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I enjoy how you take yourself only slightly more seriously than you take Your Mom. :D
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Hello nooblords.
I have 40 pages to catch up on Back in a bit.
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Bah. I don't think I'm going to have enough time to finish reading the thread and be able to have some discussion before the day ends. Only on page 63, which is before this marv wagon even started. Reading through his filter, I'm pretty convinced he isn't scum, though. Read through his filter, and compare it with his scum games. He actually cares about getting people's opinions this game (and everyone, not just the vets). Scum marv doesn't care what your opinion on JoeBlow is, he just wants to convince you that his opinion of JohnDoe is correct.
I don't think we should be killing marv today.
Still not sure who I would want to lynch though. Back to reading.
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On January 05 2013 05:04 iamperfection wrote: Keir im from my phone who did you replace? Adam
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On January 05 2013 05:14 yamato77 wrote: So this is exactly what I thought was going to happen when I went to sleep.
Palmar got his head out if his ass and now looks like town Palmar. Even Marv cannot deny that at this point. BC looks scummy for saying otherwise.
By extension this makes me see Marv as more likely to be scum. I don't give a shit about meta on Marv because he is a good enough player to change it, but I do care that his strongest scum read, and indeed the only person he has really tried to push a lynch on, is actually town. Palmar gave the reason that Marv changing his read from null to scum while Palmar is trolling, and this is somewhat indicative of my thoughts on the matter. It was after I pointed out that Palmar wasn't taking the game seriously like he did when I saw town Palmar that Marv decides to attack that angle of his play and vote for him. It worked, I sheeped it, because it was right. However Marv hadn't given any indication before this point that he wanted to lynch Palmar for what he was doing. He had said it was all not alignment indicative.
Not to mention that town Marv doesn't get lynched. He said soi himself before the very first game I played with him. Town Marv would never be in this position because by now people would actually have a town read on him. He hasn't done anything to give me that sense of his intentions this game which makes me all the more comfortable with switching my vote off of Palmar and onto Marv.
Sorry Marv, but if you're town you haven't done a good job proving it to me.
##Unvote ##Vote: Marvellosity Holy fuck this post is terrible. You are grasping at straws to justify your vote.
1) Marv is still meta-able. It has been done and quite successfully.
2) So, marv made a case, which was convincing enough for you to vote Palmar. And now that case makes marv scum? I don't really get that jump in logic.
3) Town marv was the leading lynch candidate until 2 hours before hte deadline in Paranoia. Stop making up facts to fit your vote.
Also another post of yours that I didn't like:
On January 03 2013 23:20 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 16:18 thrawn2112 wrote:hi yamato On January 03 2013 08:44 yamato77 wrote:On January 03 2013 08:41 iamperfection wrote:On January 03 2013 08:40 yamato77 wrote: Outspoken player =/= scum. Palmar is overly active and has good reasons for the policy lynch.
Marv you know better so you starting this Palmar is scum stuff is fishy. what good reasons I agree that Bugs can get in the way of scumhunt when he is town and when scum is possibly highly difficult to catch. Basically the definition of a policy lynch. Complete coin flip. I'm not saying lynch Bugs but I can see where Palmar is coming from. I don't see where a town palmar could *seriously* be coming from. I can see where he'd be coming from if the purpose is to start discussion but the idea that he could have a legitimate reason to policy lynch someone like wbg is crazy. yamato you are saying palmar's 'policy vote' makes palmar more likely to be town? On January 03 2013 09:37 yamato77 wrote: If your town meta is being a dick to other townies then you should rethink how you play this game.
Hopeless has been a zero presence poster. His only contribution is to tell other people that they are wasting time. He is worthy of my suspicion. the bolded part reads as "I'm having to fake my scumreads" Hi thrawn I think you'll see in both exchanges you picked posts out of more explanation for my actions that you seem to think is lacking. If you sincerely believe me scum you are wasting your time. Yours truly, Yamato <3 I've never seen a town yamato make a post like that. Town yamato gets outraged when people question him, not tried to downplay their thoughts.
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Also FWIW, I find it highly improbably based on anecdotal evidence that scum marv would make a case on a town Palmar (and even more unlikely that he would make the case on a scum teammate Palmar). There are just too many "easier" candidates to push, even with a trolly/whatever-you-want-to-call-it Palmar early. I'm much more inclined to believe that it was a town marv who honestly just found Palmar scummy at that point.
Also marv being wishy-washy and not very committal to anyone other than the case on Palmar I find to be a small town tell as well. He is much more decisive as scum, at least on day 1. His day 1 town play has multiple cases of him being like this.
I really don't think marv is a good lynch today.
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On January 05 2013 05:46 yamato77 wrote: bugs an keir scum team spouting nonsense about me being scum
you guys have zero insight into my play I have zero insight into your play? I seem to remember calling your town quite fervently in Parallel. I was right that time, wasn't I?
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On January 05 2013 05:46 Toadesstern wrote: I really think any kind of lynch between Marv / BC / Hopeless / maybe VE would be awesome right now.
But Palmars the man and he says it's Marv and not the other 3 guys, so Marv it is. If you're so comfortable with a marv lynch, then at least give me some discussions on my counter-points about marv. Maybe you think I'm terrible and my reasoning doesn't matter, but just humor me, k?
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On January 05 2013 05:54 Hopeless1der wrote: can the non-voters please drop a placeholder at least? djo,keir thrawn i think you guys are around I don't see any reason to drop a placeholder vote. I'm not going to get modkilled, and I'm not going to vote marv. I'll vote when people quit ignoring my posts and have some discussion with me.
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On January 05 2013 06:03 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:02 Keirathi wrote:On January 05 2013 05:54 Hopeless1der wrote: can the non-voters please drop a placeholder at least? djo,keir thrawn i think you guys are around I don't see any reason to drop a placeholder vote. I'm not going to get modkilled, and I'm not going to vote marv. I'll vote when people quit ignoring my posts and have some discussion with me. what do you think of Hopeless? Have you read the post I made on his play? To be completely honest though, I don't think marv will live today. No, I haven't gotten to it yet I guess. Link?
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On January 05 2013 06:04 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:03 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 05 2013 06:02 Keirathi wrote:On January 05 2013 05:54 Hopeless1der wrote: can the non-voters please drop a placeholder at least? djo,keir thrawn i think you guys are around I don't see any reason to drop a placeholder vote. I'm not going to get modkilled, and I'm not going to vote marv. I'll vote when people quit ignoring my posts and have some discussion with me. what do you think of Hopeless? Have you read the post I made on his play? To be completely honest though, I don't think marv will live today. No, I haven't gotten to it yet I guess. Link? EBWOP: Oh, you mean http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17423909 ?
Yea I read that. I haven't gone through his filter yet to corroborate your evidence though.
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On January 05 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote: Keir I'm town. it should be obvious. you calling me scum when I vote for Marv based on reasons I have entirely of my own is dumb. I may be wrong but whatever, it's what I think and Marv is getting lynched I am very aware that you are quite often (read: always) wrong as town. Being scum forces you to be wrong quite often, as well, unless you want to constantly bus your teammates.
So, how should I decide if you being wrong is town or scum?
Its all based on the reasonings and attitude. And I think a few of your posts this game have had blatantly different mindsets than your posts in your other games. I'm a bit conflicted because some of your posts do have a similiar mindset, but its the outliers that I can't quite justify from a town yamato yet.
