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On November 05 2012 03:12 Hopeless1der wrote:I didn't find any breadcrumbs. However, I have a question: Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 23:54 Mattchew wrote:
If WBg balanced this game then one of me/acro/risk/prplhz are scum... I don't think acro is cause he woulda known Muso was town and that would be a crazy fucking move for a scum to make
Any merit to this statement from Mattchew? Would wbg handpick roles?
Many mods do. However, it is entirely possible the roles were RNG'd as well (also done in many normal games). Keep it in mind, though. It is simply an extra vector to balance the game, which may or may not have been used.
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EBWOP: The last argument is false. I didn't look at the timestamps in the posts Mattchew quoted and thought Release ended up on Muso. He didn't. The vote was just after I counterclaimed Muso, so it is not about the end of the day. Please disregard the final argument. The case is weaker without it, so rethinking Release vs. Promethelax for lynch candidate.
The case still stands, though:
1. Forced reasoning around Muso's mason claim
2. Guilty conscience
3. AFK when he is not under attack
All rather strong scumtells.
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On November 05 2012 03:56 Release wrote:
My final post was on prome. Just saying.
Does that change your case at all?
More to come.
LOL. Lurking much? Thanks for confirming my point about you only showing up when accused of being scum, scum.
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So you have a connection case based on Kush being scum. That is terrible.
I am not discounting the possibility that Kush is a godfather. I had him down as pretty scummy before now, for similar reasons as you have in your case. However, a green check is enough reason to at least let off him and give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
You, however, have been very scummy and do NOT have a green check. You addressed the very last bit of my case, which was wrong. You never voted for Muso. I am confused how Kush decided you were townie based on
On November 05 2012 04:47 Release wrote:
Passive lurking. I didn't make posts, you knew i was lurking, i'll even state that:
I was lurking.
But I'm not convinced. Also it's a nice coincidence that your 20-hour AFK streak ended JUST as I made a case against you. How convenient.
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Kush, explain this:
On November 05 2012 04:20 kushm4sta wrote:
With all this claim nonsense we forgot about hoe scummy release looks lol.
You case convinces me.
##unvote
##vote release
On November 05 2012 04:47 Release wrote:
Passive lurking. I didn't make posts, you knew i was lurking, i'll even state that:
I was lurking.
On November 05 2012 04:55 kushm4sta wrote:
##unvote
release gives me town vibes and I can't ignore that.
going to unvote until I figure things out.
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On November 05 2012 05:56 kushm4sta wrote:
ROFL guys I'm the ringleader...
do scum even make posts this ridiculous?
Don't ignore his case. It's the only one that makes sense. The connections are bollocks, but his ideas about you line up quite nicely with my own. You have been playing scummy and although Mattchew has a point that it would take balls of steel to actually play scum the way you are playing, that only covers part of it.
I feel scum would not be so overt and persistent about bluefishing. That and the green check are the only two things that are keeping you off my "obvious scum" list.
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Seeing as everybody still wants to kill Drazak, I'll give his filter another read and see whether anything has changed. Also gonna read risk.nuke again now that he has started playing in earnest.
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Drazak is phoning in this game. He was also fairly active when there was a marginal chance of him getting lynched and basically my read on him from yesterday still holds. However, he is really doing his best to do as little as possible.
@Drazak: elaborate on these completely throwaway accusations:
On November 04 2012 22:10 drazak wrote:
I don't like DP, he has a bunch of fluffy ass shit in his filter, I want to hear more from hope, he's been really lurky. probably my top two scum reads right now.
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On November 05 2012 02:39 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm still looking through Acro and Prome's filters, since I had a town read on both of them and apparently many people disagree. Glad to hear thrawn and Kush are both reasonably confirmed town.
One question: if there is an SK is it definitely mylo? Can't scum and SK kill each other?
You done reading yet? What do you think of Promethelax? Also, what do you think of Release?
@Kush: I get null on reading fuba. He doesn't read as townie, but he has not done anything scummy either (except fly under the radar). I have not checked his meta. For me, this feels like a lurker lynch. My reads on Release and Prom are quite a bit stronger.
