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Okeydoke I'm dropping the Z-Bo stuff. Starting to realize from my last post that Z-Bo could have read Kei's stuff much different than I. 180'ing the read here and calling him town (I DO WAT I WANT) - dropping the contradiction, everything else in his filter pretty much makes sense from a town perspective - willingness to jump on multiple people, making several consecutive reads and playing reactionary.
Anywho, this is fairly good, because there are two people in particular who decided to chime into our argument without much to offer. Drazak and Vaderseven.
Drazak
On October 23 2012 04:50 drazak wrote:
Not to defend hapa too much, but I know when I've read things, I think different things whehter or not I'm hungry, or if other things are going on in my life, maybe he reconsidered after reading something again.
This post was such an oddly timed comment. In particular, Z-Bo had a lot of suspicion on him, and he immediately soft-defends him and takes no stance. It's such an irrelevant comment, and I don't like how he's answering a question for me. He does this one more time with iamperfection:
On October 23 2012 05:32 drazak wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:On October 23 2012 05:27 iamperfection wrote:
Posting from phone dont lynch z-bos wait untll I get home please. So you don't find him scummy then? Do tell. I don't think he doesn't find him scummy, he just doesn't want the hammer while he's afk, might have someone else he finds scummier.
Now Draz is lynch-bait, so I'm a bit hesitant about jumping on this, but this looks pretty scummy at face value.
Vaderseven:
On October 23 2012 04:28 vaderseven wrote:
Also zboson, i wouldnt wipe my ass with anything you gave me jerk.
This is just the strangest comment. He jumps in and pretty much calls him scum, despite his overall very neutral reads on players, as well as his general distrust of D1 reads. Pretty odd.
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Ok. Last fucking time, as this post is much easier to follow and now I finally understand where you are coming from.
On October 23 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:But let's lay it out for the town to see: Show nested quote +Also, I don't get why people are thinking I'm sheeping. First of all, there's not really much to say on v7.
Second of all, I actually did spend quite some time pondering whether I should give the vote hammer or not. Why are you attacking me right now, and not before? Makes 0 sense.
The hapa thing, I attacked him because he unvoted v7 when I completely disagreed with his reasoning to do so.
@Hapa
All of a sudden? So I spend like 10 posts saying why I think you are suspicious, and you say, "all of a sudden"?
Fuck off. Not willing to lynch you != I think you are townie.
I have no heart defending myself here. Most of this shit comes from a lack of reading and erratic interpretations. I've made cases vs. kei and hapa, but concluded that v7 deserved the best lynch. How is this fucking scummy? Better yet, how is this scummier over ppl like kei and v7 who aren't doing shit?
Wanna talk about sheeping? Try Kei, who hasn't done shit and suddenly goes for me as soon as DP opens the door. What did Z-Boson make this post in reply to? Well let's take a look at what just happened in the thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602¤tpage=24#462Here's kei's case on Z-Bo. In particular, this line: Show nested quote +Here he says he is calling Hapa out for the "easy read" on v7, when that's EXACTLY what he did. In fact, he didn't (and still hasn't) give any reasoning of his own. Just sheeped onto the current bandwagon.
There it is, plain as day. Z-Boson is not consistent about why he attacked me. He's not referring to a "separate event", he's specifically responding to Kei's case, about the question of the "easy read", and is mixing up why he's suspicious of me.
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The main problem is here I think:
[quote]Kei explicitly questions Z-Bo on the "easy read" and why he is holding a double standard for it. Z-Boson directly responds to KEI's CASE with the following, oft quoted line:
[Quote]The hapa thing, I attacked him because he unvoted v7 when I completely disagreed with his reasoning to do so.[/quote]
I said this already, but I'll say it again, for all town to see.
I understood that Keirathi had somehow turned this:
[quote]The hapa thing, I attacked him because he unvoted v7 when I completely disagreed with his reasoning to do so.[/quote]
Into me making going after you for making an "easy read". Tbh I put so little weight in "you making easy reads" that I didn't even remember this other passage. I see now that Keir quoted out that part, but again, to be frank, I didn't read it.
So see, that's why I mentioned "your unvoting of " when Keir mentioned "my attacking you of making easy reads", because I didn't read his quoted posts and immediately assumed he was talking about something else.
Regardless, don't know why the fuck that'd make me scum.
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Yo I sniped the shit outta you dawg.
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Vote Count!
vaderseven (3) - austinmcc, iamperfection, drazak
Z-Boson (2) - Keirathi, DarthPunk
Not Voting (4) - Marvellosity, vaderseven, Z-Boson, Hapahauli
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Day ends when a majority is reached.
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EBWOP "something else", of course, being that "unvoting" passage
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On October 23 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:
@austin: I'm not exactly sure what you want from me?
