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The post of mine which you qouted is actually something I want from scum and town. I don't like people getting lynched without posting their reads. When a town does it we all suffer from not having it in the thread and when mafia does it we also suffer as it is usually possible to glean something from a mafia's death post simply because they try to make it unreadable. How does your read change with my case? | ||
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the hell with my midterm Fuba, respond to my case in your first post back in the thread. Don't give yourself excuses. | ||
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Are you, Acro, really so unsure of your scum reads that you want to no lynch? You have been pretty confidant all game that I am scum, why drop it now in favour of a no lynch? In asking Muso for reads I 1) did think he was likely to flip town at that point, his lynch had been pushed through too easily and 2) assumed that if he was scum and had made the worst scum play in ever he might post reads too. In LC DP was scum and Fuba was town. Both have flipped on their LC meta. Fuba is not as bad a player as he is showing in this game and he doesn't give himself apologetics as town. | ||
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On November 06 2012 03:19 Acrofales wrote: I'll interact with you. I was looking over Fuba's meta and trying to make up my mind about you, hopeless or a no-lynch. I didn't manage yet. Are those your only three options? | ||
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On November 06 2012 03:36 Acrofales wrote: Atm yes. I prefer a no-lynch to mkfuba or release. How about you. What do you think of a no-lynch? I prefer a lynch on a scum. We're in mylo if scum and SK hit town but that would be SK playing against his win con. For him to win he NEEDS to shoot scum as much as we need to lynch scum. Given the low activity of the thread allowing scum to night kill one of the more active townies would be hugely detrimental to us. I think lynching while we are all still alive and in the game would be best for us. If we allow scum to kill the person they want to be gone I have a hard time believing that this town will lynch correctly d3. A no lynch is almost never the right choice in my eyes. Risk is playing to his townie meta, look at him in LC. He has one read at a time, doesn't do anything, thinks everyone is dumb for calling him scummy. That seems to be Risk in a nutshell. Also I happen to agree with him on the no-lynch thing, you are daft. What he said about the no-lynch is 100% true in my opinion. If we had gotten everyone to promise to improve and had started to see that a NL might make sense, as it is I just don't see the benefit. Kush: what are your thoughts on the rest of the lynch candidates? Me, Fuba, Hopeless, Draz. Post your damn reads. I get that you think that DP is scummy and while I don't disagree I don't think that he is the scummiest dude around. We need to start consolidating now. | ||
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Everyone and anyone who is lurking the thread needs to post now. I know you are here as the views go up and the posts stay the same. If you are in the thread you must post now. | ||
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Go look at your case on lvdr (as a townie, it is on page two of your filter) and realize how much work you put into playing. I don't have much free time either but when I get five minutes I'm in the thread posting. Scum hunt for me. If you are town you will do more for us by scum hunting than by defending yourself. Defence noted, now go look for scum. Risk: your read of me hasn't changed in the last ~48 hours and yet I've been posting my way along that whole time. Finally remembered what I know and stopped defending myself to scum hunt and all you have to say is that you still want to lynch me. Expand on this please. Kush: I was saying I don't like the SK hunt here. I think lynching him would hurt our chances more than lynching a townie. SK can soak a bullet and can kill scum. At the moment he is pretty much a town vig with an alternate win-con. I do want to lynch scum and not SK. That was what I was saying. I'm off to filter dive DP. See ya soon. | ||
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On November 06 2012 05:07 kushm4sta wrote: mkfuba doesn't look scummy anymore from that last post. Yes he does. He hasn't done anything and now when there is a case on him he says that it is wrong but tells me that I can't know his thoughts. I know what he posted and what he has told town and what he has said is totally different from what he says now. He looks like he is covering his ass and trying to stay alive while not doing anything to help town. | ||
