EPTIMO sandroba is scummier than ON, but I am also a coward and I have no problems with a policy lynch... and when you think about it, ON is the perfect policy lynch candidate if there ever was one.
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
IMO sandroba is scummier than ON, but I am also a coward and I have no problems with a policy lynch... and when you think about it, ON is the perfect policy lynch candidate if there ever was one. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:41 thrawn2112 wrote: austin are your votes for ON more because you think he's the scummier candidate, or because you are more afraid of sandroba being town and you wouldnt want to lose a town sandroba? IMO sandroba is scummier than ON, but I am also a coward and I have no problems with a policy lynch... and when you think about it, ON is the perfect policy lynch candidate if there ever was one. I don't want to lose a town sandroba. I'm not convinced either way on his alignment, and he's a big asset if he's town. But I don't want to deal with either having him around late game after this D1, OR having to deal with a replacement catching up on 96 hours and then us having to read the replacement while not having much to go off of from ON's time in thread. To the extent that voting ON for concerns other than "ON scummiest" is a policy lynch, then yeah, I'm in favor of policy lynching him. Right now it's more just weighing what I think of each vs what they each bring. If I'm not convinced on either's alignment, then I'd rather take the chance that we have townsandroba who's useful than townON who isn't right now. If all this meta talk is true, scumsandroba is not particular active and nasty, whereas VE is the first replacement, and I feel like scumVE replacing in for ON might be nastier. So...I'd rather have townsand over townON. I'd rather have scumON dead than scumsand D1. Based on that, I'd rather flip ON if I'm not sure about the two of them. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:23 austinmcc wrote: Yes, I should have used my votes in a different way early on. Some of this is due to changing my mind on Djodref. Some is due to focusing on Aperture. Some is due to early laziness. Do you actually believe I don't give a shit? Or do you only think that THIS particular thing points towards me giving a shit? that particular thing makes me think you were indifferent to who actually go lynched today. You were around but not using your votes, aka implying you were happy with who advanced. Now that the finals are set, you say I find neither scummy. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Also you make a pretty good point about the replacement. If I had to guess based on the OP, I would guess that ON is going to get modkilled. So what is better? Lynching ON so he doesn't get modkilled or lynching sandroba and letting ON get modkilled? Right now I'm leaning towards the option that gets them both killed. I dont want to have to lynch Sandroba d2 if he continues on his path of lurking/not giving a shit. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:57 kushm4sta wrote: @austin you are wrong no one fought for ON. I fought for him last round purely because he is a null read. ET pushed him through with 6 last minute votes. I just wish ET hadn't done that so would could lynch 1der today. Also you make a pretty good point about the replacement. If I had to guess based on the OP, I would guess that ON is going to get modkilled. So what is better? Lynching ON so he doesn't get modkilled or lynching sandroba and letting ON get modkilled? Right now I'm leaning towards the option that gets them both killed. I dont want to have to lynch Sandroba d2 if he continues on his path of lurking/not giving a shit. Last round was late enough that people were finally going to fight for him anyway. It was the first two rounds that I'm really looking at for ON, where Hiro and I got free passes and nobody blinked. A scumbuddy could have just said, "ON feels like an easy mislynch" and dropped a couple votes in R1 or R2, but once we were in R3 both sides were getting more votes and more discussion, so there was less of an opportunity for someone to save him without doing much at all. Plus, at some point, he was going to get more discussion and more arguments in support at him, so I'd rather focus on the early days as far as the whole nobody fighting for him bit. I'm not leaning scummy on them, so I don't lean towards the lynch Sandroba + replacement/modkill option. If we're going to lose one, I'd rather lose ON, because he's going to be more difficult to read and feels like he's going to be less useful. I haven't played with ON though so I dunno him much, but I've seen some good games from sandroba. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Someone asked for some more transparency from me so I'm going to say that I agree with EchelonTee's assessment that Hopeless1der is probably town. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On October 13 2012 16:00 sandroba wrote: If you people stopped one second to look at this thread you would come to realise that is simply no way I'm scum purely based on how this situation came to be. What about how this situation came to be proves that he isn't scum? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On October 14 2012 05:34 kushm4sta wrote: What about how this situation came to be proves that he isn't scum? I read his filter again. I think that his explanation for his early behavior looks legit. He looks scummy but it looks deliberate as he himself claims that it is. He pointed out a few things such as "I don't want to discuss that right now" or whatever he said. This takes away the reason that I (and a few others) think that he is scum. Furthermore it seems like an unnecessary thing to do as scum. He didn't get lynched as town in his last game, why not just try to continue that trend? Instead he goes through some effort to look scummy and that's dangerous for no reason which isn't very scum like, actually it's pretty town like. Hence, no more scum but probably town. That said, it's a pretty dumb thing (I use dumb sparingly but purposely trying to appear scum is dumb because suddenly you get lynched and then you'll have wasted a day for town). I'm glad he agrees with that sentiment. If he ever tries to pull anything like this again he should be summarily lynched. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I thought you quoted my most recent post. lol | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:54 thrawn2112 wrote: Austin I am in full agreement with that assessment, except that I think I am more convinced of sand's scumminess than you are. However like I said earlier it's only day 1, we have no flips yet, and the lynch mechanics were weird as hell so the more I think about it the less confident I am in my sand votes... I'm going to unvote for now. I'm not quite ready to vote ON yet but at this very moment that's what I'm leaning towards. (policy lynch ofc) Can you explain this? Do you think there's a bigger chance of OriginalName flipping scum than sandroba? | ||
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prplhz
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prplhz
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prplhz
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On October 14 2012 06:57 prplhz wrote: Can you explain this? Do you think there's a bigger chance of OriginalName flipping scum than sandroba? I'm mostly confused by sandroba's posts today. I've never seen someone defend themselves by saying "you guys are so awful i'm not even going to try" and I'm not sure what to make of that. As for ON, I have absolutely no idea what the chances of him flipping scum are. Just complete null read. His only notable action so far, the last minute voting, could have been done by either a townie or scum if they thought they might get modkilled... so he's a complete null read, Sandroba I'd put at a higher chance of flipping scum than most but that doesn't mean I'm confident he will. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:46 austinmcc wrote: I don't want to lose a town sandroba. I'm not convinced either way on his alignment, and he's a big asset if he's town. But I don't want to deal with either having him around late game after this D1, OR having to deal with a replacement catching up on 96 hours and then us having to read the replacement while not having much to go off of from ON's time in thread. To the extent that voting ON for concerns other than "ON scummiest" is a policy lynch, then yeah, I'm in favor of policy lynching him. Right now it's more just weighing what I think of each vs what they each bring. If I'm not convinced on either's alignment, then I'd rather take the chance that we have townsandroba who's useful than townON who isn't right now. If all this meta talk is true, scumsandroba is not particular active and nasty, whereas VE is the first replacement, and I feel like scumVE replacing in for ON might be nastier. So...I'd rather have townsand over townON. I'd rather have scumON dead than scumsand D1. Based on that, I'd rather flip ON if I'm not sure about the two of them. I've found some holes in your reasoning. Did you consider the case where ON is scum and Sandro town and the case where ON is town and Sandro is scum ? | ||
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