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I want this game to focus on scum hunting and not rely on the crutch of sifting through possible clues. We should be aware of any players who encourage using time and effort on scum hunting via clues. That being said, I'm going to quote some posts so I don't lose them. On September 30 2012 13:46 Keirathi wrote: You know what game you played well in? I'll give you a hint: we were masons together. Now, why did you play well that game? Because you were confirmed town status? No. You played well because you listened to BH about how a townie should think and act. Go back and read your conversations with him, please for the love of god. Otherwise I'm completely fine with voting you if DrH doesn't plan to modkill or replace you. Because I honestly don't want to put up with that shit for the whole game. On September 30 2012 20:03 kushm4sta wrote: I voted for shady because he called me a troll. There is no one better to vote for atm. I might as well vote for someone who was mean to me and has a history of being mean to me. Also I'm not a fan of his content. On September 30 2012 22:35 kushm4sta wrote: I apologize for my lack of specificity. I dislike his content because it is all caps nonsense. Not even proper trolling, just spam. They're not proof of alignment yet, but they give off a scummy stench. | ||
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On October 01 2012 00:21 annul wrote: KJ: people always love to tout the meme of "IGNORE CLUES; GO SCUMHUNTING YEAH!" but this is a bad plan. nobody ever says "ignore scumhunting; go clues yeah!" -- they are both perfectly valid tools to use. Well, I think that we'll have to wait and see what the nature of the clues are. I think you might remember the game I referred to but it was a long time ago. You were also mafia that game. Anyway, good to see you again! GLHF! | ||
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On October 01 2012 01:06 Keirathi wrote: @KJ: Can you tell me what is scummy about that post of mine you quoted? I mean, its one thing to say something is scummy, but you didn't give any reasoning. At the time, within the context of the game, it just seemed contrived. I read it as a mafia who was trying to sound Town. I'm not saying that you're mafia, just that the post sounded that way. | ||
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On October 01 2012 01:15 Keirathi wrote: Contrived? I have a shared history with Shady, and I wanted him to man up and play like I know that he's capable of, rather than like an ass. There's no need to be defensive. I said that the post seemed contrived, not that it was. | ||
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On October 01 2012 01:22 iamperfection wrote: Them why did you say it was contrived what was the point? What? I didn't say that it was contrived. I said it seemed contrived. The point was that it seemed contrived. | ||
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On October 01 2012 01:29 Kreb wrote: Not sure what part if what Keirathi posted was defensive. He questioned your scum-read, thats all. If anything you're sounding defensive. He asked you to back up your claim and you're the one kinda backing off making excuses it just "sounded" mafia-like but wasnt (and "seemed contrived" but not necessarily was). I'm not backing off at all. I quoted it so that I wouldn't lose it later. He asked why and I explained. Just because a post gives off a scum-tell doesn't mean that the post was made by a mafia. Town players sound scummy all the time without realizing it because we don't care how we sound. | ||
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At that point we can work on who actually cares about scum hunting and who is just pretending. | ||
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That should not be the focus of our first day. Instead, I'd like Shady to come back to the thread and give us something more concrete. Shady: what do you think about the assertion that I was being wishy-washy? Also, tell us if you have a spy read on anyone yet, who and why. | ||
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On October 01 2012 13:59 kushm4sta wrote: Chill bro lay off them f bombs. I'm playing the game. Lynching who I want to lynch. Why is this in haiku? Everyone, keep an eye on this in case it's related to his role. On October 01 2012 17:47 ShiaoPi wrote: @Shady: Mind doing stuff? Do you still want to lynch Z-boson? If so why? What makes you think that there are smurfs? Anything you want to share from reading the filters? In regards to KJ: Reading his filter it just looks messy and kind of contradictory as many already pointed out. I am not so sure if he is scum though, for all this talk of "fake"-contributions, he has done more than many other players (me included) until now. If you look at his thoughtprocess from his point of view it kind of makes sense.....Conclusively said I would point him as nullish now, need more from him to read him better. @KJ: Who do you want to lynch and why? Mementoss. Why? Because if you look through his 4 posts, it seems pretty clear that he doesn't particularly care if the Town wins. Mementoss' filter | ||
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You can see it documented at boardgamegeek if you want. There we play Spies vs Resistance. Me saying spies in a mafia game doesn't mean that I made a slip just as me saying Town doesn't mean I'm a spy in a Resistance game. Why don't you guys actually do some real analysis. Take a look at Mementoss. What's he been up to and why doesn't he care about our win condition? | ||
