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On October 14 2012 09:21 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 03:46 austinmcc wrote:On October 14 2012 03:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin are your votes for ON more because you think he's the scummier candidate, or because you are more afraid of sandroba being town and you wouldnt want to lose a town sandroba?
IMO sandroba is scummier than ON, but I am also a coward and I have no problems with a policy lynch... and when you think about it, ON is the perfect policy lynch candidate if there ever was one. I don't want to lose a town sandroba. I'm not convinced either way on his alignment, and he's a big asset if he's town. But I don't want to deal with either having him around late game after this D1, OR having to deal with a replacement catching up on 96 hours and then us having to read the replacement while not having much to go off of from ON's time in thread. To the extent that voting ON for concerns other than "ON scummiest" is a policy lynch, then yeah, I'm in favor of policy lynching him. Right now it's more just weighing what I think of each vs what they each bring. If I'm not convinced on either's alignment, then I'd rather take the chance that we have townsandroba who's useful than townON who isn't right now. If all this meta talk is true, scumsandroba is not particular active and nasty, whereas VE is the first replacement, and I feel like scumVE replacing in for ON might be nastier. So...I'd rather have townsand over townON. I'd rather have scumON dead than scumsand D1. Based on that, I'd rather flip ON if I'm not sure about the two of them. I've found some holes in your reasoning. Did you consider the case where ON is scum and Sandro town and the case where ON is town and Sandro is scum ? Oh i'm not saying they're both town or both scum.
It's more just ... if we're going to kill one, and I don't really think either is super scummy, I'd rather take the safer lynch. I want a townsand around more, and I want a scumON around less, so ... I'm more willing to lynch ON.
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A non-defense is just that: not a defense. Like, I don't care about defense at all I just wanted him to show that he was townie and what I saw in that post was him saying "I'm not going to make an attempt at showing you that I'm a townie".
Then he proceeded to actually post stuff. I just think that it was lacklustre but I wont claim that I would understand everything townie sandroba says all the time.
If you think sandroba has a higher chance of flipping scum then why did you remove your votes?
Like, I probably shouldn't say this but what makes me a little worried is how scum aren't counter pushing OriginalName. sandroba is absolutely not indefensible and OriginalName is an easy target. Why aren't scum counter pushing OriginalName?
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austin what do you make of sand's "omg you guys suck so bad i'm not going to try" defense?
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On October 14 2012 04:36 prplhz wrote:
I'm here and kind of up to date.
Someone asked for some more transparency from me so I'm going to say that I agree with EchelonTee's assessment that Hopeless1der is probably town.
Yeah, I've also asked you for longer posts but I still can wait a little.
Regarding Hopeless, I still have some doubts but him "breadcrumbing" his plan with the following quote and his defense of my case make some sense.
On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
I realize I'm not giving people much to work with, but I'll deal with that later.
@Hopeless
Regarding the part in bold font in the spoilered post from you, was it also a reference to your plan ?
+ Show Spoiler +On October 11 2012 23:55 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 22:34 Djodref wrote:And one last thing before studying the MUs. @HopelessOn October 11 2012 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
/snip
I'll ask again since no one responded last time:
WILL YOU BE AVAILABLE AROUND THE DEADLINE (YES/NO)? PLEASE SELECT ONE RESPONSE.
Hopeless1der: Yes
Deadline is 11am for me and I have a meeting starting at 9am which should end my business trip. So I'm either going to be in meeting or on the way back to Seoul for the deadline. In the latter case, I should be able to check the thread with my phone. Now that I have answered your question, I would really like you to answer mine: Why are so concerned by people being around at deadline or not ? What are you trying to achieve exactly ? There is usually a panic towards the end of a day to consolidate votes and have crazy things happen during the final hours. With this lynch mechanic, there isn't enough time to properly consolidate and I think knowing who is willing and able to be active during the deadline is very beneficial to town. Case in point, go look at the way I voted and my concern makes much more sense. I asked for people's deadline schedules again because 7 out of 11 players (not counting myself) posted without acknowledging the question. There seems to be a severe lack of reading comprehension going on in this thread. da0ud is evidently foreign enough that he gets a pass. The rest of you bastards, not so much. What I'm trying to achieve is using my votes in the most efficient way possible to maximize town's advantage this cycle. This, of course, assumes I'm town. I'll explain my reasoning later if necessary.Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 21:00 Mementoss wrote:On October 11 2012 20:59 thrawn2112 wrote:On October 11 2012 20:56 Mementoss wrote:
It bothers me that these 3 players have the most power in town
ON
Hopeless
Da0
None of them used any votes officially, and all have 10 votes remaining. Coming down to the wire any one of them as scum could sway the results. If they're scum and that's their plan then they're pretty stupid because they'd be put in the spotlight for doing that. Not all 3, but it is very possible for one of them to be scum, gaining 2 extra votes after the first round could prove to be a great advantage. Mementoss, I get that you're suspicious of people having all their votes, but can you look over how I (un)voted and tell me if you think I'm scummy because of it?
