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On September 29 2012 11:28 BlackMamba24 wrote: go recruit people or you're useless how do you know im not... my bumps have acquired like 3 new people this game is gonna be super fantastic and only 10 more people can join?! better sign up quick | ||
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does anyone know what trolling is anymore? that word gets thrown around so wrongly and it makes me angry anyway annul has the only post in the thread that is worth reading | ||
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kush lets talk for a moment, tell me more about your vote on shady | ||
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On September 30 2012 15:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Tell me what you think is "extremely forced and thought out" about Shady's trolling please. Use of the word "extremely" should make that exceedingly easy to explain, so I look forward to hearing it. Shady Sands is the most suspicious person in the thread right now though. His explaination for his vote makes no sense with his explanation for his trolling, which also made no sense independantly. Think that didn't make sense? Read it again. And then go read Shady's posts. And be suspicious of him with me. Also I'd like to know what you found worth reading in annul's post. First of all, setup speculation (as the mod has pointed out) is useless. Not to mention the fact that he's trying to sell certainties rather than speculating anyway - speculation has an air of questioning and uncertainty, but annul's post brashly made assumptions based on the daypost which I find terribly suspicious. So I'd like for you to explain what you liked about it if you please. His trolling didn't read like a player just taking a piss (trying out this expression), he had to try too hard at it with and lay it on thick with the alternating caps. He did however clearly put thought into what he was typing out and didnt just type random non-sense into the thread, like how he calls out players for fluff and shit in all of his posts instead of actually trolling around like others do. This is why his trolling feels off and extremely forced, instead of light-hearted and care-free. annul's post at the time included important setup discussion that I missed in the flavor despite reading it myself. It turns out to not be true and takes away all value... I am disappointed annul didn't follow up with any discussion about the on-going game afterwards | ||
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On September 30 2012 23:18 kushm4sta wrote: That's why I said policy lynch not scum lynch. And yeah I realize this is a contradiction from saying top scumread gets vote but I don't have a top scumread so it goes to a policy vote. Also making too big of a deal of this, but I am happy to entertain any and all questions nevertheless. Question, what do you think about anyones posting... literally anyone | ||
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k awake now? what do you think of shady's shit | ||
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STOP VOTING SHADY SANDS WITH SHIT REASONING I was thinking that we should lynch Coag because he hasn't put in any effort after getting mad at Caller about his game. He got mad at Caller for not allowing him to play in a game and then joins this one and parks a vote on Shady with shitty ass reasoning. The thing holding me back on this is that this might actually be how Coag plays, and I dont think I have played with him in a real game that I remember. Austinmc hasn't contributed jack shit, which is very different from his usual productive town self Kingjames was extremely awkwardly wishy-washy with his attempt to call out keirathi. He talks about focusing on scum hunting but has spent almost all his time trying to defend and focusing on himself. His first post also reeks of scum trying to look tryhard townie. I want to a lot more from BC, his lack of contributions make me very nervous about him. ##vote kingjames01 | ||
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Do you and annul actually believe this is a scum slip. Do you both not believe that there are players that can hurt town, as town, and should be lynched? I don't care if grush, BM, or MrZentor flip town, they make the game next to impossible to win in the late game if they are alive as town or scum | ||
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also, I could get down with an austin lynch. he doesn't feel like he is hunting scum as much as he is hunting for an easy out to vote. I am willing to ##unvote for the meantime. I am caught up on the thread but don't actually understand some of the arguments. | ||
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On October 03 2012 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Someone shoot him. We can lynch Node easier than Annul, and I want them both dead. Medics, on me and marv. DTs, on BC and Mattchew. We totally got this. I am down with this plan | ||
