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On October 05 2012 13:38 gonzaw wrote:/facepalm Okay, answer me this then: Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 13:17 JingleHell wrote:
I'm really tired of reminding you that my case against you is to convince others, not you. Show nested quote +by me:
You want to convince "others" that I'm scum but you are doing a very bad job, achieving the opposite of what you are looking for;and what's worse, you seem to not realize that and keep fooling yourself Why are you under the assumption that you are trying to "convince others" I'm scum when it obviously failed and you actually got suspicion on yourself from many players (like Mattchew and Crossfire, and maybe someone else)? Of course again counting the fact that you are not trying to convince anybody I'm scumYou just quote stuff I do and point out "lol obvs scum". You don't seem to try and convince anybody. Have you asked Mattchew why he thinks I'm town, argued against his points and try to convince him I'm scum? No Have you argued against any of those points austin made in his gigantic post about why I'm town and try to convince him I'm scum? No >repeat for everybody that thinks I'm town
Actually, yes, I did try to debate this, even with your specific example, and he wasn't interested in listening. Another thing you've managed to miss since you weren't worried about the thread?
I'd instantly label you as scum in any game....but again I had that gut feeling you were just that bad of a townie and got into a tunneling vision you can't get out of and you can't take a step back and think twice about it.
My gut feeling seems wrong in all these games though, so I could ignore it this time to lynch your ass if you don't start giving answers.
P.S: I'll try this to be the last post in direct response to Jingle to not shit up the thread. Jingle I already posted what I needed to post, and all you guys can see it, so put your thoughts/pressure Jingle/etc. If I keep posting surely Jingle will keep insulting me and not doing anything.
Trying to make this into me starting shit is utterly ludicrous. I'm "tunneling" (which is why I'm looking at other targets too, I suppose, asking what their townie motive for shit is?) you because I see you as scum. You started picking a fight because I wouldn't back down, and now you actually accuse ME of starting shit, and threaten to get me lynched on it, in a post where you QUOTE me demonstrating you starting the shit?
If the town doesn't see it from that, they won't see it from any other effort either.
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Oh, and when I was trying to ignore you, you wouldn't stop talking at/about me, so it's utterly laughable to try and turn ignoring me into some sort of moral high ground.
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Oh, and apparently you weren't quoting the post I thought, so me saying in a post where you QUOTE me demonstrating you starting the shit? is actually rescinded. Because despite your best efforts to show something otherwise, I want you lynched for what you HAVE done, not for what you haven't.
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On October 05 2012 13:49 gonzaw wrote:
Please make points about me being scum that don't have anything to do with you or "starting fights" with you or "insulting" you or discrediting you or "misinterpreting" you.
I won't ask you again.
You're threatening to make a case because I'm theoretically doing those things to you, irony much? If anyone who isn't you asked me, I might even put together a cute, carefully formatted case, but you can bet your ass I'll include all of the evidence, whether you like it or not.
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On October 05 2012 13:58 Keirathi wrote:
I have to admit JH, you aren't doing a good job of trying to convince the rest of the town that gonzaw is scum.
Right now, I feel like you're both shitting up the thread and both of you are looking scummy for it.
Would you prefer to see a "pretty" case against him? And now for the real question. Will you ACTUALLY read it objectively, or would I be wasting my time?
Fact, gonzaw's little "get u lynched scrub" threats don't scare me, I'm town, an all-in probably favors us. So if someone else wants it and actually plans to read it and consider it, I'll post a "proper" case. If it's just going to get dismissed out of hand, can you blame me for not wanting to waste a pisston of time?
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Gonzaw
On October 01 2012 05:19 gonzaw wrote:I'm more concerned with JingleHell at the moment: Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 09:03 JingleHell wrote:
Hello gents. Let's get some scum. This was his first post. After this I assumed he'd come with walls of text quoting everybody, asking everybody questions and trying to actively find scum. What he actually did was disappear, then come out of nowhere to park a barely-justified vote on Drazerk and disappear again. The contrast between his initial "eagerness" to catch scum and his actual behaviour is very scummy. Again, also considering the fact that he doesn't seem to care about his read on Drazerk since he immediately disappeared later instead of trying to reason his read with others or with Drazerk himself. Players that vote just for the sake of voting (and not for the sake of trying to figure out someone else's alignment) are either ultra bored/busy townies or scum. I see no indication of JingleHell being bored because of his 1st post, nor any indication of him being busy (again, because of his 1st post as well and the lack of explanation from him), so I'm going with the 3rd option here: ##Vote: JingleHellP.S: I can't be arsed to check austin/Mementos/s&b/hiro and all those people right now.