OriginalName, you still havent addressed why you felt you needed two votes on djodref, ESPECIALLY when he was already leading his matchup. You were literally throwing away votes.
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On October 14 2012 09:30 prplhz wrote:
A non-defense is just that: not a defense. Like, I don't care about defense at all I just wanted him to show that he was townie and what I saw in that post was him saying "I'm not going to make an attempt at showing you that I'm a townie".
Then he proceeded to actually post stuff. I just think that it was lacklustre but I wont claim that I would understand everything townie sandroba says all the time.
If you think sandroba has a higher chance of flipping scum then why did you remove your votes?
Like, I probably shouldn't say this but what makes me a little worried is how scum aren't counter pushing OriginalName. sandroba is absolutely not indefensible and OriginalName is an easy target. Why aren't scum counter pushing OriginalName?
Because I'm still considering a policy lynch. Having a scumread on sandroba doesn't automatically trump a null read on ON. And if I'm wrong about sand then that would be a great loss to town.
btw what is your read on memtoss?
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On October 14 2012 09:37 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 09:30 prplhz wrote:
A non-defense is just that: not a defense. Like, I don't care about defense at all I just wanted him to show that he was townie and what I saw in that post was him saying "I'm not going to make an attempt at showing you that I'm a townie".
Then he proceeded to actually post stuff. I just think that it was lacklustre but I wont claim that I would understand everything townie sandroba says all the time.
If you think sandroba has a higher chance of flipping scum then why did you remove your votes?
Like, I probably shouldn't say this but what makes me a little worried is how scum aren't counter pushing OriginalName. sandroba is absolutely not indefensible and OriginalName is an easy target. Why aren't scum counter pushing OriginalName? Because I'm still considering a policy lynch. Having a scumread on sandroba doesn't automatically trump a null read on ON. And if I'm wrong about sand then that would be a great loss to town. btw what is your read on memtoss?
dude i don't give two fucks about mementoss until after deadline
why didn't scum counter push originalname?
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On October 14 2012 09:40 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 09:37 thrawn2112 wrote:On October 14 2012 09:30 prplhz wrote:
A non-defense is just that: not a defense. Like, I don't care about defense at all I just wanted him to show that he was townie and what I saw in that post was him saying "I'm not going to make an attempt at showing you that I'm a townie".
Then he proceeded to actually post stuff. I just think that it was lacklustre but I wont claim that I would understand everything townie sandroba says all the time.
If you think sandroba has a higher chance of flipping scum then why did you remove your votes?
Like, I probably shouldn't say this but what makes me a little worried is how scum aren't counter pushing OriginalName. sandroba is absolutely not indefensible and OriginalName is an easy target. Why aren't scum counter pushing OriginalName? Because I'm still considering a policy lynch. Having a scumread on sandroba doesn't automatically trump a null read on ON. And if I'm wrong about sand then that would be a great loss to town. btw what is your read on memtoss? dude i don't give two fucks about mementoss until after deadline why didn't scum counter push originalname?
lol look at those two lines in your post.... do you not see how they are connected?
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On October 14 2012 09:43 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 09:40 prplhz wrote:On October 14 2012 09:37 thrawn2112 wrote:On October 14 2012 09:30 prplhz wrote:
A non-defense is just that: not a defense. Like, I don't care about defense at all I just wanted him to show that he was townie and what I saw in that post was him saying "I'm not going to make an attempt at showing you that I'm a townie".
Then he proceeded to actually post stuff. I just think that it was lacklustre but I wont claim that I would understand everything townie sandroba says all the time.