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DP doesn’t do that though, he gives his meta read and makes a big deal out of it. This begins his long standing tradition of attempting to buddy the weaker players in this game. After Muso claims DP is at first slightly accusative and calls out Muso as scum BEFORE any of the shenanies are revealed. On November 01 2012 12:54 DarthPunk wrote: Kush got mason's and millers confused. It was probably a bad idea to claim. Unless you are scum and are claiming with no proof. Do you have a breadcrumb? If I am reading this right he is saying that unless Muso has a BC (which obviously he doesn’t since that was his first post) he is probably scum. This seems like a decent way to try to force Muso to claim his partner and, if he refuses, to push him as scum. Remember at this point we had no real reason to doubt his claim (albeit it was an odd one). Now, after suggesting that Muso is scum DP comes out with On November 01 2012 13:00 DarthPunk wrote: Well. Let's just wait till he finishes reading the thread and see shall we? Which is a buddying attempt mixed with a clear town read. “no guys, this guy seems legit, back off him for a minute” this is a direct contradiction of his earlier post. On November 01 2012 13:07 DarthPunk wrote: To see WTF is going on hopefully. I am unsure if his second partner should claim if he even exists. I doubt he could verify his claim without his second partner however. And even if he did claim without breadcrumbs it could just be a mass fake claim. This is pretty bad IMO. Looking at DP’s next post I try to see the townie motivation for insisting that this claim is fake, sure some doubt is good but, again, there is no reason to be up in arms about this claim while, once again, DP fishes for the partner claim. Now I read this as a red move by DP but I could be good ole fashioned green Cartesian radical doubt (who knew philosophy would be helpful for mafia). Dp next says that Muso fake claim is terribad On November 01 2012 13:09 DarthPunk wrote: WTF are you talking about. You realise that if he was scum trying to mislynch you with a fake mason claim that would be almost as retarded as claiming unaware nosy neighbour right? Even though he had made it clear that he was doubting the claim himself. In his next post on the Muso situation he Promises to vote Muso for fake claiming even though he has already said that 1) Fake claim as Scum is hurr durr and 2) release looks so pants-shittingly scummy it isn’t even funny. When Release switches onto Draz (release who was sooo scummy) DP says he’d be down with hitting draz in reply to Release. How did DP’s top scum read suddenly get sheeped? Even though DP would be up for a Draz lynch he votes Muso. There were three candidates d1 and DP was happy to lynch any of them. This ambivalence to the lynch makes him seem quite scummy (though since he was opposed to lynching me it will also make me look scummy if he flips red). The thing is he doesn’t even post on me until n1 when I am no longer a lynch candidate. On November 03 2012 15:40 DarthPunk wrote: Welp. Muso got himself lynched by fake claiming for no fucking reason then playing dumb and then not playing dumb. All in all he played pretty dumb. I am super hungover and TL went down Whilst I caught up. But I have a few reads. Despite prplz looking scummy to many, It is my policy to judge replacement on their actions and not those of their predecessor. And prome has been very pro town IMO. Obviously I am worried as I heard that in his newbie scum game he looked very pro town also. I am concerned at acro tunnelling prom despite prom looking very townie to me. And the fact that it is based on a few bad posts from prplz irks me. My biggest scum reads from my cursory glance of the thread are Drazak and release. I plan to go into filters and take a look around presently. If anyone has any questions for me or would like my perspective on anything feel free to ask. I currently don't have the grasp on this game that I would usually like so some discussion would be rewarding I feel. OK that's it. Im going do more reading in between LOL games. Why does this post start with that description? DP makes this lynch Muso’s fault even though he, DP, was on this lynch. This is a very obvious attempt to distance himself from a townie lynch which has a clear scum agenda behind it. After all this he blah blah blahs about his party and hates on lists (which sure, are awful) On November 04 2012 02:47 DP says he’ll be more involved and that his weekend wilds are behind him. That was a lie though I don’t know whether to ascribe it to town wanting to be more involved and fialing or to scum lying to skate by. Null tell. DP jumps on Kush for a mistake in Kush’s posting where Kush says that he thinks that Muso is town and votes him. I think it was clear if you had read the thread up until that point that what Kush thought was that all the lynch candidates were town but that Muso had the best chance to flip red. DP jumps on that mistake like a slutty girl on a dick and