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Hapahauli
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marvellosity
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austinmcc
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On October 23 2012 06:56 marvellosity wrote: My head hurts. Now I know what it looks like when me and VE shout at each other for pages ^^ Unless I missed it, I don't think Z-Bo ever answer Kei's original question of where his v7 scumread appeared from? I've just been through Z-Bo's filter and it indeed just appears and I can't find an explanation. Hopefully I'm not being a fucking dumbass. Z-Bo, explain please? Further, what is your current read on vader and why? Hapa has the right idea with his drazak and v7 post. When two people are shouting at each other, the natural scum reaction is to let it roll, or even throw wood on to the fire, rather than actually do anything about making it stop. On a little sidenote, it's why I found austin's play kinda adorable, because he was trying to push a policy idea but was being roundly ignored, so his reaction was to keep pushing the same idea in the same way, only to be unsurprisingly ignored again  Anyway, vader fits perfectly into the throwing-wood-on-to-the-fire mould, basically egging on the aggressiveness in the thread when there was no need for him to do so. Also, unlike austin, I see his 'I'm going through filter' thing as pretty scummy - like he's going through the motions rather than trying to push something constructive into the thread. BUT LOOK, I'M LOOKING AT PEOPLE'S SHIT?! No. Don't buy it. Every time I see vader post, he's not making me think any more that he's town. This scumbo gotta hang. ##Vote vaderseven. #1, I bet none of you knew this, but the group of letters "ass" appears 20 times in Z-BosoN's filter. The jerk comment seems to explicitly refer back to a post Z-BosoN made: On October 23 2012 03:51 Z-BosoN wrote: @DP, Talking about expectations, I hope you realize how weak this is: I push cases when I feel the need to. I've made my case against Kei, and had nothing else to say. My case against him isn't lynch-worthy, in my own opinion. Also, note how I did not quite kill v7. Several people wanted to insta-kill him, yet I felt pretty scared of laying my vote against him, and argued a bit against it, trying to give him another chance. Now that he is backing posting, he took the chance I gave him and wiped his ass with it. Now I find I actually want to lynch him, more specifically because of that. On October 23 2012 04:28 vaderseven wrote: Also zboson, i wouldnt wipe my ass with anything you gave me jerk. I don't even know what I find that, except kind of amusing. ##unvote for now, because I want to poke around. Commence poking! Drazak Almost 24 hours ago, you were scummy on v7 and "probably a little scummy" on keirathi. Do those reads still hold? If not, why? What is your read on marv? Who in the thread is your #1 townread? | ||
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marvellosity
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Are you actually finding vader less scummy now or are you just going back on your policy because you're feeling capricious? | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 23 2012 07:49 marvellosity wrote: What happened to "I just wanna lynch someone", dear? Are you actually finding vader less scummy now or are you just going back on your policy because you're feeling capricious? I want to lynch someone. I actually deleted the part of that post where there are 4 someones I'm willing to lynch and start copy pasting the blood for the blood god bit for fun. Right now I'm poking. Poking helps me figure out which of my 4 I want to push, because just going "I WILL LYNCH ANYONE FROM THESE 4" seems suboptimal. | ||
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marvellosity
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On October 23 2012 07:52 austinmcc wrote: I want to lynch someone. I actually deleted the part of that post where there are 4 someones I'm willing to lynch and start copy pasting the blood for the blood god bit for fun. Right now I'm poking. Poking helps me figure out which of my 4 I want to push, because just going "I WILL LYNCH ANYONE FROM THESE 4" seems suboptimal. First and last time I'm going to mention this, hopefully. You know it was these silly games you play that were a quite large part of me telling you you played badly in Looney, don't you? The reason I liked your filter earlier was because the games were absent. | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 23 2012 07:54 marvellosity wrote: Spamming blood for the blood god bit = games. Poking people to figure out which of the people I'm willing to vote I want to vote and want to push is not game-y. First and last time I'm going to mention this, hopefully. You know it was these silly games you play that were a quite large part of me telling you you played badly in Looney, don't you? The reason I liked your filter earlier was because the games were absent. Don't think I've fully recovered and refuse to have any fun with my posting. But I'm doing normal scumhunt-y stuff here. | ||