If you think sandroba has a higher chance of flipping scum then why did you remove your votes?
Like, I probably shouldn't say this but what makes me a little worried is how scum aren't counter pushing OriginalName. sandroba is absolutely not indefensible and OriginalName is an easy target. Why aren't scum counter pushing OriginalName? Because I'm still considering a policy lynch. Having a scumread on sandroba doesn't automatically trump a null read on ON. And if I'm wrong about sand then that would be a great loss to town. btw what is your read on memtoss? dude i don't give two fucks about mementoss until after deadline why didn't scum counter push originalname? lol look at those two lines in your post.... do you not see how they are connected?
no explain it to me
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did mementoss push originalname?
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ofc it's a crazy association before flip question but i found it odd that you'd say ON didn't get counter pushed when memtoss and austin both have votes on him.
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but anyway that's beside the point. you yourself said that you dislike lynching vets D1 so why is sand the exception this game?
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On October 14 2012 09:28 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 09:21 Djodref wrote:On October 14 2012 03:46 austinmcc wrote:On October 14 2012 03:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin are your votes for ON more because you think he's the scummier candidate, or because you are more afraid of sandroba being town and you wouldnt want to lose a town sandroba?
IMO sandroba is scummier than ON, but I am also a coward and I have no problems with a policy lynch... and when you think about it, ON is the perfect policy lynch candidate if there ever was one. I don't want to lose a town sandroba. I'm not convinced either way on his alignment, and he's a big asset if he's town. But I don't want to deal with either having him around late game after this D1, OR having to deal with a replacement catching up on 96 hours and then us having to read the replacement while not having much to go off of from ON's time in thread. To the extent that voting ON for concerns other than "ON scummiest" is a policy lynch, then yeah, I'm in favor of policy lynching him. Right now it's more just weighing what I think of each vs what they each bring. If I'm not convinced on either's alignment, then I'd rather take the chance that we have townsandroba who's useful than townON who isn't right now. If all this meta talk is true, scumsandroba is not particular active and nasty, whereas VE is the first replacement, and I feel like scumVE replacing in for ON might be nastier. So...I'd rather have townsand over townON. I'd rather have scumON dead than scumsand D1. Based on that, I'd rather flip ON if I'm not sure about the two of them. I've found some holes in your reasoning. Did you consider the case where ON is scum and Sandro town and the case where ON is town and Sandro is scum ? Oh i'm not saying they're both town or both scum. It's more just ... if we're going to kill one, and I don't really think either is super scummy, I'd rather take the safer lynch. I want a townsand around more, and I want a scumON around less, so ... I'm more willing to lynch ON.
Ok, I see. I had a little misunderstanding here.
By the way if you don't really think either is super scummy, it's too bad you didn't use your votes to make scummier people advance in the previous stages then  (it's just a joke, I've seen your explanations for it)
Personally, I would still vote for Sandroba if I could but I guess it depends on your level of conviction for him to be scum.
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Why are no scum stepping up for sandroba?
Sandroba is notoriously bad as scum. If he is scum, the longer the game goes, the clearer that will become. I don't think scum would risk trying to defend him. They would see him as a lost cause.
But that brings up a separate point. If he is scum, according to his meta, the scumminess will just become more obvious as the game progresses, as he will continue to mostly afk.
Really want to hear from ET since he is seems confident in being to read sands meta.
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On October 14 2012 09:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin what do you make of sand's "omg you guys suck so bad i'm not going to try" defense?
On October 13 2012 16:00 sandroba wrote:
I'm not going to fight against this lynch. This is simply too stupid to fight over and I don't feel like it. If you people stopped one second to look at this thread you would come to realise that is simply no way I'm scum purely based on how this situation came to be. Also there is no case against me. I refuse to defend myself against the ignorant uninformed opinion of a bunch of riotters. This is no way to play mafia. You have to look at the intricacies and not follow the mob rule that is usually driven by scum. I leave you sheep to your fate.
My reads so far is that ET austin hiro and kush are town. I honestly don't know anymore about ON cuz I would expect him to try to at least keep apearances as scum.
This djodref is either very dumb or scum. You would never as town (and inteligent) feel that a person that is standing up to you against the majority trying to lynch would be scum. Prpl and mementos are prob scum.
