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ShiaoPi
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September 25 2012 15:49 GMT
#16
On September 26 2012 00:46 Bluelightz wrote:
I can only give one fuck about this game:

FUCK THE 4 AM DEADLINE ;____;


Hahahaha :D It's 5 AM for me
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September 25 2012 16:00 GMT
#18
On September 26 2012 00:57 phagga wrote:
It's 11pm here, which is generally nice. However, I might not be around at game start tonight (bad few last nights with kids crying and stuff, need sleep urgently), so I probably won't get active until around 9 hours into the game.


obviously scum! Already piling up excuses for lack of activity!!!!!
naah just kidding!
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September 26 2012 13:22 GMT
#60
Sooo guys, just came home from uni, I'll be rereading now. Sorry was kind of a busy day.
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September 26 2012 13:52 GMT
#63
Well that was a quick read.

Some thoughts in no particular order first:
-random lynch is stupid. no need to discuss it imo
-it should be clear that if there is only one vote left to hammering someone, you should first off really think through the situation and then give appropiate reasons for the hammer. So please refrain from just sheeping in this instant majority lynch setup.
-I do not like the idea of boxer claiming day 1, and in no way does it confirm him as he could be counterclaimed by scum/boxer/crazy townie or there could be no boxer in the setup anyway. If there is a boxer claim it should be saved until it is of some real use (e.g. lylo stuff)

Now some directed stuff:
@SnB: Why did you suggest random lynch? I do not want to hear why Palmar does it in whatever other game he played. I am interested in your arguments.

@austin: There was no Boxer in GSL1, if I recall correctly it was the doc, parity cop setup.

@phagga: I don't like your opening post.

On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote:
Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.

I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.

Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?

Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.


you complain about lack of activity in this game, while having been inactive as well. You also jump on another person who has done nothing until then. The post is pretty much devoid of any meaning, besides opposition to random lynches. Nothing that screams scum right now, but still worthy to take a note of.
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September 26 2012 14:08 GMT
#67
everyone? Looked like austin and phagga to me. no one else.

Also it is useful to keep timezones in mind, no need to rage at someone not answering your question if he is asleep.
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September 27 2012 00:10 GMT
#87
@SnB:

He is as null as you can get. Nothing remarkable in his filter yet, positive thing is he is not shitting up the entire thread like last game.

Would like to get some more activity in here sooo, let's point out something that struck me as really weird:

Sinensis

How did you go from this
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On September 26 2012 10:33 strongandbig wrote:
I thought there might be enough new players in the game that the scum team wouldn't have seen palmar do it in the past and would thus take it seriously. It only needed one or two townies to go along with it to get them freaked out, but I guess the townies in this game don't know why palmar does it, either.


I asked why YOU wanted to random lynch not why Palmar sometimes random lynches. Palmar isn't even in this game. Why are you dodging? I'm not going to go searching for a random Palmar post about mafia and I'm not going to let you drop Palmar's name like that's an excuse to do something that is widely reguarded as a bad move.
[/QUOTE]
to this:

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 27 2012 03:51 Sinensis wrote:
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On September 27 2012 02:35 strongandbig wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 26 2012 17:23 Sinensis wrote:
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On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote:
Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.

I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.

Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?

Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.


I've been thinking of Boxer as a mayor type role. Claiming Day 1 is bad cause then Boxer probably dies night 1 and ESPORTS along with it. It's better to save it for later in the game when we're in a pinch.

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On September 26 2012 10:33 strongandbig wrote:
I thought there might be enough new players in the game that the scum team wouldn't have seen palmar do it in the past and would thus take it seriously. It only needed one or two townies to go along with it to get them freaked out, but I guess the townies in this game don't know why palmar does it, either.


I asked why YOU wanted to random lynch not why Palmar sometimes random lynches. Palmar isn't even in this game. Why are you dodging? I'm not going to go searching for a random Palmar post about mafia and I'm not going to let you drop Palmar's name like that's an excuse to do something that is widely reguarded as a bad move.


