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On December 26 2012 02:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: How long was it? I'm interested now. Around 365 pages I guess ^^ With 24 players  | ||
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On December 29 2012 18:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: game is full, gogogo Aren't we missing one player ? | ||
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I'm just back to South Korea from France. I've eaten a lot of cheese and drunk a lot of wine, and now I have to get back to work in the cold korean winter >.< Just some quick thoughts... I'm against a policy lynch on WBG. He had decent reads as town in the Hero Mafia. I'm against a policy lynch on grush. I don't think he's actually that hard to read (see Hero Mafia). And he can contribute somehow as town. I'm against a policy lynch on kush. Kush is easy to read, I'll explain the trick later. I don't know Chezinu at all, but yeah, he is entertaining. I'm against a random lynch for today. Because in this game, we have 20% chances to hit mafia with a random lynch, and that's less than the global average. I'm supporting the "Lynch a Lurker" policy ! | ||
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On January 03 2013 17:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Djodref good to see you. Thoughts on Tunkeg the Hated? Hello VE ! Tunkeg, if he is town, looks pissed off like he was mislynched in Hero Mini Mafia 5 minutes ago. And it would fit so far the idea I have from town Tunkeg with all his drama ^^ Or he is putting up an act in order to avoid contributing, of course this is the case where he is scum. I'm leaning town right now because I would understand a little where he comes from (even if being a drama queen doesn't really help him) and also I'm a bit wary of a Tunkeg lynch because I mislynched him last time... And I was pretty sure he was scum at that time. I'm not down for lynching Tunkeg right now. Really, I'd rather lynch in the people who have not contributed so far. | ||
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On January 03 2013 17:49 thrawn2112 wrote: hi smiley djo  so you're against everything except a lurker vote? is there anyone you do want to lynch? Yeah, I'd rather lynch a lurker so far | ||
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I'm back but I have to catch up with the thread, sorry for being AWOL but I've been sent on a mission yesterday. I'm also still jet-lagged and a little sleep deprived but I'm feeling awake now ! | ||
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Him pushing Palmar was legit, from a town point of view, because Palmar started to look town quite late. Also I think it's not fair to judge him in comparison with his performance in Rockband Mini Mafia. Also I don't disagree with much he has been saying and him being suspicious of Clarity at some point is not alignment indicative, because Clarity is not playing his usual town game (even if I'm buying his excuse as being sick for the moment). I don't think the chances for him to be mafia are high enough to justify a lynch on him, and it would be a shame to mislynch him if he is town. So I'm going to support the counter-bandwagon, and on top of that I think that BC lynch is a good lynch in itself + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 02:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I dont have a ton of time right now and given that most of it was spent catching up on the thread all I can say is what the fuck? Palmar is off the hook given how rampant his bullshit was all day because he posted some logs and a list of reads that all looks seems hastily put together and shit. He then makes his only case of the game against a player his own notes say specifically he would like to hold off on pursuing then suddenly his outlook changes while marv does the same shit palmar has been doing except Marv was more useful through the entire day. People need to realize that Palmar only contributed because he was harassed into doing so and has done the bare minimum since. Seriously people Marv may not have scum hunted but he was actively harassing people or pushing people to generate discussion. ##vote palmar I honestly dont get you people and the next person to suggest lynching me on inactivity should go back and read the first thing I said in this game after signing up I really don't like this post from BC, as in 'I don't like this post because it serves mafia interest'. First of all, Palmar is not going to get lynched today. Moreover, Palmar stopped trolling and was actually working on this game while masoning with Iamp. Also him pushing his marv's lynch like this makes him town in my eyes, and I think that BC should be able to see this as well. Secondly, regardless of marv alignment, I see scum motivation for this post. Defending marv and discrediting Palmar if marv is scum is good, but doing it when both of them are town is even better, because you are setting things up for lynching Palmar after marv. His post also allows him to avoid contributing by spending time in a useless tunnel. ##Vote BC | ||
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Working and sleeping mostly. Also I had to get back to my korean life ^^ Things at my job went crazy when I was in holidays in France, and Koreans don't take work lightly. Christmas and New Year are not real holidays over there so I had to get back all thing I was late on when I was not here while being jet-lagged. I went directly to sleep when I came back from work last night. I have my week-end right now though Do you have any breadcrumb by the way ? | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:39 Toadesstern wrote: it's d1... on top of that he's a SLOWcop... I doubt he has breadcrumbs anywhere this early :p I would have done it. I like to breadcrumb my roles in French in my posts quite early on ^^ | ||
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By the way, grush, do you also live in South Korea ? | ||
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On January 05 2013 09:07 Keirathi wrote: Yo Palmar, since you are around: Mind updating your read on Adam/me? You had Adam down in the spreadsheet as probably scum. Then I came in and hard defended your push against marv. Do you think that I am scum? @ Keir Did you cacth up with the whole thread now ? What do you make of this day ? Do you think mafia was on BC's lynch ? Also I would like to know if the fact that we have already 2 cops dead change anything about your read on marv. | ||
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What do you make out of kush this game ? Especially from a meta point of view... | ||
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On January 05 2013 09:52 marvellosity wrote: Kei, why don't you stop talking about Toad, and start talking about more interesting people like Meapak or froggy. @ marv Who do you think mafia was voting at the end of day 1 ? | ||
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On January 05 2013 10:01 marvellosity wrote: 4-2, 2-4, 3-2-1, 3-3. Something like that. So you mean they were mainly voting BC and you, even if you are both supposed to be town ? | ||
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On January 05 2013 10:10 marvellosity wrote: where else would you expect scum to be voting, dear? Well, I agree with Keir on this one, if you are scum, they vote BC, if you are town, they are more spread out... What do you think of Vivax, WBG and Jackal votes ? | ||
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On January 05 2013 08:14 HiroPro wrote: That's actually how I based a lot of my reads -_- @ Hiro Could you expand on this one please ? Do you mean that mafia was pushing Tunkeg/Prom lynch, assuming he is town ? I would like to know how you had Tunkeg as town ? | ||
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On January 05 2013 22:34 Lazermonkey wrote: In my personal experience, and I am sure you also feel this way, scum is more inclined to push townies than scum. This is not true. I don't think it's true for marv because he has to deliver, regardless of his alignment, and it's definitively not true for kush. I also like to bus by the way | ||
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On January 05 2013 22:39 Clarity_nl wrote: Marv you shouldn't ragequit replacement. As scum it would be distasteful to even mention that and I think you know that, and as town it's just not cool and also puts an unfair "mod-confirmed townie" in the game. @ Clarity How a replacement would be "mod-confirmed townie" if marv is town ? | ||
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On January 05 2013 22:40 Lazermonkey wrote: If this is true than I will reconsider. But the question is: is it true? I have to look it up for marv. I've heard somewhere sometime that he had been bussing almost his whole scumteam in one game. But it's definitively true for kush, and it's also true for me. That's why I really don't think kush is scum in this game by the ay. | ||
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On January 05 2013 22:42 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah, if marv asks for a replacement IN THREAD and ragequits, and then gets replaced instead of modkilled and flipped scum I would call that person town. And that really sucks and it shouldn't happen. Ok, I get you now. I don't think the host is going to allow anything then, you can rest at peace. | ||
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On January 05 2013 22:46 thrawn2112 wrote: how does this make sense? you don't think kush is scum because he's not bussing this game? how would you know if he's bussing o.0 Because he would post better cases. Because he would know what to look for. As scum, he would also defend townies. Because this guy loves being right above all. That's the real meta read on scum kush. | ||
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On January 05 2013 22:59 thrawn2112 wrote: kush is this your new scum meta? could you possibly be more anti-town? i'm not sensing the "fake rage" that comes along with scum kush but it seems like you are being intentionally uncooperative/unreadable you've done almost 0 independent scumhunting this game, the closest to scumhunting you've reached is your game long tunnel on marv. and most of that wasn't any type of scumhunting, it was either mindless sheeping or calling him scum over and over @ thrawn I don't think it's kush new scum meta. I don't see this guy resisting the urge of being right and defending BC lynch. I really don't think kush is scum. | ||
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On January 05 2013 23:10 Vivax wrote: You're nuts Djo, I would totally lynch Kush. He's scummy, lurky, useless and aggressive. The epitome of anti-town play. That's kush's play. I have just played a game with him, we were both in the scumteam, and you should know that this guy uses the extra-information he has all the time. He defends townie and bus people with the juicy part of their filters. Because he loves being right. Also I cannot prevent himself from doing that. He is the worst scum partner you can ever have. So, even if you think he is scum, you should let him live | ||