It's odd. So angry over not being lynched, just moving on one round. Hangover anger?
He's correct that there wasn't much case on him. kush is either townie or just doing a nice job avoiding his usual style in order to seem that way, so, at least from my point of view, I didn't want kush to advance and I wanted to pressure sandroba with moving through another round.
To some extent, sandroba responded to that pressure by giving out some reads. He drops a bunch of names, but provided a little reasoning later on Hiro and I. I THINK I like that part of his angry defense? I think that makes me lean town on him. The wishy washy part of my feeling is that he drops a list of 4 names, then explains 2 later. Maybe that's enough for us to town he actually has reasons, maybe it's covering up that he just vomited a list of names there and decided to explain one or two that he could easily explain. Leaning towards the former right now based on absolutely nothing.
It's...concerning that mementoss and prplhz keep popping up as these minor scumreads. I think you mentioned them earlier. They're on my radar as well. But we're all just dropping their names and nothing more, because we're overly focused on today's lynch. I guess i find dropping those names townie from sand, because even though they're unsubstantiated he did choose two people that I'm not townie on.
That's my too-long, entirely wishy-washy, could be x or y thoughts on his post.
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im here.
We should lynch ON. I can see sandroba getting frustrated like that as town and I honestly don't think the other stuff that people are bringing up is all that great. From what I've seen sandroba is a pretty temperamental guy and not someone prone to explaining stuff when he doesn't feel like it.
And when you have someone who is not posting at all it's better to kill them over someone who can absolutely be useful if they're town.
OriginalName x5
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Austin why haven't you used all your votes yet? I was actually in agreement with sandroba on that part. I don't see how anyone would either A not want to use all their votes or B trust anyone else in the game D1 enough to 'give' them votes
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I think I want to lynch ON... my conviction in my sand read isn't strong enough to vote him, a vet, over a complete null read.
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On October 14 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
Austin why haven't you used all your votes yet? I was actually in agreement with sandroba on that part. I don't see how anyone would either A not want to use all their votes or B trust anyone else in the game D1 enough to 'give' them votes
I'm serious about you having 3 and kush having 3. They're not...fully given away. They come at the cost of a scum and town read on players who fell out of R1 and R2. At the very least, instead of using them to control the lynch I'm trying to use them to get information and a better read on the two of you. I like that idea, seems like a fun and useful way to use them.
I'm not letting either of you have ALL my votes. And worst case, I give scum a net total of 3 votes (I'm using 3). Even if one of you is scum, that's still 6 town votes and 3 scum votes from my pool. That math sounds stupid, but it doesn't feel like even if you guys are scum that I'm handing control of the lynch over. They're really just supposed to be bait/bribery and get you guys to look at some of the folks who dropped out R1 and R2.
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Sandroba has a better chance of flipping scum...lynch sandroba.
This day has been SUPER long and he has had ample time to show us he is town. He hasn't though. His defense, non-defense, whatever you want to call it, did not convince me.
I'll go through his recent posts soon and quote some stuff. But for now I'm leaving my one measly vote on Sandroba.
@Austin if you want to give me your votes, whatever it's kind of weird but I'll take them. Put those bitches on Sandroba.
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You know what, I just don't think that OriginalName is scum. I can't see anything scummy in his posting and his complete absense from the thread is a lot more townie than it is scum. And I just can't make myself lynch someone I think is probably town.
On the other hand I keep thinking that sandroba is scum.
So it's pretty simple. I'm voting a guy I think is scum over a guy I don't think is scum.
(I already voted too I think).
Okay thrawn2112 experience doesn't matter or anything, you lynch who is scum. If sandroba is scum then we will just spend tomorrow doing the exact same thing and if he is town we might just end up doing that too. OriginalName is town because it's town like to be completely absent. Scum feel more of a responsibility to their team and that makes them show up and do something, anything, not showing up is more townie like. Of course he could just be out of interwebs but then he's going to die anyway.
sandroba is a good lynch because he is scummy. You are saying it yourself so I don't even have to convince you of this. And you lynch scummy people over people who aren't scummy. Imagine you lynch OriginalName and he flips town like you think he might just do, then we find out sandroba is scum. Why didn't you lynch sandroba? That's why you have to lynch who you think is scum.
So gogogo lynch sandroba.
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