.... Ugh

So the thing about random lynching is you never want to actually random lynch, it doesn't give you enough info for layer. But what you can do is, if you can get a little momentum going for a random lynch, it freaks scum the fuck out if they don't know what's going on. They know that unless they fuck up, there is little chance for them to get lynched normally on day 1. The information advantage and the ability for their teammates to push other bandwagons guarantee that. So when they think a random lynch might actually happen, they start to behave weirdly and you can pick that out.


Makes sense. I'll try to remember that for future games.




when SnB basically did the same explanation twice in a row? I did not like the idea and Snb's explanation particularly either, but you are spinning 180 degrees like mad. You say it is something regarded as bad move, something you got crucified for and then it is something sane which you will remember for future games?

Also why did you call out austin for saying the random lynch idea is "stupid"? Iamperfection said it too, I did as well. So why do you FoS austin? Only for the Boxer thing? If so that would come down to personal belief as I think there would also be a time when a Boxer claim might be useful for town.

Anyway your on my watchlist now, can't yet decide between bad townie or scum. Off to uni now!
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September 27 2012 05:53 GMT
#97
on phone:
@Sinensis:
there is a crucial mistake in your thoughts regarding the boxer claims. you are assuming that the blue roles know who each other are, but they do not, therefore a boxer claim is the "easiest" fakeclaim in the world. There is no way to out a fake boxer without having other blues counterclaiming (or claiming) immediately.
Let's go through your scenarios:

3 boxer claim: I doubt that in a 9 player setup both scum would be fakeclaiming so it would probably at most be 1 scum between them. How do you plan to confirm who? We do not know if we got 1, 2 or 0 boxers, if there is a boxer he also does not know if there is another one.
2 boxer claim: The same problem, boxers don't know if there is another, other blues would know, but they would have to out themselves. How do you want to confirm the fact that there is one or more boxer without blowing the cover of our blues or lynching amongst the claimers?

I would say we discuss further the topic of boxer if a claim shows up, there is not much use to speculate around it right now.

@ottoxlol:
What is your read on SnB?
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September 27 2012 13:39 GMT
#109
@thrawn:
from what I got from the last game I played with SnB he is neither dickish nor too unclear as scum. So I would say that the remark from sinensis was unrelated to meta, especially since he was not referring to it anyway.

What strikes you as confusing in the little talk between SnB and me? I would also be interested in your read on ottoxlol.
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September 27 2012 14:07 GMT
#111
So are you pegging SnB as likely scum at the moment or just suspicious?
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September 27 2012 14:34 GMT
#117
Hmm...dunno about this vote on Thrawn yet.

Not clearly enough scum motivated in his posts until now for me to join your vote Iamperfection. Not wanting to exonerate him, but he could very well be just doing this as town.

I'm off to bed...was a long day :S
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September 28 2012 08:45 GMT
#210
On September 27 2012 23:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On September 27 2012 23:34 ShiaoPi wrote:
Hmm...dunno about this vote on Thrawn yet.

Not clearly enough scum motivated in his posts until now for me to join your vote Iamperfection. Not wanting to exonerate him, but he could very well be just doing this as town.

I'm off to bed...was a long day :S


You say there's not enough in my posts that are scum motivated for you to vote for me, so obviously you must think some things look scum motivated. What looks scummy?


First off: way too early for connection stuff, get a red flip (or any flip in that regard) first and then we get link people, but that is not necessarily a scumtrait

What I did not like was this post:

On September 26 2012 07:39 thrawn2112 wrote:

that's what i'm saying. if there's one more vote needed and you wanna make that vote, you gotta say so in advance so the guy up for lynch knows it's time to make his (potentially) last defense


While I am also of the opinion that the hammer-vote has significantly more impact in this game, there is no reason to give out "warnings" since every player should read the thread and be active anyway, looked a bit like giving potential scum more time.

Also the various nitpicking stuff. As I said it is basically things which can be interpreted as scummy but are not necessarily so.


