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I don't see anything wrong with what I did, I can't lie and be "confident" on someone being scum when I'm not. I'll just ignore any "link" you guys think there is between me and iamperfection since it's not worth time arguing about (again, it will end up the same as Can't Believe and you guys are and will be grasping at straws). Don't ignore everything I said about Nisani either just because you think I'm being a scummy hypocrite or something (which I'm not if you actually think about it). On October 03 2012 11:48 Drazerk wrote: Also heres an idea What if there was a targetable lightning rod used last night? What do you mean? Also, I can't believe Mementos wouldn't jail anybody at all. | ||
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And I already said I don't like making those kind of connections since I'm wrong most of the time (I hope I am not this time though, but I'm not basing my case on said connection, I'm using it in a "it doesn't contradict it and would make sense" way). Please comment on Nisani and S&B, I won't let this day be you guys being blinded by "my scumminess" and not doing anything else at all. | ||
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Do you at least have evidence of there being a lightning rod in any game of mafia? It doesn't make much sense, who used it? Scum? Then they can't use any abilities on anybody and can only use them on the guy they kill. Town? Then they can tunnel all scum actions into anybody of his choice. He's basically a vig that saves all scum KP and abilities the same night he makes a shot, and that's unbalanced as hell 3rd party? That's the only possibility I can see but it still seems like a stretch Is there anything in particular why you mentioned that? What makes you think there could be a lightning rod? Aren't all KP/actions accounted for? Or is it because apparently Mementos didn't jail anybody? (Nisani, S&B and I think Crossfire have yet to claim though) | ||
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Doubt he exists anyway. Drazerk, what do you think about what happened these past few hours? Do you agree with Jingle+Keirathi, or maybe with me, or with neither of us? | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:52 strongandbig wrote: i still want to kill drazerk. can someone please explain to me why it's okay for him to play like he is? Why? You never explain exactly why you want to lynch Drazerk, you always just put some one-liners about how "he's playing a shitty game" and "he doesn't care about town". Why don't you make a case and tell us exactly why he's scum? I already explained a lot of things that made me wary of Drazerk being scum and seem more of a towntell, so why don't you go and explain to me why those things make him scum instead of town? I.E: Explain why the things he did further a scum agenda and it's not just something a town Drazerk would do that said, I think nisani is the best lynch at the moment. his filter just doesn't feel town to me, and i agree with whoever it was who said his little "i am null on iamperfection i want to hear more reads etc" thing sounds like how scum talk about each other when forced to. Why didn't you push him yesterday? You mentioned him as scummy lots of times but never paid attention to him. You aren't really caring about the game, your function is basically posting "comments" and then disappearing. You comment how you want to kill Drazerk, then disappear. You comment how Nisani is scummy, then you disappear. You are never trying to discuss anything at all. I just skimmed that game you were just misslynched, and look at that! The 1st thing you did in the whole game was start a discussion and discuss with people/interact with them. You posted coherently and legible, you don't post your trollish "posts full of one-liners" that lack proper punctuation and you don't spend 100% of your time saying "kill X" without expanding your read or explaining yourself. Really the differences in your play both these games are astonishing, do you have an explanation for that or are you just bored scum in this one? P.S: I've read your filter again and you do have 1 post where you do the "fail punctuation and post all the irrelevant thoughts I have", here Still, after and before that you showed more effort in consolidating your posts and contributing something to the game, here you havent. also i've thought about it and i think that saying this is a good idea right now: my night action was successful but i don't have complete control over who it targets. Fuck I hate it when people do this. Now i have to wonder all game whether this is true or if you are scum that just took the chance to claim made a night action to misdirect people. On October 03 2012 23:07 austinmcc wrote: On searching for roleblocked people WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? Anyone who was roleblocked shouldn't be claiming, and should easily understand this. Apparently there's a role that swaps players on the player list, and anyone who swaps into whoever Mementoss targeted's spot on the list would be JKed. So claiming rb = probably claiming JK = giving mafia knowledge about protections. I don't see a town purpose to having that info in thread. How is the player list swapping important even if we know who Mementos jailed? Maybe I'm not understanding it fully though Also austin....what else? You haven't mentioned Jingle's and Keirathi's moves against me nor my cases against S&B/Nisani On October 03 2012 14:38 Nisani201 wrote: Gonzaw I like your case on snb. However your case on me makes no sense. Mattchew you have been making a lot of sense lately. What do you think of snb? Also I still think drazerk is scum, if him or snb aren't on the same team then I'm certain they're anti-town Why does my case not make sense? Nisani, what do you think of any of the other players you haven't mentioned at all this game? (ghost, austin, Crossfire, etc) Also, what do you think of snb? PRE-EDIT: @Mattchew: What exactly makes you have a strong town-read on S&B? I'm curious. I don't think Jingle would be this aggressive and "active" as scum. He's all over the place and is making such "obvious" mistakes (going against you for shitty reasons, then tunneling me all freaking game, etc) that I doubt he'd willingly make those actions as scum. He seems much more like overconfident townie that "already figured the scum team out" and doesn't care about anything else but his ego. I don't think his attitude and activity is something he'd fake as scum. Remember that at some points he was just posting and posting and posting and posting. That'd take A LOT of trouble as scum to fake, specially if it doesn't seem to further any real scum agenda other than "keep shitting on gonzaw/Mattchew", which like I said isn't really a good scum agenda anyways. | ||