Ok, let's get this out of the way first. He accuses me of not doing shit, when he hadn't done shit at this point, and of a bad vote. The reasoning for my vote was pretty much covered after that. Of course, he still remembers my suspicion of him as being purely an OMGUS. (Hey, I've got the perfect scum plan now, accuse everybody in post number 1, then just scream OMGUS any time someone says anything against you...)
Of course, he tried to head off any response by admitting he was calling me scummy for behavior similar to his own...
On October 01 2012 05:20 gonzaw wrote:
EBWOP:
Also, I hope nobody will have the nerve of calling me hypocrite and vote me because of "me doing the same thing JingleHell is doing" or some shit like that.
I'm going to study for my test, but I'll be around, so I'll answer any questions you guys have and try to be here and not just disappear.
Here, he begins smearing me, suggesting the only options are "bad" and "scum".
On October 01 2012 06:03 gonzaw wrote:
EBWOP:
JIngle, I get the feeling you are voting Drazerk and accusing him just so you can justify doing something in this game. I don't get the feeling you are trying to figure out his alignment and convince yourself he is scum, nor I get the feeling you want to convince us he is scum so we can lynch him.
I just see you lurk, then come out of lurking to park your vote using a half-assed justification for it and then going back to lurking.
Like I said, I can only see bored/trollish/busy townies doing that (although even busy townies would try to do something else to push their read), and I don't see you being any of them.
You are too serious and "eager to catch scum" to be a bored or trollish townie (for instance I could see Nisani being a bored townie, at least at this point in the game), and again there's no indication you are busy (and again even if you were I doubt you'd act like you did).
So where does that leave you? As scum unfortunately, unless someone can figure out some town motivation for Jingle's behaviour.
Absolutes like that are completely stupid.
On October 01 2012 06:09 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 06:03 Keirathi wrote:On October 01 2012 05:59 gonzaw wrote:
At Keirathi:
1)Are you going to start scumhunting soon? When I feel like there's enough for me to make an actual case that I believe in. Until them, I'm content to ask questions and discuss the current goings-on in the thread to build my reads. Okay, answer me this then: 1)How do you stand in respect to Drazerk? Do you agree with Nisani/Jingle/etc about his scummy behaviour or do you think he's town or are you not sure? 2)Same about JingleHell. Do you agree with what I said about him or not? Or do you think it's not enough to judge his alignment, and if so why? 3)Do you think ghost acting like an idiot and wanting to lynch you for mind-boggling reasons makes him scum, reckless townie trying to play the "aggressive hero" role, or is not enough to judge his alignment? I'm more interested in your thought process at the moment rather than what you actually think (I want to know if you are legitimately trying to build your reads or you are scum trying to skate by without doing anything)
Of course, Gonzaw does the same shit he's picking on Keirathi for. Oh, and here's another accusation. Keirathi, might as well not make a case, he'll just write it off as OMGUS and call you bad town.
On October 01 2012 06:45 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +And I don't think your point on JingleHell is very good. I can see someone who isn't very familiar with Drazerk jumping on that. What about my other points? That Jingle comes out to post just to "appear he's contributing" and "justify himself" and seems less interested about his actual read and convincing people of it?
Hmm, I'll wait on the contributions of other people before doing anything else. I'd really like Mementos to tell us if his austin thing is getting anywhere and if he has anything else to say.
This one actually seems to directly contradict itself, accusing me of appearance of contribution, not worried about convincing people of my read... oh but he wants the contributions of others.
On October 01 2012 07:14 gonzaw wrote:
Try not to be such an asshole Jingle, it's just freaking D1.
I'm having mixed feelings about you. I don't know if this aggressive "I don't care" behaviour of yours is a ruse or if it's legit, but it's confusing me a little bit (i.e I don't know if you'd react like that as scum).
I'm not asking people to bandwagon you, and asking for opinions and stances.
If it makes you feel any better though:
##Unvote: JingleHell
Jingle, what do you think of Mementos' 1st post about Keriathi and austin and his behaviour this game?
I wouldn't mind shifting discussion towards Mementos, ghost, S&B and maybe Nisani.
