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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 13 2012 06:48 GMT
#561
@All the people who are not writing my name correctly

Please call me Djo ^^


I'm feeling lonely in my timezone...

@thrawn

while you are here, what do you think about prplhz and hiro ?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
October 13 2012 07:00 GMT
#562
I'm not going to fight against this lynch. This is simply too stupid to fight over and I don't feel like it. If you people stopped one second to look at this thread you would come to realise that is simply no way I'm scum purely based on how this situation came to be. Also there is no case against me. I refuse to defend myself against the ignorant uninformed opinion of a bunch of riotters. This is no way to play mafia. You have to look at the intricacies and not follow the mob rule that is usually driven by scum. I leave you sheep to your fate.

My reads so far is that ET austin hiro and kush are town. I honestly don't know anymore about ON cuz I would expect him to try to at least keep apearances as scum.
This djodref is either very dumb or scum. You would never as town (and inteligent) feel that a person that is standing up to you against the majority trying to lynch would be scum. Prpl and mementos are prob scum.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 13 2012 07:06 GMT
#563
Prplhz: Well for one thing he still has 8 of his votes... I'm suspicious of people that still have thay many votes at this point. People who care about the lynch (aka townies) will use their votes to push their reads, so when I see that someone still has a lot of votes it makes me think they do not have an interest in pushing lynch candidates. And off the top of my memory I can't remember any of the stances prplhz has taken... the most I can remember about him is that he just kinda blends in by asking short questions that he rarely follows up on..... which is pretty scummy. I'm not aware of his meta so I have no comments on that part.

Oh and same goes for Austin.. that dude has 9 votes and all I've seen from him lately are weird hypothetical questions... I stated earlier that I want him to share some scumreads. I think I know his town meta pretty well... he likes writing epic walls of texts where he spells out his thoughts on pretty much every aspect of the game and that's not what I'm seeing from him.

ON and da0 also have a lot of votes but they are either so afk or so noob that my read on them is null.

Hiro I am null on. He's made some arguments that I've disagreed with but he's voiced original opinions so I haven't seen anything to point towards scum yet.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 13 2012 07:16 GMT
#564
On October 13 2012 16:00 sandroba wrote:
I'm not going to fight against this lynch. This is simply too stupid to fight over and I don't feel like it. If you people stopped one second to look at this thread you would come to realise that is simply no way I'm scum purely based on how this situation came to be. Also there is no case against me. I refuse to defend myself against the ignorant uninformed opinion of a bunch of riotters. This is no way to play mafia. You have to look at the intricacies and not follow the mob rule that is usually driven by scum. I leave you sheep to your fate.

My reads so far is that ET austin hiro and kush are town. I honestly don't know anymore about ON cuz I would expect him to try to at least keep apearances as scum.
This djodref is either very dumb or scum. You would never as town (and inteligent) feel that a person that is standing up to you against the majority trying to lynch would be scum. Prpl and mementos are prob scum.


You've been pushed through the bracket for having a top scum read you never talked about or voted for (prplhz) and for not explaining your hunch on the d vs d MU, as well as not caring enough about that hunch (which you said you have faith in) to vote do0 through, and since then all you've done is throw votes on ON who is the easiest and least controversial player to talk about.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 13 2012 07:29 GMT
#565
On October 13 2012 16:00 sandroba wrote:
I'm not going to fight against this lynch. This is simply too stupid to fight over and I don't feel like it. If you people stopped one second to look at this thread you would come to realise that is simply no way I'm scum purely based on how this situation came to be. Also there is no case against me. I refuse to defend myself against the ignorant uninformed opinion of a bunch of riotters. This is no way to play mafia. You have to look at the intricacies and not follow the mob rule that is usually driven by scum. I leave you sheep to your fate.

My reads so far is that ET austin hiro and kush are town. I honestly don't know anymore about ON cuz I would expect him to try to at least keep apearances as scum.
This djodref is either very dumb or scum. You would never as town (and inteligent) feel that a person that is standing up to you against the majority trying to lynch would be scum. Prpl and mementos are prob scum.


You did not stand up enough to prevent me from advancing iirc. And your last post looks like a caught scum trying to disrupt the town while he still can.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 13 2012 08:02 GMT
#566
I'm out and I'll be back for the lynch deadline.