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I don't think they are all scum though. I'll see how they react to the pressure. What I really like in Clarity's case against Sentinel is how Sentinel is promising to read the thread, without delivering. On January 05 2013 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: As hard as I try, I have no idea what the hell we're talking about anymore. Ima go read Adam's filter because for some reason he has been flying under my radar. Then I will have to go back to class because astronomy is my only free period For example, this was totally unnecessary. And reading Adam's filter takes like less than 5 minutes, so he could have given us his insight instead of saying this. One other thing I didn't like is this post On January 05 2013 20:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Agreed. I'm sitting the night out. I don't think Sentinel should feel any fear of being killed tonight. It's again another indirect way to hint that he is town, when he doesn't really need to. | ||
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On January 05 2013 23:42 thrawn2112 wrote: why hopeless and mz? i don't see anything about them in your filter True enough, I'm just sheeping Marv's case on MZ and WBG's case on Hopeless ^^ I like Marv's case better though, but I'm a little wary. I'm going to be more active starting now so hopefully I can catch MZ and Hopeless when they are going to be present in the thread. | ||
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On January 05 2013 23:51 yamato77 wrote: Fuck you Marv for quitting. I was going to write a big ass case about why you were a good lynch day 1 and why people should look at you again day 2 but now you've ruined that. I can't speak for everyone in this game, but I believe my win con states that I actually have to kill mafia. To do that I have to be able to find them but right now it is a difficult task discerning stupid from scum, sheep from wolf. Some of you players ought to rethink your strategy this game. I don't think marv is going to get allowed to quit. You should calm down and write your case. Who else do you have as scum ? | ||
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On January 06 2013 00:01 Lazermonkey wrote: I think its quite obvious that he is joking in the post. And that is what I mean with WIFOM in your case. Either he is serious in which case you are right or he is joking. So it comes down to WIFOM. For example did both grush and VE claim town the first page, would you call them scum for that? Also, the fact that he lied(didn't check hero, or at least didn't say so + never called you scum) is bad play regardless of whether he is scum or town so I don't think it's a very good tell at all. @ LazerMonkey It's bad play, and maybe he is going to check hero or not at the end, but it takes more time or more effort to actually do things as scum in my view. Also the fact that he implied that he was town and going to scumhunt without delivering more than only one time makes him suspicious. | ||
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On January 06 2013 04:35 HiroPro wrote: Sure. His attitude and tone in regards to "vets" and general play overall were exactly what I expected from his town play after the last game he was in. The reads post that he made seemed genuine and resembled how he has posted in the past. Tunkeg is a very easy target to attack as mafia (I've done it myself), and none of the people who said that he was suspicious ever presented any good reasons for why he was mafia. The only person who ever tried to make anything resembling a case was debears, and his post was complete nonsense. Ok, let's assume that Tunkeg is town for a moment. Isn't it as easy for mafia to attack Tunkeg than it is for town. I didn't know him when I played in your game and I was pretty sure he was mafia. It's true that I had at least a case against him while lynching him, but it was not that good, and just the way he reacted to suspicion made him more scum in my eyes. But that was last game. So I don't think it is a good idea to base your reads on how people handle Tunkeg, at least not for the players not knowing him. Also I don't think Tunkeg style to be hard to emulate as scum, even if I agree that Tunkeg/Prom are more likely to be town. I just hope that you are not going to limit yourself on the players who had painted Tunkeg in red  | ||
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Do you have any breadcrumbs ? | ||
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On January 06 2013 08:49 Toadesstern wrote: why's everyone asking for breadcrumbs on d1 for cops lol Again, you don't breadcrumb your role, you breadcrumb your checks as cop so that people figure that out once you're dead, There's no reason to breadcrumb your role, it's actually bad because mafia might figure it out... Even if he did breadcrumb that proves nothing or do you honestly think Mafia-WBG would be not smart enough to prepare a breadcrumb ahead of time? I was cop in my first game and I did breadcrumb my role. It's just my own experience. I have also hinted very obsviously that I was blue in that game ^^ | ||
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On January 06 2013 08:52 iamperfection wrote: yeah i just checked jackals filter which took about 15 seconds he can die. Kind of wish you waited a little to do this bugs but whatever. I second this post. ##Vote jackal | ||
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I don't see mafia framing anyone with 3 cops (now 4) already in the cemetery... I don't understand why mafia chose the 1 for 1 solution. I also believe iamp when he says being protected and shoot, he was confirmed town after all. | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:20 iamperfection wrote: so in the interest of not wasting a cycle i say we proceed as if we are going to lynch someone other than jackal for argument sakes in fact you can even vote here and not in the thread just to show that you mean serious business. IF jackal was not allowed to be lynched today who would you want to lynch and why. I say everyone agrees to this and if you dont we can use it against you later in a court of law. You have no right to remain silent in my courtroom My current top scum read remain to be CC who has continued to be useless continues to throw shit and not push it. IF i could i would lynch him. ## Vote Mr. CC What say you everyone else? I think MZ is a better lynch. I liked Sentinel reaction to pressure, but not at all MZ reaction so far. ##Vote MZ | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:28 grush57 wrote: WTF LYNCH JACKAL I'm not going to vote my vote in the voting thread ^^ That's all, I'm voting for tomorrow lynch | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:30 Toadesstern wrote: Jackal was already confirmed mafia before, or at least pretty much. Everyone knew it's either Bugs or Jackal mafia the moment Bugs claimed. There's no reason to vote Bugs instead of Jackal so might as well shoot the confirmed townie and make Jackal a 99% confirmed mafia instead of just being 98% confirmed. The problem with iamP is that I agree with you, he was pretty much confirmed town and I still think he's town. That however leaves the question why mafia didn't opt to sac that KP for a dayvig as well. But a town-vig shooting iamP makes 0 sense... why would a townie shoot him and on top of that not even claim prior to deadline. So I guess it was mafia for some reason I don't understand yet? Maybe mafia was afraid of being shot by vigs. The only downside I see for day vigs is that mafia players can be shot by town vigs before shooting themselves. | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:34 Toadesstern wrote: 1) as already mentioned twice there's a nother downside: Mafia KP is untrackable, Day-vigs are kind of trackable due to rolecops. It's something that can not be faked or avoided unlike alignmentcops (framer / GF). 2) Dayvigs shoot on d2. Mafia KP was sacced on n1. So the n1 shots would have been earlier than the dayvigs. If they were afraid of dying they would not have sacced but shot on n1. 1)Yes, I agree with that. 2)Maybe Jackal was afraid of being shot. He was pretty lurky and useless after all. Maybe the other mafia members were also afraid to be shot so they decided to shoot iamp on N1. It's the only reasonable thing I'm thinking right now. But maybe I'm missing something. | ||
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On January 06 2013 14:32 Clarity_nl wrote: Can we change the rules to "pretend Jackal AND MZ are already dead, who do you wanna lynch"? Foolishness | ||
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On January 06 2013 15:56 yamato77 wrote: I only let Marv make that joke because he and I had a conversation about it post game in YANMM I'm not wrong EVERY time. It reminds me that kush is definitively town for wanting to lynch marv | ||
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On January 06 2013 23:50 Promethelax wrote: wat? No. Chezinu, I chose you! We can be the very best that no one ever was. Okay, I'm going to bed. I've not finished reading the thread but I've made a decent dent. I'll talk to you all tomorrow. Good luck town! @ Prox Explain me how iamp was not confirmed town at the end of D1. And even more right now that he has claimed to be shot. 1)He really looks like town iamp 2)He claimed to have masoned Palmar on D1, which strongly indicates a town iamp, regardless of Palmar's alignment 3)The only solution left is Palmar and iamp scum together. But this is way too far fetched. Keep it simple, iamp is one-shot mason, as he claimed. | ||
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On January 07 2013 04:52 iamperfection wrote: although the point is why not just day vig if thats the case unless there is some sort of restriction that we are not aware of. I already told Toad about this, but the little downside of dayvigs for the mafia is that they could get shot before getting their shot. For example, I don't think that Jackal is a dayvig today, because he was potentially a town vig target. I assume it was the same for other mafia members. | ||
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I understand your concerns, but it goes all down to a time-constraint problem from my side ^^ 1)My activity is bigger in all my other games, regardless of my alignment. I was scum in Witchcraft, Mario Mini and Looney Mini and I've been pretty active as scum in these games. Here I was in the plane coming back to Korea when the game started, and I had a lot of work to do because they didn't wait for me when I was on vacation back in France. I was also jet-lagged and super tired. Like, it's 5am here, and I'm fucking awake... And I'm not usually very active on week-ends ") 2)Yeah, you cannot read Also I didn't have so much time to take a decision at that time3)I didn't have time to push him, I was reading the thread again to see if I didn't miss anything important. I woke up in the middle of the night to follow the game, I remind you 4)Again, lack of time from my part | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:28 iamperfection wrote: seems legit plus he used two smiley's probably would have put more in if he was scum. There were 3 smileys in this post | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:30 debears wrote: Yeah, but it is filled with worthless stuff, such as this: I found this one extremely odd since he had gone through such lengths to declare kush as town based on meta all d1. Why does he need keir's input if he is an expert on it? see? and then posts like this This really doesn't look like town Djo to me I was asking Keir his view on Kush because Keir replaced Adam, which I was suspicious of, given his low participation. Also Keir is supposed to have a good use of meta. | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:29 thrawn2112 wrote: @debears I agree about djo djo does lack of time prevent you from forming scumreads? At that time, yes... I could first catch up with the thread when all the talk was about policy lynch, and the second time around the end of D1. | ||