+ Show Spoiler [mylo explanation] +
Regarding your question: it doesn't matter, it's still mylo. Mylo is counted as a worst-case scenario: medics and roleblockers could also save the town (in any scenario), but assuming NKs happen on townies, we would lose by mislynching.
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Also, thrawn sent in his DT check and went AFK :S Why isn't anybody actually playing this game?
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On November 05 2012 14:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush, do you believe my claim?
I'm not liking the release lynch too much because of how town atmosphere has been so far D2. For one, release hasn't let up on contributing, when someone asks him for an explanation he isn't reluctant to give it and they match up well with his earlier posts. I also got a town read from his crazy conspiracy scumteam association cases. Finally, there's been a very low amount of conversation so far and I'd expect there to be more going on if we were actually on the trail to catching a scum.
My weekend "activities" are almost concluded so soon I'll be posting in increasing frequency up until lynch. Thoughts on who I want to lynch will come along with that.
So what do you think of Promethelax?
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DRAZAK: where are you. You're going to get your ass lynched and I can't say I blame my fellow townies. You have done absolutely nothing since the end of D1. I'm starting to feel this whole "Drazak is scum" vibe.
Also, @thrawn: you say there has not been much talk about Release, but there has been plenty of resistance to lynching Release. Does that affect your thoughts?
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Okay, a bit more clarification on my thoughts. I am not feeling anybody at the moment. Thrawn is still my strongest town read. Risk.nuke to a certain extent.
Out of the rest, I don't feel comfortable with anybody, which is pretty damned pathetic this far into the game. Nobody is putting in even a minimum of effort except Promethelax and I am still trying to wrap my mind around him.
Kush has a green check, and is taking advantage of that to do absolutely nothing useful.
Release has a big conspiracy theory centered on the one person who pretty much everybody is in agreement would be a BAD lynch candidate today, namely the one person with a green check.
Mkfuba is semi-lurking with not much original thought at all.
Hopeless1der should know better than to be phoning in a brief thought every 10 hours or so.
Drazak has gone awol.
DarthPunk has gone awol.
Promethelax is at least playing the game. I am therefore revoking my will to lynch him based on simple activity. Another reason is his response to my case on Release. He did NOT take advantage of my reprieve to simply stop playing the game and even sheep me, which would have been the easy way out for a scum Promethelax.
A similar thing is starting to go for Release. Initially I was going to post a disclaimer that my main problem with a scum Release was that his play was erratic, which could be erratic town just as well as erratic scum. I then removed that disclaimer when I thought I found the mother of all scumslips, but it was actually an error on my part due to not looking at timestamps. I still think there's something in the "guilty conscience" and the "active lurking" accusations, but I am not sure I feel a lynch on him anymore.
Instead I am going to take a very very careful look at Hopeless1der, Fuba, Drazak and DP, because I am getting the feeling there's at least 2 scum hiding there, coasting their way to victory on the backs of a completely apathetic town.
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On November 05 2012 21:18 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 14:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush, do you believe my claim?
I'm not liking the release lynch too much because of how town atmosphere has been so far D2. For one, release hasn't let up on contributing, when someone asks him for an explanation he isn't reluctant to give it and they match up well with his earlier posts. I also got a town read from his crazy conspiracy scumteam association cases. Finally, there's been a very low amount of conversation so far and I'd expect there to be more going on if we were actually on the trail to catching a scum.
My weekend "activities" are almost concluded so soon I'll be posting in increasing frequency up until lynch. Thoughts on who I want to lynch will come along with that. What is the purpose in asking this? It seems weird to me.
Why does it seem weird?