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On January 05 2013 06:12 Toadesstern wrote: Marv never did a case on Palmar. Marv pressure voted Palmar, rightfully so, It has nothing to do with Marv being wrong or right on Palmar though.
Does this not count as a case?
On January 04 2013 10:31 marvellosity wrote: I'm still pretty happy with my vote on Palmar, for reasons already given. There's nothing in what Palmar has done so far that suggests in the slightest that he gives a shit for town, and he should be one of the town leaders.
This is further exacerbated by a conversation I had with him on IRC a few days ago. We were just talking about his play a little, and I'd told him that a weakness in his play was that he often got caught up in thinking what a town player "should" do, and being wrong as being a scumtell. Shortly after he wrote this in a QT:
"Palmar 12-31-2012 08:39 PM ET (US)
I have a weakness in my game where I just think everyone that doesn't agree with me when I'm right is scum, and everyone who does is town. There is absolutely no reason for me to think Bugs is scum, only the fact he's been wrong all game long. That doesn't make him scum though."
And twice in this conversation on IRC, related to this, he said that Day 1 was his strongest day, because he's not encumbered with flips and this sense of right and wrong.
So his manner of play today makes this even more galling. This is supposedly his strongest day as town by some margin, and he's decided to use it by claiming scum 3 times, generally trolling, giving no reads, or at least no explanation for his reads. As far as I can see, he's banking on people viewing his retarded play as town somehow, even though there is literally nothing townie about it. Recently in his townplay he has been quite happy to tell people why he finds certain people town, and then when he decides someone is scummy, he gives good reasons why. Just none of it this game.
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bugs, your reaction to the claim is troubling.
On December 02 2012 07:27 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 06:52 Blazinghand wrote: yeah a role PM would be nice marv
I do think Ace makes a reasonable case for why Marv's claim is bad and should be punished, but as a rule lynching blue claims D1 is bad. Sorry Ace. You are Jamie Hyneman. Your love of the scientific method makes it possible for you to find out how shit works. You've also got a cool collection of cameras and stuff, that you can totally use to track people. (Detective) LOL what kind of shit cop claims day 1? Of all people marv would know that this is a terrible idea as town. So, guess what? HE'S NOT TOWN!
Paranoia, as town, with a town amrv claiming cop.
Quite a different reaction here :o
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On January 05 2013 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:27 Keirathi wrote:bugs, your reaction to the claim is troubling. On December 02 2012 07:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 02 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 06:52 Blazinghand wrote: yeah a role PM would be nice marv
I do think Ace makes a reasonable case for why Marv's claim is bad and should be punished, but as a rule lynching blue claims D1 is bad. Sorry Ace. You are Jamie Hyneman. Your love of the scientific method makes it possible for you to find out how shit works. You've also got a cool collection of cameras and stuff, that you can totally use to track people. (Detective) LOL what kind of shit cop claims day 1? Of all people marv would know that this is a terrible idea as town. So, guess what? HE'S NOT TOWN! Paranoia, as town, with a town amrv claiming cop. Quite a different reaction here :o that game made me realize that townies claim like shit all the time. In the most recent game (yet another) morbidius claimed cop early d2 and I instantly believed him. The claim is alignment-null IMO. You believed morbidius because it was too stupid to be a scum claim. This claim isn't too stupid to be ascum claim, and is very similar to marv's claim in Paranoia :o
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I don't think marv is a good lynch today, especially after the claim. If he is cop, scum either have to give up KP to roleblock him, or use KP to kill him.
I'm not really convinced BC is scum either. But as the major counter-wagon to marv, I would consolidate onto him at the deadline if I need to to save marv.
For now I'm going to sheep bugs onto Hopeless. I like the case, and I don't feel like Hopeless is being particularly townie.
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On January 05 2013 06:41 grush57 wrote: Wait, Marv would of breadcrumbed. This is like last game. Is he scum? Does he breadcrumb early in his meta? Or at all? Marv didn't breadcrumb as cop day 1 in Paranoia iirc.
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On January 05 2013 06:44 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:42 Palmar wrote: This is a desperation claim, not to mention according to Ace logic that is always perfect, you should always lynch day 1 roleclaimers.
Don't unvote marv, kill that scummy bastard This game is not a normal game. If Marv is fakeclaiming, scum will take a severe blow by sacrificing KP. This is actually a good point. If marv is scum and fakeclaiming, then scum can't use their full 3 KP tonight. A scum team with a town marv as cop would 100% either kill marv or give up KP to roleblock him.
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Bah, just going to vote BC to make sure that marv doesn't get lynched.
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On January 05 2013 06:52 Palmar wrote: Seriously fuck this game.
Enjoy i'm not going to do fucking shit for the rest of it. You're gullible idiots. You were similarly convinced that bugs was scum in Hero, and he wasn't. I genuinely respect your abilities, but I don't think you are always right. And this time I disagree with you.
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On January 05 2013 06:55 Toadesstern wrote:we've got 5 minutes left and you want us to swtich everything? What's wrong with you? ^^^^This.
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On January 05 2013 06:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Palmar Meakpak Foolishness Thrawn Djodref sentinal
2-4 are red.
You can thank me later you retarded morons. Also, have fun killing players who were more useful than the ones you were listening to. Palmar is 100% red, as is Meapak. Enjoy faggots.
Also I am a blue role, enjoy offing that too, however I am in your favour for letting me out of this mess. I was expecting a high end game to play not a bunch of trolls throwing feces. Meh. I don't feel too bad lynching someone who wasn't even playing over marv. I understand you said you had time commitments before the game even started, but if it was an inactive you or an active marv, I would rather have marv around.
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On January 05 2013 07:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 07:00 Keirathi wrote:On January 05 2013 06:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Palmar Meakpak Foolishness Thrawn Djodref sentinal
2-4 are red.
You can thank me later you retarded morons. Also, have fun killing players who were more useful than the ones you were listening to. Palmar is 100% red, as is Meapak. Enjoy faggots.
Also I am a blue role, enjoy offing that too, however I am in your favour for letting me out of this mess. I was expecting a high end game to play not a bunch of trolls throwing feces. Meh. I don't feel too bad lynching someone who wasn't even playing over marv. I understand you said you had time commitments before the game even started, but if it was an inactive you or an active marv, I would rather have marv around. err? You do realize meapak and foolishness were more inactive, dref and sentinal. Right, but not enough time to swing the votes off of marv to anywhere but you in the last few hours. (Remember I just replaced in a few hours ago).
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On January 05 2013 07:16 Lazermonkey wrote: : /.
So what do we learn from this? We should've killed Hopeless... What we learn is that Palmar is scum.
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On January 05 2013 07:18 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 07:17 Keirathi wrote:On January 05 2013 07:16 Lazermonkey wrote: : /.
So what do we learn from this? We should've killed Hopeless... What we learn is that Palmar is scum. Herp? How? BC claimed that he used his rolecop to check Palmar. He was pretty adamant about it.
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Yo Palmar, since you are around:
Mind updating your read on Adam/me? You had Adam down in the spreadsheet as probably scum. Then I came in and hard defended your push against marv. Do you think that I am scum?