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Why do you claim now ? Also why you don't want to claim everything ? | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:38 debears wrote: And considering you aren't gettin lynched over Jackal today, this would be a dumb as shit move by you MZ if you are a full game mason Also you are forgetting the medic that should have saved iamp ^^ | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:43 thrawn2112 wrote: kush you still lurking?how is your internet weed? what are your scumreads now that marv is gone? @ thrawn All your case can be addressed because of lack of time from my part. You know well my scum meta because you were town in both Looney Game and Witchcraft. I also hope that you have followed Mario Mini. I'm active as both alignment. But let me address your points, just give me some time, ok ? | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:46 kushm4sta wrote: Hi! Expect full reads from me later tonight. Internet weed is amazing! do you know you can buy any drug off the internet? I feel like this whole mafia game should know that. DJODREF explain your comment about iamp and the medic.? Kush, I've already explained why I think that iamp is confirmed town. iamp claimed to be shot and is still alive. Go have a look at the role list for town in the OP and tell me how that could be possible. Please also tell me what do you make of MZ claim after that ^^ | ||
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On January 07 2013 05:50 thrawn2112 wrote: the issue isn;t really your post count, it's that you've got low post count + no scuhunting Because I didn't have the time to get involved in this game yet. I should be able to have a better activity level and start scumhunting for real this week. If you don't believe my commitment, please consider that it's fucking 6am in South Korea right now and that I'm playing before going to work on my Monday morning. Give me some slack, seriously. | ||
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On January 07 2013 06:05 Foolishness wrote: Does anyone remember that Promethelax is in this game? speaking of the devil Are you not supposed to be one of the best town players on this forum ? Where were you ? | ||
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Are you still around ? I think I have an explanation why mafia tried to shoot you at night ! Look at this 1 KP -> one dayvig shooting WBG 1 KP -> one dayvig shooting Keir 0.5 KP -> MZ is mason remaining 0.5 KP rounded to 1 KP -> shoot iamp at night ! The remaining KP gets rounded, that's what we were missing ! | ||
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Which is going to be an introduction to my following case. I think that Hiro is scum. Just to give you the heads-up, I was looking for someone blending in, because I think that mafia didn't do anything special on day 1 when the lynch was going to be beween marv and BC. | ||
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On January 07 2013 06:15 thrawn2112 wrote: djo that's not scumhunting... your current scumread is mz correct? what do you make of his claim? and do you have an alternate scumread with reasons behind it, not just a lurker lynch you are ok with? I'm going to come up with it. I think Hiro and MZ are scum with Jackal. The rounded-up thing makes so much sense, that's why iamp was shot at night and not during the day. MZ was under a lot of pressure, so mafia decided to make a mason out of him and that we don't see it because of KP usage. | ||
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Hiro blending in like a boss Before you read my case, I recommend you to check Hiro's filter. It's not that long so you can make an idea of him for yourself before reading this thread. I also recommend you to read Hiro's filer in the Looney Lynching Mini to give you an idea of his scumplay. My point here is that I don't think that mafia did anything on D1. I'm not sure about Palmar, because he looked very convinced that marv was scum, so I have still him as town, but I'm waiting to see if he can deliver more and simply get killed. But if Palmar is town, mafia had absolutely nothing to do during D1 because the lynch was town/town lynch. So, let's have a look at Hiro. This guy is just blending in. He is also showing extra knowledge about what the mafia is going to do. So, Hiro is making comments here and there, asking some questions, but not really strongly pushing anyone, at the exception of froggy, who he dropped at som point. He is taking the backseat. This is quite similar to his play in the Looney Lynching. I find the reason why he dropped froggy very strange. The timing also. On January 05 2013 02:40 HiroPro wrote: froggynoddy looks more town to me now that he's stopped being infatuated with Tunkeg. Deciding between BC, Toad, and marv right now. He stopped his tunnel when marv and BC start to get in the spotlight. Also he attacks marv for claiming, while keeping his vote on BC. Good job at discrediting one town while lynching the other. On January 05 2013 06:25 HiroPro wrote: w/e, your claim doesn't mean anything. I don't understand why you would claim. What I find very suspicious also in Hiro's posts is the following comments. If I'm right about MZ being a scum mason, I think that this shows that Hiro has extra knowledge about how the KP works. Because the rounded-up part in he OP is different ! This is what the OP says. Mafia KP is # of Mafia /2 rounded up. There are 6 members of Mafia, starting KP is equal to 3. And look at that post of Hiro just one minute after the deadline. On January 06 2013 07:01 HiroPro wrote: Day vigi shots will be happening soon i expect. Hiro knew day vigs were going to happen. Don't get WIFOMED by that post ^^ I think that Hiro is scum, along with MZ and Jackal. | ||
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@ iamp So what to you think about this ? MZ is scum mason, hoping that the KP usage for the masonry gets unnoticed because of this trick. That's why you got shot at night and not by a dayvig ! | ||
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Regarding my 'scumslip', I know that kush isn't bussing because he changed his mind about Cheesecake at some point (or some other player, I don't remember exactly). Also he didn't give any reason for why marv was scum, even a small quote or anything like that. Even if at the time we didn't know marv's alignment, I know that kush uses his extra-knowledge as scum. He wouldn't drop a read because he would be right about CC from the beginning. He would give a small indication why marv would have been scum as well. Just like in WitchCraft when he was nit-picking my post to show the juicy part to you. | ||
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On January 07 2013 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote: What? KP is still 3 with 5 scum...meaning they can dayvig twice, buy a .5 and NK the same way (we're assuming) they did last night. Being down one means nothing in terms of what they can do...it's not until they're down two that they're impeded in any way. @ VE What do you think of my case against Hiro ? | ||
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On January 07 2013 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Djo's Hiro Case Honestly, there's not much there. First of all, the whole "KP are rounded up" thing is IN the OP. I don't understand what extra information you're saying Hiro has to have to make that correction, but the KP formula is in the OP so that whole point doesn't make sense to me. The froggy thing is also strange, but mostly because I had a similar thought process. At the time, I was about sure Tunkeg was town based on the vehemence of his posting and general unpleasantness...angry townies lynch people, so if Tunkeg were scum I'd think he'd be more afraid of posting like a jerkwad. Anyone tunneling Tunkeg D1 was pretty suspicious to me for this reason...so it's not unreasonable to me that Hiro saying that someone coming out of a Tunkeg tunnel gets townpoints. The point about him discrediting one townie while lynching another is a good point though. This and him blending in are the points I agree with in your case. The thing about the KP being rounded-up is that the OP mentions only the formula for the total KP scum is having at his disposition. What we didn't know is that the remaining KP was also rounded-up. And Hiro was knowing this ! Look the nested quote, he was saying that marvellosity claim was not a problem for scum because they could RB him and still have 3 KP, which shows that he knows how to use mafia KP ! | ||
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What you were saying is that they could use it for one role, and still get the 3 KP because the remaining part gets round-up. And I think that only mafia has this information. | ||
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On January 07 2013 07:45 thrawn2112 wrote: debears you still on? have anything to say about my djo case? specifically the scumslip part It's not a scumslip. I've already addressed it. Do you have any problems with how I've addressed it ? | ||
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Well, it looks like Toad had forgot he has asked this question because he didn't mention this when we were discussing why iamp had been shot at night and not by a day vig. Why did you not make any comment on our discussion at that point ? | ||
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First of all, I'm not saying thet CC is town or scum here. If kush knew CC's alignment, kush wouldn't have backed up. My point is that scum kush knows everybody alignment, and plays in consequence. At that time, if he knew that CC was town or scum, he would have defended him from the beginning or bus him from the beginning and wouldn't have changed his mind. | ||
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On January 07 2013 09:40 debears wrote: You are basing a freaking meta town read on his reaction to one person? Fuuu I was answering thrawn about a 'scumslip' I had apparently made. And yes, I think I understand kush scum meta enough to derive a slight town read on him from something like that. But the main point is that scum kush would have never attacked town marv, even if it was not not subject here. After Witchcraft Mini where we were playing scum together, I understood how kush is playing scum. You can ask him if I'm right or not about this Also I don't understand why you still want to lynch me. My excuses for not being active until now are legit. And you know I'm active as scum. | ||
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On January 08 2013 05:40 debears wrote: Vivax might be scum based on some things in his case guys. Gotta make it all nice and neat for you all @ debears I can't wait for it ^^ Also, what did you think about my case on Hiro ? @ Hiro Are you still here ? Could you explain your scumread on Toad a little bit more ? | ||
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What do you think of Hiro after my case and his list of reads plus him heading out for 48 hours ? | ||
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On January 08 2013 06:27 debears wrote: Djo The strongest part of your Hiro case is the fact that he hasn't contributed. The rest is eh and can be done by town or mafia However, his recent list of reads is intriguing @ debears Why did you sheep Palmar's case on marv over your case on Tunkeg D1 ? What do you think of Prom right now ? | ||