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Not much to go on for Hopeless1der. I will thus make the case both ways, as I did for Muso. On Muso I felt the town case was stronger (as I said at the time). This time I am leaning towards scum:
The case for Hopeless1der
The scum mindset
On November 01 2012 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:<snip> Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 10:47 kushm4sta wrote:On November 01 2012 10:30 Release wrote:On November 01 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. and I highly doubt you would actually think this I was confused about whom we wanted to claim and which each were. So i checked the OP and the thing Hope posted and asked for clarification. Kush posted things based on a misunderstanding and i don't understand why he would not check the OP or ask for clarification. I mean, in Hope's post-quote, there was clearly a miller AND a mason. So it appears that Kush is setting himself up for a defense ( as I have said), and overeager to contribute. I guess you have never played with me before. Most of the time I don't think before I post and I'm quite capable of derps as town. About your suspicion of me: Let me get this straight. You think my scumplan was to convince the masons to claim then cover my ass by pretending I mixed up masons and millers? That does not sound like a realistic scumplan! I grudgingly agree that kush derps pretty consistently.
Why grudgingly? Why would a townie grudgingly admit to knowing something about a fellow townie that exculpates him. Would this not be a good thing? However, from a scum viewpoint, it makes sense: he does not want to admit that Kush derps pretty consistently, but feels compelled by the general direction of the game, and the need to make a good impression at the start of it to grudgingly admit to this information.
Regarding Muso:
On November 02 2012 03:20 Hopeless1der wrote:Okay, ignoring the possibility of two mason pairs: I could actually quote every single one of Muso's posts to help make my point... - He "lied" about his game history + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote:
Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller.
I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it.
Sorry if I'm bad :S - He "lied" about reading the game setup + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote:
Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller.
I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it.
Sorry if I'm bad :S On November 01 2012 13:41 Muso wrote:
I am a mason, I didn't know there was a miller too Are the lies because he's new and quite frankly, stupid? Or because his fake-claim was TERRIBLE and he's banking on the pity card to save him somehow? ##Vote: MusoAcro has provided an encrypted 'claim post' and I don't see the benefit to a 1-1 trade if Acro was scum. This situation makes way more sense if Acro is telling the truth. Technically, 2 mason pairs is possible, but quite frankly I think we're going to be lynching Muso regardless now, even if a "partner" claims. His filter is just too wrong for me to be willing to let him live.
Here is what I would suggest: Muso, if you are in fact a mason, write a last will for your partner to use to confirm themselves. Muso's Partner - Unless you think you can save him, do not claim until after the 1hr resolution period starts at the end of the night phase. There is no good reason to out yourself before that time (unless you can save him).
Could someone comment on that suggestion, and perhaps if they would even believe someone claiming to be Muso's mason-partner? I really don't think revealing the other halves is a good idea right now.
At this point all Muso had done wrong, as far as anybody knew was lie about his experience in the game. If a mason claimed to be his partner, then his claim would be more believable than mine. However, hopeless wants to go ahead and lynch him REGARDLESS of any further developments. Now, hopeless may be a townie making an error of judgement and believing my claim unconditionally. However, at this point I see no real reason to say we should lynch Muso regardless unless you're scum and want to push strongly for that townie lynch. At this point, my claim was by far the more believable one (as evidenced by everybody voting Muso), so he picked Muso to bandwagon on, rather than me.
On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:<snip> Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 00:52 kushm4sta wrote:On November 03 2012 00:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush i cant believe you're trying to make d1 cases based on the flavor claimed by two people... just absurd It's not just based on 2 people claims. It's based on the lack of claim from ALL the vts, AND the claims of two people. Acro seems really upset by my theory. drazzak, acro, and thrawn have all shat on my theory now. Why don't you guys actually EXPLAIN why it's such a bad idea instead of just SAYING it's bad. Do you really believe that all VTs have non character role names except for one named Jessica Rabbit. I do not believe that is likely. He only ever claimed NOT Mason. Granted, green text, but that's inconclusive. However, the reason I think your theory is bad is that I think scum have fakeclaims. My question never got answered and I think it's clear that Hiro was replying to the posts I quoted.
Suspicious minds would say that you are paying way too close attention to the wording and that you are, in fact, bluehunting. I thought this was worth mentioning, because the tone rubbed me the wrong way at the time. I am still not quite sure why though. If I had to say, it is because Hopeless seems to be puzzling rather hard over whether my claim means I'm claiming VT or not. Something townies shouldn't be worried about (except that Kush got everybody riled up about it).