Just dump a big list of any thoughts about every single person? That doesn't actually seem helpful, and I am loathe to do it.
I still think we should be lynching Z-Bo.
Sort of, lol.
I think that more activity from EVERYONE helps town. It forces scum to be more active or stand out. In all honesty, right now, I think that increased activity, even if you feel it's of a lesser quality or something, will do more for our scumhunting than sitting back and trying to only put out the bestest most polished thoughts. Or something like that?
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On October 23 2012 06:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Yo I sniped the shit outta you dawg.
lol. Thank the heavens.
Will read up address some other non-hapa posts soon.
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Kk, will read their filters. From your post alone though, without properly reading, here's what I think:
On October 23 2012 06:26 Hapahauli wrote:Okeydoke I'm dropping the Z-Bo stuff. Starting to realize from my last post that Z-Bo could have read Kei's stuff much different than I. 180'ing the read here and calling him town (I DO WAT I WANT) - dropping the contradiction, everything else in his filter pretty much makes sense from a town perspective - willingness to jump on multiple people, making several consecutive reads and playing reactionary. Anywho, this is fairly good, because there are two people in particular who decided to chime into our argument without much to offer. Drazak and Vaderseven. DrazakShow nested quote +On October 23 2012 04:50 drazak wrote:
Not to defend hapa too much, but I know when I've read things, I think different things whehter or not I'm hungry, or if other things are going on in my life, maybe he reconsidered after reading something again. This post was such an oddly timed comment. In particular, Z-Bo had a lot of suspicion on him, and he immediately soft-defends him and takes no stance. It's such an irrelevant comment, and I don't like how he's answering a question for me. He does this one more time with iamperfection: He actually defended you, when I attacked you for your change in interpretation. But regardless, that comment was weird as fuck, and completely misplaced. He takes priority over defending you over making any contributions? Weird.Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 05:32 drazak wrote:On October 23 2012 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:On October 23 2012 05:27 iamperfection wrote:
Posting from phone dont lynch z-bos wait untll I get home please. So you don't find him scummy then? Do tell. I don't think he doesn't find him scummy, he just doesn't want the hammer while he's afk, might have someone else he finds scummier. This is completely balls out WTF. Why is he bothering to defend iamp out of the blue?? Now Draz is lynch-bait, so I'm a bit hesitant about jumping on this, but this looks pretty scummy at face value. From these posts you quoted alone, I get a feeling of absurdity rather than scumminess. I have to do a bit of thinking and actually read some of his filters to see if it fits more noob town or noob scum.Vaderseven: Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 04:28 vaderseven wrote:
Also zboson, i wouldnt wipe my ass with anything you gave me jerk. This is just the strangest comment. He jumps in and pretty much calls him scum, despite his overall very neutral reads on players, as well as his general distrust of D1 reads. Pretty odd. I don't think he is calling me scum.. he called me a jerk. imo this is just a null-tell, since I pretty much was a jerk.
I'll draw conclusions once I'm satisfied with my read on their filters. I have to go for now, but expect a post later on tonight.
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My head hurts. Now I know what it looks like when me and VE shout at each other for pages ^^
Unless I missed it, I don't think Z-Bo ever answer Kei's original question of where his v7 scumread appeared from? I've just been through Z-Bo's filter and it indeed just appears and I can't find an explanation. Hopefully I'm not being a fucking dumbass.
Z-Bo, explain please? Further, what is your current read on vader and why?
Hapa has the right idea with his drazak and v7 post. When two people are shouting at each other, the natural scum reaction is to let it roll, or even throw wood on to the fire, rather than actually do anything about making it stop. On a little sidenote, it's why I found austin's play kinda adorable, because he was trying to push a policy idea but was being roundly ignored, so his reaction was to keep pushing the same idea in the same way, only to be unsurprisingly ignored again 
Anyway, vader fits perfectly into the throwing-wood-on-to-the-fire mould, basically egging on the aggressiveness in the thread when there was no need for him to do so. Also, unlike austin, I see his 'I'm going through filter' thing as pretty scummy - like he's going through the motions rather than trying to push something constructive into the thread. BUT LOOK, I'M LOOKING AT PEOPLE'S SHIT?! No. Don't buy it.
Every time I see vader post, he's not making me think any more that he's town. This scumbo gotta hang.
##Vote vaderseven.
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Vote Count!
vaderseven (4) - austinmcc, iamperfection, drazak, marvellosity
Z-Boson (2) - Keirathi, DarthPunk
Not Voting (3) - vaderseven, Z-Boson, Hapahauli
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Day ends when a majority is reached.