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On January 08 2013 06:36 debears wrote: I was shut down hard by multiple vets including marv and WBG. Marv's reaction to my case on Tunkeg was not what I expected of town Marv either. Palmar's thoughts reflected those of my own Prom is more active than Tun, but he hasn't done much. I'd rather keep him alive for now and see what he does So, you somehow trusted marv's judgement on Tunkeg, while his reaction was not supposed to be town marv's reaction. What was your read on wbg at that time and why ? What did they say exactly that made you 'shut down our case' ? | ||
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If you are around, I would like to know what you think of debears | ||
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On January 08 2013 06:46 Djodref wrote: So, you somehow trusted marv's judgement on Tunkeg, while his reaction was not supposed to be town marv's reaction. What was your read on wbg at that time and why ? What did they say exactly that made you 'shut down our case' ? @ debears In addition to the following questions, could you tell me what you think about thrawn ? What do you think about the fact that he posted a case against me directly after you started to cast suspicion upon me ? | ||
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On January 08 2013 07:46 debears wrote: He immediately agreed the case was good. did not point out any flaws. Now, he's like "oh, parts were bad but it's still a good case." that is not town mindset. It shows he was not willing to even look up the quality of the case. Now that I've pointed out how shitty the case is, he says it has bad parts with it being good, despite the lengthy write up i made on it. Laser is scum @ debears How about you answer my questions instead of calling everyone scum ? On January 08 2013 07:14 Djodref wrote: So, you somehow trusted marv's judgement on Tunkeg, while his reaction was not supposed to be town marv's reaction. What was your read on wbg at that time and why ? What did they say exactly that made you 'shut down our case' ? @ debears In addition to the following questions, could you tell me what you think about thrawn ? What do you think about the fact that he posted a case against me directly after you started to cast suspicion upon me ? | ||
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On January 08 2013 08:20 debears wrote: Scum marv busses all the time, or at least prepares for it WBG I was leaning town Look it up. They brought up how "it doesn't indicate him being scum because you can't show us how his meta his scum oriented" I rephrased what I meant multiple times, and they shut it down multiple times He displayed a decently lengthed case 20 minutes after I posted my original suspicions. So, within 20 minutes, he had to see my case, determine if it's good, and suddenly write up something about you if he was scum. I don't see him doing that that easily About thrawn, does that make him scum in your eyes ? What about the rest of his filter ? | ||
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On January 08 2013 08:32 thrawn2112 wrote: djo are you reading? i got the opposite read from debears' post speaking of the devil... Where were you ? And, yeah, sorry, I didn't understand correctly ^^ | ||
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I think I've addressed your concerns already. Could you please make a short list of the points you still have against me so I can defend myself properly ? Also, I would like to know why your activity in this game is lower than usual | ||
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On January 08 2013 09:06 thrawn2112 wrote: there is no scumhunting at all in your d1 filter, and it continued with you participating in conversations but not doing anything relating to scumhunting. i'm guessing that you will say that you having low activitey is a null tell, but you can have low activity and still appear suspicious of people, which you didn't and i still think that scumslip is probably a scumslip a little before debears posted his @ thrawn I didn't have enough time to catch up and have decent scumreads. And I didn't want to appear suspicious just for the sake of appearing suspicious. That's what scum is doing, not town. Honestly, I was just sheeping the cases wich in found decent at that time. Which scumslip are you talking of ? The thing about Cheese or the thing about kush ? I have addressed both of them. Also you should know that 'scumslips' aren't a good way of finding scum, after WitchCraft ^^ And I still want to know why you are less active than usual, are you avoiding to answer ? | ||
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On January 08 2013 09:38 thrawn2112 wrote: yes the kush/cc thing. the entire issue was about you having a town read on kush because you dont think he's bussing at an early early point in the game where you shouldn't be able to decide on something like that. because it's either a dumb or scummy question. my activity is lower... do you actually care what my irl reasons are? it looks like you're trying to suggest i'm scum without doing so by asking that. what's your actual read on me? a few pages ago you seemed to be egging debears on trying to see if he'll say i'm scum without actually pushing the read yourself. @ thrawn I'm trying to figure you out. I want to know why you much less active because I've noticed that your activity is lower than usual. But this is something I could understand myself I'm getting suspicious of debears and you. I didn't like at all how you came attacking me around the same time. But, for the moment, I'm just suspicious of you. There are a lot of people I'm suspicious of in this game actually, and they cannot all be scum, so , yeah, I'm asking questions. Let's say that both of you are null reads for the moment, leaning slightly towards red on debears. | ||
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On January 08 2013 09:40 thrawn2112 wrote: this is completely different than what happened in WC. it's not that you called kush town, it's that you called him town because of some crazy read you had where you didn't think kush could be bussing I think I know exactly how kush is acting as scum after WitchCraft. This guy is 100% sure of his reads as scum because they all are based on the prior information he has. Go check his filter in WC if you don't believe. Basically, mafia players are mafia for him and he busses them with all the stuff he knows about them. And town players are town for whatever crappy reason he can find (see his townread on CC last game) and he proceeds to defend them. Also, please tell me what could be the mafia motivation for scum Djo to defend Kush ? | ||
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What was your motivation to post the part where you said we need to lynch iamp at LYLO if he is still alive ? Do you realize that we are very far from LYLO ? | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:11 thrawn2112 wrote: I wasnt comparing kush's play from this game to WC, I was talking about the scumslip stuff from both games are you talking about if kush is town and you're scum? it would give mafia something silly to talk about without having to help lyncn scum Ok, fair enough, that's reasonable. But I just wanted you to not waste your time on kush, that was my motivation because I thought he was more likely to be town at that time. And him going after town marv after that reinforced my read. | ||
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On January 08 2013 10:24 debears wrote: Why wouldn't I. Marv just won a scum game because he claimed vet and a shot and lived til the end because town didn't use their heads. Mafia nk strong town players with roles by lylo, especially in a 30 player game. Duh. You know, I agree with what you say, but I don't see how this was useful for town at that point. LYLO is still days away of us, and even further now that we have lynched Jackal. I suspect you to post this to look like your contributing, when you are in fact not. The other advantage you get is that you discredit a player who is almost confirmed townie. So, once again, what was your motivation for that post ? | ||
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Just waking up ^^ Here is the guys I would like to kill, and I hope that we at least put more focus on them tomorrow ! Hiro Pro, Foolishness, debears I'm pretty sure that these three are scum. The two first because I'm pretty sure some scum were inactive during D1 Hiro. He is flying under the radar, blending in, his spread sheet was quite the consensus spread sheet and the notes were lacking of substance. And now he is totally AWOL for whatever reason. Please not that he totally dropped froggy. Foolishness. One case on tube, one case on cheesecake. They are like the easiest targets ever in this thread. I want to lynch him because he isn't involded and doesn't deliver. I don't see him as town because he is not imb4, so scum. By the way, if he is not scum, then I think that Palmar is scum, balance-wise. But Palmar's D1 looks town, even if he was wrong about marv. Debears. I really don't like his OMGUS to Vivax's case. And also his OMGUS to LM. LM looks quite townie in my eyes. He is one of the few players who look like they give a fuck. It's ok to address some arguments again you, but it's a scum tactic to discredit your attacker. Also I think he was fake-contributing during D1 with his role play with Chez. Also there must be one scum among Hopeless, Cheese and thrawn. | ||
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On January 09 2013 07:03 supersoft wrote: yeah and the scumteam killed chezinu?!?! rofl they must be dumb as shit. Maybe chez got vigged as well, and they have 3 dayvigs... I'm thinking like VE. The OP says that the KP gets rounded to 3KP. But we start to have too many fucking blues around here then. | ||
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On January 09 2013 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Meapak Ziphh @ VE What do you make of the night kills ? How do you think scum used its KP ? | ||
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On January 09 2013 07:10 Vivax wrote: Gg guys. Looks like hopeless saved iamp last night. Good play bro, good play bro. Grush, one day you will play for town.One day. @ Vivax I disagree with your read on Kush. Did you read my posts about him ? Consider reading WitchCraft Mini Mafia where kush is scum. Please note that DYH and me are also in his scumteam in this game. Also that he defends Eywa, JieXian and Cheese because he knows that they are town in this game. Have a look at the scumQT for a perfect insight on kush's scum meta ^^ There is some hate in this QT, be warned... | ||
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On January 09 2013 07:22 kushm4sta wrote: djodref i think you are being dumb. If i got scum I would make myself be wrong about everything just to trick you No, I don't think so, because you didn't want at first that I reveal your meta. So I think you still want to keep on with your style On January 03 2013 18:54 kushm4sta wrote: djo don't tell anyone about your ingenious metaread on me please. just tell them if you think im town or scum but don't tell them the meta theory behind it.. Also I'm sure you couldn't prevent yourself from being right. Anyway, I hope you are going to change your meta. There is also the part where you blatantly want to kill town marv. I'm sure scum kush would be scared as shit by marv and be carefully not to interact with him. | ||