rides it for all he is worth. But as soon as Kush says what he meant DP is off him again. DP is trying to find a place where his focus can stick but no one seems quite scummy enough. DP also fails to read Acro’s reasons for voting me and lumps Acro in with Kush as using a flavour reason, obviously not Acro’s reasoning. DP actions next follow two paths 1) telling Kush to stop with his flavour theory and 2) defending me Those are scummy actions right there. DP spams 1 for 1 with kush every time Kush says something about flavour DP tells him to stop. Spam. When I am called scum he passionately defends me. Still buddying weak players. DP get incredibly defensive when I call him out for buddying me, On November 04 2012 22:55 DarthPunk wrote: I am not buddying you. I know your town meta. And this game you are coming off strongly town to me. I am frankly astounded others can't/choose not to see it. I don;t give a fuck what you think of me to be honest. I don't want to mislynch. I think we will mislynch an active townie if we lynch you so i want to stop that. And injects what felt at the time like fake emotion into his post. Re-reading it I get that same feeling. So while DP feels less scummy to me than Fuba I could consolidate unto him to ensure a lynch. His play has been indicative of what is either a totally confused townie or a scummy scum. It is easier for me to believe that DP is playing scum scummily than it is to see him as a bad town. As such he is in my red column. I see that he has posted again during my write-up. I am interested to see that I am his best town read (I assume since he’ll vote for “anyone else”) and I’d like to ask: DP, why is it that I am more townie than anyone else in this game to you? Is this still a meta argument? | ||
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On November 06 2012 05:40 Acrofales wrote: Did you read my list post at night? Nothing much has changed since then. That is rather shocking, as I hoped he would participate more. I haven't actually paid much attention to him. Why do you think he's not town? It isn’t so much that I think he is not town it is more the fact that I don’t have him as a high town read. His play since his claim has been almost non-existent and that isn’t thrawn. I feel like his claim was a little too easy, he was a one-shot cop so he can’t make any more checks, it isn’t too weird if he isn’t NK’d and he can contribute nothing while being ‘confirmed’ maybe it is just me but I found that play suspicious. Claims are always a little dodgy when there is no way to prove them. On November 06 2012 05:54 Acrofales wrote: Yes. And the improbability of a vig shooting Zealos. I don’t see this at all. If I had a bullet Zealos would be up there on my list. Explain please. Risk, you share my thoughts. | ||
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On November 06 2012 06:01 Acrofales wrote: Don't really want to speculate about NKs as it leads to giant wifom. However, if you want, I expect scum was simply shooting at someone who was fairly townie, but no chance of protection: Zealos. Mattchew got shot by the SK for being a veteran. You got fairly townie from Zealos' play? You said it was null two seconds ago. | ||
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On November 06 2012 06:03 risk.nuke wrote: If thats your read on zealos why don't you think it was a mafia kp? He said that he does think it was Mafia KP. He thought that Matt was the SK. | ||
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On November 06 2012 06:08 risk.nuke wrote: Okey, must have missed that. Thanks and Apologies. @acro: scum = mafia. What are your thoughts on today's lynch? Where will your vote be and why? | ||
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I still think that Fuba is scummier and we SHOULD lynch him. He hasn't had time to play the game but he does have time to line by line defend himself from a huge case and vanish once more. He seems like a townie with no time though, eh? Really? You read me as a master scum player and you think Fuba is just some kid who is asleep at the wheel? Also, although this isn't the point Marv is no longer undefeated look at GSL III. Your case against me hasn't gotten better the longer you go. You are pushing me and have been since d1. Do you think I am unaware of how easy it is as scum to use the tunnel to insulate yourself. Your play is scummy and, if I had the town cred I'd be bringing this lynch to you. Unfortunately I don't hold that sway in this town so I'm pursuing my secondary reads. | ||