By the way, I've decided to give Hopeless a second chance: he might have played scummy on purpose. But from now on, I don't want to see any scummy thing in his filter. And if it turns out that he is town, I expect him to put a lot of effort to find the scum to compensate for the confusion I've been through because of him.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 13 2012 11:24 GMT
#567
time 4 sum fun stats cuz i'm bored. votes are combined across all rounds

+ Show Spoiler +

Mememtos - 0

Hiro - 0

Austin - 0

Thrawn - 0

Sand
memtoss 2x
thrawn 2x
hopeless 3x

prplhz
thrawn 1x
djo 1x

ON
djo 1x
kush 1x
sandroba 8x
hopeless 1x
hiro 2x

da0
sandroba 2x
prplhz 1x
kush 1x

djo
memtoss 1x
austin 1x
thrawn 2x
ET 1x
hiro 1x
ON 2x
da0 1x

hopeless
djo 8x
prplhz 1x
kush 6x

ET
memtoss 1x

Hiro
kush 1x
ET 1x

kush
mementoss 1x
hiro 2x
ET 2x


sandroba is there anything you wish to talk about? I will indulge you
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 13 2012 11:25 GMT
#568
er... i will indulge in conversation with you
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 13 2012 13:43 GMT
#569
On October 13 2012 10:24 austinmcc wrote:
Mementoss. Pretend for a moment that you're Mementoss this game. (Or, if you don't have to pretend, please let us know).

You and your hypothetical scumbuddies are hanging out in QT, discussing how to play out the matchups and how you want to vote and do scummy stuff and whatnot. The following questions come up, as to how each of you wants to do things. How do you respond?

Do you guys make sure to sometimes be on opposite sides of a matchup? Or do you not care if 2 scum players vote together the entire way through D1?

Say in round 1 or round 2 there's a matchup that you want to influence, one of your scumbuddies is neck and neck with a townie. Do you just vote that matchup? Or do you vote that matchup + 1 or 2 that you don't care about, in order to hide the vote you actually want to make in with some that don't make a difference to you?

Is there any particular player you think is a likely D1 mislynch, just looking at player list and like...the first couple pages of the game. If so, who?


ET, I'd like to see your answers to those questions as well. You had some setup talk at the beginning that I liked, but I'm interested in hearing your thoughts about the setup from the perspective of you playing as ET.


Okay let me pretend to be mementoss.

1. Don't care.

2. Vote the people acting scummiest in the thread.

3. ON is a likely mislynch for lurking, and kush is a likely mislynch for his meta. (if they are town that is) aka its not hard for scum to put them through without real reasoning

I don't understand the purpose of this question though. lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
October 13 2012 13:51 GMT
#570
What is even there to talk about? Over the time I've been playing mafia I grew more and more away from hard analysis and began to use apparent integrity and sincerity of people's post as a way to tell scum and town appart. That means that the way I do it is completely subjective to what I consider to be a post (from the particular person I'm looking at) to be honest. Of course the method is not flawless and is completely dependant on my ability to make that judgement, but it served me right in the past and I see no reason to change it. From that place you can see clearly that any explanation I provide you with for my reasoning wouldn't apply to everyone and is not verifyable. What you can do is check for the same things I do. The motives and truthfulness behind my posts and see if you think I'm trying to put on a show or I'm speaking my mind without the fear of consequence. If you can make that distinction then you will have a good idea of my alignment.
The stupid exercise of breaking posts apart and endelessly saying things are "scummy" without even defining and not even knowing what scummy means is what brings this tiresome conversation that I refuse to take part of where everyone indulges each other and strikes each other's dicks.
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 13 2012 13:52 GMT
#571
prp: 8 Remain
ON: 8 Remain
da0: 9 Remain
Austin: 9 Remain

This^^ this right here is horseshit.
Apathetic voting up towards the last round is unacceptable.
I think everyone should only be using 5 of there votes
3 of these players alone trump the rest of the players in the game. Sandroba doesn't even have anyvotes to defend himself while ON has 9.

Actually, everyone should only be using 1 vote, and we can get some sort of real full out majority going where everyone is involved. For the people with 0 votes left.