Now on to the stuff that happened while I was busy.
First off I don't want to lynch ottox today. You might say he is scummy for not defending himself and going after other people instead, I believe it to be more a towntrait to continue scumhunting, while being under pressure by yourself. Neither do I want to lynch thrawn or austin. Now who do I want to lynch?
I got several candidates at the moment:
First off Sinensis.

It feels like his cases and suspicions are kind of forced. There was not much of a basis on his suspicions towards austin (imo) and the current target thrawn would read as null-townish to me at the moment. While he has been an active person the real amount of contribution was kind of low, I also did not like the way he kept theorizing about Boxer or not Boxer-stuff when it was not really relevant at all.

Next up phagga:

His votepost really struck me as odd.
He accuses ottox of not playing like a townie should (scumhunting, establishing own innocence) while ottox' defense was precisely scumhunting on his own terms. While it may not be that good at establishing townieness, I think it to be town to look for scum instead of defending yourself all the time.

Last but not least iamperfection should really be stepping it up.
While he did the first vote of the game, it was with rather poor reasoning imo and he has largely gone back to lurking. What are your reads at the moment iamperfection? Still want to lynch thrawn?

I'll be heading out again, but be back before I sleep. Laters!
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September 28 2012 15:19 GMT
#219
sooo I am back and I am gonna stick around for about an hour or so before sleeping and dropping my vote (sleeping at deadline).

@Iamperfection:
I do not want to lynch austin, since he reads as town to me. The thing with thrawn is, while there is some stuff that looks bad, it can also be kind of townie, so I am more for keeping him around for at least another day. Also being one of the more active persons, it should get easier to read him as the game progresses. It is poor reasoning since the derpage of doing associative tells that early could simply be town as well. Stupidity is universal and not limited to either alignment. So I do not like to kill him off that in addition to the things I mentioned already.

@Sinensis:
I read that whole dialogue, no need to remind me to do it. Still I did not like how you jumped on him. Point remains.

@phagga:
Who do you want to lynch?

@Bluelightz:
Same question as above. Who is scummiest in your opinion?
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September 28 2012 15:24 GMT
#220
Anybody here?
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September 28 2012 15:33 GMT
#222
Nice to know you are here, but I primarily want bluelightz and phagga in here right now
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September 28 2012 15:47 GMT
#224
Okay fuck this, since they are both not here and I am getting tired, let's do this the old fashioned way.

##vote: phagga

Reasons:
He has very much blended in with the thread, never took a stance that would have stood out from the general direction the thread was heading to. There is close to zero content within his posts (most are short anyway). The first longer post is the more or less useless list of timezones, he admitted himself that talking about it is a good way to appear contributing while not doing it actually.
Also look at the way he shifted his attention around, never called out somebody (besides the "lurkers" at the start) on his own, but piled up onto thrawn and ottox respectively as they started to get pressured by others. As the pressure subsides he pulls back as well.

So I wanted him to give out reads of his own, maybe a target of his own, instead of sheeping others and blending in with thread-sentiment. Looks like he is either not online right now or prefers to lurk. Since I want to sleep soon, I won't stick around all the time until he posts.

I cannot see any good town reasons for trying to blend into the thread and doing nothing besides piling up onto players already under fire. Looks incredibly scummy in trying to be on the "good" side of town, while seemingly "contributing" but actually just coasting along.

I know it's a bit late to propose a new lynch target but phagga reads red to me now.
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September 28 2012 15:49 GMT
#225
ebwop: ninja'ed by austin, brb reading
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September 28 2012 15:58 GMT
#229
Hmmm...just going by gut feeling from a single reread, it looks like two townies at each other's throats for the sake of tunneling the other. Thrawn's vote seems a bit oppurtunistic, with 3 votes there was the real possibility of ottox getting hammered with the threadsentiment at that time. especially considering the fact that thrawn had a vote on him as well (still has as a matter of fact)

