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On November 07 2012 19:06 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 18:59 Djodref wrote:By the way, you should not have said that you were roleblocked because you don't know it for sure. The thing that would have happened is that you got no result for your investigation  I'm curious to see what Alsn is going to say when he comes back... Well if he was Cop and he cannot see if the person he wants to investigate is green or red, I think it is safe to assume he has been roleblocked....
I know but it's not what he said. Add this to the fact that he has no breadcrumb and was only hinting at the fact that he was a blue after being brought on everyone radar. Remember how Dandel claim was convenient last game.
This fakeclaim is as convenient as Dandel fakeclaim last game.
Anyway, at the exception of Alsn who has not seen the latest developpements yet, do you see anyone more scummy than Clarity and Sylver ? I don't.
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On November 07 2012 18:55 Djodref wrote:@ ClarityThank you ! Right now, I know for sure that you are 100% scum. Nice fakeclaim by the way Unfortunately, I cannot use my trump card against you right now ;( but I'm going to explain to you why I knew you were lying about being blue when this game ends. But it's mainly based on the fact that it is less likely for a blue to ask your question to marv than for a VT.If all the VT here had doubts about you going ask the question to the host, I know that he is lying when he says he did this as a blue.
"It is mainly based on the fact that it is LESS LIKELY, that's why I'm 100% convinced."
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On November 07 2012 19:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
Couldn't help myself from checkin in. Djo, you are talking about the fact that your pm, and my pm, state that you cannot post the flavor of your role, just your role.
The reason I said "marv told me" was because that was the only way to remain ambiguous about my role.
No, even if you said "I won't share the flavor" doesn't make you 100% confirmed.
You claim to have this magical proof that my claim is false, and I claim anyway. Now you are saying you can't tell us until the game ends?
I've already explained my reasoning for pming marv despite knowing the VT flavor. It's that I wanted to know if scum knew flavor, and more importantly, I wanted to know if VT knew that the others knew flavor.
If I investigate you, and I get nothing back, the conclusion is I got roleblocked. Do not argue semantics with me.
No this is something else. I know for 100% that your claim is fake for another reason that I cannot give.
I BEG EVERYONE WHO HAS FAITH IN ME AND IN MY CLAIM TO FOLLOW MY VOTE ON CLARITY. I PROMISE YOU AN EXPLANATION FOR THE ENDGAME WHICH IS COMING SOON. HOPEFULLY, ALSN IS GOING TO CLAIM BLUE AND SUPPORT MY STANCE.
DANDEL ION FAKECLAIM 2012 ! NEVER FORGET !
DO NOT LET THE MAFIA FOOL YOU TWICE !
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On November 07 2012 19:14 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 18:55 Djodref wrote:@ ClarityThank you ! Right now, I know for sure that you are 100% scum. Nice fakeclaim by the way Unfortunately, I cannot use my trump card against you right now ;( but I'm going to explain to you why I knew you were lying about being blue when this game ends. But it's mainly based on the fact that it is less likely for a blue to ask your question to marv than for a VT.If all the VT here had doubts about you going ask the question to the host, I know that he is lying when he says he did this as a blue. "It is mainly based on the fact that it is LESS LIKELY, that's why I'm 100% convinced."
I should have said that it was not likely at all ^^
Do not argue on semantics please
Could you write us the best case you can do on sylver and help us win this game ?
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"You guys, have faith!
Remember last game? Hear my fearmongering!"
Stop being ambiguous, stop making contradictory points.
You either have evidence, or you do not. If you were not able to share some information, why would you tell us you have information to be shared?
This whole thing reeks of terrible town play. You cannot simply make a promise and then go "oh well... marv told me I couldn't... so..."
Why wouldn't you ask marv before telling us you have this magical piece of the puzzle, or if you did and he replied "no, you can't say that" then why bring it up at all?
Your entire case on me has boiled down to you ramming your head against me for the past 3 days, and convincing about half the people.
Suddenly you have this macguffin that explains it all, but you can't tell us. What are you, the church of scientology?
Make a case. Have no contradictions in it. Do not have points in it that I have addressed unless you have a rebuttal to those replies.
Can you do this?
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Clarity is 100% confirmed scum
If you believe in me, please believe in this !
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That's what I thought. 25 minutes and that's what you come up with.
This is the game of Mafia. Guys, do not believe for the sake of believing. Believe in rational thinking and logical conclusions.
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I'm not talking to him anymore and you should do the same
[b]@ Clarity[b]
No hard feelings bro, this is just a game
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Phone posting formatting is hard
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There are no hard feelings I promise, it's a game, but I don't understand how you basically just claimed you have no good case, yet are 100% certain.
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They are already plenty of good cases against you.
As far as Im concerned, you have just claimed scum with your fakeclaim.
Now its reduced to a battle of votes and influence.