##Mementoss vote "Player Name"
and I will use one of my votes towards giving you a voice in this lynch. I have a feeling scum has WAY too much control right now. But there is a possibility its too late anyways, this method should give more information to where people are at in their thought process.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 13 2012 13:53 GMT
#572
Also ET I know you explained it but its still fucking weird that you LAST MINUTE dropped all your votes on ON, after expecting him for a modkill, not having a read on him. And having a scum read on hopeless all of the first 2 cycles, you save him last minute.

Not sure which way I will be voting today yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 13 2012 13:56 GMT
#573
Also, this "playing scummy on purpose" stuff is utter bullshit. Someone realizes they have been playing shit as scum and can just use this excuse. There is no town motivation behind doing this as it confuses the town. It doesn't give you scum reads, because if you are playing scummy good town should point you out for doing it. Anyone adjusting their reads on Hopeless for this statement are clueless and should rethink their position.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 13 2012 13:59 GMT
#574
On October 13 2012 16:00 sandroba wrote:
I'm not going to fight against this lynch. This is simply too stupid to fight over and I don't feel like it. If you people stopped one second to look at this thread you would come to realise that is simply no way I'm scum purely based on how this situation came to be. Also there is no case against me. I refuse to defend myself against the ignorant uninformed opinion of a bunch of riotters. This is no way to play mafia. You have to look at the intricacies and not follow the mob rule that is usually driven by scum. I leave you sheep to your fate.

My reads so far is that ET austin hiro and kush are town. I honestly don't know anymore about ON cuz I would expect him to try to at least keep apearances as scum.
This djodref is either very dumb or scum. You would never as town (and inteligent) feel that a person that is standing up to you against the majority trying to lynch would be scum. Prpl and mementos are prob scum.


how do you get a town read on hiro and austin?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
October 13 2012 14:09 GMT
#575
On October 13 2012 05:30 HiroPro wrote:
you know what's hilarious about this?

prplhz is a guy who follows vets around whenever he play and never tries to lynch them. And I'm a person who normally doesn't really care. When prplhz is acting like this, something is up. Especially when has that pissed "i'm mad and i want you to know it" tone going on.

This is something hiropro noticed and something scum wouldn't likely point out while trying to get me lynched. Since I know I'm town it makes no sense for hiro as scum to make this statement at this point, without the outcome of me getting lynched still being up in the air and not decided. Also the comment on the tone is something that townies that are concerned with scumhunting normally look for in a post and not something scum normally tries to fake.

On October 13 2012 11:44 austinmcc wrote:
ET. Pretend for a moment that you're ET this game. (Or, if you don't have to pretend, please let us know).

You and your hypothetical scumbuddies are hanging out in QT, discussing how to play out the matchups and how you want to vote and do scummy stuff and whatnot. The following questions come up, as to how each of you wants to do things. How do you respond?

Do you guys make sure to sometimes be on opposite sides of a matchup? Or do you not care if 2 scum players vote together the entire way through D1?

Say in round 1 or round 2 there's a matchup that you want to influence, one of your scumbuddies is neck and neck with a townie. Do you just vote that matchup? Or do you vote that matchup + 1 or 2 that you don't care about, in order to hide the vote you actually want to make in with some that don't make a difference to you?

Is there any particular player you think is a likely D1 mislynch, just looking at player list and like...the first couple pages of the game. If so, who?

This posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, because it's not effective, specially in this town where people can only see what is right in front of their nose.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 13 2012 14:17 GMT
#576
On October 13 2012 22:51 sandroba wrote:
What is even there to talk about? Over the time I've been playing mafia I grew more and more away from hard analysis and began to use apparent integrity and sincerity of people's post as a way to tell scum and town appart. That means that the way I do it is completely subjective to what I consider to be a post (from the particular person I'm looking at) to be honest. Of course the method is not flawless and is completely dependant on my ability to make that judgement, but it served me right in the past and I see no reason to change it. From that place you can see clearly that any explanation I provide you with for my reasoning wouldn't apply to everyone and is not verifyable. What you can do is check for the same things I do. The motives and truthfulness behind my posts and see if you think I'm trying to put on a show or I'm speaking my mind without the fear of consequence. If you can make that distinction then you will have a good idea of my alignment.
The stupid exercise of breaking posts apart and endelessly saying things are "scummy" without even defining and not even knowing what scummy means is what brings this tiresome conversation that I refuse to take part of where everyone indulges each other and strikes each other's dicks.
Sandroba, while I can see that asking you to explain yourself is immediately going to be followed by judging your explanation and whether it's townie or scummy, there's still value in explaining yourself period.

