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On September 29 2012 11:54 iamperfection wrote: phagga can you please explain your thinking in detail towards the end there especially at this juncture. At that quoted point I was not thinking much anymore. My decision to hammer thrawn was already made earlier. Let's go back 15 hours. On Friday morning I read the thread with the new various posts of ottoxlol. I had seen one of his defenses following my case the night before, now there even more. I came to the conclusion that he probably was not scum, and decided to take my vote from him in the next possible. At the same time, i got suspicious of Thrawn. However, I had a busy workday and found almost no time to read through filters and make a post. At lunch I made my unvote post (unvoted ottoxlol). I continued reading through thrawns stuff, looked at in context of the thread, made notes and prepared a post. At some Point ShiaoPi called me out and then voted me. However, I did not want to throw an unfinished post out there so I just kept ignoring it for the time being and worked on my case. Now, my biggest problem was that I was unsure how to deal with the situation. I wanted to hear more of thrawn, but feared he might get hammered shortly if i voted him (3 were voting him at the time). When I was pondering what to do, snb voted him, increasing the vote count to 4, and then I knew what to do. I posted my case and gave him until deadline -1 to show up in the thread and talk about the cases that came up. At that point I was unsure how the day would end. I was willing to hammer thrawn if necessary, but would have agreed with a no-lynch if he made a good defense. bluelightz voted for me, but I needed to go home to my family, so I posted some stuff from my mobile on the train, trying to discuss the various accusations against me. Later in the thread, thrawn comes in, resignated. Now, I just want to make one thing clear: Had thrawn not shown up at pretty much the last minute, I would have hammered him there already. However, when he arrived, I wanted to give him the chance to prove his innocence. His posts show that he either has not read the whole thread or completely disagrees with some stuff I wrote. I keep having a scummy read on him. Now the situation starts to change. Austin increases the pressure on me and encourages thrawn to read my filter and vote on me, if approriate. Thrawn votes, I'm 1 vote away from getting hammered. At this point I realize that a no-lynch is the worst option. Why? Normally a nolynch is a good option if town can not agree on a lynch target and spreads their votes over 3 or 4 targets, or if the primary lynch target turns out to be incredible townie at last moment. both was not the case here. Although I started getting my doubts about thrawn, I knew that if I did not hammer him, with the information available, I would regret letting him live the next day as he still looked scummy in my opinion. Also, we have two groups, one piling votes on me, the other piling votes on thrawn. With a nolynch, I feared we would be in the exact same situation next day, arguing about me and thrawn and not get anything else done. So about 30 minutes before deadline I decided to hammer him. then it was just waiting to see if new information came available that might be useful later. This is why I waited until about 3 minutes before deadline to hammer him when I had the feeling nothing useful would come anymore. I just want to make one thing absolutely clear. The case on thrawn did not come from one moment to the other. It built up in my mind over the whole day. However, I thought it was not important to let town know I was working on a possible case, so I never wrote anything about it. This is why my case was perceived as a drastic change of mind, while in reality the whole process lasted several hours. Why did I not inform you earlier? Well, I'm reading Vers analysis on Mafia XXX, and one thing that stands out is "keep town on a need to know basis". I thought town does not need to know I'm working on this case until it is finished. That was obviously wrong. Instead I let town know of other useless stuff in the beginning of the game (see bluelightz case on me). Looks like I still have to work on that one. If you have questions, ask away. I don't know yet when I will be online again, weekends are family time and it is very unpredictable for me to say when I will be online again, but hopefully I will make to the start of the new day. | ||
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I was surprised to see that it was only us 4 who were online. It was clear that blue and shiao would not be there, but expected more of the rest to be there. @Shiao i disagree wirh your case on Sinensis, as I thought too it was scummy how Austin suddenly switched and tried to push Thrawn into voting me. I even talked to austin about it. Had austin not died at night, I would have taken a closer look at him again. | ||
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On September 30 2012 17:00 Bluelightz wrote: I'm thinking of whacking phagga in the face or looking carefully at the thrawn voters. Why? | ||