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On October 23 2012 03:30 Z-BosoN wrote:DP, that's a real bad tell. From liquid city: Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:On October 14 2012 08:16 iamperfection wrote:On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/ shaopi is voting for dp. Yea that's making me uneasy on who to vote. The biggest tagline of my voting on ShiaoPi is being useless with a fair possibility of being scum. The biggest tagline of me wanting to vote DP is that I actually find him scum. Also, I don't get why people are thinking I'm sheeping. First of all, there's not really much to say on v7.
Second of all, I actually did spend quite some time pondering whether I should give the vote hammer or not. Why are you attacking me right now, and not before? Makes 0 sense.The hapa thing, I attacked him because he unvoted v7 when I completely disagreed with his reasoning to do so. @Hapa All of a sudden? So I spend like 10 posts saying why I think you are suspicious, and you say, "all of a sudden"? Fuck off. Not willing to lynch you != I think you are townie. I have no heart defending myself here. Most of this shit comes from a lack of reading and erratic interpretations. I've made cases vs. kei and hapa, but concluded that v7 deserved the best lynch. How is this fucking scummy? Better yet, how is this scummier over ppl like kei and v7 who aren't doing shit? Wanna talk about sheeping? Try Kei, who hasn't done shit and suddenly goes for me as soon as DP opens the door.
@marv:
Bolded was his response to my accusation. Which, isn't very much a defense.
He just came up with a top scum read out of thin air, but its cool because there's nothing much to say about him.
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Right, that must be why I missed it because that's not an answer. Just because there's not a lot to say, there must be SOME reason why he was suddenly scum and Z-Bo was talking about hammering him (?!)
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On October 23 2012 06:56 marvellosity wrote:My head hurts. Now I know what it looks like when me and VE shout at each other for pages ^^ Unless I missed it, I don't think Z-Bo ever answer Kei's original question of where his v7 scumread appeared from? I've just been through Z-Bo's filter and it indeed just appears and I can't find an explanation. Hopefully I'm not being a fucking dumbass. Z-Bo, explain please? Further, what is your current read on vader and why? Hapa has the right idea with his drazak and v7 post. 1) When two people are shouting at each other, the natural scum reaction is to let it roll, or even throw wood on to the fire, rather than actually do anything about making it stop. On a little sidenote, it's why I found austin's play kinda adorable, because he was trying to push a policy idea but was being roundly ignored, so his reaction was to keep pushing the same idea in the same way, only to be unsurprisingly ignored again Anyway, vader fits perfectly into the throwing-wood-on-to-the-fire mould, basically egging on the aggressiveness in the thread when there was no need for him to do so. Also, unlike austin, I see his 'I'm going through filter' thing as pretty scummy - like he's going through the motions rather than trying to push something constructive into the thread. BUT LOOK, I'M LOOKING AT PEOPLE'S SHIT?! No. Don't buy it. Every time I see vader post, he's not making me think any more that he's town. This scumbo gotta hang. ##Vote vaderseven.
I don't feel that it warranted any explanation. He dropped an easy comment and disappeared. Didn't bother making a repeat of other cases and saying I agree with them.
1) I think this is vague. That's certainly what scum do, but we can't find scum based on that alone. Also, neither drazak nor v7 "threw wood on the fire". You know who did just that? Keirathi:
On October 23 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:
@austin: I'm not exactly sure what you want from me?
Just dump a big list of any thoughts about every single person? That doesn't actually seem helpful, and I am loathe to do it.
I still think we should be lynching Z-Bo.
Why do you think v7 was flinging wood in the fire, can you refer to the post? The most I can see is him calling me a jerk.
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It was where he was calling you a jerk. It was totally unnecessary (even if you feel you were being a jerk).
Who said I was trying to find scum from that alone? :/
With regards to that Kei thing, you are his top read and he wants to lynch you. That seems like fair dinkum to me.
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look at vader's contributions and how they're not really connected to the goings-on in the thread at all, except for when he's shouting at people. Do you see this?
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Calling me a jerk does nothing to aggravate my skirmish with Hapa. That's uncalled for, but it's not throwing wood to the fire, as you mentioned.
On October 23 2012 07:19 marvellosity wrote:
look at vader's contributions and how they're not really connected to the goings-on in the thread at all, except for when he's shouting at people. Do you see this?
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On October 23 2012 07:31 Z-BosoN wrote:Calling me a jerk does nothing to aggravate my skirmish with Hapa. That's uncalled for, but it's not throwing wood to the fire, as you mentioned. Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:19 marvellosity wrote:
look at vader's contributions and how they're not really connected to the goings-on in the thread at all, except for when he's shouting at people. Do you see this? Reading
I disagree, in a heated thread, someone else throwing heat is the opposite of helpful.
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Well it's not only the "jerk" thing - it's how he's declared that he's unwilling to listen to anything you said because you're a jerk. It's very strange rationale.
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