The OMGUS
On November 03 2012 01:57 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 01:34 Muso wrote:It's 3am here and I doubt I'll be awake for the end of day. It doesn't look like Promethelax is coming, and unfortunately lynching him is the only viable option here. Some of you believe otherwise, and I can't stop you. I urge you to trust Acro though (at least for today). He makes sense. If the lynch on me does go through, I implicitly urge you to revisit these last 6 hrs and look at players who were opposed to shifting attention off of me. Hopeless1der is one such player. If in the future Promethelax rolls town, I highly suggest interrogating Hopeless1der. In fact this kind of resistance just strengthens the case against Promethelax. On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:Promethelax hasn't checked in yet, but even if it was still prplhz in the game I'd rather lynch Muso. I find his noob act highly incriminating. He knew what he was doing when he fakeclaimed and tried to weasel his way out by playing stupid at first. When that didn't work, he tries to pass it off as a gambit to lure scum NK fire. He keeps putting up more smoke and mirrors every time his last plan didn't work. I'm not comfortable leaving that kind of player around. I'm leaving my vote as it is.
I sincerely hope I get to revisit this post on Day 2, and if I don't please somebody else do it for me. Hopeless1der cannot be trusted. ##vote Promethelax This post just strengthens my resolve to lynch you Muso. "If in the future Promethelax rolls town, I highly suggest interrogating Hopeless1der." In this scenario, I'm scum for NOT wanting to lynch a townie. Please clarify what you mean if you're still around.
Now I think that Muso did not word himself properly here, but his main point was that hopeless1der was unwilling to even consider the possibility that Muso was town. Hopeless skipped right over that part and made a jump of bad logic: Muso knows he'll flip town and is talking about AFTER his death, when everybody else will know he flipped town too. He thinks Prom is scum and Hopeless is trying to keep the lynch focused on Muso to protect his scumbuddy. However, regardless of what Prom flips, he urges us to look into Hopeless.
The mere fact that Hopeless is unwilling to consider a town Muso is what he is finding scummy. This is indeed scummy behaviour. Hopeless' way of dealing with this is to discredit it and OMGUS someone who is already about to die anyway.
He shows absolutely NO willingness to even consider the possibility that Muso is town. That may be because he already knows Muso is town and he has absolutely no reason to reconsider his thoughts given the rather large amounts of new information.
The lurk
After 18 hours of inactivity (all through the night, I might add, which is when scum is busy deciding whom to shoot in their own little QT) we get:
On November 05 2012 01:33 Hopeless1der wrote:
My activity is bad and I should feel bad. Reading Prom, Acro and risk.nuke's filters first, as they're being angry with one another.
This is an utterly useless post, which just emphasizes his lurkiness. I don't see this as "too bold to be scum". People had noticed his absense and were commenting on it. He needed to say something about it. This is all we get.
Since then his activity has been limited to a rather bad meta-case against Promethelax, and a throwaway statement that he wants to lynch Drazak. If anything they feel like testers: if somebody bites and starts ramping up a case against Release or Drazak, he is ready to jump on it. However, he is completely noncommittal and happy to do no scumhunting of his own.
This also ties into his earlier behaviour (see below): he showed commitment and activity in the game, but once people started reading him as town (me in my night post, for instance), he dropped off the map. Also, lets not forget Mattchew[/green's opinion. Mattchew is actually a pretty good scumhunter, despite him claiming otherwise, and it is always a good idea to listen to what he says (although moreso when he's scum  )
I think hopeless has a pretty decent chance of flipping scum. His posts are long but usually contain a lot of summary with very little opinion on a lot of things, and barely any thought process sharing
The case for Hopeless1der
Keeping discussion from derailing
On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 00:15 kushm4sta wrote:
I don't want to lynch either muso or prpl.
Prpl was mislynched as town in his last several games. He looks very scummy as town. So keep that in mind.
Your case on him is very bas. The only scummy thing is giving a bunch of town reads which isn't that scummy.
So what if he thought there was 2 mason pairs. Not everyone knows the probability of that. Also I thought the same thing.