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On October 03 2012 06:13 marvellosity wrote: austin: that's because you always play so fking scummy for most of day 1 dear. iamp: you may only use the term if you bring with it the sense of arrogance I use it with. Anyway, Mattchew, come talk to me about your play, it's looking pretty damn scummy to me right now, especially after the first half of Day 1. You voted kj yesterday lunchtime or so, and we have this post: You 'unvote' here in the thread but you do no such thing in the Voting Thread. You also say you're down for an austin lynch here, but you never elaborate on this again, instead going on with: You don't talk about austin anymore at all, and instead casually suggest lynching slOosh. Except you never seem serious about it, you're just dropping his name there and off you go, not to be heard of again during the Day. You're gonna have to explain pretty well what you were thinking here as it looks scummy as shit to me. Posting for the sake of posting and not taking actually taking any real stances. Absolutely nothing to say on how the lynch went down or anything pertinent at all. Scum bro? I wasn't around for when the lynch went down. Sloosh should still be lynched, do you disagree with my assessment of it or just my lack of pushing it? I didn't think that shady did anything (other than come back last minute to the thread) that warranted him being lynched, but because of so many people getting away with little to no information about why their vote was on him or node, I struggle to find the difference there between bad town and scum. Forgot to unvote, woulda ended up not voting (which is basically what I did). Honestly I just had a really bad day 1 and was not able to really get a strong read on anyone through just overall reading, and then when I looked at sloosh I was away for when I should have been pushing him. Anyway lets chat about sloosh, BC and annul. These are the players that feel weird. Sloosh seems to be struggling to post, and seems like he is struggling to type out his thoughts. I think this is because he is scum. I was easy to make a case on because I played like shit day 1. He skews the truth in his case about me when he mentions my stop voting shady sands point. I was clearly saying this to the people that at that moment were voting shady which there were still a lot of at that time (in this thread and +2 to the voting thread). I was also not saying what alignment Shady was, I was just saying that at that time votes on him were stupid. BC reminds me a lot of foolish playing in Bureaucracy. He knows that a lot is expected of him which makes it really really hard for him to post a lot. He is focusing in on people here and there while not actively driving discussion and calling out bad play. His posting looks really weak for a normally very confident player, and the % of fluff/bs to actual content in his filter is not up to his town-standards Annul, his 5 page filter has nothing of actual value in terms of reasoning, scum-hunting, or explaining his thought process. He also was extremely active in the hours leading up the lynch and ended up pushing no candidate. Here is annul's last scum game filter, I feel it reads very very similar to his filter this game (link plz click) | ||
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On October 03 2012 08:09 marvellosity wrote: Yes, that's one way to look at it; on the flip side, the right thing for austin to do as townie is to make reads and push things like he did, and like Node very much did not. How are you reading the both of them? I find austin quite townie now. talismania - What is your current read on VE? Do you still think he is scum? why you no talk to me after i answer you nicely | ||
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On October 03 2012 08:22 marvellosity wrote: Mattchew: I think you're nitpicking at slOosh's case when the main thrust of it was similar to what I wrote. Coming back with nice paragraphs about how things went down Day 1 after the fact is very nice and all, but it's all after the fact, when it's a bit late. Somewhat nullish on slOosh because I want him to post more, but he shared similar views to me on you. With BC, I don't like how he came in, contributed, and left, but that doesn't seem that unusual. When he was here he seemed concerned with actually finding scum, whereas my memory of seeing him play scum last is that he didn't focus on that at all. Comparing him to a different player in Bureaucracy doesn't seem relevant. And yeah, annul is definitely scummy. I detest him objecting to pretty much every candidate just on the way the wagon went and not pushing people properly himself. nice paragraphs about yesterday? i merely answered your questions | ||
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sloosh you gotta be kidding me | ||
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scum find it hard to troll because they are extremely aware of how they post in the thread. normally if shady had not made his post pre-game about trolling, he would be scum 9 outta 10 times. Because of his pre-game post, it makes his trolling non-alignment telling because he was probably going to troll regardless of his alignment. Its not wishy-washy its my thought process. What is scummy about me expressing my thoughts on the matter again? | ||