Ottox' vote could be called omgus or scumhunting, it is kind of nullish. I already said that thrawn can be interpreted as scummy or townie so I am not so sure on it.
I think both of them kind of talked to each other without listening to each other, at least it reads that way to me.
As a result I dunno what to really make of it. Thrawn reads a bit as piling onto ottox while he is pressured, the votepost of his was not too informative, while ottox reads as kind of omgus. Both do not look too good in the exchange.
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September 28 2012 16:00 GMT
#230
ebwop:
To clarify, while both do not look good in that exchange, there is nothing escpecially or extraordinarily scummy within
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September 28 2012 16:14 GMT
#235
@austin:
so your verdict would be nullish?
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September 28 2012 16:19 GMT
#238
@phagga:
the bolded part is not even the main argument but whatever.
mind sharing your thoughts/reads? Preferably in a timely fashion since I do plan to sleep sometime...
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September 28 2012 16:22 GMT
#241
did thrawn just got hammered?
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September 28 2012 16:26 GMT
#244
On September 29 2012 01:24 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 01:21 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count!

Thrawn2112 (4) - iamperfection, Ottoxlol, Sinesis, strongandbig
Phagga (2) - ShiaoPi, Bluelightz
Sinensis (1) - Thrawn2112

Not Voting (2) - austinmcc, Phagga

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.



Day ends in 4.5 hours on Friday, Sep 28 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00)




Austin voted Thrawn just a minute before the votecount.
I think he is dead....
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September 28 2012 16:32 GMT
#247
lol my fail, sorry BH >_> I actually read SnB as austin....I am way too sleepy
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September 28 2012 16:52 GMT
#254
@phagga:

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:
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On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon

On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch

i will flip a coin.

heads it's me, and tails it's you?

On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho

who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.

On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying



So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.

Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?


Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw

Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.

Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.

But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?



+ Show Spoiler +
On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch

i will flip a coin.

heads it's me, and tails it's you?

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho

who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying



So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.

Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?



Looks like pounding on thrawn to me. Also regarding ottox, you mention him as bluelightz starts pressuring him.
Sleepy as fuck now, so I am off to bed. I would really like you guys to considerate a lynch on phagga, but if you do not like to do it, at least hammer someone, no lynch would be just awful.

night!
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September 29 2012 05:52 GMT
#320
hmm...I know I said hammer anyone but...why did it have to be this close on my preferred target
gg thrawn. Will be back later to give out some thoughts and read what I missed besides the flip
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September 29 2012 16:33 GMT
#329
okay I had less time than I thought I would...Just saying now before sleeping:

I gave SnB more or less a freeride for being in transit, would be interested to see more from him
phagga has kind of weakened my suspicions on him a bit, but I am still uncertain about him.
Sinensis and iamperfection are also on my watchlist. For different reasons though. Sinensis has some stuff that has been pointed out already and I am too tired right now to dig up the other things. Iamperfection deserves some closer inspection for being around quite often but not doing that much, also he started the thrawn mislynch with pretty weak reasoning.

sorry for the lack of fleshing stuff out but I am tired and heading to bed now. Hopefully I am still alive after the deadline to elaborate.
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September 29 2012 16:35 GMT
#330
ebwop: obviously I know that pointing out half of the remaining players as scummy is not really that useful but whatever.
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September 30 2012 03:26 GMT
#342
okay I am up again time to get things rolling.
GG austin

With austin's flip we have some more information regarding the setup.
If anyone has been roleblocked this night, claim please, like immediately.
The setups are already narrowed down to 2 of the possible ones, while it may be a bit futile to discuss too much setup, it helps to know the exact one. If there is no roleblock I think we can assume the boxer/doc setup.


Now towards the stuff I said just before.
Phagga has been looking better in my opinion because of his long explanatory posts. At first they looked incredibly out of character but as he seems to be consistent within them, I am kind of backing down a bit on him now.
Looking at the replacement thread it seems as if SnB is going to be replaced, as soon as the replacement is in game please give out reads and thoughts as soon as possible since SnB's lack of activity hurts the ability to read him.