Hell S&B did absolutely nothing so far, maybe Drazerk is onto something.
P.S: Also Jingle, are you seriously saying you won't accuse anybody so they don't accuse you of OMGUSing back? Are you willing to accuse any of those people you mentioned just out of spite or because you seriously think they could be scum?
Don't start acting like the world is against you when you only have 2 votes and it's 24 hours into D1.
Remember this one, since his favorite defense is that I'm OMGUSing him. Oh, and more of that talking shit and smearing.
On October 01 2012 08:47 gonzaw wrote:
Mementos, any thoughts on JingleHell and others? (like ghost for instance)?
There's a severe lack of information going on.
I'm also severely worried/disappointed in s&b. Does he act like this when he is scum? (i.e never post anything)
Yet another post of Gonzaw wanting other people's opinions to jump on board with. It's a recurring theme.
On October 01 2012 10:44 gonzaw wrote:
So....hello, anybody?
austin, why aren't you making those fluffy walls of text you make when you are town?
Why does it seem nobody cares?
Damn, what a boring game :/
If this keeps up like this I'll most likely vote S&B, or ghost (if he wasn't intentionally trolling), or Jingle (if I make up my mind about him) or Mementos/Nisani/austin/iamperfection (I have "weird" feelings about all of them but there so little to go on that I can't know for sure).
Yeah, not incredibly useful, but oh well...
Hmmm, whole fucking thread is scummy...
On October 01 2012 15:38 gonzaw wrote:
Just in case I miss it I'll make a placeholder vote on iamperfection:
##Vote: iamperfection
I don't have a strong read on him at all, but after rereading it's the strongest one I have.
None of his posts seemed to contribute at all, and even his ghost vote seemed "easy" to latch on. He doesn't have anything else to go on, so it's a safe bet I think.
Soft bus, possibly? He did unvote so he could move his "placeholder" vote once perfection had votes... if it's really a placeholder on either person why would you move it when one of them gets momentum? Awkward.
On October 01 2012 23:44 gonzaw wrote:
Yeah but ghost is not Palmar.
We all know how scum Palmar works, and that's a thing a scum Palmar would do. Is it a thing scum ghost would do?
(well, to be honest I don't remember him in any games where he was scum though)
Hmm, okay people, what do you guys think about lynching one of these guys:
JingleHell
Mementos
Nisani
CrossFire
austin
iamperfection
And if you'd switch to one of them, why would you do it?
Like I said before I have that same "weird" feeling about them, but again it seems none of them other than Mementos decided to show up to contribute at all.
It wouldn't bother me too much since it's D1, but we are getting too close to the lynch deadline and we have to choose a lynch.
We have like 0 information on the table, so it's VERY likely this lynch will be a misslynch, specially if there's some incognito scum in the group of Mementos/Hiro/Keirathi/(me lol)/etc that are driving discussion.
But fuck what else can we do, right?
I'm leaving in like 20 minutes and wondering if I should put my placeholder (or basically lynch vote) onto someone else.
I'm gonna eat now....so convince me people
Another list of half the thread as possible scum...
On October 01 2012 23:58 gonzaw wrote:
##Unvote: iamperfection
##Vote: JingleHell
I don't really buy that "the world is against me" attitude and I haven't seen any contribution from him other than his scummy read on Drazerk (maybe his unvote is not that scummy, but it's the only thing I can go on).
Take into account that's a rash vote/placeholder, but oh well.
So long people!
Here's that change from one placeholder (who flipped scum) to another one. Me. A guy who thinks he's scum.
On October 02 2012 08:45 gonzaw wrote:
Town...you impress me
Jingle is town, but he's bad. Bolded bad. Chill out, don't OMGUS, pay attention and don't get all cocky and arrogant and spam the thread with those defenses of yours.
The way you argued and interacted with people and the way you kept "shitting things up" even though it was obvious you should have stopped doing that as scum makes me think there's a chance you can be town, so take that chance and try to play better.
ghost and Nisani are likely scum I think, Mementos and Crossfire are there too.
ghost/Nisani/Mementos/Crossfire/Drazerk
I think all remaining scum are in there
Talking shit, fairly random change of opinion about Draz, who he formerly thought wasn't scum, who really wasn't doing much that could be more than a null tell, yet again accusing half the thread. (Oops, like I said, if we suspect him, must be an OMGUS!)