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On October 06 2012 06:36 Promethelax wrote: sorry for triple post, Matt's town read on VE I realized I should have cited this right after I hit post. i didn't call VE town. I just felt marv's relationship with him was off. i thought marv had a strong town read on him, it turns out he was just scum. | ||
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##Vote Kushm4sta | ||
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but srsly has anything posted other than ve's claim been useful? and sloosh is clearly scum trying to earlier push the BC 3rd party lynch | ||
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On October 10 2012 22:28 Kreb wrote: Are you trying to say you dont see the benefits of keeping the discussion active? i see the benefits, i don't think you see how unrealistic and hard it is to get real discussion going when the biggest threat is the mighty feared FOS | ||
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Inb4 you called out BC too.. I haven't been reading as much as sloosh | ||
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ps. i am back pps. kush flipping town changes shit | ||
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On October 12 2012 12:26 Coagulation wrote: Mattchew omgus | ||
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On October 12 2012 12:28 Coagulation wrote: possibly ShiaoPi and sloosh but mostly mattchew mattchew only comes into the thread long enough to go "lol why am i scum" and then vanishes for long periods of time. doesnt really do shit. doesnt really seem like hes trying to figure out whats going on. doesnt seem to care about the game but hes clearly being motivated to post and vote. clearly being motivated to vote... lol how many lynches this game have been "figured out" and based on anything anyone has posted? | ||
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sorry that was meant to be literal. like coag, you suck + Show Spoiler + (<3 jkjkjk or w.e insecure people say when they don't know how to use sarcasm) | ||
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On October 12 2012 12:32 Coagulation wrote: so what your saying is "no one else is scum hunting so why should I?" what i am saying is that scum hunting has had minimal impact on the game. | ||
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On October 12 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: What is your point Mattchew? that the point that i haven't participated is moot when on day 1 i did participate (albeit not as much as I may have liked) and that days 2,3,4 were jokes for discussion because they had no impact on the lynch at hand. if you want to lynch me on participation and lack of scum hunting principles thats fine. also, answer my question about imperf, i am trying to formulate reads for when they are necessary | ||
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On October 12 2012 13:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay Tinfoil hat time. Scum had to withhold kills tonight because they reversed the flip of their coroner. Discuss. i could buy into this... or they are down to 1 kp and tried to shoot bc again and he is bulletproof 3rd party and now they will push his lynch super hard | ||
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On October 12 2012 13:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I have another check. Scum let me have it. Anyone wanna guess who it was? Anyone? Anyone care because it's pretty much useless? i wanna know | ||
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On October 12 2012 13:58 VisceraEyes wrote: lol Get outta here Matt. this is a rather ironic statement considering the accusations against me gn i might check-in via phone tomorrow (i just started working today) | ||
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Also im locked out of my house so I'm posting from phone for awhile | ||
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What townie thinks like this? He is basically admitting to knowing his case is wrong being that his case is made of decent arguments instead of scum finding. This is the most passive statement of an attempt to say "I've made good cases why am I scum?!" you aren't even asking for VE to respond to anything in the case just for him to look at it and call you town. I am going to vote z-boson | ||
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On October 12 2012 10:49 Mattchew wrote: how are reads and answers to questions random crap/stuff | ||