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On January 05 2013 09:14 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 09:07 Keirathi wrote: Yo Palmar, since you are around:
Mind updating your read on Adam/me? You had Adam down in the spreadsheet as probably scum. Then I came in and hard defended your push against marv. Do you think that I am scum? @ KeirDid you cacth up with the whole thread now ? What do you make of this day ? Do you think mafia was on BC's lynch ? Also I would like to know if the fact that we have already 2 cops dead change anything about your read on marv. No, I still haven't read the whole thread. After the deadline I went to do other things for a while.
Do I think there were mafia on BC's lynch? That almost entirely depends on if marv is scum or not. If marv is scum, then yes, almost certainly. If marv is town, then scum were probably spread out and didn't really care who died.
And yea, Eywa- flipping Slow Cop makes me a bit more unsure about marv. I still think his actions during the day are more likely to come from town marv than scum marv, though.
I'm pretty interested in how the NKs play out though, before I decide on him. It could be interesting.
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On January 05 2013 09:26 Toadesstern wrote: Worth a 5k-post. Make sure to shoot into VE or Marv. WBG would be awesome as well, but mainly for hilarity reasons although I'm not saying he's looking townish at all.
Anyone protecting VE, Marv, WBG or Palmar this night will be slapped postgame. You think all 4 of them are scum? I mean, I'm not a balance wizard or anything, but that seems pretty unlikely.
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On January 05 2013 09:37 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 09:34 Palmar wrote: are you fucking insane toad? I'm basically confirmed town to half the thread and you're asking people not to protect me? Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 09:35 marvellosity wrote:On January 05 2013 09:34 Palmar wrote: are you fucking insane toad? I'm basically confirmed town to half the thread and you're asking people not to protect me? you're blates red to BC who flipped town <3 not saying you're red. I don't think mafia would shoot you though. If you are town, which I highly assume t be the case mafia doesn't want you dead right now, especially not if you're right now Marv. VE and Marv won't be shot either, at least not by mafia... There's no reason to protect WBG at all this game and I included him as a not-target because people who don't know what to do generally love picking vets without thinking about it. Holy fuck do you even think about what you are saying before you say it?
In this hypothetical situation where both Palmar and marv are town and neither gets shot because they are fighting against each other, who DOES get shot?
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On January 05 2013 09:45 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote: LOL @ Toad wanting Jackal to be protected I'm just giving examples without giving anything into reads based on the "let's protect vets"-approach, but yeah protection on him would be better than protection on you or Marv / Palmar for reasons already stated. Let me translate:
"Hi guys. Don't protect marv/Palmar/Bugs because I plan on shooting them. Protect those other vets who aren't doing anything just because they are vets!"
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On January 05 2013 09:48 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 09:47 Keirathi wrote:On January 05 2013 09:45 Toadesstern wrote:On January 05 2013 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote: LOL @ Toad wanting Jackal to be protected I'm just giving examples without giving anything into reads based on the "let's protect vets"-approach, but yeah protection on him would be better than protection on you or Marv / Palmar for reasons already stated. Let me translate: "Hi guys. Don't protect marv/Palmar/Bugs because I plan on shooting them. Protect those other vets who aren't doing anything just because they are vets!" Hey, I thought I was the scumToad translator! Apparently the job calls for multiple people because so many things he says seem so wrong.
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On January 05 2013 09:52 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of Sentinel Kei? First read through of his filter puts me leaning town. I agree with Palmar's assessments. His self-vote, while bad, is slightly more likely from town than scum. I dunno anything about him, so I have no idea what to expect when reading his posts, but at face value I would put him down as town.
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Goddamn so many questions for a game I haven't even caught up on completely, yet :o
Give me like 15-20 minutes. Finishing up my end-game stuff for YANMM.
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On January 05 2013 10:17 wherebugsgo wrote:Foolishness wanna take a try at my newfangled game? I think you'll like it Satisfaction guaranteed. What does one propose we do about the tube problem? Scum -> Scum -> Town -> Town
Too easy.
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Okey, reading up on MZ, froggy, and kush. Post soon.
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On January 05 2013 09:54 Djodref wrote: @ Kei
What do you make out of kush this game ? Especially from a meta point of view...
Okay, first up.
Kush's filter looks pretty bad. But Kush's filter always looks bad, no matter what alignment, because he's just not very good.
His very first post is kind of troubling:
On January 03 2013 07:10 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:05 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm OK with killing kush as well! i never even seen you before how do you automatically want to kill me?
Scum kush can get quite defensive and snippy when he's called out.
However, the only person he has cared about the entire game has been marv, which I would give him slight townie points for UNLESS marv flips scum. I just don't see scum kush pushing townie marv. Could definitely see scum kush busing scum marv though.
Overall, mostly null. Maybe slightly pinkish.
On January 05 2013 09:52 marvellosity wrote: Kei, why don't you stop talking about Toad, and start talking about more interesting people like Meapak or froggy.
On MZ:
Your case was quite compelling. The problem I have is that lynching him hinges on you being town, which I'm less certain of right now. I'm just not sure scum-marv would have made that case on scum-MZ. Hedging my bets for now, and saying leaning scum on MZ.
Froggy:
Mostly null on this guy. The only thing that gives me any concern is him pushing BC, which only makes him mafia if you are mafia and he was trying to save you. Otherwise it just makes him wrong. His points against BC were solid, but he wasn't particularly aggressive about them. I don't know anything about him, so I'm just leaving him in the null section for now.
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On January 05 2013 10:51 marvellosity wrote: the case only depends very slightly on my alignment, really. I mean obviously if you knew I was town it'd be much easier to roll with it.
But the fact remains he flipflopped according to the sentiment in the thread, and his tunkeg attitude just doesn't add up, and that's nothing to do with me really.
Keirathi - you've got some experience with Cheesecake and debears. I'd like you to tell me what you see. debears is trolling with chezinu, which I assume means they are probably masons (have they actually claimed masons? I don't remember seeing it if they have. maybe I just haven't gotten there yet). Dunno who initiated the masonry, though. Probably debears, since he seemed quite concerned with mason stuff early game. Probably town, then.
I don't have any experience playing with CC, and I generally just don't attempt to meta people that I haven't played with, but I did like kush's statement that CC was more jokey as town and more serious as scum, at least in the past. Nothing in his filter screams scum to me, though. You seemed quite willing to lynch him, so do explain.
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Also @marv:
You are quite good, as scum, at taking things townies do and using them as cases to get hte lynched, no? I mean, you win quite often as scum, and your lynches get pushed through. So saying your alignment has no bearing on the case on MZ is just flat out wrong.
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On January 05 2013 12:59 kushm4sta wrote: Did I miss something... marv claimed slow alignment cop we had a slow alignment cop flip. therefore marv's claim was fake because town only has 1. ps no your bad keirathi Does it say somewhere that there can only be one of any role? If there is, then I'm overlooking it. All I see is it saying that not every role will be in the game.
Plus, as it stands, I think dibbers and iamp are both masons (unless dibbers wants to clear that up?).
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EBWOP: Although, I do admit, it starts getting fishy when a Slow Cop and a Role Cop flipped day 1. I dunno how likely 3 cops really are.
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On January 05 2013 13:21 kushm4sta wrote: Also it really pisses me off that Marv claimed so late, when it was obvious way earlier that he was on track to be lynched. I don't get how anyone that think 40 before a not close lynch is a good time to claim. When would you have preferred him to claim, assuming he was telling the truth?
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On January 05 2013 13:27 kushm4sta wrote: as soon as it was obvious he was going to get lynched otherwise Town marv was yelled at in Paranoia for claiming Cop day 1 when he was the majority lynch with an hour and a half left.