@Sinensis:
You seriously would have attempted a lynch on austin today? Please give me some details in how you came to the read of a thrawn/austin-scumteam during day 1. What did you make of the fact that austin would have had to be bussing in order to make your read work.
I also want to get a damn good explanation how you go from this gem here: + Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote:
@ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.

I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play.
towards your scumread on austin you just spewed out...here for reference again: + Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2012 11:49 Sinensis wrote:
Okay I'm caught up. First thoughts: austinmcc would have been my lynch candidate today if scum hadn't whacked him last night. For one, I was convinced thrawn was scum and I was convinced austinmcc was his scum buddy and that's what this was about:

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On September 29 2012 05:14 austinmcc wrote:
Let's play a game maybe?

##Vote: phagga

Thrawn, see above. Why no suspicions on me, when I also wrote a case on you and expressed interest in voting you? Also, give phagga a look over, and try and get some thoughts on him out. I heard he's got 3 votes now and you haven't voted.

The suspense. The intrigue. Who will be lynched!?



Well none of that matters now so I'm back at square one as far as reads go. For everyone's notepads: based on what I have read, I would not have changed my vote from thrawn even if I had been in the thread. He did a bad job making himself look like town.


@iamperfection: You didn't even mention my name day 1, now I'm at the top of your reads day 2 just because I had to go to work? What made you change your mind about phagga? You never said?



Oh wait there is no explanation since you are scum, figures I guess. ##vote: Sinensis


@Iamperfection:
you say your best way to prove your innocence is to hunt scum. Then fucking do so instead of saying "wow those mia guys are bad --->scum".
I would be interested in why you think sinensis is scum, also flesh out your thoughts on SnB pleae instead of just saying he ain't around.
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ebwop:

This goes to everyone, get active and your thoughts/reads out!
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#346
WHERE IS EVERYONE ELSE????

ugh...I hate my timezone for mafiagames.
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#368
okay I was quite busy over the weekend, mid-autumn festival here. Let's get some stuff out:

@phagga:
for now I am inclined to believe his claim, if he does not end up dead next night I'll be seriously doubting him.
also in regards to sinensis and how his entire logic crumbled.

Austin would have had to be bussing for sinensis' read to work. Since he had a scumteam of austin/thrawn in mind. That obviously means that austin would have been bussing thrawn (even without a vote he was heavily inclined to lynch thrawn after I brought up phagga as target). Austin was not voting since he said he wanted as much discussion as possible, I also believe that it was quite obvious that he was town-aligned, played several games with austin already and that was like textbook town-austin. Therefore I am really having trouble to see him being read as scum by anybody. Onto the breakdown in logic.

The first quote quite clearly states that Sinensis never had austin as scumread, in the 2nd one he would have been top priority lynch suddenly. This simply does not add up.

@SnB:
Who would you want to lynch? I am having trouble establishing a read on you as well, because of lack of activity, you do remind me of LVIII though, where you flipped scum. Pleae start contributing more.

Also bluelightz, ottox and phagga:
Who do you want to lynch? Get active guys!
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@Sinensis:
I am making a huge deal out of the fact that what you posted day 1 and what you posted this day do not add up. It's clearly contradictory to say at first that the case on austin was only to get discussion and then to switch it around to have him as high scum read after he flips. It is a breakdown in logic. You have not left any hint of your suspicions on austin during day 1 and then he would have been a priority day 2?

Also in regards to austins switch. It was not having any effect in regards to the lynch. take a look at this votecount:

On September 29 2012 05:25 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count!

Thrawn2112 (4) - iamperfection, Ottoxlol, Sinesis, strongandbig
Phagga (4) - ShiaoPi, Bluelightz, austinmcc, Thrawn2112

Not Voting (1) -Phagga

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.