Muso, I think it would be very hard for scum to come up with that vt role name. Review the spoiler. Information is deliberately missing. I don't know how "hard" it would be for scum to come up with a VT name. <snip>
Why would scum be afraid of kush running rampant with his crazy theory. Fake claming seems particularly easy.. and all that is needed to placate Kush is a silly VT claim like Paint Bucket or Boulder if push really comes to shove and town starts mass claiming. And that's assuming scum isn't given a list of safeclaims in the first place (a fairly common thing for normal games).
However, as town, this whole discussion was a giant distraction from what we should have been doing: scumhunting. Hopeless seems to be trying to keep the town on track.
Keeping promises
Too often scum make a promise to be active and then forget about it. It's one of the things I like to look for when reading filters. Hopeless makes a promise and delivers on it. This put him on my town list initially, as it shows a certain consistency. Not a big tell, though, especially given his later behaviour. See above.
+ Show Spoiler [Hopeless1der's promise] +On November 01 2012 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 12:09 Release wrote:On November 01 2012 11:26 Mattchew wrote:
release what do you think of zealos's posts First post agrees with the general consensus. Has a point in that he can't be blamed for not agreeing. Second post reinforces the miller not mason claim. Clarifies part of the problem. Third post seems to allude to that fact that he thinks I'm town or that my posts are insignificant. If he had posted something more, i would think of it as "there are more important things to do" but he has yet to make a further contribution. I honestly have no idea what he trying to do with this post because his filter is rather meager, so this doesn't seem like fluff. Zealos, please explain in detail what you mean by this post because there seems to be ambiguity surrounding it. _____________________________________________ Personally, i'd like to hear from someone who has not yet posted to get another perspective on this, and the case on me. Well, I haven't properly commented on you yet Release. Based on what I've seen, really scummy push against kush. However, I'm going to read those newbie games you posted seeing as I was in two of them and then come back to this. We'll see how some meta analysis holds up. Also, I doubt I get that done tonight since I need to be up really early for work; Going to bed in a bit so I'll post my findings in an approximate 15 hours from now. 15 hours later: On November 02 2012 02:56 Hopeless1der wrote:Release's first game ever on TL, opening post[green] Town: + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2012 09:08 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 08:44 Mordanis wrote:
So my last game began with a discussion of whether to vote or not that wasn't very productive. We got lucky and scored a good D1 lynch, but it felt very, well, luck based. So I'll start this out by saying that if we don't lynch today, we'll probably be in a really shitty situation. In short, I am for a vote today. Also, it's good to be working together with Golden again! For Liquidia!
Is this day cycle going to be an extra couple of hours? I only ask because it was in my first game and I'd like to make sure what the situation is. Thanks You say that you are for a vote, but you state that your other vote was luck based. Considering you said "very luck based", doesn't that mean to say that we are not going to experience the same luck? If we don't experience the same luck, we will very much end up lynching a townie, which makes your "for a vote" seem like you want to lynch a townie. Also, why are you talking about the last game? You should be more concerned with this game and find out ways for pointing out scum rather than ways not to. This seems more like filler. The useful part of your post can be summarized by: We should have a lynch today. A no-lynch would be detrimental. ##FOS: Mordanis Fairly similar to his attack on kush this game.
2nd game Town, he spends most of the game tunneling grush. Way more 1-liners, inconclusive to the current situation
3rd game Vig, he gets in my face pretty early, but generally tried to keep talking. Also cited activity issues due to school?
4th game Town, + Show Spoiler +On July 05 2012 08:58 Release wrote:I think YourHarry is Grush's new alias. Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote:
YOYO GUYS. I AM Vanilla Townie
On a more serious note, we want this ship rollin' as fast as possible. Discussing policy is not scumhunting but it does at least help us get the discussion going. First off, something we want to avoid as town is Vanillas claiming blue roles. In both my last game and Newbie Mini Mafia XVIII there were Vanillas who claimed blue roles(DTs). Both times town ended in an bad spot (although not as bad as it could've been due to luck). But this should still be avoided at all costs as it can cause massive damage to town. Why? Well let's say a vanilla townie claims DT, and then the real DT claims because the vanilla is lying. As it doesn't make sense for vanillas to claim blue roles, we must assume that one of theese players is scum and the other one is the real DT.Two following scenarios can occur here
1). The townie gets lynched. which means that the other person is probebly the real DT, this must however not be true.
