blue targets that debears backs off. FOS Debears. Strong Town read on Rad. Shortly after night 1 started. I was targetting Clarity here because knowingly manipulated cheesecake into "confirming" him as VT based on flavor. I don't understand your arguments about flavor between you and Clarity today at ALL though. I really would rather throw these flavor arguments out the window because it's pretty clear to me at this point that marv has no intention of flavor being a mechanic for outing people this game, and I've thought this since he posted that everyone has the VT flavor PM. I also think it's perfectly reasonable for Clarity, who got modkilled last game, to PM marv with all the rules questions he possibly could have. This has 0 effect on my scum read on Clarity. A big thing which pushed me over the edge is how he is defending himself before his roleclaim with "why should I claim?" - I think that's something a real town player - especially a blue - would decide for themselves, rather than let their accuser make a case for why they should claim. On the other hand, I think I have perfectly normal motivations for why I was trying to get Djo to stop calling for a claim. As for why I asked Djo to stop calling for a claim - I'm sitting on the sidelines here. It was pretty clear to see that Clarity claiming blue, fake OR real, means that both our blues are out in the open. 9 player games typically have 2 mafia 2 blue (I run them IRL all the time, and that's what I run with, anyway. Obviously it's different and I don't know the setup, but I have no reason to believe that there's 3 blue.) As for who I think is scummy? I'm thinking it's Obzy or da0ud. Rad still seems genuine to me, Alsn counterclaimed the way he was forced to. | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
On November 08 2012 00:03 sylverfyre wrote: "Plan"? What in my statement was anywhere complicated enough that it constitutes a "plan"? I don't see any scenario where trying to "catch" the last scum with the JK roleblock is anything but the optimal strategy, known or not. Trying to protect anyone from being killed when you also have a roleblock attached is silly imho. Going after someone who's scummy(and revealing the name) is by far the best option. If he hits scum, scum can't NK or frame or roleblock at all that night. If he doesn't, the entire thread gains information equal to a cop check with only one exception, if scum decides not to kill anyone. It's a win-win.Kinda wish you let djo come to his own conclusion on that. Now scum knows the Night action plan too. Though I guess if Djo doesn't like it, the scum ends up in a WIFOM situation trying to outsmart the blue powers? | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I lol'd  Sorry I was phone posting and very excited ^^ | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 07 2012 23:15 sylverfyre wrote: You also showed absolutely no doubt about his alignment. You want to know what I found damning? @ Sylver Are you accusing me to be scum ? I've never said I was 100% sure of myself before his claim. Maybe I've said 95%... As I've said, we have extra info (Alsn and me) to know for sure that blue Clarity was impossible. Anyway, argue all the way you want, you are my next "tunnel to the death" target and you are spending your night in jail. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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