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Blazinghand
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vaderseven (3) - iamperfection, drazak, marvellosity Z-Boson (2) - Keirathi, DarthPunk Not Voting (4) - vaderseven, Z-Boson, Hapahauli, austinmcc With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends when a majority is reached. | ||
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austinmcc
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You were townie earlier, but hapa "has the right idea with his drazak and v7 post." You seem to think v7 threw fuel on the fire, and is scummier for that. What about drazak's odd defenses? | ||
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marvellosity
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On October 23 2012 08:14 austinmcc wrote: marv, what is YOUR read on drazak atm. You were townie earlier, but hapa "has the right idea with his drazak and v7 post." You seem to think v7 threw fuel on the fire, and is scummier for that. What about drazak's odd defenses? Right idea, but I zeroed in on the vader bit because that's who I specifically think comes off worse from that set of pages. Actually this post from drazak gives me a more townie feel: On October 23 2012 04:50 drazak wrote: Not to defend hapa too much, but I know when I've read things, I think different things whehter or not I'm hungry, or if other things are going on in my life, maybe he reconsidered after reading something again. It looks like in his own way he's trying to defuse things. On the flip side of this, it points to the fact he was present in the thread for a while and not making any actual further contributions of his own. Which should be scummy, except... after the last game he played when he was lynched Day 1, he spoke to me on IRC about his play and why he'd been lynched. And he got lynched because he wasn't pushing reads and contributing, although it seemed to me at the time when I was talking to him that for whatever reason he didn't *quite* grasp it; so it's possible to make the argument that he should have learnt from this, but I rather think that it's simply consistent with how he's played as town before. I don't want to lynch drazak today, I still lean town. | ||
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Hapahauli
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##Vote Vaderseven The only players who haven't given me some reason to think they're town are v7, drazak, and marv. Obviously marv is an unrealistic lynch today, and I don't like lynching veterans early (nor do I have any rationale for lynching him whatsoever). And even drazak was atleast eager in the early game and was pretty quick/candid at defending himself early in the game - so I guess he's given me some reason to think he's town as well. We have to lynch someone eventually, and I'm tired of floundering around. At the end of the day, v7 has had 72 hours to come up with something, and he's only given us this: On October 23 2012 04:26 vaderseven wrote: Ok reread entire thread again. Reading filters now. Keirath- Very neutral or careful play. Somewhat defensive. Makes a solid lil case on zboson. Neutral to town read for now. Hapahauli- Dear lord hates lurkers ol. I dont like pushing so fast for a hammer... ill forgive that cuz of my obv involvement in that situation. Do stop thinking active=town and vice versa though. I have seen many town loses get attributed to that thinking. I like how you say your vote and threat towards me of hammer is more just to pressure to vote. Thats good play. Overall very neutral read. Btw, i do appoligize for having a few days o hellish work there but I am used to day 1 being a meh so I figured come in all guns firing next week... whatever. I like the no deadline for this speficic circumstance. More filter reading to come, gotta go on sales floor for a few hours first... be back in lime 2-4 hours. On top of his actions during "DeePgate" and the "ZBo Affair", I'm comfortable lynching him right now. At some point we're going to have to lynch someone, and I think I've given v7 enough time to make a contribution. He hasn't, and I want him dead. | ||
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Z-BosoN
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vaderseven v7's play is extremely lynch-worthy. For some reason, he is only posting via his phone, and that's why his posts feel disconnected from the thread. I don't understand this, however, makes little sense why he wouldn't post from his computer at all, both from a scum and from a town perspective. However, he banks himself on experience, says he's playing a bunch of games. The general tone of his posts during the game are much different from the pre game one. Compare: On October 20 2012 12:01 vaderseven wrote: I have played over 50 forum games of mafia over the past 10 years... on SomethingAwful.net, TL, solidstatesquad, aaroninjapan, ddrstl, and a few other places. I am pretty much the best mafia player to ever walk the planet minus my efforts in GSL I. Policy lynch for a hammer is so situational I don't