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Here is the way I see it. Grush vigged Hopeless and died from it. I'm quite confident on this one. I don't see why mafia would kill grush or Hopeless. That would be pretty stupid. Also, please remember this ^^ On January 05 2013 06:29 grush57 wrote: Palmar- He was trolling and now he is being super op scumhunter. Now he is a good player so is that necissarily town?Idk, I don't think marv is scum but palmar has been wrong every time I played with him so far. Marv- He just claimed cop, and I don't think eh should be lynched on D1. BC- He is pretty inactive but he sais he will be back soon. He is a mega vet so I don't think we should lynch him while there are other MUCH MORE SCUMNMY LURKERS LIKE YOU HOPESS Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. [b]Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.[/b] Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. ALSO, STARSENSES Grush really wanted Hopeless dead. Now, I don't know what do to with Chez being killed. But I think it's more likely to be a mafia shot if nobody claims it. On top of that, I don't think that another vigilante is possible. I really want the killer of Chez to claim, if he is town. So, we just have to see how much KP mafia used in dayvig (at the end of the day) to see if MZ is scum mason or not. So we don't lynch MZ today. | ||
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Are you still convinced that LM and Vivax are scum ? Why do you want to lynch CC over them ? Could you make cases against them, except for the fact that they were suspicious of you ? | ||
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On January 09 2013 09:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Oh btw guys I'm Bob the Builder the Vanilla Townie. I'm cool enough to have a name! Prolly still means I'm scum tho. I even breadcrumbed my vt name cus i knew not caring would get me killed etc etc. @ Cheese Why did you think your name was going to save you after XXX ? Did you not notice that everybody have names in this game ? Here, from the OP, On October 08 2012 03:28 Kurumi wrote: *snip* Vanilla Townie! - They can have names, too! *snip* | ||
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On January 08 2013 11:55 thrawn2112 wrote: thrawn's current lynch candidates for D3 by pref: djo, prom, (MZ) he's not down with the cc lynch. if he were to pick anyone in the game right now to be most likely to be a mislynch, it's cc. MZ in parenthesis because he really doesn't know wtf to think about him. thrawn doesnt understand what mz could be trying to accomplish if he's actually a town mason. the refusal to show logs is just wtf. palmar can you do something interesting tomorrow? Please explain me how I can be your first lynch candidate, seriously. Also I would like to know your other scumreads atm. What do you think of Hiro and Foolish ? I understand my activity and my contributions are less than usual but I've addressed this already. I'm starting to think that you are tunneling me for the sake of tunneling someone. | ||
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He is more active and seems really emotionally involved. I also think he enjoys playing scum so he wouldn't really care about the thread atmosphere and/or the rules so much as scum. | ||
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Debears the OMGUS way Here are the main reasons why debears is scum
Part I --- Fake contributions First of all, please remember debears idea of a random lynch. Did he push this idea ? Not really... Did he really think it through ? No, because he came up with statistics supporting a random lynch, when they are actually against a random lynch in our case. On January 03 2013 14:13 debears wrote: Should be pretty clear. Random lynching is more successful than actual trying to lynch a scum by scumreads d1. You can't diss random lynching On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: *snip* Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one. Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time. 44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game. There have been 931 distinct mafia players. If debears was really thinking at a random lynch for our game, he would have noticed that our chances to hit mafia with a random lynch were at 20%, which is even less that the global average of 21.1%. The fact that he didn't really pay attention to what he was proposing and that he didn't follow it through at all shows that he didn't want to do a random lynch in the first place. This contribution is totally fake, just a nice way to enter the thread for a scum player. Another example is here. Debears put up an act with Chezinu and made several posts of jokes and stuff about it. In here, you can see that he quickly identified Palmar and iamp as masons. Maybe a little too quickly for a town player in my taste. On January 04 2013 08:32 debears wrote: Btw Iamp what are you guys calling your society? Is it still the Circle of Superfriends? I will talk over joining you with the rest of The Brown Brotherhood The best example of debears fake contribution is the following post. On January 06 2013 03:47 debears wrote: Guys, with the thread as shitty as it is right now, I would like to propose a plan: Everyone, shut up, and do voting analysis with the info on the marv and BC flips. Let's make night all about voting analysis, and get on track What do we know about the day 1 lynch candidates? They were both town. It is way more likely scum didn't give a fuck where their votes were. We need to look for people who didn't really give a shit where their votes were, especially concerning BC and marv Did he follow up with that post ? No. For example, he never mentions the fact that Vivax vote was on tube on D1 when he calls Vivax scum. That's why I think it was a fake contribution again. An other thing that I don't like here is that debears vote on marv was pretty sheepy and scummy. I would mean that his post points towards a hole in his play. Maybe he was expecting us to fall into his WIFOM trap at this point. Another fake contribution is this one. This was utterly useless, while allowing him to discredit iamp, when iamp, on top of looking like his town self, is almost confirmed town. On January 07 2013 04:35 debears wrote: Hey guys I want to point something out about Iamp that I'm not liking right now 1) He claimed mason 2) The scum know that day vigs are unblockable 3) the scum for some reason felt the need to nk iamp, even though he's a mason who already used his power with palmar. All scum would have to do is wait til right after the nightpost to shoot him with an unblockable day vig instead of risking being blocked 4) We had 2 cops flip d1, including a role cop. the mafia were at a much lesser risk of being caught with their dayvigs with those flips 5) They didn't nk anyone else, yet had day vigs for 2 others. I'd say if Iamp makes it to lylo, you guys had better lynch the sucker. The mafia's choice to nk instead of dayvig would make no sense if true. However, I don't want to lynch Iamp because of the case that he could possibly be the mason and use his shot sometime I let you be judge of why town debears would post this. Part II --- Doesn't care who is going to get lynched So, debears has been tunneling Tunkeg all day 1 and has been shut down by marv and WBG. Which means that he somehow trusts their judgment. But then On January 05 2013 02:31 debears wrote: ##votr marv Follow palmar the wise Hide in plain sight. Following Palmar, regardless of Palmar alignment, was a perfect excuse for scum to try to get marv mislynched, which they should have dreamed of since they received their role PM. I don't like how he dropped his vote on Cheese today as well. On January 09 2013 07:49 debears wrote: ##Vote CC That's all his contributions for today. Part III --- Discrediting everyone attacking him So far, I have town reads on Vivax and Lazermonkey. I'm quite confident in these reads, because both of them seem genuinely involved, trying to figuring stuff out, and taking care of this game more than a lot of people. So, I'm very surprised that town debears don't share these reads. I mean, Vivax case had some bad points, but some points were good as well. He could have addressed the case without the OMGUS. It is worth of noting that he didn't provide as case, nor interacted with them so much before calling them scum. Debears had nothing to do with Vivax before that, and it's even more flagrant with LM. The accusation is coming out of nowhere. Part IV --- Going for the easy targets then backing off From Hero Mini Mafia, debears should have known that Tunkeg, when town, is an easy mislynch. I'm quite surprised he chose Tunkeg for his tunnel, while knowing that. More surprising is how he let himself shut down but WBG and marv. Even more surprising is how he doesn't care about Prome anymore. Since Tunkeg has been replaced, debears doesn't put any pressure at all on Prom. Yet his suspicions are still here. And he should know that giving replacements some leeway is not necessarily good, because it has for example allowed me to survive for too long in Mario Mini Mafia. On January 08 2013 06:36 debears wrote: I was shut down hard by multiple vets including marv and WBG. Marv's reaction to my case on Tunkeg was not what I expected of town Marv either. Palmar's thoughts reflected those of my own Prom is more active than Tun, but he hasn't done much. I'd rather keep him alive for now and see what he does Here is what he thinks about Prom right now, so I don't see why he wouldn't be after him today, even yesterday. Another easy target to go after was me, because of my low activity at the beginning. Please notice how debears comes after me with an discrediting post to back up quite quickly when I start to be more active. On January 07 2013 05:11 debears wrote: Hey Iamp. What do you think of Djodref? I have noticed a few things that are alarming 1) His indifference to taking the helm in this game. His activity is much greater in his town games. 2) His weak reasoning for voting BC. He hides it among all the other stuff in this post, and says that the quoted post "serves mafia interest" without explaining 3) He never pushes BC after that 4) He brings up others, yet no real reasoning And then On January 07 2013 09:42 debears wrote: Ok. List of people I want to lynch in order of importance after Jackal CC Djo Hiro/Miscellaneous to change it into On January 08 2013 06:41 debears wrote: List of people that should be lynched, in order of importance after Jackal 1) CC 2) MZ 3) Hiro 4) Vivax/Laser 6) Palmar Let's lynch debears today ! ##Vote debears | ||
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@ iamp I think that Hopeless was your savior. I don't think any scum is going to be safe claiming they have protected you since we have a medic already dead now. Please keep your paranoia at an acceptable level. I didn't find any crumb in his filter for your save, but given how many blues we have already, not even taking MZ into account, I think that we don't have another medic. @ VE I think debears is a better lynch today than Foolishness. I guess a debears lynch could create more discussion than a Foolishness lynch. Please consider my case, OK ? Also you shouldn't waste your time with iamp. At least I don't think so. | ||
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On January 09 2013 12:39 VisceraEyes wrote: You just hold your horses bro. I reposted the case with the express intention of reading it through because I felt bad for spamming it away. Now give people some time to read that monstrosity. You got me sniped Thanks for the repost ! | ||
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You guys have to realize that Hiro is really flying under the radar for the moment. Debears, HiroPro, Foolishness, Cheesecake. Also, I think we need to consolidate on our lynch candidate, because scum can potentially sway the lynch with the help of day shots.. | ||