2). The DT gets lynched, which means that the vanilla townie will 100% get lynched the next day.
While 2 is far worse than 1 they are still both very bad for town. There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie. If you don't agree with this please let me know. If noone disagrees I will assume that no townie is ever fake claiming a blue role. Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue.
I will also copy a part of my first post from my last game(where I was DT) since I am lazy.
Regarding lynches: I really really dislike nolynching for three reasons.
1. because the information that we are able to get out of it is very limited. Yes, we avoid a potential misslynch but on the other hand scum will score a more or less a free-kill during night. Essentially, we are back on D1 but this time we are in a 6-2 instead of a 7-2.
2. If we agree to nolynch then what is there to discuss? It's like asking for people to lurk even more.
3. With no vigilante in the game the only way we can win is to lynch scum. Kinda obvious but still.
We require 5+ votes in order to get a lynch done. With that in mind I hope that people are willing to vote for someone who isn't their top 1 scum. Obviously, if you REALLY don't think there is any chance that the person that is about to be lynched can be scum, then sure, don't vote him. But if it seems like your target hardly gets any votes and your second highest scumread is at 4 votes with 30 minutes untill deadline, then I think you should swap your vote onto him.
Lurkers!: There are two types of lurkers. The ones who doesn't post anything and the sneaky ones, who posts ALOT but nothing of value. The first category could either be bad town play or scum play. But the second category is almost exclusivly scum play. If you are a townie, speak your mind, don't make a super duper long post when you could've said it on just a few lines. Keep it simple. With that being said, post!
Ignoring the copy-pasted policy stuff for now, Why on earth did you even post that scenario stuff about a VT fake-claiming a DT or blue? There was absolutely no indication that anyone had even planned on that (especially considering you had the first post). If anything, you have just shown people something they can do (to the detriment of the town). And why go through the casework? It's just fluff and you know it. This is very much a post looking like a contribution, while being a non-contribution, or even an anti-contribution. Im pretty sure, again, that no one was even remotely close to voting in a way to force a nolynch. I love the bolded line; you could have kept this post simple and concise. But you decided to make it "super-duper long." ##vote: LazermonkeyYourharry, you should do more than OMGUS. You are definitely rivaling, for scumminess, against lazer. Fos: yourharry
Fos: lazermonkey Keep in mind, he's already spent a game tunneling grush, from what I can tell, it was related to fake-claims. Opens with hostility and a vote.
To be fair, I don't think he's ever rolled scum, but his jumping out of the gate fighting looks like hes town yet again. He's never played with kush before. He also explained that he expects people to NOT derp all over the thread when they post here: + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote:On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote:
EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it. I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up. I think they should probably both claim actually. @releaseAre you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming? Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death? well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim. Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other." Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose.I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious. (seebolded) Sadly, kush is unable to meet that requirement. My "meta" read is that this strong aggression is in fact representative of town release. Keeping in mind that there are no scum games to compare with, I'm not willing to vote Release for his posts against kush. i also agree with this from Zealos: Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 01:41 Zealos wrote:
--SNIP--
That being said, I do think releases later posts have a townie attitude about them. He is saying what he appears to think without hiding anything or pushing a mafia agenda as far as I can tell.
--SNIP--
I think I have a handle on this mason claim shitfest. I'm rereading this through more carefully because I just kind of glanced the thread over, but I think I'm going to be voting Muso in a moment.
Incidentally, I also liked the content of this post as it agreed rather largely with what I found based on Release's meta. However, scum has an easy time making town reads look right, because they already know that the player is town.
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On November 05 2012 22:17 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 21:55 Acrofales wrote:On November 05 2012 21:18 DarthPunk wrote:On November 05 2012 14:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush, do you believe my claim?