understand why you would think its a good call from the get go to just declare it. I think a better idea is to make it clear that if you hammer someone you WILL be held responsible for doing so. A hammer is NOT just some other random vote. To: On October 22 2012 10:00 vaderseven wrote: Uh ok the case on me is retarded. There is no case. I havent contributed is being tossed around as a phrase instead hasnt posted much. Someone said me posting my first post of the game in a joking sense was scummy. I am fairly sure at least one scum is voti.g me.... Reread me from any game on this forum and you will note huge day 1 waiting by me followed by a huge ramp up in eagerness to post. I always feel in the dark day 1 and the added info every day adds makes me confident in posting. I dont know what else you guys want me to add.... i dont believe in meta so i am not gonna be likehat guy posted this knd of joke so hes scum... t . Extremely big change. Why is he only posting from his phone? Why would he join the game if he's on 14-hours work days? Doesn't really make much sense. He could be faking his meta or something like that, for whatever reason. I just can't understand him... Drazak There are a couple of interesting things I find about drazak's filter. Also has a lot of WTF?! Anyways: His first post striked me as weird: On October 20 2012 09:27 drazak wrote: Of course Hapa, plenty of free time as far as I know, should be posting a bunch. Also a little less afraid to post for various reasons. I wonder what "various reasons" are those? Is he trying to hint something here? I noticed that from a lot of posts, Drazak talks VERY frequently in terms of what townies would and would not do. Examples: + Show Spoiler + On October 20 2012 10:14 drazak wrote: Why would scum be afraid of casting a vote? If voting and being active is "town" then casting votes would be the most "town" thing you could do. Nervous town are far more likely to not want to early vote because they might not be sure if it makes them look mafia or not. I'm nervous town. @iamperfection As far as what makes me tick? Not sure what you want me to say, I'm a fairly inexperience forum mafia player, I'd like to think I'm not that bad but I'm still pretty nervous about certain things. I watched the last gsl game in despair because of how inactive it was, so I'm trying to be more active than I've ever been. Best flavor of mafia games (IMO) with a gerrible terrible game 2 of the series. + Show Spoiler + On October 20 2012 10:25 drazak wrote: Just giving my thought process on it, while it may not be WIFOM, it's how I thought of it after the fact (and why I was hesitating on voting in the first place). I don't think Mafia have any need to bandwagon votes in an instant lynch game, could be wrong, but it seems somewhat ineffective as nobody will hammer it if there isn't sufficient reason, and if mafia does hammer it it's going to make them look pretty scummy. Voting also causes conversation, which mafia is likely to be somewhat adverse to for having less chance to scumslip. Just my thoughts on how it works with this scenario, obviously mafia have to make some votes. + Show Spoiler + On October 21 2012 13:45 drazak wrote: There obviously is pressure on DP, he's been antsy about the vote ever since. He also thinks to think that it would fit scum motives to leave a vote on him? Haven't figured out how that works yet. You're all discussing things, and a lot of the discussion has its root cause in my vote on DP, so I'd say it's done a job well served. ##unvote DarthPunk As far as what I said, it was brought up several times that being flip-floppy or wishy-washy is something that new scum does. We're all trying to establish town cred right now, that's all of our goals, if I was to do anything wishy-washy or flip-floppy, would I be helping myself (As town, or mafia)? I don't think I would be, but I did generate a fair amount of conversation. I'd like to point out the third spoiler post, the bolded part. Really weird. Scum love to mention how they are contributing to discussion. He also makes these kind of posts in hisNewbie game, so I don't know too much about this. However, in that game, he was much more aggressive, as you guys can observe: On September 19 2012 03:23 drazak wrote: I like how people keep saying they need to hear more form me when I basically said my posting schedule for today, kind of cracks me up and makes me wonder if people are actually reading others posts, or just skimming them. So, the first thing I'd like to bring up is that Killingtime said that he doesn't think FoS is good on day one. So killingtime, how would you get information d1? Would you just lurk in the shadows and look for someone slip up on their own without bring pressured? FOS forces someone to be pressured into giving an answer, the same as voting for someone. If you don't FOS or vote for people oN D!, you're not doing anything to advance town's agenda. So basically what I'm getting at is: ##FOS Killingtime Hey diude, what're your top 2 scum picks? Who are your top two town reads? Do you have anyone you'd like to look at more? As far as looking at