Day ends in 34 minutes on Friday, Sep 28 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00)



It was obvious that phagga would not get lynched. There is no reason for a hypothetical scum-austin to switch onto phagga since the hammervote would still remain with phagga and he would obviously not lynch himself. I saw the switch much more as an means to get more discussion going. From the moment where only austin and phagga had not voted it was clear that phagga was not going to die this cycle. It would have been incredibly stupid as a scum-austin to bank on the possibility of someone else than phagga switching his vote and go all-in in order to save a hypothetical scum-thrawn. I know that it is WIFOMy but still the point remains that the chance of phagga getting lynched at the point of the switch were close to 0.

Seeing you now questioning my motives seems funny to me, since I know I am town (herpa derpa). So no, my vote will not move for now.

Where the fuck is everyone else btw?
Can anyone give some more reads/thoughts out?
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#373
@bluelightz:

Anything you got from rereading?
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#375
That's the point with those 3 they are basically all lurkers for the purposes of today. I already said that I think ottox looks townish to me (at least he did day 1) but his absence is annoying. bluelightz is more or less a null-read right now. There is not much to make off and I am trying to get some answers from him (see my last post) in order to get a read on him. I also already voiced some concern on SnB, but with the general inactivity-fest this has become he (sadly) does not stand out....
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#377
So you would be willing to let Sinensis go off the hook now?
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#379
haha, I am town :>
But I doubt we could get them active by voting them...we had a blue flip in the night and a blue claim by day but still nobody is here, kind of depressing...
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#381
ottox, what is your opinion on the boxerclaim?
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@bluelightz:
since you seem to be here...who you wanna lynch?
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ebwop: I think ottox was talking about the day 1 lynch so before phagga claimed
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#386
uh..have been playing the waiting game the whole day already...fine, we got 72h days anyway
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@ottox:
Maybe I am biased since I had a early townread on austin and fail to see how others could have seen him as scum. Whatever sinensis still has to do anything this cycle beyond defending....

@bluelightz:
Hmmm, there are some things you mention, which I will have to review myself. Will be commenting in the morning since I'll be heading to bed now.
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Hey Sinensis! Mind doing scumhunting?
Who you wanna lynch?

Where the fuck is SnB?
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#411
so does anyone still care about this game?
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bluelightz is difficult to read imo and my opinion of him is not set in stone at all, but he did at least take a stance and in this inactive town that's more than most did. I already said I do not agree with his case on you, his reluctance to check the people on phagga is kind of confusing, but I can see where he is arguing from.

I responded that I might be biased because I was pretty sure on my townread on austin and did the WIFOM I posted earlier. Now onto the other things, I already changed my mind about Sinensis earlier but I wanted to see if the thread kind of wakes up.

##unvote
##Vote: Iamperfection

You might ask why. Here goes, come day 2 he says he will contribute more, what does he end up doing? calling out lurkers and sheeping the first vote that pops into the thread (mine on Sinensis). Other than that it is nothing and mostly useless. So I want to lynch him for lying and buddying up to me by sheeping my read on Sinensis.
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ebwop: also his day 1 vote on thrawn was ridiculous anyway.
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oh hai, you are here :D

It is mostly the way he responded to me. I still dislike how he vanished for now (we are fucking close to deadline) but I get a townie vibe from them.
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#419
Then give me some read besides Sinensis.
Who is your 2nd highest scumread and why?
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#420
also I think we might be heading into no-lynch since nobody is giving a fuck
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#425
I am not around for lynchtime and I'd rather be able to hammer someone right now-.-
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uuuh...nobody here again? how about phagga or sinensis????
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#427
....

I really don't feel like playing anymore, nobody seems to be making an real effort anymore. so I'll be sleeping now, gonna miss the deadline as usual and I am parking my vote on SnB maybe he posts then?

[b]##unvote
##vote: Strongandbig[/b}
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#475
hey artanis! Mind giving out reads? You are probably dead tomorrow and I would like to see something from you after you replaced in...
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Ottox, I stated multiple times that you read as town to me and bluelightz as nullish-town. I don't know how you can state that as "ignroing" your whole conversation... Also there are 2 scum my friend, so if a hypothetical scum-me/scum-iamp bussed scum-sinensis something does not add up.