Especially, and if you're town then I'm oversimplifying here, if you look for honesty in posts and want us to gauge whether you're speaking your mind. We can't know if you're speaking your mind or being honest about your reads unless there's something beneath them and we know what that is. Saying "I think x is scum, check for what I check for to find out why" doesn't feel like speaking your mind.

Then while I was typing this out you responded to a few of the reads, so...thanks, maybe.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 13 2012 14:21 GMT
#577
On October 13 2012 22:52 Mementoss wrote:
prp: 8 Remain
ON: 8 Remain
da0: 9 Remain
Austin: 9 Remain

This^^ this right here is horseshit.
Apathetic voting up towards the last round is unacceptable.
I think everyone should only be using 5 of there votes
3 of these players alone trump the rest of the players in the game. Sandroba doesn't even have anyvotes to defend himself while ON has 9.

Actually, everyone should only be using 1 vote, and we can get some sort of real full out majority going where everyone is involved. For the people with 0 votes left.

##Mementoss vote "Player Name"
and I will use one of my votes towards giving you a voice in this lynch. I have a feeling scum has WAY too much control right now. But there is a possibility its too late anyways, this method should give more information to where people are at in their thought process.
Why is apathetic voting horseshit? Is horseshit just horseshit, or do you find it to come from a town or scum horse?

Why should everyone only be using one vote?

Why are you giving out votes to anyone with 0 votes left? I had planned to give away either blocks of 3 or blocks of 4 votes to people I strongly feel are town, but not to ANYONE, and not based on the number of votes they have left. How is having no votes a good criteria for who you want to give more control over the lynch to, instead of using a criteria like your townreads?
Fe fi fo fum.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
October 13 2012 14:31 GMT
#578
@austinmcc certainly I don't need to explain reads for you to make judgement on intent of the posts I made. And the read I deemed important aka the person I did want to lynch today at the time, I did explain my read. I don't like to make more than one case day 1 normally unless I'm extremelly confident, because scum will just jump aboard and support the one I'm wrong about. I sure wanted da0ud and prplhz to advance, but they were not my top choices for lynch at the time, so I kept my thoughts to myself as not to put up too many candidates. ON's play was the primary concern of any town day 1 and something that is better dealt with early so my focus went on him. There is not much to be said about him because he hasn't said much, but I still would lynch him over any person today.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 13 2012 14:57 GMT
#579
In the interest of moving things along due to the extended day one cycle, you may submit night actions early if you wish. When I have received all night actions, the night cycle will end.You still have a maximum of 24 hours to send them in after the day one lynch is decided.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 13 2012 14:57 GMT
#580
On October 13 2012 23:21 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 22:52 Mementoss wrote:
prp: 8 Remain
ON: 8 Remain
da0: 9 Remain
Austin: 9 Remain

This^^ this right here is horseshit.
Apathetic voting up towards the last round is unacceptable.
I think everyone should only be using 5 of there votes
3 of these players alone trump the rest of the players in the game. Sandroba doesn't even have anyvotes to defend himself while ON has 9.

Actually, everyone should only be using 1 vote, and we can get some sort of real full out majority going where everyone is involved. For the people with 0 votes left.

##Mementoss vote "Player Name"
and I will use one of my votes towards giving you a voice in this lynch. I have a feeling scum has WAY too much control right now. But there is a possibility its too late anyways, this method should give more information to where people are at in their thought process.
Why is apathetic voting horseshit? Is horseshit just horseshit, or do you find it to come from a town or scum horse?

Why should everyone only be using one vote?

Why are you giving out votes to anyone with 0 votes left? I had planned to give away either blocks of 3 or blocks of 4 votes to people I strongly feel are town, but not to ANYONE, and not based on the number of votes they have left. How is having no votes a good criteria for who you want to give more control over the lynch to, instead of using a criteria like your townreads?


what

how much info are we gunna get when half the people cant vote on the lynch, and the other half have no say in the final decision. The lynch is left up to those 4 players, and since one of them is in the hot seat. He can use 9 votes to save himself. I guess playing as passive as you and not putting any reads on anyone to too late so you don't have to vote and can sheep and holding all your votes is your strategy. I guess thats cool >_>.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
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