EPTIf A and B are roleblockers and C is some random joe, WHO is roleblocked in the following situation?
A roleblocks B
B roleblocks C
PS. The answer is: only B.
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If A and B are roleblockers and C is some random joe, WHO is roleblocked in the following situation? A roleblocks B B roleblocks C PS. The answer is: only B. | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:50 thrawn2112 wrote: what if he's scum and lied about being rb'd, or if there's not a scum rb? If Kush is scum then how the fuck did you get a greencheck on him?! Or you claiming SK here? There clearly IS a scum roleblocker, because both Prom and I were roleblocked N1 and see HiroPro/WBG's incoming answer to see that that means there is another roleblocker (I only asked Hiro like 3 times to make sure my roleblock on Prom did not happen). | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Also. There may still be a framer. I am not sure how likely that is in comparison to them having a roleblocker. But it is certainly an option. You people all fail miserably at logic. Or there are 4 scum. That seems way outside the realm of C9++ games, though. | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:54 kushm4sta wrote: Why would scum role block me though? Wouldn't it be beneficial for them for sk to kill someone? Not if they think the SK is gunning for them... and we did our very very best to make them think the SK should be gunning for them. Also, the SK should totally NOT have been gunning for them, lol, but I assume the SK already knew that. | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:55 Release wrote: I claimed VT. I'll claim VT again. The purpose of the breadcrumb was to see whether i would be role blocked for wanting to vig kush. A side effect is that it drew RB away from other town (i was assuming that if i were RBed, it would be a mafia RB). What's your rolename. Chop chop now, you've had plenty of time to fabricate one. | ||
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On November 09 2012 08:57 DarthPunk wrote: YOu do not have all the information and you are on the wrong track with your assumptions. I would not continue making these assumptions until you have all the information. I am making very very FEW assumptions. However, I do happen to have rather a lot of experience with mathematical logic. However, writing the entire proof out was getting needlessly complicated. Here is the abbreviated version: The cases in which Kush could be lying about being roleblocked are: 1. He is scum and thrawn is scum. This makes a 4-man scumteam, which is just really unlikely. 2. He is scum and thrawn is SK. For some reason, the SK decided to throw a fake greencheck out there just for the hell of it. If you believe that, then this scenario is okay. 3. Kush is SK. How does fakeclaiming RB'd make sense in this case? I don't see what purpose it serves. 4. Kush is scum and so is random person X, who is a framer. Mattchew roleblocked Prom on N1 and Zealos me (or vice versa). Once again, 4-man scumteam. Those are the cases in which Kush could conceivably be lying. I am further assuming town don't lie about being roleblocked and town ALSO don't lie about having greenchecks. Therefore, if we assume that: A1. Scum is not a 4-man team A2. Kush is not the SK FAKECLAIMING (you can believe Kush is the SK all you like, but you ALSO have to believe he fakeclaimed roleblocked) A3. It is not so that Kush is scum AND thrawn is the SK AND thrawn fakeclaimed a greencheck. Then Kush cannot be lying. Kush not lying means there is an unclaimed roleblocker. That unclaimed roleblocker cannot be Release due to logic in a previous post. | ||
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On November 09 2012 09:12 kushm4sta wrote: @release porky pig is a character name... so far there have been NO vt character names. What is up with that? Marvin Acme Your flavour theory is wrong. Where did I miss him claiming Porky Pig, though? | ||
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Can there be 4 (or more) players on the mafia team? | ||
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On November 09 2012 09:46 DarthPunk wrote: I urge you all to shut up. Nothing we discuss now can't be discussed later when it won't give scum additional info on which to perfect their kills. so yeah. see ya all later. As if they don't have enough info already. I prefer to have a talkative night. Then again, I'm a talkative guy. Anyway, the only way I can see a 4man scumteam existing is if Bugs changed the very last bracket (0T) to a 4man team (that's the one I thought was a bit underpowered when looking at that site for the first time). Previous setups: Moviestar mafia: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvRGXY4QJLzOdFFmUk13dHBNQUZTUDcwdFRibWtvMVE#gid=0 Speculation: CCVJ3T. One goon on scumside replaced with framer. Emergency mafia: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvRGXY4QJLzOdHNaMVg3RFNvMlE4WV8yTkpHSE12T0E#gid=0 Speculation: CCJRRMT. This is more inline with the number we can expect this game. 3 scum, 1 SK. WoF is lacking spreadsheet and it seems as if Bugs was still perfecting his C9++ version there (didn't have self-aware millers and weird RB rules based on who sent the night action in first). Anyway, what I can puzzle out is: Godfather, 2 Goons. One-shot cop, One-shot vig (all I can find in there) CV5T. According to C9++ the 5T setup has a goon, gf and sk. Apparently bugs changed this. WoF also has the explanation of JK instead of medic: On April 21 2012 19:33 wherebugsgo wrote: I've made a small setup tweak and have changed the doctor possibility to jailor, to reduce the possibility of a follow-the-cop situation. This was a change I overlooked in my haste. Apologies for that. If you have any concerns, particularly balance concerns, about the setup, feel free to PM me. I believe there were 1 or 2 before WoF, but too lazy to check back that far right now. | ||
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http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Marvin_Acme You just have a giant lump of confirmation bias allowing you to mold your theory into anything that currently fits your facts. | ||