Are you now saying that you have a townread on sinensis? Or scumread? your wording is stupidly ambigious...
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#482
bluelightz has been around for what feels like ages, he is always the way he is in this game imo, hard to read regardless of alignment. therefore I am giving him a null.

also ottox, if you read is null on sinensis, how can I and Iamperfection "bus" him? You are not making sense
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a lie? lol ottox how is that a lie if he posted it and meant it at that time. I wanted him to explain how he went from that post to a high-priority-scumread on austin in the span of a cycle. He explained I do not particularily like it. He still did nothing in terms of scumhunting, the only thing that was going for him was that the manner he continued to engage me with logic was rather townish. kush is at least doing scumhunting.
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#487
@bluelightz:
you are welcom to make a case one me. But do it properly then
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#496
Okay I am heading to bed soon, several things I want to get out now, in case I get shot.

If I do get shot or if artanis survives, lynch the shit out of him, there is no fucking way that scum will let confirmed townies survive. Also add that to the fact that neither phagga nor artanis have done any relevant scumhunting since claiming. Seriously if he did not claim I would have been all over him anyway....

Onto bluelightz.
I have no fucking idea right now. His latest target seems to be me, after he tunneled ottox to oblivion. I obviously don't like it and while I had a townleaning nullread on him earlier it kind of is going down the drain at the moment. He could be scum but I really do not know.

@bluelightz:
Please make a coherent case on me if you really believe me to be scum. Do not just point at me saying I am scum, without backing it up.

Sinensis/kush:
Kush is doing so much more than sinensis did, so I am a happy for that, still I would say he is pretty much linked together with Ottox.

Ottox:
Had a gutread of town on him earlier. It was just the general feel I got off his posting. What I do not like is how he is starting to discredit me and his post where he said that iamperfection and I were "bussing" sinensis makes no fucking sense. Also notice how he evaded answering my question based on the phrasing. Also his focus on bluelightz is worrying me. I kind of degraded him to nullish-scum now.

Iamperfection:
The points I raised on him are still valid, sheeping when promising scumhunting etc. . His recent post of reads is making sense, but I am still wary--->nullish

What I want to do if I survive and Artanis gets shot:
Lynch ottox, pray for red flip.

If Artanis survives he is most probably fakeclaiming scum, our cop should claim then to make sure we do not lynch wrongly, if he gets spared to give us a WIFOM-bomb to play around.
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#500
@Ottox:
Tell me what you meant with the bussing comment
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ebwop:
If I wanted to lync hyou or blue do you think I would have called both of you town for most of the game and vote for sinensis/iamp/SnB?
lol
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@Ottox:
CAN YOU PLESE ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION??????

On October 03 2012 23:01 Ottoxlol wrote:
Although I feel like scum is not commenting on me and Bluelightz because he's posting very stupid things that I just can't let go, he's a very new player so omgus all game long so we are pinned against each other and they can win easily. I will want to lynch those who almost ignore our whole conversation: Shiaopi and iamperfection. They tried to bus Sinensis with bad logic together, no one else bite so there could be something to look into.


I am asking what you meant by "bussing", first off there are only 2 scum, also that would have constituted 3 scumreads on iamp, sinensis and me. When you have been nullish on SInensis like forever and preferred to tunnel BL. What happened to your BL-read then?
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#507
That is after you started the derpfest ottox, now start answering the goddamn question
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#511
@ottox:
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY BUSSING???? Stop dodging
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#515
No, you are still circling around my question regarding how you came to 3 scumreads and what made all 3 of us scum to be bussing sinensis at that moment. Your wording directly contradicts your nullread on sinensis.

Also if you were not that focused on BL and if SnB cared we might have lynched sinensis, he had 2 votes for the most of the day
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#517
On October 04 2012 01:19 Bluelightz wrote:
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On October 04 2012 01:17 Ottoxlol wrote:
What dodging? I already said 3 times. You made a bad case and iamp jumped on then you suspect him for jumping and voting with little to no real threat to him or you or sinensis at that moment.