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On October 02 2012 02:01 austinmcc wrote: I'm voting KJ. Spies aren't mentioned anywhere. Could be third party, could be the scum team, we don't know. All I know is that's 100% not town, "spy reads." ##Vote: kingjames01 Maybe you can actually try a little bit and put together a real reason to waste your vote. This is just silly. This is your filter this game and so far you haven't done anything worthwhile: austinmcc's filter | ||
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kingjames01 - 7 votes kushm4sta - 3 votes Shady Sands - 3 votes VisceraEyes - 1 vote Unfortunately, I'm not convinced at all about kushm4sta nor Shady Sands. My vote is going on Mementoss until he starts putting some effort into the game. | ||
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On October 02 2012 02:42 austinmcc wrote: Do you find that Shady has put effort into the game? Do you find that kushm4sta's effort is doing anything positive for the game? Town players do scummy things all the time. They're getting enough pressure from the rest of the players. Until I see something tangible that I want to act on from them, I'm going to continue highlighting other players who I think are flying under the radar. I'll move my vote onto one of them if the situation is either they die or I die or if something else changes. | ||
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On October 02 2012 03:47 Risen wrote: Can you point to somewhere you reference this time spent playing The Resistance? Even without that this makes sense to me, and I don't see a reason to vote KJ over Shady simply b/c of something that IS NOT A SLIP AT ALL. The Resistance PBF Forum I played in 22, 27, 29 and hosted 31. Contrast that with the last time I played in a mafia game which was in January. | ||
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On October 02 2012 02:10 kingjames01 wrote: Maybe you can actually try a little bit and put together a real reason to waste your vote. This is just silly. This is your filter this game and so far you haven't done anything worthwhile: austinmcc's filter We should keep up the pressure on austinmcc. I was the one of the first to point it out so I don't mind repeating it. His game was very lackluster and his reason for lynching me was just an excuse to waste a vote. Keep an eye on this guy. | ||
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On October 02 2012 08:38 marvellosity wrote: Trudging through a couple filters :/ BC (or anyone who played with him), what do you make of annul? Looking at his filter I get blablabla pointlessness and his final post being: before abandoning the thread. It's a weak as shit vote and pays no heed to anything said about kush before or after that point. Otherwise known as a scummy copout. This is a good point. With annul it's kind of hard to tell usually. Sometimes mafia annul gets through the early days by flying under the radar and showing up every now and then to vote. If it continues, then I would be very wary of trusting anything he says because he is really good at amplifying flaws in logical arguments. | ||
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I'd rather kill a mafia who has actually posted instead. | ||
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On October 02 2012 09:19 annul wrote: lol wat explain to me how the premise where "annul shows up to vote and generally plays a passive game" goes to the conclusion of "therefore, be very wary of trusting anything he says?" as for my passivity, read my last like 6 game where i go hardcore aggressive as all three colors and get lynched or killed by day 2 pretty consistently. i am trying to change it up as to not have that happen to me. this is not a red tell. this is not a tell for any color. No, no. I'm not saying that you generally play a passive game. I said that when you are mafia, you sometimes play passively. It fits how you're playing so far this game but it doesn't mean you're scum. It could also mean you're Town. I don't know but we'll see what you do as the game continues forward. The next part is a warning because if you are mafia, then as the game progresses and the initial slough starts to fall away you tend to find ways to exploit unwary Town players. marvellosity asked about you and I gave him my answer. | ||
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On October 02 2012 09:51 annul wrote: KJ tell me what your interpretation is of why everyone is voting you? what reason do you think these people have? It's early in the game and the Town needs something to generate discussion. Accusations fly at the slightest provocation and scum always needs a reason to cast their vote. I don't mind being the focus of the discussion but the rationale for lynching me has been extremely shallow. At the moment, Shady Sands, myself and austinmcc are the vote leaders with 7, 4 and 3, respectively. I don't like how quiet the game has become now that Shady Sands is the leader. He isn't around to defend himself and he seems like an easy target to waste votes on. | ||
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By my count it's 7 votes for Node and 6 for Shady Sands at the moment. I'll put myself out there and add extra weight to the Node lynch. | ||
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On October 02 2012 11:15 kingjames01 wrote: Okay, I didn't like Shady Sand's lynch anyway. By my count it's 7 votes for Node and 6 for Shady Sands at the moment. I'll put myself out there and add extra weight to the Node lynch. NOTE: I was wrong. It was 7 to 5 at that time. | ||