Rad, Obzy, daoud
I know that you are regular fappers. Please consider that there is no one more scummy than Clarity and sylv among us and vote him for the sake of the free porn industry.
Alsn
I expect you to counter claim medic. Please back me up on this one
sylver
please tell your partner Clarity the mafia roleblocker that it is time to concede
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not totally sure for a blue Alsn though
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Your argument has degenerated into logical fallacies and fear mongering. I hope everyone sees this.
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Come on, we both know better 
I'm pretty sure that daoud and Obzy are going to stay on my side. Can I count on you guys ? I need 100% blindless support.
I know that sylv is your partner
Rad might believe your claim but he was expecting a VT Clarity
So it's down to Alsn ^^
Alsn <3
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I'll write the killing case if I need to but I don t think so..
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You need to choose yourself an hypothetical scumteam by the way
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On November 07 2012 19:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
There are no hard feelings I promise, it's a game, but I don't understand how you basically just claimed you have no good case, yet are 100% certain.
I'm a real blue, so I have an extra information that I unfortunately cannot disclose, and this extra information gives me you as a liar. That's why I wanted you to claim so much ^^
I've been warning everybody from a fake blueclaim from you since a long time now so they'll notice that I'm consistent on this one and I trust them into sheeping on me
Can you guess what is this extra information ?
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On November 07 2012 12:58 Rad wrote:
@djo
My trust in him is based on how similarly we seem to be thinking. You'd have to be a VT in this game to understand, I think. Surely anyone who is a VT this game had cheese's same thoughts rush through their mind when they noticed the lack of flavor text. We'd be like this little secret society, you see, that only we'd know about. Perhaps if we were just more experienced at the game we'd know this would be too OP, but we're newbies, and the idea was delicious.
Cheese had the thought and ran with it, explained it to debears, debears *high fived* cheese over it, and although I had that same thought at one point in the game, I PM'd the host as soon as cheese dropped the claim the first time. By the time they were high-fiving, I had already gotten back a response, and had been brewing over why a town would be claiming right now. Was he just a VT being wreckless, or a scum trying to get people to claim? Why claim at that point when there's no reason to? Wtf? There's absolutely no reason to claim right then. Is a scum cheese trying to pull some crazy shit? That's what first went through my mind, but i realized that no, there's no fucking way a scum would do this right now, trading scum life for possible (not even guaranteed) information is a terrible trade. I can see how clarity wouldn't have necessarily come to this conclusion though, so he kept his vote on cheese.
You need to look at clarity's reactions to cheese during that incident. They don't push blame, they're looking for all the appropriate answers, and everything he did (except not switching to debears) mirrored my own thoughts during the the scenario. Does that mean he's necessarily VT? Nah, but I was right about cheese and debears, and I think I'm right about clarity.
Djo, if he flips red, I fully expect to be lynched. But, do you think that's a good scum move to put myself out there so much? Do you think it's a good scum move to constantly defend him against your attacks if we're a scum team?
@ Rad
Thank you very much for this post. I don't think you could have made a post more "townie-like" than this one.
Anyway, you have shown some sympathy towards Clarity and Cheese because you could see yourself in their shoes. Do you understand now that my main and strongest point against Clarity is that he did not show any sympathy at all towards Cheese, with the same style of play and the same scumread ?
By the way, I think that you gave the idea of a PM to the host to the mafia team without realizing it ^^
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Please think about it again and then read again Obzy post that I have quoted. There is some gold in his spoiler.
Also notice how Clarity and Sylverfyre have stopped to play this game.
You were making fun of me last game when I have asked Roco bluntly if he was mafia or not. Guess what, I did the same move against sylver and the result is -> no denial
You should also be able to see this in Clarity behavior. I've been tunneling hard for 50 hours and there are no insults, no denial, not so many rebutals. Only defense and defense and desperate defense...
This is also indicative of mafia play ^^
I'm sorry Clarity by the way. I was litteraly raging at seeing you alive
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On November 07 2012 14:40 sylverfyre wrote:
No surprises here. Nothing he's said has absolved him. And I have no reason to doubt Djo's alignment (though I still reserve the right to doubt his strategy calls - as risky as it was to claim, it worked. Well.
##Vote Clarity
Sorry I haven't been very active today. It's kinda my birthday and I had a really long day (I'm sure a few of you noticed the icon on me while server was on November 6)
da0ud, are you saying I'm preferred based on WIFOM that rad is more associated with clarity, therefore it ISN'T Rad? I attacked clarity pretty much right after the lynch Day 1.
You can detect a scum bussing his partner here because sylverfyre shows absolutely no doubt about Clarity alignment.
But sylver play was very scummy anyway. Active lurking, low investment in the game, poor scumhunting. Almost too scummy to be scum...
Clarity should have bussed him D1 imho...
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