ShiaoPi: "Why do you think me and iamP are trying to bus Sinensis in your post???"

Is that the question?


The question is why did he use the word bus, it implies 3 scumreads in the context and he said that sinensis is null earlier and still does btw.
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#520
@Ottox:
so that is the answer? lol
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#522
The main problem is not even the 3 scum, it is the fact that you pegg your nullread as scum....
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#523
On October 04 2012 01:25 Bluelightz wrote:
Hmmmmmm.

After considering more points, I lift my decision of Ottox being not possibly town, to null. A kushm4sta and iamP team seems MUCH more reasonable.


what makes you think so?
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#529
@ottox:

Who would you lynch? Stil BL? Or Iamp or me?
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#534
I voted him temporarily during the last day, did not stick with it since noone was there to join and I was afraid of no-lynch
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#581
okay I was busy yesterday and stuff. Also busy in liquid city right now but I am severely pissed at artanis, why bother replacing in if you do not contribute anyway...

reading up to the stuff that happens right now :S
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#587
okay I really am having doubts about this but fuck it here goes the hammer:

##vote: kushm4sta

If we lose now, sorry
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#597
lolololo gotcha
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#598
kill bluelightz and gg? :D
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#602
I would say nobody in this game deserved gg "wp"
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#605
okay just a quick post for the night.

I think either ottox or I will get shot, just lynch the shit out of blue, him being absent at also tunneling ottox for a good time earlier should make him obvious as scum.
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On October 06 2012 14:31 Bluelightz wrote:
Hmmmm.

I'm thinking of iamP or ShiaoPi as last scum, no way I'm scum because scum killed Ottox probably to finger me.


.....you serious?

Where are you iamp? I would like to hammer him tonight!
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#613
they kill ottox because he was as good as confirmed town.
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#617
he led the charge on kush who kind of got a freebie from me
Also there was like 0 reason to bus (with a hypothetical scum-ottox) kush in that situation, iamperfection was close to lynch anyway.
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#619
So let the great WIFOM debate begin?

nope, not with me.

##vote: bluelightz
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#623
lol fuck iamp's vote makes me want to do this:

##unvote

does it still count or is BL dead?
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On October 07 2012 01:20 iamperfection wrote:
Shao the gg wp belongs to me


lol I knew you were just lurking around...needed something to bait you into doing scummy stuff like insta-hammer someone...BL would not believe me not being scum.
fml, stupid fucking town for not willing to lynch you at day 2
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#630
whatever fuck this town for being a shithole of inactiveness.

It's not as much "wp" to you iamp, more like town was horrendously bad in this game.
I had you on d2 but neither ottox or bl were willing to lynch you so I had to see what I can do.

Yeah I am just whining around since I was not that active either, but still FUCK THIS TOWN, losing another game were I had the scumteam earlier, I need a break after liquid city finishes, I fucking hate this game right now....

gg, thx for hosting

Are you planning to do another gsl mini BH? I really like the setup and also the insta-lynch is pretty good (with active town of course).
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#636
sorry bl, I kind of just got frustrated and fed up with this game.
Also me trying to push iamp/kush/sinensis ended up being read as "scummy" from you and ottox, so it was probably lose-lose anyway.
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#638
oh another thing, I think the long day-cycles were counter-productive. They kind of let people just cruise by without having to worry for a deadline. Probably the standard 48/24h works better to encourage more active play.
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#639
On October 07 2012 01:42 Bluelightz wrote:
Can you guys just trust me for once during LYLO or not come in with an early vote in a instant-lynch game ....

sorry, ;_;
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Last Edited: 2012-10-06 16:52:35
October 06 2012 16:51 GMT
#641
@bl:
oh right, I remember DF mafia >_>
Thought it couldnt get worse

edit:
@austin, yeah you were the only person who should have been awarded a "wp".
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