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On January 09 2013 13:59 kushm4sta wrote: djodref wayyy tldr it doesn't take a megacase to prove debears is scummy Yes, but I want him lynched today. A mega case helps to get town convinced that your lynch is the right lynch. | ||
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On January 09 2013 13:56 debears wrote: ##Vote Foolishness If CC will not be lynched, then I support a "Foolish" lynch hahaha Do you really care about who is going to get lynched today ? | ||
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On January 09 2013 13:59 kushm4sta wrote: djodref wayyy tldr it doesn't take a megacase to prove debears is scummy Could you vote debears then ? | ||
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Did MZ send you the logs of his conversation with Foolishness ? Can we finally have the logs now ? @ Foolishness Same can we have your logs ? The sooner the better ? | ||
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You are quite quick to change your lynch target. Why are you saying that CC is not going to be lynched when half of town hasn't participated today yet and many votes are missing ? Aren't you supposed to convince us to lynch Cheese instead if hoping on whatever the trendy wagon is ? | ||
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@ kush Are you aware that Chezinu is dead ? Would you lynch debears over Prome after my case against him ? | ||
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@ thrawn So, do you want to lynch Prom or me ? Do you change your lynch candidate based on the general opinion of the thread ? | ||
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Do you have other scum reads except the Cheese Cake and Hiro Pro ? Why do you think debears is town ? | ||
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On January 09 2013 17:22 supersoft wrote: lol... that was unexpected... ahm well MZ wanted to post the logs 6 hours ago... should i post them now or do you want foolishness to post them... they're not really spectacular... theyre talking about how low their motivation is :-( So do you have both logs ? I think it's better to post them now ^^ | ||
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On January 09 2013 17:26 kushm4sta wrote: the logs are 100% useless now delete them What do you mean ? | ||
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On January 08 2013 05:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: This. I've still got him labelled as scum because ever since I called him out he hasn't made a concrete case on anyone. Maybe one paragraph in any direction and nothing to say "this person is 100% scum and you should all lynch him at your earliest convenience" If I had a gun to my head right now and was told to pick three lynch targets I would get Jackal, Prom and probably Palmar since in the end everyone he builds a case against flips blue. Time to get my spreadsheet going. @ Sentinel How is your spread sheet going ? Any update on Prome ? Who do you want to lynch today ? | ||
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On January 10 2013 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote: And for the record...if anyone is under the impression that as scum I would talk to my fucking self in the thread, they had better say so now. VE so scummy right now <3 You want some conversation, I'm just waking up ^^ | ||
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On January 09 2013 22:48 Palmar wrote: I think djodref might be a good lynch, and I need to read up on debears. What happened to your CheeseCake lynch ? Would you care to share your reasons for lynching me ? Also, did you notice how debears totally disappeared and admitted not caring anymore since his bandwagon started ? | ||
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On January 10 2013 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Who will speak for Promethelax? Who I ask?! Actually I think it's more a town tell that nobody is speaking for him. It means it's less likely than he has scumbuddies. On the opposite, the thing about CC is that his lynch is not as easy as it should be. There is some diversion, some resistance. But at the same time, he is a very easy bus target for his team if he is scum. | ||
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On January 10 2013 06:40 thrawn2112 wrote: What are you trying to say about CC lynch? I don't get any kind of read from that I think that CC lynch is also a scum lynch because it's not an easy lynch, not as easy as it should be given his contributions. I think that both debears and CC are scum. But we cannot trust anyone voting CC because I think it would be very easy for some member of the scumteam to bus him if he is scum. I'm totally fine lynching CC or debears today. What about you ? Who would you like to lynch at the exception of Prome and me ? | ||
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On January 10 2013 06:42 thrawn2112 wrote: mostly same as kush's o.0 basically... I witnessed Witchcraft Mafia. Everyone considering a CC lynch REALLY needs to go read that game. Don't even look at his/anyone else's alignment before you read his filter. I disagree, at least CC was really emotionally involved in that game. Did you forget how much he was flaming with Eywa ? Also he had a very decent IRL excuse at that time. It's a different Cheese from WitchCraft. | ||
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On January 10 2013 07:01 thrawn2112 wrote: whatever, idc. i'm not gonna try too hard to save him but his lynch seems lazy/scummy. How about pushing your candidates then ? Like, shouldn't you making a case against Prome now ? | ||
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On January 10 2013 07:08 thrawn2112 wrote: lol djo. explain how i'm not pushing my candidates? nobody is willing to talk to me about you being scum. and i don't see what your fixation on me specifically "building a case" on prom is. is there some magic case per cycle quota i'm not reaching? how do you feeel about my prom push? would you vote him? I wouldn't vote prom, and for me, you have failed to show how his actions were serving mafia interest. The things you are talking about are the tone of his post and how he interacts with people in this game. Basically, you want to lynch Prome according to a meta argument only. I think it's a poor reason to lynch someone, especially when the guy in question is part of the few people still participating actively in this game, and looking emotionally involved. Also, Prome is wanting to lynch debears with me, and I think he was the first to raise serious concerns regarding him. | ||
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On January 10 2013 08:39 Palmar wrote: Foolishness Djodref supersoft froggynoddy Toadesstern thrawn2112 Promethelax Mr. Cheesecake I don't know, I think there may be multiple mafia in this list. I'm really interested to see what you are going to do with that list tomorrow ^^ | ||
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On January 10 2013 10:01 debears wrote: ##Vote debears We are lynching me today. Scum will have me set up for later lynches if i live Ok, I think we should definitively lynch debears today. | ||
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On January 10 2013 10:10 debears wrote: I will repeat this one more time NONE of you have explained why my counter arguments against vivax are wrong. NONE OF YOU. In other words, I am fucked later no matter what because you guys can't read and think on your own Why didn't you show that Vivax is scum, independently from the case he made against you ? | ||
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On January 10 2013 10:36 debears wrote: Controversial mislynch = easier reads on the scum bam You are not going to be controversial if you vote yourself and are not giving more details for your reads. What do you make of Palmar defending you for example ? Same goes for thrawn, what do you make of him ? From my point of view, your behavior allows the town to build an easy consensus on you, so we don't get to discuss of anything anymore today. | ||
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On January 10 2013 10:53 supersoft wrote: 7. Toadesstern 28. Mr. Cheesecake Toad almost 100% confirmed scum in my eyes right now... Sorry dude. I got you. Don't even dare to argue yourself out of this ;-) You might aswell admit it. Cheesecake obviously... 19. Foolishness replaced by RoL 17. Palmar one of them should be scum, balancewise. Not an issue today, since we got more solid lynches... I am no sure about debears, sure he's terrible, asking pointless questions, is lying etc. etc. but many of you do that... huh... Come on ! Debears is asking to get lynched in this very thread, and he is not even trying to show who is supposed to be scum on his bandwagon ! It's the first time I've seen him doing the martyr like that. I mean, he did asked to get mislynched in my very first game, but at that time, it was just to better nail the last scum for the upcoming LYLO. And he had a very nice case against this last scum. Here he refuses to contribute. | ||
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On January 10 2013 16:49 Clarity_nl wrote: Guys, names with colour codes ARE NOT READS Hello Clarity ! Did you change your mind about debears since his martyr act ? @ RoL We need your input ASAP if you are tow. We could really use a pair of new eyes. | ||
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Also he is not the only one giving up, and I don't think all of these players are scum. For me, he has the less chances to flip scum among debears, Cheese and himself. | ||
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On January 10 2013 17:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Hiro not pushing it Djo I am. I know, but Hiro is pushing it as well... But I have to admit that his case was not so bad. | ||
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I'm just waking up. I'll be around until the deadline. I'm glad to see that debears is leading the vote. I'm quite surprised to see Palmar dead and I really wonder why they killed him when he was doing nothing and was under suspicion. Same for MZ by the way. The kills are really weird. Debears is still MIA, not fighting his lynch, not telling us who is scum. Lynch the bastard ! | ||
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Remember that the mafia needs to preserve its KP. | ||
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On January 11 2013 04:36 Lazermonkey wrote: Wow, Djoderf. your ideas are so handsome all the time! You MUST be town Lol. Thanks ^^ | ||
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You can call me Djo if you want ^^ | ||
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On January 11 2013 05:24 kushm4sta wrote: well no one should vote cheesecake because it looks like he's going to get modkilled at this point right? The problem is that he is around in British Empire Mafia apparently. He could vote if he wants to survive, but that would be claiming scum. | ||
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But I would really hate him if he pulls off something like that. Back to debears, which still hasn't tell us why Vivax is scum, except for the case he made against, and why Lazer is scum. ##Unvote ##Vote: debears | ||
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On January 11 2013 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote: I MADE THAT POINT HE LITERALLY QUOTED MY POST WHAT THE HOLY FUCK KUSH?! You are forgetting that you are mafia Kush doesn't listen to the scummers ^^ | ||
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Because they are town and you know it ? | ||
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How many people are here ? Could we get a vote count please ? | ||