On October 02 2012 10:34 gonzaw wrote:
@S&B: Dude, start posting NOW or I'll do everything in my power to kill you.
If I can ever be justified in tunneling the hell out of you in any game we play together it's in this one. You only have 7 freaking posts, 4 of them having less than 3 lines.
Hmmm. He spent the entire next day on Nisani, IIRC?
On October 03 2012 11:08 gonzaw wrote:
Night Kill Speculation:
Well, let's just first assume it was a scum kill.
Seems that scum were scared they couldn't actively push Mementos because of his "town cred" of voting iamperfection first and sticking with his vote.
Sadly, he then says:
On October 03 2012 11:38 gonzaw wrote:
Scum Speculation:
Well, thank you scum for shooting a suspect instead of, let's say, Hiro or Keirathi or austin.
Huh? That makes a lot of sense...
I'm actually starting to get a headache. I'll come back to this either later tonight or tomorrow morning. That should be a good start to chew on, while glossing over a lot of the more personal reasons he's given me to enjoy watching him flip red.
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Gonzaw the Scum, Part 2
I'm sure you'll understand if I just completely ignore his "defense" of part 1 that mostly consists of him continuing to dismiss the case without actually defending shit, which I kinda expected anyways, hence why I waited until someone besides him asked for it.
On October 03 2012 11:42 gonzaw wrote:
Jingle, I just want you to answer me this:
You are willing to entertain the idea that 2 of the most active players, and most contributors (in a way) are scum but you won't entertain the idea that guys that didn't do shit on D1 or N1, where never around, didn't care about discussion or the lynch at all, and the only contribution they had was 1 post with a "list" of reads that were full of fluff aren't?
Entertain the idea please, at least so you pay attention to them. If you think they are town and me or austin scum then please state so
This was one of those non-defenses... implying active people can't be scum, and people who just post huge lists probably are. I know it's been a few posts since Part 1, but hopefully we all remember plenty of examples of Gonzaw just posting huge lists?
+ Show Spoiler [Rolefishing] +On October 03 2012 12:35 gonzaw wrote:
There wasn't a lightning rod in the last Aperture Mafia game...?
Do you at least have evidence of there being a lightning rod in any game of mafia?
It doesn't make much sense, who used it? Scum? Then they can't use any abilities on anybody and can only use them on the guy they kill.
Town? Then they can tunnel all scum actions into anybody of his choice. He's basically a vig that saves all scum KP and abilities the same night he makes a shot, and that's unbalanced as hell
3rd party? That's the only possibility I can see but it still seems like a stretch
Is there anything in particular why you mentioned that? What makes you think there could be a lightning rod? Aren't all KP/actions accounted for? Or is it because apparently Mementos didn't jail anybody? (Nisani, S&B and I think Crossfire have yet to claim though) On October 03 2012 13:06 gonzaw wrote:
If there is one and he's town he should claim, because if not he'll fuck any analysis that can be made from night actions (both kill and made by blues).
Doubt he exists anyway.
Drazerk, what do you think about what happened these past few hours? Do you agree with Jingle+Keirathi, or maybe with me, or with neither of us? On October 04 2012 02:56 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +also i've thought about it and i think that saying this is a good idea right now: my night action was successful but i don't have complete control over who it targets. Fuck I hate it when people do this. Now i have to wonder all game whether this is true or if you are scum that just took the chance to claim made a night action to misdirect people.
Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 23:07 austinmcc wrote:
On searching for roleblocked people
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? Anyone who was roleblocked shouldn't be claiming, and should easily understand this. Apparently there's a role that swaps players on the player list, and anyone who swaps into whoever Mementoss targeted's spot on the list would be JKed.
So claiming rb = probably claiming JK = giving mafia knowledge about protections. I don't see a town purpose to having that info in thread. How is the player list swapping important even if we know who Mementos jailed? Maybe I'm not understanding it fully though On October 05 2012 00:16 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm, that's interesting, S&B could be 3rd party alright.
However there wasn't any additional KP last night, so we can assume if there's a 3rd party it's not a SK kind of role right? Maybe it's more of a survivor, or like someone said a lyncher (and he has to get Drazerk lynched for instance).
I wanted to see if someone claimed JKed or shot because of this as well, to see if there are additional KPs flying around.
If the 3rd party has no KP, shouldn't we focus on killing scum that have KP?