His last post before he claimed was over an hour and a half before his claim post. Which means it was over 2 hours before deadline. It wouldn't be that big of a shock to me if a town marv wouldn't claim at that point (even earlier than the last claim), after the flak he received for it recently by some of the very same players in this game.
And whatever you want to say about marv, I don't think he is a liar. If he said he was off playing a board game with his SO's family, he was probably off playing a board game.
Basically the timing of his claim is a null tell.
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Another thing I am concerned about with marv's claim, though, is WHO THE FUCK IS MANDY? Mom is a recognizable person. Inspector Gadget is a cartoon. Palmar claimed Jaedong. I know what my PM says.
Who is Mandy, though, and why is she a Slow Cop?
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Okay, I guess there are more notable Mandys than I realized.
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On January 05 2013 22:19 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:17 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:14 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:13 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Lazer why can't MZ and marv not both be scum at the same time in your eyes? They can. But I don't find it very likely. That's not not not what I asked. I'm asking WHY it's not very likely in your eyes Well I don't think scum Marv would attack MZ in the position he is in. There are several people who have posted bad up untill this point so why chose your own team mate. Yes, he COULD be bussing, but I don't think it's likely. Have you seen marv play scum? Last game he bussed adam because he didn't expect him to get lynched, but he never flinched in the thread even as he was convincing everyone to kill his teammate day 1. Your reasoning is bad. Okay, I just want to comment on this while I'm catching up with what I missed overnight.
There is a very important difference between marv bussing Adam, and scum marv potentially bussing scum MZ. You see, in Hero, Palmar was pushing Adam and he was right. A town Palmar who is correct gets his way, so Marv sheeped onto the case.
Don't get me wrong, people had talked about MZ a bit before Marv's case. But he wasn't getting any traction. Scum marv will bus when he has to, generally not before. Especially if the player is someone who isn't a total liability.
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On January 06 2013 02:51 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 01:42 Toadesstern wrote: @Keirathi: I already told Kurumi I'm sorry and he said it's fine, so what do you think of me? What did you tell Kurumi you were sorry for?
And honestly I have no fucking clue how to read you. So many of your posts make me cringe, but (I think) the only time I've ever played with you was CT and the dynamic was completely different than a "normal" game. I've casually read a few of your games (YANMM, LVII, seems like maybe one more), but not any scum games (again, except CT, but hard to draw parallels).
Who the fuck knows?
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On January 06 2013 03:16 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:06 marvellosity wrote: this game has led to a certain unavoidable snippiness level, by dint of sheer stupidity and bigheadedness (Palmar) and sheeping of said stupidity and bigheadedness (lots of town) Marv how do you know it's town sheeping palmar and not scum>? 11 people can't all be scum, goober.
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On January 06 2013 03:32 tube wrote: anyway we lost three cops, two of them for awful reasons so ill just let whatever happens happen What does that even mean? That you're going to stop trying? You weren't exactly trying before.
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On January 06 2013 03:51 debears wrote: Ok. Quick question.
I noticed a certain two people suddenly picked up their activity at the exact moment that Marv ragequit. They started discussing with each other. I found it extremely odd that they would both happen to pop into the thread, after having little activity for so long, and suddenly take over the thread.
Considering marv's thread presence and ability as town, how likely would it be for those two to be scum? Maybe you could say exactly which two you are talking about.
A lot of people started getting active around that time, because *GASP*, its wakey-wakey time.
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On January 06 2013 04:11 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:09 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 06 2013 04:07 debears wrote:On January 06 2013 03:56 Keirathi wrote:On January 06 2013 03:51 debears wrote: Ok. Quick question.
I noticed a certain two people suddenly picked up their activity at the exact moment that Marv ragequit. They started discussing with each other. I found it extremely odd that they would both happen to pop into the thread, after having little activity for so long, and suddenly take over the thread.
Considering marv's thread presence and ability as town, how likely would it be for those two to be scum? Maybe you could say exactly which two you are talking about. A lot of people started getting active around that time, because *GASP*, its wakey-wakey time. Ah good call. It appears one normally posts around that time. The other had not posted within 5 hours, but it would be a reasonable time to post based on location. However, I do see activity differences from both of these people in their town metas. Voting analysis will commence Stupid question: Why are you avoiding naming these mysterious people. In short, Idk who is scum at this point. I'm not trusting anyone with names, for fear of them being scum and misleading me. If I withold names, then scum can not know if I'm talking of their teammates I can't imagine a town debears ever not sharing information, no matter how small or negligible. You push things at your smallest whim, and then change your mind equally as fast.
What gives?
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On January 06 2013 04:18 supersoft wrote: 1. Palmar is town. I know, mighty BC thought differently, but I really played enough games with Palmar to judge him. that motivated trolling in the beginning. After that the pressuring on derps like vivax and finally that case on marv. ... Yeah well that case was okay Most important for me are the little things like: His spreadsheet says iamp is mason. Therefor town. Yes. That is absolutely correct! A mason that masons Palmar day1 is town in this game. No scumteam says: "Hey give some weak players the masonability to talk to palmar" who basically is a scumradar. (well, lol he failed a little recently, but they dont know that)
Herp derp, your reasoning here is terrible.
Of course if Palmar is scum and iamp isn't, he would know iamp was town. How does that make Palmar town? It makes iamp town, because of the reasons to said, but that doesn't say anything about Palmar.
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On January 06 2013 04:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: supersoft don't compare my play this game with bureaucracy, I was the mafia traitor that game and so my play was really wonky. Also it really doesn't make sense that you wanna kill me because I have two correct town reads. I know I'm not playing a good game so far but I don't think you should crucify me for having 2 out of 30 correct reads. I've seen you and Palmar play a lot, I'm very sure I know what you guys look like as town.
Anyway I'm gonna present a case tomorrow. Who it'll be I don't know because like I said earlier, I don't have very strong reads this game. I ask that the next person who says "Yeah I'd be down to kill MZ" actually read my filter and not sheep marv's stale case. My filter's really short, it shouldn't be that hard. Just ask yourself, am I actually pushing a scum agenda? Am I actively disrupting the town? Am I shitting up the thread? Am I avoiding people?
I would guess probably 75% of the people calling for my lynch probably haven't read my filter. I have definitely read your filter.
So let me ask you a question. With BC and marv both being town, what the fuck kind of agenda would scum have needed to push? They were free to sit back and do whatever.
Which is what a lot of your filter feels like. You didn't really care if Palmar was getting lynched, or marv, or who. You just went along with the major bandwagons.
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On January 06 2013 04:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:43 Keirathi wrote:On January 06 2013 04:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: supersoft don't compare my play this game with bureaucracy, I was the mafia traitor that game and so my play was really wonky. Also it really doesn't make sense that you wanna kill me because I have two correct town reads. I know I'm not playing a good game so far but I don't think you should crucify me for having 2 out of 30 correct reads. I've seen you and Palmar play a lot, I'm very sure I know what you guys look like as town.
Anyway I'm gonna present a case tomorrow. Who it'll be I don't know because like I said earlier, I don't have very strong reads this game. I ask that the next person who says "Yeah I'd be down to kill MZ" actually read my filter and not sheep marv's stale case. My filter's really short, it shouldn't be that hard. Just ask yourself, am I actually pushing a scum agenda? Am I actively disrupting the town? Am I shitting up the thread? Am I avoiding people?