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I wish it wasn't Node who was the lynch target because it was just too easy and there isn't very much to connect him to anybody else. | ||
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On October 02 2012 11:53 Sharrant wrote: You're right, sorry. That was an amazing misreading from me. For some reason I thought someone had brought up him being modkilled, not replaced. So... yeah, if a replacement is more likely, that makes this whole thing seem a little scummier because there's now stronger motivation for red players (supposing of course that Shady is red). I mentioned modkill earlier so you might be thinking about that post. He hasn't voted so I thought that's why he was going to be removed from the game. On October 02 2012 11:00 kingjames01 wrote: What if we switch targets and Shady Sands casts a last minute vote to avoid the modkill? | ||
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On October 02 2012 12:03 annul wrote: ....nowhere did i mention shady pushing anything? I think he means Node. | ||
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On October 02 2012 12:12 Node wrote: This is beyond ridiculous. I misinterpreted austin's post as being more about finding Shady town-ish at all. Shady's pushing had been weak, but it was certainly a shift from his earlier play -- that's what I was getting at. He was backing up his claims by contributing instead of simply running away. I just don't think that's something mafia would be willing to do. At the time I was also under the assumption that he was, you know, still playing. Which is why the second post said what it did -- I was backing off of those claims specifically because Shady was no longer contributing. And what scares me the most about this switch is how little justification everyone that's not austin is giving. Kush's is literally the definition of an OMGUS, VE just "likes a Node lynch" (yet is pestering annul for his thoughts on me)... It happens. I've done it. Look at Death Note Mini, the last game I played in. On a few days players placed votes on me, then switched off as it got closer to the deadline and I hadn't posted -- and used the exact justification that they expected me to be modkilled. Of course, it never happened. Anyways, switching my vote to Shady because apparently that might be what it takes to me from getting lynched. Well, we've got Node here now. If you guys have a real case then direct it to him and see how he responds. As far as I can tell there are no real solid candidates for a good lynch. I'll move my vote to Shady Sands to give Node some breathing room. | ||
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On October 02 2012 12:19 BroodKingEXE wrote: @Node look at the cirumstances of that lynch though. If Shady were to sneak vote he would be insta killed the next day/night. Day one votes usually end up with little to no info due to a town lynch anyway so why would he risk killing a townie for one mafia? You'd be surprised how long some of these players can hang on even when they should be insta-killed. | ||
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On October 02 2012 12:41 kushm4sta wrote: Why would you vote for a lurker who is getting replaced? It makes no sense to me. Most of shadys scuminess comes from his lurking. His troll act did not seem scummy we can agree on this. Why is he lurking and how can you be so sure that he will get replaced? | ||
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On October 02 2012 12:50 kushm4sta wrote: I urge some people to move off shady and onto node. If he is playing scum he probably wouldn't just allow himself to be replaced like this. What if we get someone super active and awesome instead of him? He's definitely going to be PROBABLY replaced, possibly modkilled. Kill node instead. Node has been after me indiscriminately. As the weakest, scummiest meta, active player I am very good scumbait..low hanging fruit. He has contributed nothing helpful in his filter. See other people's arguments. So you want us to lynch someone because he's been pushing you? That doesn't prove that he's mafia. | ||
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On October 02 2012 12:53 kushm4sta wrote: It's not about proving anyone is mafia. It's about choosing the best option. I might buy that if your main reason for targetting him is that he that he targetted you. | ||
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On October 02 2012 12:53 kushm4sta wrote: It's not about proving anyone is mafia. It's about choosing the best option. I might buy that if your main reason for targetting him wasn't that he targetted you first. | ||
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Mattchew, so after everything Day 1, your choices for scum are slOosh, BC and annul? If he survives the night, would you support a lynch of annul? | ||
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On October 03 2012 11:31 kushm4sta wrote: Are you that disconnected from this thread? IF he survives the night? How dumb would scum have to be to nk a town annul... What happens if he's vigi'd so we don't have to waste a whole day discussing his lynch? | ||
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On October 03 2012 11:42 slOosh wrote: Umm, ok. Risen can I follow you up on this post? More so the second part since it seems like you think kj is town. I don't think he's ever said that he thinks I'm Town only that he thought saying 'spy' instead of 'scum' was a lousy reason to get lynched. | ||
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