Hmm, I'm kind of torn about it, but it does seem like Nisani scum and S&B 3rd party are possible. I just can't comprehend S&B's play this game.
Anyways, Jingle and Keirathi, you guys have effectively spend all D2 FoSing me and nothing else, and right now you are wasting your votes and not contributing at all. Wtf dudes? On October 05 2012 01:25 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm, if P-BODY claims it could go on to basically confirm both of you as town (or really bold 3rd parties), or at least put both of you into the spotlight and see if your actions at night confirm you both (if for instance you "save" another shot).
Who was your target that was shot? I don't see any reason to not claim since scum would shoot him anyways, and it may semi-confirm him as town as well (unless he was shot by a SK-type role).
When P-BODY targets player X and you target player Y, then it means both you and P-Body target both X and Y at the same time? Or did I get that wrong?
Another thing: If scum shoot you directly, do you take a hit to your "extra lives" as well? Or do you die instantly?
Hmm, well, I don't see why we shouldn't lynch Nisani today, unless in a weird state of events he claims P-Body (but I heavily doubt it).
Also, again like always I'm leaving to uni until after the deadline (cue Jingle FoSing me again). I'm leaving in about 1 hour or so.On October 05 2012 01:42 gonzaw wrote:
If P-Body claims then he couldn't have made up that stuff. That's like the easiest way to see if his claim is legit or not (P-Body should have a similar claim) On October 05 2012 01:51 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 01:48 strongandbig wrote:
Gonzaw I've said - I don't know whether or not P-BODY is town or scum or third party. I'm guessing he's town because of the flavor - I think the odds are good but I don't think it's conclusive and you can't treat it as 100% that the people claiming those are the same alignment. If someone claims P-Body it confirms both your roles. It means you weren't lying your ass out there when you are in fact "Aperture Turret Nº 2" or something like that. It proves you are ATLAS and it proves the other guy is P-BODY (and if you are both scum making a gambit, surely another ALTAS/P-BODY can claim or you'd get found out very easily) That's a lot of information that helps town tremendously, and it also puts a lot of pressure on both of you (so you keep your promises with night actions and stuff, and you keep up contributions and shit) to help us figure out your real alignments. On October 05 2012 01:53 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 01:51 Drazerk wrote:
Because role names have no say on alignment how do you not know this yet? Yeah, because GlaDOS could obviously be town. You may have been given a fake-claim as scum, it's a possibility; but if you are scum I want you to take the chance and expose yourself (even then there may be inconsistencies with what you claim and your own abilities. For instance if you claim "Companion Cube" I couldn't possibly believe you would be a vig, so we lynch you) Give us your role name Ok, I think I've made this particular point?
On October 05 2012 01:53 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 01:52 Mattchew wrote:
gonzaw how do you know the numbers of the scum team?
I'm assuming they are 3
Speaks for itself, but even I have to admit that this sort of evidence is barely damning in and of itself.
On October 05 2012 12:05 gonzaw wrote:
Yes, that's what I see now, which is why this game is giving me a headache right now.
No, Mattchew is most likely town and I don't doubt that....at least for now.
If I have to make a quick response about "who's scum" I'd have to say one of these:
Hiro-ghost-Drazerk-Jingle
But I'm not in the mood right now to start completely changing my reads on them.
Being in this situation also makes me doubt the other players still (Mattchew, austin and Crossfire).
Again, the "easiest" answer I can give you without having to drastically change my point of view is "Drazerk" and maybe "Jingle" (because honestly he's the easiest one I can FoS and just say "maybe he's that reckless as scum anyway" and brush it off).
I have to reread filters though, I can't answer anything seriously until I do. Hopefully tomorrow I have time and go to uni later in the day and not so early.
Semi-randomly suggesting which of his earlier town reads he'd throw out. Since he's suddenly running out of people he thought were scummy. Maybe he tried to hard to look town by calling people town?
On October 05 2012 13:13 gonzaw wrote:
How about we lynch you until you make that case? Does that sound good?
Remember how hard he was trying to force me making a case? You'd think he'd have more responses than "That doesn't make sense" and "You're just too shit to get it, and that's advice, not an insult" and "OMGUS". Ok, so we're pretty caught up now.
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TL;DR version, Gonzaw tries to force reactions, Gonzaw alternately suspects everyone and nobody, Gonzaw gets miffed if people ignore his accusations, then ignores other people's accusations, Gonzaw rolefishes, Gonzaw = Scum.