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Why are S&B and Nisani acting so similar in this game?  | ||
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On October 04 2012 03:33 Keirathi wrote: Regarding gonzaw: I just can't get over how 1) he accuses Nisani of being wishy-washy towards iamperfection and 2) says thats what what he would do as scum, when thats EXACTLY what he had done this game. When he said that, I thought "Hey, thats a reasonable thing to accuse Nisani for. Lets check gonzaw's filter and see how he interacted with iamp." And it was literally exactly the same thing he was accusing Nisani of. Like I said, I don't see anything wrong with it. If I say "Scum always say X" it doesn't mean "Townies never say X". Again, think of it as "Player Y saying X doesn't contradict him being scum, and based on pragmatics it makes him more likely to be scum based on what I found earlier" instead of "Player Y says X ↔ Player Y is scum" Also...you can't really compare what I said about iamperfection and what Nisani said as the same thing. Because really they are not, go back and reread both statements we made about him and see the difference. Here I'll make it simpler for you:
If you want to get subtle there are plenty of differences, which don't make me "scummy as fuck", or at least don't make Nisani more town (really how do you keep ignoring that?) | ||
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On October 02 2012 06:33 Nisani201 wrote: Gonzaw is someone I'm going to spend some more time looking into. Something feels off about him. You know Nisani, I would have thought you'd jump into Jingle's wagon against me based on this, but you don't even comment about it, and your last post makes it seem like you aren't even suspicious of me. Why is that? | ||
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If I start thinking about it though, he's the only option left as scum for me (other than Drazerk), so he must be scum too. But meh, I'm much more certain you are scum since I don't have anything to be "wary" about you being town, you are just not contributing and not caring but you don't even admit it (at least S&B admitted it)., which means you are trying to hide the fact that you do. Also....the point was to make the case on S&B and then say "Nisani did the same thing as S&B". I guess I should have done it the other way round? I dunno, I didn't really want to repeat myself too many times. Your "reads" were non-comittal as well (and I already mentioned it when I quoted that "contributions" post of yours). For fucks sake when will Crossfire or ghost ever come here to do something? | ||
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Nisani, if you are town you know what you should do right? I'll take your silence and lack of fighting back as surrendering as scum from now on. On October 04 2012 09:15 Crossfire99 wrote: First things, first. I will say that I still have my same town reads on Mattchew, hiro, and ghost. I explained them in an earlier post but they're basically due to day 1 voting. I still see keirathi as town as well due to activity, boldness, confidence and his posting behavior. Gonzaw, what's with this whole thing between you and jingle? I'm going to take a closer look at it, but would like to hear your opinion on it. Jingle thinks he caught scum in me at first because I was accusing him (basically it was indeed OMGUS at the beginning) and "was wishy-washy" and "didn't care about the lynch" and "he conveniently disappeared before the deadline", which he used as confirmation bias for his previous read on me and made it stronger. After that it seems he caught momentum and went all out to attack me and ignored everything else in the thread. At this point I changed my read of him to town but started discrediting him so he wouldn't start a shitstorm and bandwagon against me. After that he uses confirmation bias on anything I do, as anything I do "is claiming scum" to him by this point. It's unlikely he's scum because he's playing the "tunneling townie" part too well; and if he's town I don't think he will stop soon (at least until Nisani flips red hopefully). I'm fine with that since nobody is listening to him, so as long as he doesn't shit up the thread this is fine by me. I'd really like more contributions from him about other players (in particular Nisani/Drazerk/S&B), just in case so I get a better read of him (since there's a possibility he can be scum), but well, you see I've tried to no avail. | ||
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Also, what was exactly that made you "have a strong town-read" on him initially, and what was your thought process in this huge change of heart of yours? | ||
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Anyways, I'm happy that the 2 lynch candidates are between Nisani and S&B so I'm not complaining. Hell, like I said maybe both flip scum do today's lynch decision wouldn't even matter. However, right now we don't know their alignments so we need to take the better course of action so we have to be sure the guy we lynch is scum Mattchew, do you think that perhaps S&B is very busy or doesn't care about the game as town? He's acting "too obvious" in that aspect, he admits himself he's not caring about the game and "having an off week at mafia", and it's obvious he's not playing like he uses to when town (or maybe even when scum, but I only barely skimmed that game where he was scum). I would have thought he'd try a little bit harder as scum. On that aspect Nisani seems to be playing like I'd expect a "low-profile" scum, specially one with the style of play of Nisani | ||
