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On October 25 2012 09:52 Djodref wrote: You are sure taking lurker policy lynch seriously. Would you explain us at which point suspicious players become better lynch candidates than inactive players ? Then you suddenly go silent on that issue. And inactive players ARE suspicious (and you can't automatically say whether they're more suspicious or less suspicious than another suspicious player, without providing concrete examples) so it's a moot question anyway. Not your only moot question (you've been called out for asking the "are you mafia?" pointless question, too.) | ||
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On October 27 2012 00:10 Djodref wrote: Ok, give me a list of the accusations you have against me. I'm going to address them right away. On October 26 2012 23:49 sylverfyre wrote: Uh, I've said my reasons. I don't find your defenses/ignorance of accusations adequate, I don't like how you're like BLIND LURKER POLICY IS BAD when NOBODY was advocating blind lurker policy (last resort lurker policy) which pretty much was turning the discussion into a very useless one, then you turn around and start aggressively attacking Ini for lurking. Finally I don't like how you accuse Ini of "not scumhunting" when he makes some well-thought-out town-aligned reads (and some null-reads) To make it a more comprehensive list - poor responses to accusations in the past - "You sure are taking policy seriously" -> Attack lurkers aggressively (the contradiction inherent here) - accusing ini of "not scumhunting" when he posted his reads on people, simply because none of those reads were reads of scum (they were townie or null reads, and ini blatantly admitted such) - Inig was not showing any scumhunting in his posts, only fluff - Emotional levels running awfully high as people mount pressure on you, but not much defense from accusations. - "I don't care if alsn has a FOS on me" is your only defense against him for a long time. Only just now did you even acknowledge his accusations as legit. - Accusing me of sheeping when I've made it clear that I was suspicious of you pretty early. Since then, you've given me more reasons to suspect you. | ||
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@debears on Djo accusation: I initially wrote off his red-bold "I expect you to do your job as town" as banter. There's no such thing as banter once gamestart happens. Now I'm writing it off because I can't see any way to analyze it that doesn't land me in an infinite loop of WIFOM. It's weird and attention grabbing without actually saying something, which could be the start of a semilurk strategy for scum, but Djo has been doing anything but semilurking since then. He's posting accusations on people and backing them up. Also, debears, I was so distracted by your early vote on rad that I think I read those posts of your filter so carefully that I didn't pay as much attention to your non-rad posts. As for Rad's posts about Djo... I am (and have been) making the same argument of "Djo, you're not answering accusations that others are making on you." | ||
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On October 27 2012 02:46 Djodref wrote: sylver Ok, I got your point. What do you think about my defense against your points from your comprehensive list so far ? Anything else I could say ? Your defense against my points is somewhat, and pokes my arguments full of holes. But I'm not even the only one voting you right now, and I'm inclined to keep my vote on you because of the additional evidence that I had missed pointed out by debears that he and Rad had posted about you. I also don't see a reason to get so stressed out about defending oneself if you're town, unless you think you're failing at it. Lets give the example where either you are lynched, or a completely random other person in the game is lynched. If you are lynched, it is 0% correct, and if one of the other 12 players are lynched (well, 11 this game now that we have a modkill) you're slightly better than a random now, if you can convince people successfully of your own innocence. Therefore "I don't want to waste time defending myself, I want to scumhunt" doesn't hold water as a scum defense to me. (And making arguments that don't hold water I find suspicious, as I've said previously this game. And thus, I think you're so stressed out over defending yourself because you are a scum getting caught in a trap. | ||
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In sentence 1. | ||
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At this point I might as well unvote Roco. If 3 people are modkilled Day 1 though, I'm going to cry. IRL. ##Unvote Not gong to vote on Djo for now. Still FOS on him. | ||
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Djo's been so damn active at defending himself, with relatively little aid that it's hard to keep the FOS up. I'm trying to continue my case against him though, will need a moment to reexamine things. | ||
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On October 27 2012 03:03 Djodref wrote: I'm going to bed right now (for real this time^^). I'll sleep for few hours then come back... @ sylver Could you please answer my previous questions ? @Rad I cannot fully address your concern about "a townie should always be able to change his mind provided that the arguments presented are good enough". Firstly, this statement is false. Stupid townie or stubborn townie are sometimes not going to change their minds. Secondly, you have extrapolated a particular case to draw conclusions in a more general point of view. I think it's better to find the real motivation behind specific moves than to consider the big picture. But you are free to use the scumhunting style that fits you the best. I'm saying that I don't read anything scummy on Alsn at this time. It's not a particularly strong read. I'm also saying "ostensibly town" because everyone is going to PRETEND to be town, if nothing else. And scum don't want scum to get lynched day 1, so if there's a choice, they'll push people away from it. If there are 4 people, one of them scum (lets say we picked 4 random people) with 2 votes each against them, it's pretty easy to push the lynch away from one of their own. If people are consolidated into larger bandwagons (this kinda goes back to confidence) then it's harder to change a lynch result without looking suspicious. | ||
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But I do agree on not lynching Djo today. I honestly don't have any good scum reads anymore. Maybe I spent too much time tunneling djo? Kush's case for da0ud looks really strong. Reading over daouds filter one last time. Evaded an important question by answering an unimportant one... weird reason for case against Djo... Talks about blending in while doing exactly that (not posting much + trying to blend in) But he gives some great content pointing out some of the stuff, and is pretty confident in his Ini vote... I can't vote him. I find it interesting that Ini is also sticking hard to his earlier hunch instead of trying to look closer at an already formed bandwagon... That seems on the unscummy side, but not conclusively. | ||
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I need to vote someone NOW. I have no idea what's going on. I don't have any good scum reads that I like acting on, all the arguments have holes... (which was Djo) so I'm gonna end up sheeping SOMEBODY whose arguments I like. ##Vote da0ud | ||
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Da0ud's refuation of your accusation was pretty solid, but I don't like the 'well i can't post much at all for 2 days' and it seems like the kind of cover a mafia benefits from, but makes a townie a lot less potent for the town. | ||
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