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GO GO GO Vote debears | ||
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What the fuck is happening here ? | ||
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On the other hand, froggy and CC don't give a single fuck of this game for real, regardless of alignment... | ||
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On January 11 2013 09:57 debears wrote: Or maybe scum are controlling the thread. Paranoia Bum bum bum Would you mind give us some names ? Are you trying to imply that VE is scum ? | ||
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On January 11 2013 15:35 kushm4sta wrote: I guess it's up to me to find the scumteam now? Debears, Hiro, RoL, thrawn and some other guy I guess | ||
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On January 11 2013 15:39 kushm4sta wrote: wait a second we lose now right? 13 players 8 town/5 scum scum kill 3 5 town/5scum gg? Aren't we 14 right now ? | ||
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On January 11 2013 15:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Yeah, uh? Did kurumi say when he would get back? I kind of don't want to read and scum hunt if game is mathematically lost already. It's not like you would have done anything anyway... | ||
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On January 11 2013 15:56 Clarity_nl wrote: You're not counting night actions This ! It ain't over till it's over ! | ||
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On January 11 2013 16:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Basically we need a save or a kill tonight/next night, and we need to lynch scum the next two lynches to get to lylo where scum has 1 kp Who do you think is scum then ? | ||
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No hard feelings, I'm just calling you scum ^^ | ||
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debears I think he has pretty much claimed scum in the thread. Since my case against him + Show Spoiler [for reference] + On January 09 2013 12:22 Djodref wrote: Debears the OMGUS way Here are the main reasons why debears is scum
Part I --- Fake contributions First of all, please remember debears idea of a random lynch. Did he push this idea ? Not really... Did he really think it through ? No, because he came up with statistics supporting a random lynch, when they are actually against a random lynch in our case. If debears was really thinking at a random lynch for our game, he would have noticed that our chances to hit mafia with a random lynch were at 20%, which is even less that the global average of 21.1%. The fact that he didn't really pay attention to what he was proposing and that he didn't follow it through at all shows that he didn't want to do a random lynch in the first place. This contribution is totally fake, just a nice way to enter the thread for a scum player. Another example is here. Debears put up an act with Chezinu and made several posts of jokes and stuff about it. In here, you can see that he quickly identified Palmar and iamp as masons. Maybe a little too quickly for a town player in my taste. The best example of debears fake contribution is the following post. Did he follow up with that post ? No. For example, he never mentions the fact that Vivax vote was on tube on D1 when he calls Vivax scum. That's why I think it was a fake contribution again. An other thing that I don't like here is that debears vote on marv was pretty sheepy and scummy. I would mean that his post points towards a hole in his play. Maybe he was expecting us to fall into his WIFOM trap at this point. Another fake contribution is this one. This was utterly useless, while allowing him to discredit iamp, when iamp, on top of looking like his town self, is almost confirmed town. I let you be judge of why town debears would post this. Part II --- Doesn't care who is going to get lynched So, debears has been tunneling Tunkeg all day 1 and has been shut down by marv and WBG. Which means that he somehow trusts their judgment. But then Hide in plain sight. Following Palmar, regardless of Palmar alignment, was a perfect excuse for scum to try to get marv mislynched, which they should have dreamed of since they received their role PM. I don't like how he dropped his vote on Cheese today as well. That's all his contributions for today. Part III --- Discrediting everyone attacking him So far, I have town reads on Vivax and Lazermonkey. I'm quite confident in these reads, because both of them seem genuinely involved, trying to figuring stuff out, and taking care of this game more than a lot of people. So, I'm very surprised that town debears don't share these reads. I mean, Vivax case had some bad points, but some points were good as well. He could have addressed the case without the OMGUS. It is worth of noting that he didn't provide as case, nor interacted with them so much before calling them scum. Debears had nothing to do with Vivax before that, and it's even more flagrant with LM. The accusation is coming out of nowhere. Part IV --- Going for the easy targets then backing off From Hero Mini Mafia, debears should have known that Tunkeg, when town, is an easy mislynch. I'm quite surprised he chose Tunkeg for his tunnel, while knowing that. More surprising is how he let himself shut down but WBG and marv. Even more surprising is how he doesn't care about Prome anymore. Since Tunkeg has been replaced, debears doesn't put any pressure at all on Prom. Yet his suspicions are still here. And he should know that giving replacements some leeway is not necessarily good, because it has for example allowed me to survive for too long in Mario Mini Mafia. Here is what he thinks about Prom right now, so I don't see why he wouldn't be after him today, even yesterday. Another easy target to go after was me, because of my low activity at the beginning. Please notice how debears comes after me with an discrediting post to back up quite quickly when I start to be more active. And then to change it into Let's lynch debears today ! ##Vote debears HiroPro HiroPro is just the definition of blending in and flying under the radar this game. His main contribution in this game his this case against Toad + Show Spoiler [for reference] + On January 10 2013 03:03 HiroPro wrote: We're going to lynch Cheesecake. I don't care whether you guys think that he is so inconsiderate that he would abandon one game completely to join another one. He is around, he is avoiding being modkilled by voting, but refusing to do anything at all so you have to lynch him. ##Vote Cheesecake Now let's talk about Toadesstern, since you guys are ignoring him. These are the posts with regards to his view on Palmar that I will be referring to: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 02:10 Toadesstern wrote: ##vote Palmar Let's get this going. Town palmar can be a dick, Town palmar can and will be very much trollish, Town palmar however won't do everything that's possible to make it sure it's hard for town to get reads on people or to even read the thread. That's something not-Town Palmar does. Get lynching guys. On January 04 2013 03:48 Toadesstern wrote: Arkham City: Palmars filter And well about the first statement. I obviously can't prove he doesn't do that as town because that's impossible. Thing is I haven't seen him doing anything this extreme as town, and I've seen him a couple of times. Gosh you're wasting my time I'm off to McD for half an hour. On January 04 2013 04:40 Toadesstern wrote: and I'm not paranoid. I'm gauging the situation :p Though I really am not sure what to make of Palmar, which is troublesome. So what do we see here - Toad is voting for Palmar on some sort of meta read, but has absolutely no desire to explain it beyond "Palmar isn't like this is town. this is not-town Palmar". What motivations could a town Toad have for not willing to explain in detail why the person he's voting for should be lynched? He could either have an inherent dislike for explaining his thoughts or it could be a pressure vote (It's clear that this is not a pressure vote based on how quickly Toad drops the whole thing). At the same time, Toad has no problems with complaining about how marv won't share his thinking with him, so it's very unlikely that Toad doesn't like to explain his thoughts on his lynch target. So then the simplest explanation is that Toad is mafia and does not want to share his reasoning because he simply has nothing substantial. At the same time, the speed with which Toad's view on Palmar changes should be highly concerning. At 2:10, Toad is voting for Palmar and calling him very likely "not-town". Yet just 2.5 hours later, Toad suddenly is unsure about Palmar (It should be noted that Palmar has posted nothing in this time frame beyond expressing a slight doubt of Toad) and seems ready to back off. What could possibly cause this shift - at this time, I'm questioning Toad on his reasoning and supersoft is calling Toad paranoid and saying Palmar will absolutely not be lynched. Yet, Toad's response isn't to loudly refute us (which would be the normal drama queen toad reaction), but instead something that smells much more strongly of mafia - avoiding discussion and instead attempting to quitely appease others. Now let's look at the way that Toad treats Viscera (relevant quotes are in the spoiler): + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 03:49 Toadesstern wrote: d1. We're lynching marv right now, mostly because Palmar said so and people like Supersoft and myself agree about it. Alternatives would be a policy lynch on WBG, A lynch on me because I'm weird according to VE (?) A lynch on BC because... I don't know hard to tell... I agree he's not looking good but I wouldn't be comfortable lynching him A lynch on VE for doing stuff other people want to do ALL THE TIME On January 05 2013 05:46 Toadesstern wrote: I really think any kind of lynch between Marv / BC / Hopeless / maybe VE would be awesome right now. But Palmars the man and he says it's Marv and not the other 3 guys, so Marv it is. On January 04 2013 07:46 Toadesstern wrote: the interessting thing, if at all is VE's vote. Though VE and I have somewhat of a history so it's really hard to get something out of that... I don't mind foolish to be honest. On January 05 2013 09:09 Toadesstern wrote: VE is problematic and plays somewhat anti-town no matter of alignment. Palmar once said that VE is one of the strongest mafia-aligned-forces no matter of alignment, resulting in town being at a disadvantage no matter what. That was before he started playing better. Nevertheless he's VERY eratic. He's either good or completly moronic. Pretty much nothing inbetween, which makes it hard to judge him. I've got a history with him because he'll probably tell you that I consider him scummy every game I play with him, no matter of our alignments, even if we're both mafia :3 So basicly you won't find a game of VE in which he's not strange, not a single one. The question is wether that strange is something bad strange. On January 06 2013 07:00 Toadesstern wrote: I'm going to make a bold statement here: I don't think I'm going to get doublestacked n1 again. I really don't think mafia will shoot me, but I might have overdone it a little because apparently there's a bunch of paranoid people who might be willing to shoot me. I'm mainly looking at hopeless, Ex-Tunk (?) and VE here. Tunk is unlikely simply because he replaced out but who knows. Hopeless could end up shooting me and if he does it's probably a townie-move although being utterly retarded because I really don't see mafia wasting KP on me this game, this early on, especially with Marv flipping town. If VE shoots me it's a null I guess... he'd be crazy enough to do that as both alignments and to claim it as both alignments. If he's mafia he could easily be sitting in his QT yelling <i>"look guys, if I shoot Toad and claim 10 secs prior to deadline I'll totally look like a misguided townie and with me yelling at Toad 10 times d1 I have all the reasoning to shoot him while making me look VE-ish!"