I would guess probably 75% of the people calling for my lynch probably haven't read my filter. I have definitely read your filter. So let me ask you a question. With BC and marv both being town, what the fuck kind of agenda would scum have needed to push? They were free to sit back and do whatever. Which is what a lot of your filter feels like. You didn't really care if Palmar was getting lynched, or marv, or who. You just went along with the major bandwagons. Which is basically a summarization of marv's case and the reason he would be a good lynch. I'm continuing on my streak of asking this question to people! Keir: What do you think of Sentinel and my case on him? I already said what I thought of Sentinel, before your case. Your case does have some merit, but I'm not sure it pushes him into the OMG HE MUST BE SCUM side of things. I'm interested to see what he does from now on, though.
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On January 06 2013 04:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:43 Keirathi wrote:On January 06 2013 04:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: supersoft don't compare my play this game with bureaucracy, I was the mafia traitor that game and so my play was really wonky. Also it really doesn't make sense that you wanna kill me because I have two correct town reads. I know I'm not playing a good game so far but I don't think you should crucify me for having 2 out of 30 correct reads. I've seen you and Palmar play a lot, I'm very sure I know what you guys look like as town.
Anyway I'm gonna present a case tomorrow. Who it'll be I don't know because like I said earlier, I don't have very strong reads this game. I ask that the next person who says "Yeah I'd be down to kill MZ" actually read my filter and not sheep marv's stale case. My filter's really short, it shouldn't be that hard. Just ask yourself, am I actually pushing a scum agenda? Am I actively disrupting the town? Am I shitting up the thread? Am I avoiding people?
I would guess probably 75% of the people calling for my lynch probably haven't read my filter. I have definitely read your filter. So let me ask you a question. With BC and marv both being town, what the fuck kind of agenda would scum have needed to push? They were free to sit back and do whatever. Which is what a lot of your filter feels like. You didn't really care if Palmar was getting lynched, or marv, or who. You just went along with the major bandwagons. I thought Palmar was town for the beginning and then changed my mind when I thought he was gonna try and hide in plain sight. But he pulled his shit together which meant I wasn't gonna lynch him. Especially given Marv's flip, I'm still a little uncertain but at this point I'm pretty sure he's town. As for Marv, I'm really glad he's dead. He's literally the reason why town hasn't done shit. His spamming and dickishness was getting us nowhere and making the thread a nightmare to read. When I find a target who I'm sure is scum then I'll push them hard. But in d1, with the amount of spam in the thread and the fact that I didn't have a stronger read than Palmar's case on marv, I was willing to go along. Now had I been active when the whole BC bullshit got started I'd have certainly come out strongly against that but that's all after the fact now and I can't use that to show my innocence. That's not even my point.
You defended yourself with "Was I pushing a mafia agenda?"
With 25 people out of 30 voting for 2 mod-confirmed townies, what agenda do you actually think scum would have needed to push?
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On January 06 2013 05:55 Palmar wrote: MZ is a good lynch, Adam, maybe cheesecake. Refer to my spreadsheet it's still mostly how I feel Hellooooo.
I replaced Adam before the day even ended yesterday. Well before you ever left.
Quit being a dickwad and read the damn thread.
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On January 06 2013 06:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Also marv got modkilled Right. But we at least know he was reading the thread until well past when I joined the game. Even if he read up to the ragequit and then had to leave and never saw the modkill, he should still know I replaced Adam.
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I am Batman, the Vengeful Vigilante. I am shooting tube, because he has lurked and contributed nothing, and I don't fancy having him around later in the game making it harder for us to win.
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On January 06 2013 07:06 Hopeless1der wrote: 1KP: Day Vigilante (Need to pick a member to get the role during the day during the night. Then he pms the host and kill is executed as fast as host sees it.)
No where there does it say you must post in thread. Certainly plausible, and also completely fucking imbalanced because it evades all night actions I think. What night actions does it evade?
There are no town roleblockers, watchers, trackers, etc.
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On January 06 2013 07:16 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 07:15 Keirathi wrote:On January 06 2013 07:06 Hopeless1der wrote: 1KP: Day Vigilante (Need to pick a member to get the role during the day during the night. Then he pms the host and kill is executed as fast as host sees it.)
No where there does it say you must post in thread. Certainly plausible, and also completely fucking imbalanced because it evades all night actions I think. What night actions does it evade? There are no town roleblockers, watchers, trackers, etc. Medics. Ah, right.
Kind of silly, then.
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On January 06 2013 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Three flipped cops.
Scum won't be wasting KP on obfuscation.
Tonight there will be blood. This looks awfully strange, in hindsight.
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On January 06 2013 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote: I guess it has to do with the fact that 3 town cops died, if cops still existed it is riskier to not use straight up nks, I guess..... I dunno
Actually going to bed now. How is it riskier if cops are still alive?
It says that mafia day vigs PM the host and the host executes the kill. Very unlikely that said person would actually claim said kill, since the OP also says all town powers are night powers except Mason.
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On January 06 2013 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 07:19 Keirathi wrote:On January 06 2013 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Three flipped cops.
Scum won't be wasting KP on obfuscation.
Tonight there will be blood. This looks awfully strange, in hindsight. I totally misunderstood how the DayVig mechanic works. Now that I understand it, it doesn't make sense for scum to do anything BUT DayVig. X( Honestly, it reeks of "I had information that there wasn't actually going to be a blood bath, but I'm going to say there is going to be a blood bath!"
And I already considered shooting you over tube, despite tube not playing. Marv was suspicious of you, Palmar is (was?) suspicious of you. You've just coasted along hopping from wagon to wagon without taking any responsibility for your actions.
Then this sketchy thing just before there are no NKs.
Why shouldn't we lynch you today?
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On January 06 2013 07:34 VisceraEyes wrote: And I was the origninator of the BC wagon Kei, I mean...if you want to call me a bandwagon hopper that's fine, but I at least had the conviction to push my own candidate come lynch time. If we play the hypothetical game, and assume you are scum, how does that even matter? You helped to push the lynch off of one townie onto another.
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On January 06 2013 07:38 VisceraEyes wrote: And you considered shooting me over tube? With players like MZ and Foolishness all up in this piece?
Like...I just don't even.... Yes.
MZ will probably be lynched soon. If not today, then tomorrow. I'm willing to give Foolishness some BOTD for now, because I believe he can be helpful later if he actually is town (and apparnetly its his meta to troll/lurk day 1 as town, then start contributing...taking other people's word on that).
You, I have no idea how to read you later in the game. You are all over the place, and very little you do actually makes sense from either alignment. I really only ended up shooting tube over you because he wasn't participating at all. At least you're here.
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On January 06 2013 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 07:47 Keirathi wrote:On January 06 2013 07:38 VisceraEyes wrote: And you considered shooting me over tube? With players like MZ and Foolishness all up in this piece?
Like...I just don't even.... Yes. MZ will probably be lynched soon. If not today, then tomorrow. I'm willing to give Foolishness some BOTD for now, because I believe he can be helpful later if he actually is town (and apparnetly its his meta to troll/lurk day 1 as town, then start contributing...taking other people's word on that). You, I have no idea how to read you later in the game. You are all over the place, and very little you do actually makes sense from either alignment. I really only ended up shooting tube over you because he wasn't participating at all. At least you're here. You say this, but here you are questioning ME like you want to lynch ME today...which means that you weren't REALLY thinking about MZ as a lynch today at all. What?