I'm not liking the release lynch too much because of how town atmosphere has been so far D2. For one, release hasn't let up on contributing, when someone asks him for an explanation he isn't reluctant to give it and they match up well with his earlier posts. I also got a town read from his crazy conspiracy scumteam association cases. Finally, there's been a very low amount of conversation so far and I'd expect there to be more going on if we were actually on the trail to catching a scum.
My weekend "activities" are almost concluded so soon I'll be posting in increasing frequency up until lynch. Thoughts on who I want to lynch will come along with that. What is the purpose in asking this? It seems weird to me. Why does it seem weird? Why does he care if the person he checked believes him? If I was fake claiming I would be nervous I outed myself and would be dying to know if the 'check' claim was good. The person who can immediately damn him is kush. So weird. Also kush happened to be the one person you could rely on as scum to be VT. Seeing as he basically was claiming VT in the thread with his flavour theory. Anyway. Struck me as odd to ask that. So I wanted to hear thrawns reasoning.
Why would he need to check VT? All he gets is green or red. The only chance of a scum picking someone who is NOT green to fakeclaim on is if he picked the SK.
Which reminds me. Kush COULD be a check-immune SK. There are 2 possible check-immune players in this game, not just the godfather. However, I prefer to lynch scum than the SK at this point, who, if he has any brains at all, should be trying to shoot scum tonight, or he will outright lose the game.
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I am seeing a pattern in Drazak's cases that I do not like much. However, I cannot decide whether it is scummy, or just plain bad.
Basically Drazak's opinion on people seems to be largely influenced by what they think about him. This could be scum, however newbie paranoid townies also have the tendency to think that anybody who posts a case against them must be scum.
+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler [case against Drazak] +On November 04 2012 02:47 DarthPunk wrote:<snip> He goes from wishy washy on kush. Saying he could be scummy. Then he posts his role name somewhat aggressively. Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 05:53 drazak wrote:
Kush, do you even read my posts? Also, trying to write a long post in another window, hold on a bit. I'm a VT, Carrot, btw. After which kush thinks he is town based on his theory with the flavor immediatly after kush unvotes him and declares him to be town. Drazak posts his 'reads' Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:07 drazak wrote:Release actually tried to scumhunt, I'm seeing town on him, even though he still wants to vote for me. I don't think he's done anything to cause confusion, and I think he really wants to find a mafia right now, which is what I'm trying to do. Mattchew is also looking town, although I'd like him to be a bit more active, I don't think he'd say that he likes his gut instincts D1 if he didn't believe in them and have somewhat decent evidence, less town than release but definitely a town read. Hope has about the right amount of defensiveness for a townie, he's gone to lurk mode around lynch time which makes me a little nervous, everyone else seems to be here and willing to talk except him. Not sure what he's up to but when he starts posting again I hope he has a good explaination, I'm neutral on him right now. Thrawn has been trying his damnedest to scumhunt for a D1 hunt, not sure what he thinks he might actually accomplish, but he's asking questions like I should be (but I don't because I suck  ) and trying to make things happen. I find him distinctly town at the moment. risk.nuke has not a lot to go on in his filter, and every single one of his comments is 1 line and most of them are fluffy. I think this is even worse than my posts have been. I find him 2nd scummiest after muso. Kush is just doing his fucking trolly ass shit. Town meta for him 100% Zealos doesn't vote anyone and isn't happy with Acro or Muso, not sure what to think here, he wants to vote two of my town reads, not sure I like this, but might just not be following that closely. First of all I hate lists such as these. They allow scum to seem to participate without actually doing anything. A few sentences on several players comprise drazak's 'reads' HOWEVER. Note the read on kush. He has gone from scummy and wishy-washy to 100% town meta. IMMEDIATELY after kush declares a town read on drazak. It seems as if Drazaks opinion of someones scumminess is linked to their opinion on draz. Now THAT is scummy to me. Combined with all the wishy-washy posting and fluff one liners. I would certainly like to lynch drazak. <snip> DarthPunk says that Drazak's reads are based on OMGUS and buddying. Up to this point, Drazak has not mentioned DP, except for one line that he doesn't have enough posts to make a read on. After the accusation we get: On November 04 2012 22:10 drazak wrote:
I don't like DP, he has a bunch of fluffy ass shit in his filter, I want to hear more from hope, he's been really lurky. probably my top two scum reads right now. DP does post rather fluffy, but he has posted some solid content. Most notably, his case against Drazak. This just seems to be more reads based on what the other person thinks of you.