</i>. I however could also see him do the same thing as town so no idea about him. I guess the best thing is to see who get's shot at deadline, that should give as some hints because right now it's really confusing within the vets. And I really hope possible vigs end up claiming prior to deadline. That's all that's relevant for this particular deadline from my point of view. I'm playing some zelda and will get onto more important things tomorrow. On January 10 2013 00:46 Toadesstern wrote: On the offchance that I'm pulling a WBG here, I'd rather not vote Debears. Who's an option besides him? I somewhat want VE dead, I somewhat want foolish dead but have no idea what's the status with his logs. Throughout his filter, Toad is clamoring for VE to be lynched on absolutely nothing (read it, you won't find a single reason for why VE might be mafia). Everything about his tone and attitude (specifically the constant double-talk where multiple explanations are given for VE's behavior but no real opinion is ever taken) suggest that Toad regards VE as some sort of oddity, not a prime lynch candidate. So then why is Toad pushing for VE to be lynched all the time? It's simply a baseless mafia push - Toad is content to throw dirt at VE without ever trying to really convince others. I'll be around for another half an hour, so talk to me right now please. Viscera, I would very much appreciate it if I could talk with you. Foolish/RoL Foolish only contributions were his cases against tube and Cheese. And they both turned out to be town. Please also note that Foolish's case against Cheese conveniently dismisses the first scum game of Cheese, where he was really active. Even if town Foolish could be wrong and lacking the time, he would expect him to go after bigger targets, or at least give something original and useful in the masonQT where he basically said almost nothing to MZ. RoL is going to be as inactive as Foolish, or at least it really looks like it, and I think it's all that mafia has to do at this point. Please also note that usually some vets are in the scumteam, for the game to be "balanced", and that both Palmar and marv flipped town. thrawn His activity level matches his only scum game (Mario Mini Mafia) and not anyone of his town games. He has been totally useless yesterday while tunneling Djodref and Prome when it was clear that we were not going to be lynched at all. He also failed to bring up relevant cases against us, and he is globally following the trend. I have usually a very clear town read on thrawn (even if the games where I roll town with him ), and that's not the case in this game, so it means he should be scum. | ||
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On January 11 2013 17:57 Promethelax wrote: you missed Yamato though djo I think Yamato is town, or at least he seemed to me that he was caring more of this game than any other of the scummers I've just mentioned in my post. He is trying to figure things out, even if I think that he is mostly wrong. Anyway, the remaining guy I have is not Yamato, and I'm quite confident in my scumteam right now, so Yamato has to be town by elimination, as well as you But I'm open to discussion | ||
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On January 11 2013 17:58 Promethelax wrote: which if those are you most confidant in? The remaining one, and debears, pretty sure that they are both scum. Foolishness has to be scum, but there is not so much to analyze. It's elimination process in the vet player pool and also the current player pool. I'm the least sure about HiroPro and thrawn, but the chances are pretty good for them to be mafia imo. | ||
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On January 11 2013 18:02 Promethelax wrote: which of these five do you want to lynch? debears or the other guy, it depends on which one we can consolidate on. I'm going to read yamato's filter again. | ||
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On January 11 2013 17:52 Clarity_nl wrote: I think is association with Jackal makes him likely to be town. This is something called "taking your distances" that mafia players do all the time. Did he really follow up on Jackal ? Did he push it ? Also, go read his filter again and tell me if it's really the same thrawn that we were playing with in Hero Mini Mafia. | ||
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On January 11 2013 18:13 Clarity_nl wrote: He tried pushing the lynch away from marv/bc to vote for jackal with the knowledge that there were at least a couple of players interested. But the lynch was already set at that point, right ? Honestly, I need to read D1 again, but I don't think that you should focus on a point like that to derive your read. I've been wrong about marv all game in Hero because he reacted very well to WBG's bluff. Anyway, my read on thrawn is not set in stone, and I hope he steps up for following days because we need him to shine like a townie if he really is one, and this is something he usually does. But please consider reading his filter in this game, and then his filter in Hero Mini Mafia. | ||
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On January 11 2013 18:24 Promethelax wrote: Who is this fabled other guy, hiding it from the thread helps no one. We are either at r very near mylo. Our remaining blues need all the information they can get. I can give you a hint. You should read again what happened before and after Toad's mislynch. | ||
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On January 11 2013 18:35 Promethelax wrote: How about you don't just fuck around and instead provide the thread with everything you've got. Or at least a reasonable answer for not doing that. Let's say the I would be even more convinced that you are town if you find it by yourself I'm also preparing a better case to really convince everybody that this guy is indeed scum. | ||
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On January 11 2013 18:24 Promethelax wrote: Who is this fabled other guy, hiding it from the thread helps no one. We are either at r very near mylo. Our remaining blues need all the information they can get. Okay, in fact, I'm going out tonight, and I'm really not sure to be able to wake up before the deadline, so I'll give you this. It's supersoft ! Please have a look at this post here, it's golden ! On January 11 2013 07:13 supersoft wrote: late voteswitch, asking for game-ending modkills? my winrate is screwed :'( I think this is a huge scum slip from supersoft here. Please note how he refers to the modkills. They are game-ending ! Which means he knew that Cheese and froggy were town before the flips ! And he was counting how many town supersoft is scum, shoot that guy please ! I might come back in the night and post drunk ^^ See ya ! | ||
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Thanks to the players and the hosts ! I think the problem town had this game was the bad town atmosphere and the heterogenious activity from the players. I also think that people are giving too much leeway to the vets, Palmar, Foolish and Jackal should have been lynched D1 for what they did. We were very lucky with the BC bandwagon. Also for the further games, I think you can safely policy lynch thrawn based on his activity only But it's ok because he always gets to play town, so he is going to participate in the game rather than in the scumQT for the next one I think you can also policy lynch me quite safely because I always get mafia >.< I think my play D1 and D2 was poor, and I've tried to improve in the last days. But I was really lacking the time at some point. Regarding the setup I'm impressed by the number of blues town had in this game. I think it would have been imbalanced if we didn't figure out that we could abuse the dayvigs. I think that dayvigs should be removed by the way, but not the rounded KP part if town has so many blues. I also think that the Lurker Policy day one is a very good policy. | ||
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On January 12 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Setup overall was actually pretty balanced given you guys had the abilities you did and near all powers town had were dt aligned in some way in slow cops, role cops, etc... Each blue was basically a gimped version of a real blue role so we had 12 gimped blues which would equal roughly 6 real blue roles. You guys had 6 members. Given that you guys could turn all your kp into day kills and get 3 auto kills no matter what the game was actually quite favoured for you guys regardless of our numbers. You guys also go lucky no one actually took my list of scum seriously before i died =( Yes, very lucky, basically nobody cared of anyone's will after the kills. Chezinu wanted lcearly thrawn to be dead. You had nailed us, as well as Palmar, who had be immediately shot for it. | ||
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On January 12 2013 05:57 debears wrote: Also thrawn I thought u were scum at the end. I was gonna do a write up at day Mu final scumteam was vivax, foolish, djo, thrawn, hiro/laser I checked laser n2 amd sentinel n3 Thrawn your defense of me seemed way too fake considering thw rest of the thread wouldnt bother listening to me. Especially when you said you thought that I was that arrogant. I don't think you would have any pull to lynch us though I'm surprised that you were a cop ! What happened to you this game ? Also, fun fact, but the host killed as many people as the mafia did this game ^^ Also I wanted to claim Tommy the Fireman the Vanilla Townie, but you guys didn't lynch me >.< @ VE Don't worry, I'll keep on playing, there is just not any game on-going at the moment. Also, I like you since you replaced HiroPro in the Looney Game, I just couldn't say it in this game After all, I wanted to lynch you in Hero when you were deliberately derping tunneling Clarity, because I know town VE couldn't be this dumb. | ||
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On January 12 2013 06:54 debears wrote: 1) i was purposely keeping away from leading town so I wouldnt get nked. 2) I didn't have time 3) theres no reason for me to spam like I do in minis due to the amount of players 4) there was very little effort and reason I'm the thread Unfortunately I didn't know we would lose after only 2 mislynches in a 30 player game. And then when a scum made a terrible case taking my quotes out of context the mafia had too much control of the thread for me to overturn them But hey, guess I just need to get myself nked n1 from now on by playing better I wish I could get nked N1 as town once... I'm also so scummy as town | ||
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It's a mess of a conversation though | ||
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So congrats to kush for that save. By the way, we almost shot Clarity instead of Chez N2. Chez's kill was highly debated at last minute in the skype convo. | ||
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It was pretty depressing to see people yelling at each other or giving up :o | ||
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At the same time, the BC lynch this game was terrible, but I think it's good for the vets to know that they are not safe at D1. | ||
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