So, I should just shut up and not question anyone else while we all bandwagon on to MZ and waste the day with no other discussion?
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On January 06 2013 07:51 VisceraEyes wrote: But hey, I'm bad for town right? Everyone thinks so. Fuck ALL of you guys. Wah wah wah.
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On January 06 2013 07:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, I don't fucking get it. People bitch that I post too much, but bitch about what I post. No one fucking listens to me, so what is the point of even playing? I post less, people call me lurky.
Fuck this place. Fuck all of you. So is the problem everyone else? Or is it more likely that the problem is you?
Other people are quite capable of posting sensibly enough to be considered town pretty easily.
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On January 06 2013 07:56 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: VisceraEyes
What Kei? Couldn't hear you over the sound of me playing against my win condition. Good lord, man. Why are you so butt hurt?
I was just asking some questions so I could get a read on you because some of your play has looked bad this game.
Hell you didn't even get this pissed when I hardcore conspiracy theoried you in LC.
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And its not even like I have any influence. I am one of those players that is always ignored when it comes vote time because I am not a forceful personality. Especially when there are many vets in this game who do have those personalities. :o
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On January 06 2013 08:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Because marv quit and the only people left are people who are fucking dicks to me and I don't wanna play anymore.
Because you're saying I'm more suspicious than people who have NOTHING in this thread
Because so many people aren't even posting that this game is not only impossible, but not fun to boot. I apologize if I was being a dick. That was not my intention when I started this dialog.
Some things in your filter gave me cause for concern, and so I questioned you about them. I guess its your right to get upset about that if you want. Whatevs.
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On January 06 2013 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote: So fucking whatever...vote for me. You're suspicious of me right? Scum don't want to lynch me because I'm bad for town, so just fucking do it. I won't stop you. Herp derp, if I voted for everyone I was ever suspicious of, I would likely never win a game.
I'm suspicious of EVERYONE until they are confirmed town.
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EBWOP:
And I'm not in the business of voting townies if I can help it. I am wrong as often as not, but I certainly don't try to be. I want to figure you out, not just vote you because you are angry.
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On January 06 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Whatever, you lack spine.
I don't need your vote to die. I'll just suspiciously disappear. How the fuck do I lack spine?
Good lord, grow up.
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On January 06 2013 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I say you lack spine because I'm in here scumming it up and you're not voting for me. You say you're suspicious of me, and when I give you actual CAUSE to be suspicious, you back off. Being angry doesn't make you scum, sweetie.
Nor does voting for yourself.
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Okay, the next person I want to talk about is Hopeless1der.
I originally sent in my shot on him, instead of tube. Marv hadn't flipped yet, and as a Vengeful Vig, I could only shoot people who were voting on confirmed town lynches. But I went back and did some meta diving on Hopeless, and I'm not quite as sure that he is scum as I was when WBG made the case originally. I think bugs missed a key part of scum Hopeless's mindset compared to his town mindset.
For instance (These are from scum games):
+ Show Spoiler +On November 02 2012 03:20 Hopeless1der wrote:Okay, ignoring the possibility of two mason pairs: I could actually quote every single one of Muso's posts to help make my point... - He "lied" about his game history + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote: Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller.
I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it.
Sorry if I'm bad :S - He "lied" about reading the game setup + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote: Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller.
I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it.
Sorry if I'm bad :S On November 01 2012 13:41 Muso wrote: I am a mason, I didn't know there was a miller too Are the lies because he's new and quite frankly, stupid? Or because his fake-claim was TERRIBLE and he's banking on the pity card to save him somehow? ##Vote: MusoAcro has provided an encrypted 'claim post' and I don't see the benefit to a 1-1 trade if Acro was scum. This situation makes way more sense if Acro is telling the truth. Technically, 2 mason pairs is possible, but quite frankly I think we're going to be lynching Muso regardless now, even if a "partner" claims. His filter is just too wrong for me to be willing to let him live.
Here is what I would suggest: Muso, if you are in fact a mason, write a last will for your partner to use to confirm themselves. Muso's Partner - Unless you think you can save him, do not claim until after the 1hr resolution period starts at the end of the night phase. There is no good reason to out yourself before that time (unless you can save him).
Could someone comment on that suggestion, and perhaps if they would even believe someone claiming to be Muso's mason-partner? I really don't think revealing the other halves is a good idea right now. On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 00:15 kushm4sta wrote: I don't want to lynch either muso or prpl.
Prpl was mislynched as town in his last several games. He looks very scummy as town. So keep that in mind. Your case on him is very bas. The only scummy thing is giving a bunch of town reads which isn't that scummy. So what if he thought there was 2 mason pairs. Not everyone knows the probability of that. Also I thought the same thing.
Muso, I think it would be very hard for scum to come up with that vt role name. Review the spoiler. Information is deliberately missing. I don't know how "hard" it would be for scum to come up with a VT name. + Show Spoiler +On November 02 2012 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 03:22 Mattchew wrote: Lol if muso has a town partner he should claim now to avoid a mislynch... Anything else would be brain dead logic And then I turn around and say SCUMBUDDY!! And then we argue, probably lynch muso anyways. Do you not see that as a potential outcome? I see that as the more likely outcome at this point. If a mason flips, is their partner revealed?Also, unanswered questions: Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote: Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death?
Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 03:29 Zealos wrote: I really hate this encryption thing, it just doesn't make sense for the point of the game imo. ...He creating "proof" that he is a mason. If he dies, his partner decrypts the message, becomes confirmed town. There are games that explicitly do not allow it, this one made no distinction. Do you think it makes Acro scummy? On November 02 2012 04:47 HiroPro wrote: Millers flip miller on death.
If a mason dies, their partner is not revealed.
Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 00:31 thrawn2112 wrote: kush i cant believe you're trying to make d1 cases based on the flavor claimed by two people... just absurd Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 01:15 wherebugsgo wrote: You may claim your role and character name, but I will be modkilling for flavor text (although the game should not be breakable with flavor, it's rule 11). Let this be your last and only warning. He's doing things that are apparently 'allowed' as far as mod rules go. That said, I don't think kush is being particularly helpful, but its not scummy to me. This is kush legitimately trying to contribute and reason out whether or not the lynch candidate is who he says he is (i.e. is Muso really VT). Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 00:52 kushm4sta wrote:On November 03 2012 00:31 thrawn2112 wrote: kush i cant believe you're trying to make d1 cases based on the flavor claimed by two people... just absurd It's not just based on 2 people claims. It's based on the lack of claim from ALL the vts, AND the claims of two people. Acro seems really upset by my theory. drazzak, acro, and thrawn have all shat on my theory now. Why don't you guys actually EXPLAIN why it's such a bad idea instead of just SAYING it's bad. Do you really believe that all VTs have non character role names except for one named Jessica Rabbit. I do not believe that is likely. He only ever claimed NOT Mason. Granted, green text, but that's inconclusive. However, the reason I think your theory is bad is that I think scum have fakeclaims. My question never got answered and I think it's clear that Hiro was replying to the posts I quoted.