In general, this kinda fits with Drazak's entire game: none of his posts are particularly useful, but I am having a really tough time reading a scum motivation into them. He is slowly rising in my scumometer, but I need a lot more convincing that he's scum. So far the only real sensible case against him is the one by DP and other than that everybody's just sheeping onto him for lack of a better option. How about everybody who wants Drazak dead actually says WHY they want that. It feels too much like a scum-manipulated mislynch.
Also read DP's filter and I am slowly starting to read him as town, rather than just null. In the rather long fluffy posts he makes, he actually does have some decent analysis and he is pressuring people correctly. I have so far seen nothing that indicates a scum motive behind his play... and unlike most everybody else he has a valid excuse for inactivity: he is asleep when most of us are active.
I am pretty much null on mkfuba. He gives the reasoning behind his suspicion of Drazak. Other than that he is perfectly willing to sheep, and admits to doing that. While it is not strong town play, wiser people than me (Sandroba) have pointed out that it is not scummy: if you don't trust your own scum reads, you're better off sheeping a strong town read than shitting up the thread with bad cases.
However, someone as unreadable as him is not a good player to have around if we actually manage to drag out this game by catching some scum. To me he currently reads as a total coinflip.
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How about you comment on the state of the game. What do you think of Promethelax and Release?
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THIS is the exceedingly sorry state our voting situation looks like at the moment. I am starting to seriously consider no-lynch as an option, because townies are putting no effort into making it clear who they want to die.
Promethelax(2): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der
Release(1): Acrofales,
kushm4sta(1): Release
Hopeless1der(1): Drazak
Drazak(1): DarthPunk
No vote: thrawn, kushm4sta, mkfuba, promethelax.
This is particularly incriminating to promethelax, who has shown quite a bit of activity, has pressured people, but has held off committing to anything. The other people in the no-vote list have not shown much activity at all D2, so their forgetting to vote is within the line of expectations. This is extended-majority vote people! Using your vote properly is important!
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Okay. After giving a long read through Prom's filter. Again. I decided that I was wrong to let him slip out based on activity. He is very very light on actual scumhunting.
D1 he posted a case on Drazak. A rather shoddy one, based pretty much only on meta and the fact that Draz makes fluffy posts. That case has not evolved into something more solid. Instead Prom is just throwing out his name every now and then with the assertion that he wants to lynch him.
Other than that, he has said that:
1. Release is probably town, despite scummy play.
2. Kush got a greencheck, so should not be lynched.
3. Acro is scum because he calls it "scumbuddy", rather than "one or more of your potentially multiple scumbuddies".
Btw, given the setup of C9++ I was quite obviously WRONG if you interpret that as me subconsciously referring to the number of mafia being 2, because given the number of blue roles that have been revealed there are definitely 3 mafia.
One thing that I found in his filter which is sticking out at me:
On November 03 2012 07:14 Promethelax wrote:
So we have until 7:14 TL time.
Muso, it seems pretty clear that you are getting lynched, if you are around I'd love to here anything from you. Some reads or anything we can build on after your flip.
This post bothers me. I cannot shake the feeling that it is made with PRIOR knowledge that Muso will flip town. He earlier said Muso was a coinflip to him, but this post is made with the conviction of someone who believes Muso is town, who should use his dying breath to help town. In fact, Prom is taking this opportunity to look townie by asking Muso, the townie, to please do so: he knows Muso will flip town.
This prior knowledge is not as strong as the prplhz confusion about the double mason claim. However, I feel it is very much present and this is Promethelax overplaying his hand.
Combined with the activity without scumhunting and the attitude of waiting for a new bandwagon to get going to vote while throwing Drazak's name out a lot... yeah. I know who I want to lynch.
##unvote
##vote Promethelax
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