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He usually seems to make those "derpy" posts where he spouts a bunch of unrelated stuff that come to his mind without punctuation and stuff as town, like this one from GSL 2: On September 27 2012 05:27 strongandbig wrote: hey okay so i just reread the whole thread it is assfuckingly short lets get some more shit out there, okay terrible mixing of metaphors there but whatever anyway here's what I think - at first I thought sinensis was scum because he's not being a huge dick but then i realized i was confusing him with sinani. there goes that whole post. so now i think ottoxlol is maybe scum because he posts a bunch of short posts but doesn't really say much of substance. austinmcc always posts like a billion things. shiaopi i am calling you out. last game we played together you derped your way through because you were blue, then you solved the game but it was too late. If you're town I call on you to play this whole game for reals even if you are blue, you've shown you can do good analysis (even if your case wasn't very well presented, you did solve the game) so people are going to want you to keep doing it now. what do you think about ottoxlol. The thing is that I never saw him doing it every single post as in this one. I remember him posting with a similar "I don't care" attitude in Can't Believe, but now that I go back and read it he was 100x times more helpful and contributed even though I found him scummy all D1/N1. The thing that bothers me is that it's possible he's legitimately busy or doesn't care as town. Seems unlikely to me but it's enough of a possibility that makes me want to lynch Nisani more. What really made me doubt lynching him was him explaining his "night action went through". I see no reason for him to do this as scum, since at some point he will have to explain what that action was and he would have to lie (unless he wants to claim he RBed or Framed someone or something like that). Why would scum give himself a burden without any reason? I did think about how he, as scum, could say that to appear more townie and fearless and make us WIFOM about it....but still, it's something that just tells me "damn this seems wrong" about lynching him. It's not enough to exonerate him or anything, it's just something that comes up that throws some doubt into all of this. Hmm, now that I think about it: S&B, can you tell us what that night action you had was? I don't know if that answer would do good or not, but if he has a shitty role with a shitty action that can be verifiable I don't see how it can hurt. If he's a town medic or something it obviously won't....but him being that seems unlikely. About Nisani, well I couldn't really say since I don't remember any games where he was town (I only remember him from Aperture where he was scum/SC). The thing is that "not being productive" is not the only thing that makes me (and others I guess) suspicious of him. It's what he has posted, how he "tried" to contribute, and how little he's been on anybody's radar, whether he's being productive or not (for instance Drazerk isn't being productive at all, yet he's not "under the radar" at all and doesn't try to blend in). Anyways, let's see what other people think. I don't think Hiro, ghost, Jingle, Drazerk nor Keirathi weighed in on Nisani nor S&B. | ||
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However there wasn't any additional KP last night, so we can assume if there's a 3rd party it's not a SK kind of role right? Maybe it's more of a survivor, or like someone said a lyncher (and he has to get Drazerk lynched for instance). I wanted to see if someone claimed JKed or shot because of this as well, to see if there are additional KPs flying around. If the 3rd party has no KP, shouldn't we focus on killing scum that have KP? Hmm, I'm kind of torn about it, but it does seem like Nisani scum and S&B 3rd party are possible. I just can't comprehend S&B's play this game. Anyways, Jingle and Keirathi, you guys have effectively spend all D2 FoSing me and nothing else, and right now you are wasting your votes and not contributing at all. Wtf dudes? | ||
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Who was your target that was shot? I don't see any reason to not claim since scum would shoot him anyways, and it may semi-confirm him as town as well (unless he was shot by a SK-type role). When P-BODY targets player X and you target player Y, then it means both you and P-Body target both X and Y at the same time? Or did I get that wrong? Another thing: If scum shoot you directly, do you take a hit to your "extra lives" as well? Or do you die instantly? Hmm, well, I don't see why we shouldn't lynch Nisani today, unless in a weird state of events he claims P-Body (but I heavily doubt it). Also, again like always I'm leaving to uni until after the deadline (cue Jingle FoSing me again). I'm leaving in about 1 hour or so. | ||
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On October 05 2012 01:31 Drazerk wrote: oh yeah 1 shot vigilante ...why didn't you claim your shot? | ||
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1-shot vigs always claim their shots since they become VTs afterwards, whether they land or not (normally they claim right before the deadline so they are confirmed). If you are scum/3rd party you could have lied when in fact you as scum/SK shot S&B's target. Or you could have just made a very bold move as SK/scum and actually shot S&B and then claimed it for some reason @S&B: Can you confirm that the shot on you was supposed to go on your target or if it went directly to you? | ||
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