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On November 09 2012 10:52 Promethelax wrote: By this I assume you mean that everbody is null from this lynch or do you mean null over all? Please clarify. In addition I would like you to restate the reason that Release is not scum. Just based on this lynch. Still have plenty to say about other people based on other stuff. If you feel talkative, mind looking at Drazak's filter. Does that last case feel like him distancing himself from risk, or a desperate attempt to get out of a lynch to you? | ||
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On November 09 2012 20:06 risk.nuke wrote: I'm just telling town how to catch the SK if I die before I can post again. If you have a problem with my logic you're free to adress it. I'm not worried about getting lynched. It's not your logic we're worried about. Obsession with SK (and no mention of scum at night ever) because he's scum and fears the SK shot, but not the scum's. | ||
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On November 09 2012 01:23 risk.nuke wrote: Acrofales your case is both wrong and selective. We can start with the selective part. You've gone over my games trying to find examples (tunneling) that would make me stick out. Furthermore my 180 on prplhz is pressure because it implied I want an explanation. You dismiss it as nothing that required an explanation proving once again your idiocy and wrongly assume prplhz didn't feel the need to answer it. He just replaced out before he could. Killing Muso was logical, you might interpret it as not caring (because you suck) because I didn't show any direct feelings about him. This was because I didn't have a read on him prior to what happened. It was just unpersonally logical in the essence that it would have been stupid not to lynch him. However I cared about killing him. Or I wouldn't had pushed for it. As far as caring goes, look at my posts when you brought up a no-lynch and try to dismiss that as not caring you tunneling moron. Okay. Time to pay attention to this. Firstly, what I actually DID was go over your cases thinking I'd find similar playstyle, because Mattchew indicated that you're playing to your town meta... and he probably has more experience playing with you in normal games than I do. What I found was a rather different risk.nuke. Secondly, you are being highly speculative about what prplhz would do if he had still been around. "nice 180" is a flippant remark that I personally would either ignore or return, depending on how much time passed before I saw it. Pressure it is, barely. Pressuring hard, as you said it was in a later post, it was clearly not. Killing Muso was logical. Agreed. You cared about KILLING him. Agreed. You did NOT care about figuring out whether he was town. Everybody else at least pondered it. You just went straight into "fakeclaim = death", because you already KNEW he was town AND an easy lynch. Always good when one of the other lynch candidates is your scumbuddy. You cared about, or claimed to care about getting a lynch in. At the time that seemed townie. However the lynch was aimed rather well at Promethelax, a (presumed) townie. Your behaviour after that: On November 06 2012 06:42 risk.nuke wrote: oh thrawn and kush is here and mkfuba just dropped in. Now I'm just undecided who I want to kill. I face the problem of having warmed up to you so now I'm in a gut vs logic debate. Considering killing DP or mkfuba or drazek. The two later just showed up suspiciously. So.. people don't seem to want to lynch Prom after all. Lets try something else: throwing names out there just because I can! If the lynch on DP got or fuba got picked up, you could jump on without a problem If not, well then, no harm done, because you never really did anything. Just thew their names out there (oh, and if out of the three Drazak gets picked to run with, you're cool with your vote on Prom, so no worries). None of those lynches got going, though, and instead we have: On November 06 2012 07:39 risk.nuke wrote: I was observing, I wanted to see how the hopeless wagon would go. Yes, I can see how much you cared about the D2 lynch. You were incredibly involved. You really cared about getting the right guy. Pushed your reads hard. It was a marvelous example of townyism! /golfclap | ||
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I have some ideas, but anybody who thinks he knows who the scum roleblocker is, make yourself heard! | ||
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On November 09 2012 23:29 kushm4sta wrote: @risk if I were sk I would definitely pick investigation immune over bulletproof. next we kill risk then release then dp them prome that's what I'm thinking right now Why risk over release? | ||
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On November 10 2012 00:54 kushm4sta wrote: Release is a surer thing but he's sk not mafia. You are right though. They both have an kp so might as well kill the sk. So if I understand you right, you do not suspect thrawn, DP or anybody else? | ||
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On November 10 2012 02:51 thrawn2112 wrote: There are already 2 confirmed blues and 3 claimed blues. dp has even been hinting that he'll claim something later on. Are we really just thinking it's ok that we have 5-6 blue roles with a unclaimed vig/sk? I'm thinking that one of the people who claimed a roleblocking role might be scum roleblocker. And townies are fakeclaiming roleblocked. Yay for logic! | ||
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Putting too much emphasis on it? Sure. Using it to paint people scum. Yes, but he only once calls it outright wrong, and that is rather vague, and hidden in his large case on Kush, which came on D2. About 30 hours after Kush started with his nonsense: On November 05 2012 05:20 Release wrote: Kush has been pushing his flavor theory all game. Wherebugsgo specifically said that the game could not be broken based on this so i don't know why he keeps pushing it. Even though the nightkills and Muso seem to strengthen this theory, I wouldn't believe for a second that the theory will work for every player. Now... Porky Pig If I had had that rolename I would've been way up in Kush's face that his theory is wrong, just as Promethelax was. Release wasn't. Not really sure what to make of this. | ||
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