Promethelax hasn't checked in yet, but even if it was still prplhz in the game I'd rather lynch Muso. I find his noob act highly incriminating. He knew what he was doing when he fakeclaimed and tried to weasel his way out by playing stupid at first. When that didn't work, he tries to pass it off as a gambit to lure scum NK fire. He keeps putting up more smoke and mirrors every time his last plan didn't work. I'm not comfortable leaving that kind of player around. I'm leaving my vote as it is. On November 03 2012 06:32 Hopeless1der wrote:Muso never came back when I questioned this, and I found this last post of his really scummy: Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 01:34 Muso wrote:It's 3am here and I doubt I'll be awake for the end of day. It doesn't look like Promethelax is coming, and unfortunately lynching him is the only viable option here. Some of you believe otherwise, and I can't stop you. I urge you to trust Acro though (at least for today). He makes sense. If the lynch on me does go through, I implicitly urge you to revisit these last 6 hrs and look at players who were opposed to shifting attention off of me. Hopeless1der is one such player. If in the future Promethelax rolls town, I highly suggest interrogating Hopeless1der. In fact this kind of resistance just strengthens the case against Promethelax. On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:Promethelax hasn't checked in yet, but even if it was still prplhz in the game I'd rather lynch Muso. I find his noob act highly incriminating. He knew what he was doing when he fakeclaimed and tried to weasel his way out by playing stupid at first. When that didn't work, he tries to pass it off as a gambit to lure scum NK fire. He keeps putting up more smoke and mirrors every time his last plan didn't work. I'm not comfortable leaving that kind of player around. I'm leaving my vote as it is.
I sincerely hope I get to revisit this post on Day 2, and if I don't please somebody else do it for me. Hopeless1der cannot be trusted. ##vote Promethelax If it was 3AM at time of post, its around 8AM now. He might be back before the deadline but I won't hold my breath. He's already said he probably wont make it. That's not scummy, thats needing sleep. The scummy part is where he says me continuing to push his lynch is scummy and that it makes the case on promethelax look stronger. This suggests we're both scum. However, if Prom flips town, we should interrogate me. So I'm scum no matter what, basically because I still want to lynch his lying ass.
Now compare that to his votes/pressure this game:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 05 2013 00:37 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 00:12 iamperfection wrote: wouldn't it be nice if we all just lynched cc he flips scum and we all praise me as the new best in the world.
That's all i really want. For justice then, ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake On January 05 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: tube On January 05 2013 04:16 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 04:09 marvellosity wrote:On January 05 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: tube tube is a vigi shot No, I don't have a townread on marv, but I don't want to lynch him either, so back I go ##Unvote: tube ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake On January 05 2013 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 04:20 wherebugsgo wrote: also lol @ hopeless actively lurking.
He said nothing for 3 hours and had no comments on the major goings-on but as soon as I make a case on him he shows up.
I thought you said we needed to stop spamming. And yes, I do that regardless of alignment. Could you expand a bit on me taking random lynching too seriously? @Marv: Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 04:17 marvellosity wrote:On January 05 2013 04:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 05 2013 04:09 marvellosity wrote:On January 05 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: tube tube is a vigi shot No, I don't have a townread on marv, but I don't want to lynch him either, so back I go ##Unvote: tube ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake how do you feel about BC, dear? Apologies if you've already answered this before. Right up until he voted Palmar, I wouldn't have looked twice. He seemed to have been keeping up with the thread and somewhat cared, especially his prodding at yamato for example + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 02:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 02:46 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 04 2013 02:26 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 04 2013 02:22 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 04 2013 02:15 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 04 2013 02:12 yamato77 wrote: [quote] Half-baked because he includes zero reasoning and zero other things besides names of people.
Pretty useless IMO. I think you're taking it a little too seriously. And talking about random names will just clutter up this thread even more. If those are his honest scum reads I think the guy is full of shit and totally worthless to town, as he has been basically the whole game so far. That's my point. A trolling chez is typically more useful then 90% of the players in a game. You may not like that answer or agree with it but it is straight up fact. I've never played with him before so I have no idea if this is the case or not. However, this logic is used to defend a lot of veteran players on Day 1, so I don't think it particularly useful to say at the moment. eh? You will find that logic should be shot and burned for all players who are not notoriously trollish regardless of alignment of vet players. IE chez or bill murray. Anyone else trying to pull off the "hes trolling day 1 its fine" argument is retarded. Day 1 people begin the trend of how they will play in a game typically. A day 1 troll is likely going to be a troll all game. The only difference is if they have random insight in their posts. So far only chez's rantings are even remotely interesting / relevant from the trolls. What has he said that has been worthwhile so far? Go read his filter. Im not your translator and hes being insanely direct for his normal insanity. He clearly has posted his reads and even called people out. Find out which ones and *gasp* you might realize his posts do actually contain content. I know who he thinks is suspicious but I have no idea why he thinks that or how he thinks what he's doing is helping town lynch those people. It looks like finger pointing masked by a roleplay facade. But fine, I'll give him time because I have reads that lead me elsewhere. You vouching for him is enough to make me reconsider my position at the moment. Ive never played a game with you to my knowledge so why is my vouching enough to dissuade you? but his vote against Palmar looks really forced and then he disappears. He's certainly scummier than you are right now, and no one is biting on CC ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler
Scum Hopeless is much more decisive and pushy. Town Hopeless, in my experience, is wishy-washy, non-committal, and sheepy.
I think this actually feels more like town Hopeless.
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Damnit, I got ninja'd so hard. Now bugs can't even discuss with me.
Anyways
##Vote Jackal58
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On January 06 2013 09:03 kushm4sta wrote: I want to know why you felt the need to claim your shot keirathi. it doesn't make sense to me.
Why wouldn't I claim my shot? I am a one-shot Vig, and I had no reason to hide the fact that I was the one that killed tube.
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On January 06 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote: By the way, I'm way behind, but if keirathi claimed the shot on tube he's very likely town. Lets ignore the shot on me, and you give an opinion on me other than that?
I replaced in for Adam well before the end of the day yesterday (I was pushing AGAINST the marv lynch that you were pushing so hard for). And then during the night you said you wanted Adam to be our lynch for today.
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On January 06 2013 09:42 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote: By the way, I'm way behind, but if keirathi claimed the shot on tube he's very likely town. Lets ignore the shot on me, and you give an opinion on me other than that? I replaced in for Adam well before the end of the day yesterday (I was pushing AGAINST the marv lynch that you were pushing so hard for). And then during the night you said you wanted Adam to be our lynch for today. EBWOP: I mean, 'Lets ignore my shot on Tube'
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On January 06 2013 09:46 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 09:42 Keirathi wrote:On January 06 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote: By the way, I'm way behind, but if keirathi claimed the shot on tube he's very likely town. Lets ignore the shot on me, and you give an opinion on me other than that? I replaced in for Adam well before the end of the day yesterday (I was pushing AGAINST the marv lynch that you were pushing so hard for). And then during the night you said you wanted Adam to be our lynch for today. I forgot you replaced, someone correctly pointed that out. I don't quite associate your posts with Adam's as of now as I haven't read it through. Adam looked very bad with his one shitty mud-slinging multi-target post. I haven' read your contributions at all though. I don't see any reason to doubt your claim to the shot and it's exactly what Vigilantes are meant to be doing, it's a good shot. So I don't intend to use my time to worry too much about your alignment, which is nice. Yes, but I very much need to worry about yours. You were very, very wrong about marv and very stubborn that you were right. I can't help but be reminded of Rock Band.