Make sure to read all of both parts, and check his filter for yourselves, there's so much shit in there I'm almost sure I missed stuff.
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Austin, you dug through my refurbished case on Gonzaw yet? Or Drazzy? Or anyone else, but those two have posted recently. And god knows I've been asked to give opinions on other people's reads enough this game to do it myself.
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On October 06 2012 03:33 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 03:00 Drazerk wrote:On October 06 2012 02:37 austinmcc wrote:On October 06 2012 01:49 Drazerk wrote:
Gonzaw is probably a good target if you guys are too chicken to lynch one of the Pbody/Atlas Duo If you're so worried about them not being the same alignment, why do you want to lynch "one of the duo" You seem legitimately concerned about snb, but I don't see you with a scumread on Keirathi. Given that clear preference, and given that you don't seem convinced both are the same alignment, why are you advocating lynching ONE of the duo, when a Keirathi lynch wouldn't give you any information about snb if you think they could be different alignments. Confirms the role but not the alignment if they are lying about the role well we catch 2 scum Okay. I think it's an awful idea to lynch one of them just in case they're taking that big a risk, but I see where you're coming from with that.
Ask me after the daypost, assuming we're alive, what possible scum motive I see for lynching to confirm the roles now, rather than just holding onto the knowledge and treating them as confirmed until given a reason to do otherwise. Discussing it at night would have severe anti-town potential.
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And you're right, it may entirely be too wide of a net. I actually left a lot of shit out to try and avoid diluting excessively, but I figure given that I could easily be accused of confirmation bias (which, might I add, doesn't mean I'm automatically and categorically WRONG in finding Gonzaw scummy) it's better to provide a LOT of backing, rather than looking like I'm overly cherrypicking one or two posts.
Usually, providing a LOT of raw data increases the chances of some of that data not going the direction you want. Thus, it's more fair-minded, and demonstrates that I'm not just basing my assumptions off of one or two things that, on their own, would be tiny.
Just because a lot of the individual shreds of it are small, doesn't mean they don't add up to a lot.
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Oh look, Gonzaw with ANOTHER refusal to respond to the case he begged for over and over again. And he wonders why I waited until someone else asked.
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On October 05 2012 13:13 gonzaw wrote:
How about we lynch you until you make that case? Does that sound good?
On October 05 2012 13:14 gonzaw wrote:
Hell, if I'm so "obvious" scum it should be easy as hell for you to make that case on me. If I'm scum I'm basically begging you to catch me, convince everybody I'm scum and get me lynched.
So why aren't you taking that chance? Don't you want other guys like austin/Crossfire/etc who think I'm town to realize what a scummy monster I am?
On October 05 2012 13:18 gonzaw wrote:
If you are town, make a case against me. It's what any sane townie would do in your situation (I'm "obvious scum" to you and town desperately needs a scum lynch on D3).
If you don't I'll try to get you lynched for it, it's as easy as that (to either motivate you to stop fucking around if you are town or to just get you lynched if you are scum).
Okay, that's as far as I'll go getting aggressive here, I'm past that point in my mafia career, no need to get all pissy about it.
On October 06 2012 03:56 gonzaw wrote:
I'm currently reading filters, but I'll answer some questions (I won't answer Jingle's 2nd case since I don't think there's anything to respond to):
Seriously, after all that harassment, to summarily dismiss the case (Which you did with most of the first part too, in case you'd forgotten) is completely pathetic, and doesn't exactly come off very convincing.
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On October 06 2012 04:07 gonzaw wrote:You "ignored" my defense and completely dismissed it without any good reason and your 2nd case has nothing damning at all. + Show Spoiler [defense] +This was one of those non-defenses... implying active people can't be scum, and people who just post huge lists probably are. I know it's been a few posts since Part 1, but hopefully we all remember plenty of examples of Gonzaw just posting huge lists? Not alignment-indicative Speaks for itself, but even I have to admit that this sort of evidence is barely damning in and of itself. Not alignment-indicative, even you admit it is not. Semi-randomly suggesting which of his earlier town reads he'd throw out. Since he's suddenly running out of people he thought were scummy. Maybe he tried to hard to look town by calling people town? Confirmation bias Remember how hard he was trying to force me making a case? You'd think he'd have more responses than "That doesn't make sense" and "You're just too shit to get it, and that's advice, not an insult" and "OMGUS". Ok, so we're pretty caught up now. Irrelevant, not alignment-indicative I don't see anything I did wrong. In fact I should be actually calling you out since I made a perfectly reasonable defense and you straight up ignored it to post a bunch of unrelated stuff and label it a "case" (I won't since that's not really alignment-indicative of you, at least in the context of this game).