Debears goes, I think it's a dead end, I'd definitely like to see his response, but I don't think your reasoning was very good kush, you yourself have show how saying something would look from each perspecting, which is exactly what Debears was doing. IN addition, it's an examination of motives, which is important, everyone has a motive. I don't really have any questions or other comments, I'll let you know if I do. If I missed some questions aimed at me, let me know, I wish there was a better way to look at a filter of posts that mention me, you know? Now what's really interesting is the bolded part. He views votes and FOSes as a good way to pressure people. However, in this game, he displayed an immense insecurity for making his vote. Now, I don't really know how strong of a tell this is, because he's not in a newbie game anymore, and under different circumstances. I am still finding a bit of a mismatch between his filter this game, and his filter in the townie game. It also concerns me how inactive he is, compared to what he told hapa. He said he would have been much more active this game, that he had more free time. Not too sure on him. So these are my thoughts on these two players. tl;dr
@Drazak, I also want you to mention the specific part on where you include "for other various reasons". What reasons are these? | ||
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Z-BosoN
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##Vote vaderseven Good-bye, friend. | ||
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Blazinghand
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vaderseven (5) - iamperfection, drazak, marvellosity, Hapahauli, Z-Boson Z-Boson (2) - Keirathi, DarthPunk Not Voting (2) - vaderseven, austinmcc With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. vaderseven has been lynched. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Night 1 Two shadows slip across the dark backstage. Each silent as a whisper and with a heart full of loathing. They are the radicals, the fringe, who believe not in LoL nor in GSL, as it stands today. They are revolutionaries, and though their hearts shine clearly with a pure idealism, their minds are darkened with murder and madness. Recruited on IRC channels with no static name, trained in the fading twilight of Sc2's BNet 2.0, they have neither morals nor pride. They have hope, though, that deadliest of lies and brightest of truths. The first explosion was a dud. A spark in the darkness, it does nothing. The second goes off quite spectacularly. The left half of the main stage erupts in a gout of flame, singeing hairs in the audience and lowering neighborhood property values drastically. breakycpk and Day[9] duck for cover, and the viewers at home see the camera pan wildly as one dolly crashes into another on the same track, the cameramen fleeing. One valiant grip stays at his post despite the confusion and danger. She steadies Camera A and catches some footage with Camera B, footage immortalized on youtube and shared countless times. The fireball dissipates towards the ceiling leaving scorch marks and igniting part of the curtains. What happens next saddens hearts across the globe. breakycpk has almost made it to the door and the main crowd, and passes close to the stage, in front of the cameras. As he does so, the third bomb goes off. A cacophony of booms and crackles erupt, and through the smoke and the flame, the caster is barely visible, slumped over a chair. The camerawoman releases the camera and runs forwards, dragging him away towards the exit, her small frame struggling to move him until others come to help. The forums are alive with fury and anger. eSports as a whole had barely recovered from the series of assaults and murders in the Cheesing Incidents a couple years back. An explosion at the Grand Finals, whatever the cause, raises eyebrows. Sponsors are questioning their decisions. They stay the course, though, and the GSL executive producer, Mr Han, assures the audience and the teams in a quick and decisive fashion that the finals shall continue and all safety precautions will be taken. Though several were injured by the explosion (and at least one progamer is out of commission as a result), there have been no casualties. Yet. vaderseven as Kim Soo Ho the progamer has been hospitalized due to 2nd-degree burns! and also his arm exploded Welcome to Night 1. The Night ends in 24 hours at Wednesday, Oct 24 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 00:00 GMT (+00:00) Please get all actions in to the Host and co-hosts before night deadline. | ||
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marvellosity
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Keirathi
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Because he's posting from his phone....seriously? Did you not read the other half of his posts? He said his job had employees walk out enexpectedly so they were understaffed and therefore he was having to work extra hours. Maybe you just don't believe those excuse? That's certainly not what you said though. | ||
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