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On November 06 2012 06:24 Acrofales wrote: Okay people, if you don't want a no-lynch, show your votes. The fact that the votecount is still all over the map is simply an indication that you DO want a no-lynch but are too chickenshit to say so. I am totally behind a Promethelax lynch, and to a lesser extent Hopeless1der. Anything else I cannot get behind at the moment unless you find the mother of all scumslips. The case Prom made on DP reads convincingly, however scum can easily pick at the weak spots of a player, because they never have to consider he is also town. Prom jumped on DP out of fucking nowhere. He was ALL over fuba, but that didn't gain traction, so BLAM, monster case on DP. Here is what Prom had to say about DP just a little bit before the case: Why the sudden change of heart? Because as Kush pointed out earlier DP's meta was called out in that game. His change was to being less involved in the game and less of a strong player. That is not a change of heart. | ||
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On November 06 2012 06:26 Promethelax wrote: Because as Kush pointed out earlier DP's meta was called out in that game. His change was to being less involved in the game and less of a strong player. That is not a change of heart. Well that posted before I was finished with it... change of heart...This is me looking back at a player and convincing myself of his alignment. I wasn't loving DP's play although it was a change from his scum meta in LC it was not a change to the pro-town and so that alone was not enough for me to see him as town. It is his attitude and play which makes him scummy not his meta. | ||
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On November 06 2012 06:27 risk.nuke wrote: Any of the list of candidates I provided earlier > No-Lynch. But with the lack of pressence in the thread right now we're not looking like we can lynch anyone. We're 4 here right now. You (risk) Me (prome) Thrawn Acro DP Kush Draz that is enough to lynch. Don't give up now. | ||
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On November 06 2012 06:43 mkfuba07 wrote: I've been here the whole time. I take a while to read and write. Not sure if I've mentioned that  Did I say to stop giving yourself excuses? I could have sworn that I did. Also On November 06 2012 06:31 mkfuba07 wrote: I can't get anything in mafia done in five minutes, lol. kush, you understand me so well it makes it hard to keep calling you an evil godfather or sk <3 I definitely don't want a no-lynch. Town only has so many opportunities to kill scum, and without a vig, or possibly a vig who saved his shot and is aiming at me tonight, I don't think no-lynching is the best call. Draz is now second on my scumlist, and his participation since returning hasn't changed my view on him. I maintain that I would be more than willing to vote for kush, as his play this game seems very conducive to an SK playstyle imo. The pesky green check is getting in the way, though. Since a kush lynch is pretty impossible at this moment, and most people have shown an aversion to lynching drazak today, I'm going to place my vote on hopeless1der. I was more convinced of his scumminess than towniness by Acro's case. Particularly the scummy mindset portion. My strongest opposition for a hope lynch is that drazak is also voting for him, but his wasn't a particularly strong case. I think hopeless has a stronger possibility of flipping scum than town. ##Vote hopeless1der I haven't seen anything overtly scummy from Prome, but other people have a point in that today hasn't been as convincing of his towniness as D1 most certainly was. On November 06 2012 06:33 mkfuba07 wrote: Oh, to avoid a no-lynch I will sheep my top town read: Acro. I'd rather not lynch him, but I think our chances of winning are greater as long as there is a lynch today. and who is acro voting? Oh yeah, me. What the hell is this wishy washy crap! Thinking I am scum is one thing, thinking I am town and saying that you'd vote me as a sheep is another thing entirely. My fiance just made a good point: in my town games I regularly get called out as looking "too townie" and have been mislynched for it before in NMM XXII I think. (the fact that she cared enough about mafia to remember that is a win in my life) On November 06 2012 06:36 Acrofales wrote: As with anything, to score brownie points with the likes of you. Cannot score too many brownie points, of course, or you end up lynching scum all the time. However, the chance of him getting a lynch on me going, even with your flavour support, was rather absent. I do agree that it is weird, because you were also distracting pretty much everybody with your flow of inane flavour speculation. That alone is worth gold to scum. Let me think that bit over. I actually hadn't even considered this. All I wanted was for Kush to stop shitting up the thread since he was making it pretty unreadable with all of his flavour crap. I also would really like to push Acro but not on a false theory. If I do end up getting lynched today you all need to look at him, if it looks like I am getting lynched I'll be writing up my case on him so that you guys can use it after seeing my flip. | ||
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