Do you need me to quote the part of Part 1 where I straight up said I would post the other half later? Or can you find it for yourself when you're not busy dismissing the majority of my points out of hand?
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On October 06 2012 04:13 gonzaw wrote:
I did not dismiss the case, stop lying.
I see you are still convinced I'm scum and won't change your mind no matter anything I do.
Let me give you another piece advice: Step back, read filters, preferably read the thread as well and try to analyze the flow of the thread in this game and how I participated in it, with what motivation I did and what I achieved doing so
If you still think I'm scum then, well I'll be disappointed but at least I'll be somewhat relieved that you at least tried and are most likely town (if you are scum you wouldn't put that effort at all) and that you at least are trying to win this game for town (whether you are wrong about me or not).
Some choice bits from your initial "defense"... you can feel free to explain how they aren't dismissive.
I don't get what you are saying here at all.
Ehmm...I don't get this part.
Those are both dismissals. A lot of other things, you just say things like...
It's not "lol Jingle is OMGUSing me that stupid bitch". It's advice.
Advice that apparently means I was "starting a fight" with you that I still don't get at this point in time.
Still don't get it? That's writing it off, I'm pretty sure anyone who speaks English knows that that sounds hostile.
Although again....why does that make me scum?
lol no, you only were "paranoid" about me by that point, and you even posted that post after I started working on mine
There's very much an inherent dismissal in those comments. There's very little "Here's how you misunderstood me" and a whole lot of "Yeah whatever" in your "defense". The second part, you completely and literally refused to respond to.
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On October 06 2012 04:26 strongandbig wrote:
jinglehell you're far and away more hostile than he is, why are you attacking him for being hostile?
Want the link to him starting it? It was in the case, but I kind of expected everyone to ignore it, since they want to sheep the scum....
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On October 06 2012 04:36 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 04:27 JingleHell wrote:On October 06 2012 04:26 strongandbig wrote:
jinglehell you're far and away more hostile than he is, why are you attacking him for being hostile? Want the link to him starting it? It was in the case, but I kind of expected everyone to ignore it, since they want to sheep the scum.... what are you, seven? and am i your dad? idgaf who started it, you are being way more aggro than he is right now.
What are you, stupid? And am I your teacher? The person who starts shit is very relevant if ongoing hostilities are somehow going to be used as a scumtell. He got on his knees and begged for it, just like he begged for the case he ignored. Trying to make me giving him what he wanted worse than him wanting it is hysterical.
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On October 06 2012 04:41 gonzaw wrote:
Jingle, those are not points I'm "dismissing". Those are points I want you to address again since I didn't understand them...
....damn communication is sure failing hard in this game.
I had to be a little bit "agressive" in parts because that's how defending against cases works (in trying to convince you how bad your point is for instance). Everybody does it, in every single game, every time, whether town or scum or 3rd party.
You can't get butthurt over that
No, that's you dismissing them. If you don't understand the points, I can't help you in the slightest. I didn't write it for your benefit anyways, because I knew you'd do exactly that. I wrote it for Keirathi, and everyone else. The people who I need to have voting for you so we can get scum again.
If you refuse to read it, refuse to understand it, and refuse to address it, when others seem to at least grasp what I'm saying even when they disagree, it's no harm to me.
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On October 06 2012 05:07 Mattchew wrote:
I hate when people play the woe is me I think imma stop playing mafia defense as town or scum... It's terrible and makes me feel bad
Aren't you one of the ones who's wanted input on cases made from me?
Karma. Input, please. On both parts, preferably.
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On October 06 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:06 Drazerk wrote:
I actually claimed the shot before S+B claimed sorry Kei check again No you didn't? Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 01:52 strongandbig wrote:
also i've thought about it and i think that saying this is a good idea right now: my night action was successful but i don't have complete control over who it targets. I don't see you claiming the shot anywhere before that.
IIRC he did mention a night action before then, but he also said it went through and that was all he was saying.
Was ambiguous the first time.
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