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On January 06 2013 15:01 supersoft wrote: yo! my sleep scedule is crazy. wtf waking up at 6 am at a sunday :D
@VE: you need to man up. some nobody calls you scum or bad or whatever and you almost do the "marvelosity"?
pretending Jackal and MZ are dead, i'd probably look into foolish, clarity, hopeless, vivax and Viscera (now don't get a heart attack because of that dude!) Some nobody?
Fuck you buddy. Not my fault you disappeared for the last year or whatever and don't know who I am. I have 1 less game played than you, and *gasp* 2 less wins (but a draw due to host error that should have been a win).
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On January 06 2013 15:54 yamato77 wrote: Hey Keir
It's okay I have had a scum read on VE too
Fuck those vets So VE is town then?
Thanks!
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EBWOP:
Sorry, I might be a bit drunk. But I'm just joking around, don't take me seriously. <3
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On January 06 2013 15:56 yamato77 wrote: I only let Marv make that joke because he and I had a conversation about it post game in YANMM
I'm not wrong EVERY time. I made the remark about it in YANMM obs QT well before you died
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On January 12 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 00:58 supersoft wrote: CC, froggynoddy, toadesstern, marv all played innacceptabel. for the future we need a much harder punishment for these kind of plays.
i guess VE rage outburst shouldnt be punished further... the modkill is enough punishment. he played the game and wanted to win. he had one inapropriate moment. Calling for modkills of other players (VE) in-thread isn't acceptable either, dear. Maybe not, but I don't particularly think its banworthy, either.
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On January 12 2013 01:07 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 00:58 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 12 2013 00:52 syllogism wrote: No, you can only replace out if you have a legitimate reason and "losing interest" while posting in another game definitely isn't one. When you join a game you commit to finishing it. The fact you refuse to understand just highlights the fact you aren't going to change your attitude and should be banned. Why are you not advertising an equally strong punishment for marv and ve? If marv gets a 1-game, I don't see where CC warrants a stronger punishment. Marv and VE are players with a history of contributing in every game and even in this game they were highly active. I don't know what VE even did other than complained a bit. Marv could definitely get away with a warning as well as he was modkilled before it was even clear whether he truly quit or was just venting. The purpose of the ban list isn't to punish players per se, but to discourage the kind of rule breaking/conduct that ruins games from mafia (the game) point of view. Non-contributing, rule breaking players who show no interest in improving their conduct should be kept out of games, not players who are highly active unless they are highly disruptive. Ragequitting is still quitting, which makes the game less fun for the other players. Whether or not you were active before you quit is irrelevant, IMO.
Don't get me wrong, I have no ill feelings towards marv. He's one of my favorite people around TL. I can imagine I would have been super frustrated too.
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On January 12 2013 01:53 marvellosity wrote:I became incredibly suspicious of Djo right around where I ragequit. Witness the following posts: Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:38 Djodref wrote:
Do you have any breadcrumb by the way ? Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 09:14 Djodref wrote:
@ Keir
Did you cacth up with the whole thread now ? What do you make of this day ? Do you think mafia was on BC's lynch ?
Also I would like to know if the fact that we have already 2 cops dead change anything about your read on marv. Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 10:00 Djodref wrote:On January 05 2013 09:52 marvellosity wrote: Kei, why don't you stop talking about Toad, and start talking about more interesting people like Meapak or froggy. @ marvWho do you think mafia was voting at the end of day 1 ? All these questions/points are useless, and serve no direction. He's asking all the wrong questions. The breadcrumbs one is irrelevant, I think. Djo is always super worried about breadcrumbs no matter what his alignment is.
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It's pretty easy to play well as scum when townies keep pushing themselves
I agree that Vivax did play well though. He was just caught in YANMM partly because of his associations with other scum. No scum flipped aside from the lurking Jackal to a cop check, and the lynches were all (almost?) lead by townies onto other townies.
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On January 12 2013 07:09 Vivax wrote:I have the skype logs, going to upload them somewhere (like 0.1 MB) if my team-mates agrees. Some of us use their RL names in there. I could delete them if needed. Debears, even if your reads were right, you kind of looked like you resigned, you were calling me scum purely based on the things I posted against you while ignoring my scumslip, for example. Doesn't surprise me you kind of stopped caring since most of town was quite angry during the game. The day-vigs and modkills were really demoralizing, but you still tried harder than most of town, and that was hard in this environment. I think yamato focuses a little too much on the superficial and then gets stuck on his reads to the point that he starts arguing with the people he tunnels, other than that he looked kinda scummy in the end when he stopped living up to his rather high activity standard. He should just remember that there's more than just one or two scum. VE and Prom gave me some laughs. Prom with his "Make-up-sex"-post, VE with quite a few of his posts, put it back in your pants =D . VE can really claim to have a unique way of posting in this game. The BC lynch was just stupid, but it does look like a curse that has a long history: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103738¤tpage=7#130 One shouldn't lynch experienced players that early, based on so much gut. You could have given him more time to prove himself to be town, didn't look like he had put too much time into the game until that point. As for the marv bandwagon, it had quite the chance of losing steam. Weird shit happens shortly before deadline, just look at the BC and Toad lynch. So yeah, marv should work on his karma ^^ , but his reads in the obs qt were really sharp. Clarity has this tendency to disregard newbies and buddy up with vets. While that might help you in your career I don't know if it's the right thing for this game. It makes you post funny reactions though. You also don't like to take the lead with big cases and such, you prefer staying laid back, asking questions and expressing your opinion when needed. It's not bad, just an assessment of your town style . Toad just failed to establish himself as town with so many posts. He knows that he posts a lot by himself, so he should work on economizing on that, unless he likes to keep that meta for playing scum. His vote on himself in the end was completely unnecessary, he could have avoided the lynch, but I think someone still switched to him last minute. Congratz to hopeless for the medic save, but you kinda played in a scummy way, maybe you felt insecure cause of your role. So much for post-game from my side. I had lots of fun this game! Sorry for town though, you had a hard time . Hopeless was pretty damn obviously town.
As was marv, although I questioned it a bit after 2 other cops flipped. But everything about his play read as town marv. :o
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On January 12 2013 07:26 Vivax wrote: Hopeless improved towards the end when he started defending himself. Other than that (before) he looked like he wanted to stay in the background. But hindsight impressions are always strong. I meant I figured out he was town night 1. I had considered shooting him, mostly sheeping bugs case. But when I went back and looked through his filter and compared it to his filter of his previous games, it was much much more similar to his townie mindset than his scum one.
Edit: Also, I was in the game for not much more than 24 hours. That's probably why you thought I didn't "stick out" or whatever.
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On January 12 2013 10:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I still dont know why people can't easily read your posts chez Easy to say with 4 years experience playing mafia with him
Although I don't find his posts particularly hard to interpret, just more annoying to do so than other players who don't speak in riddles.
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On January 13 2013 04:48 Lazermonkey wrote: Yamato, I think you played quite well. Almost noone thought you were scum which is very postive.
I'd like some feedback on my own play as well. My own reflection is that I have similar problems as yamato. I'm quite good at looking townie but bad at finding scum. I did have decent reads on D1, at least town reads but not once did I really push a scum for his lynch IIRC. When I was considering who to vig, I was thinking about people I hadn't noticed a whole lot and remembered you. Went back and compared your filter to your scum filter in Paranoia and was very convinced that you were town.
But I wasn't alive very long in the game and didn't pay much attention to you otherwise.
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