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Claiming FAQ: Question: Why did you not claim yesterday when you were in danger of being lynched? Answer: Because that claim at that time would not helped at all. To confirm me, a possible blue role or the other boxer would have had to claim to proof that I'm not fakeclaiming. I did not want the other blue/boxer to reveal himself on D1, I'd rather be mislynched. Question: Why did you not wait until Lylo? Answer: At lylo, scum can fakeclaim making it possible for town to mislynch the person who rightfully claims Boxer and lose the game. Remember, boxers don't have any night actions to speak for themself, so their word is all you got. Question: Any Breadcrumbs? Answer: No. Even if I had breadcrumb, it would have been useless in this setup. Scum knew from the beginning that there was a boxer in this setup, and they could have posted a fake breadcrumb on D1 to support their fakeclaim later. (I actually tried to come up with a clever way to breadcrumb "Lim Yo Hwan" into one of my posts, but it was too much of a hassle, so i let it be.) Question: So, what's next? Answer: Well, let's see if someone wants to counterclaim, although I doubt it. In any case, I will have a harder look at ShiaoPi and iamperfection, which I have not really checked out so far, and be hopefully back in the next ~8 hours with some more comments on possible scum reads. | ||
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On September 30 2012 12:26 ShiaoPi wrote: @Sinensis: You seriously would have attempted a lynch on austin today? Please give me some details in how you came to the read of a thrawn/austin-scumteam during day 1. What did you make of the fact that austin would have had to be bussing in order to make your read work. I also want to get a damn good explanation how you go from this gem here: + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote: @ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had. I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play. On September 30 2012 11:49 Sinensis wrote: Okay I'm caught up. First thoughts: austinmcc would have been my lynch candidate today if scum hadn't whacked him last night. For one, I was convinced thrawn was scum and I was convinced austinmcc was his scum buddy and that's what this was about: Well none of that matters now so I'm back at square one as far as reads go. For everyone's notepads: based on what I have read, I would not have changed my vote from thrawn even if I had been in the thread. He did a bad job making himself look like town. @iamperfection: You didn't even mention my name day 1, now I'm at the top of your reads day 2 just because I had to go to work? What made you change your mind about phagga? You never said? Oh wait there is no explanation since you are scum, figures I guess. ##vote: Sinensis I don't really get this. Why would Austin have had to be bussing to make Sinensis' read work, and why do you think Austins case on Thrawn (which was never followed up by vote, since that would have hammered thrawn) can not be seen as an attempt for a (theoretical) scum austin to buss his teammate? @iamperfection On September 30 2012 13:18 iamperfection wrote: thats a nice catch he had a break down in logic there. i agree that he is most likely to flip scum. ## Vote Sinesis Explain me the break down in logic, please. Perhaps I am just having a bad day, but I don't see it right now. | ||
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- Sinensis: A gut read. I still do not agree with Shiaos case, but something is creeping me out on his posting style. As I am unable to find what that is, I will do a meta check on him. - strongandbig: where is he? Although that does not necessarily make him scum. - Ottoxlol: Again. Slightly. His exchange with Bluelightz is strange. Calling his own case perfect several times although it was wrong, seems very odd. Hey Ottox, here's a hint: A perfect case always catches scum. I really want to get a better read on Sinensis, so that's where I will start Lastly, sorry for the low activity, some serious stuff is going down IRL currently. Will elaborate once game is over. | ||
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I don't want to lynch Ottox. I dont like some of his explanations, but not enough to feel his scum. I feel Snb and sInensis are abusing the low activity the most. Also: I dont like how snb has barely taken an Stances. Hes vote on thrawn is the only time he actually took a stannd somewhere, else he often writes about feelings and suspiciouns. Too unclear in his posts. Sinensis is talking a lot about mechanics, even his first vote was because of a mechanic question. I can imagine voting him, specially after falling off the radar on D2, but would prefer snb. I will not vote Bluelightz or iamp. I do not want a no lynch. ##Vote StrongandBig | ||
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I still struggle with trying to make the town more active. I tried to come up with meaningful topics for day 1 to discuss, but failed. Also, I need to cut the filler crap on my D1 posts. Obviously I was scummy although I tried hard to be the opposite. About the game, I would never have lynched Bluelightz. It was pretty obvious for me that he was more or less playing to his town meta. However, I thought the same of Iamperfect after comparing with his play in Rockband Mafia. About my D2 absence and replacement: 15 minutes after This Post I received a phone call from my stepfather. He informed me that my mother has had a cardiac arrest at night. 4 Days earlier they had removed a tumor from her throat. That night, the wound broke open again and blood got in her lung, which caused her circulation to shut down. They reanimated her immediatly, but her brain took severe damage. She died 30 hours later. So, yeah, I first thought I want to play on because it was a good distraction of all the shit going on at the time. However, I was on the road or the hospital the whole time and could only play from mobile, which sucks. Blazinghand was kind enough to offer me replacement, which I accepted. In hindsight, I should have asked for a replacement immediatly. Sorry for waiting so long. | ||
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