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On October 13 2012 08:46 Z-BosoN wrote: Oh wait!!! But see, had you actually read it, I stated in that very same post that MY read was a meta read, because I've seen shady on a BUNCH of games -- UNLIKE MATTCHEW!! "This is your only good point if true". Aww thanks, I'm flattered, you are so cute, that's all I've ever wanted. Except no. Annul was playing scummy, that's why he got vigged. BC is playing like hardcore 3rd party (slight offside of scum). Sloosh I've also noticed how he's very different from his LVII pseudo-town meta, and am still unsure of. It's not like I'm using that argument with tunnel vision. If you've seen mattchew fuck off and do jack shit then why haven't you said so? You are hesitant to call him scum because of his "pathetic filter"? Really? You are gonna take two fucking words and sum my entire case up on it? When only above you have even said that "This is your only good point if true"? Don't say it's laughably bad if you actually even admit that some points make sense. See what I mean by you being arrogant? So let me get this straight. Here's your little carefully plotted scumlist and how you are proceding to deal with them: me: Voted on annul. Then unvoted. Fuck his tradeoff with DarthPunk and the entirety of DP's arguments. He voted annul and then he unvoted lololol DP: He jumped on a crappy "scumslip" argument. Fuck his trade off with Z-BosoN and the entirety of ZB's arguments. He jumped on a crappy "scumslip" argument and looks like he knows what's up. lololol ShiaoPi: His name has FOUR appearances in your filter. FOUR. You haven't even commented on why you think he's scum or added jack shit to his case. You just nonchallantly added his name there. Kreb: Omg he wants to lynch me despite my extremely legit-looking cop claim lololol!! Mattchew: Has done shit this game. Fuck any other arguments, he's done jack shit lolol!! Actually nvm, he can't be that non-protown. ZB's case is laughably bad now, because all he says is that Mattchew has done jack shit! You look like you are passively concocting up some people and not doing any research whatsoever. It doesn't look like you are reading anybody's filter. It doesn't look like you are legitimately trying to scumhunt. In your 14 pages of filter I've read, there is no evidence of this. See, remember I was under the assumption you and mementoss were legit? Right now I'm playing under that assumption and shit and I'm having an incredible hard time giving that assumption any credibility. I'll keep it for today because I still think there are better lynch targets, but ffs, you haven't pushed SHIT!! The most you've done is: I want to lynch X because of Y. Where Y is a shit one-liner reason that shows no real effort. If I'm a scumread why aren't you reading my filter? If both me AND darth are your scumreads why don't you read our exchange? I mean, fuck, if I honestly thought two people who have like three pages arguing against each other are scum I would certainly CERTAINLY read it and draw conclusions. But no. You are just casually putting our names there as if drawing names from a hat. On shiaopi it's even worse. It's ridiculous. Control+F "Shiao" on his entire filter and see what you will find on his "lynch candidate". He's casually laying back and putting his reasoning behind toutestchaos, me, and like 3 other people who have made cases against shiao. This is fucking ridiculous. It's not like you are my prince in shining armor and I expect you to win the game and gallantly throw us roses as you ride into the sunset. Fuck that. You are doing a despicable job for any standards whatsoever, and that is what concerns me and why I'm bitching about. ok first of all, I never called shady town, you are really taking that post completely out of context. I was saying that no one in the thread voting shady had any actual reason to be voting him. please stop saying at any point i ever called him town because there is a HUGE difference. second, you are calling my answers to questions directly posed to me fluff and meaningless is bullshit and a misrepresentation of my posts. third, you can think my reads are crap, but atleast explain why that makes me scum and not just wrong. ok i am on a computer and gonna do a lot of reading and stop defending myself for a few posts | ||
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If this is true, we should be looking at those who tried to push away from a kush vote. What townie (who have no information) would not lynch a claimed dt red vote? Especially after we had 2 straight scum lynches putting us ahead. iamperfection is who we should be looking at to lynch. Iamperfection tries to push the zboson lynch on the back of Darthpunk's waivering from the kushmasta lynch. here is iamperf's posting in this time period + Show Spoiler + On October 11 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote: anyone up for..... dare i say it..... some last minute shenanigans. On October 11 2012 10:45 iamperfection wrote: we would need 8 votes to do anything correct? On October 11 2012 11:05 iamperfection wrote: dp makes more sense than zboson and i believe kush is town. He panicked the last time he was under pressure of lynch as scum he did not do it here. ## Vote Z-Boson On October 11 2012 11:17 iamperfection wrote: alright bed time for me. If i remember right the deadline is unofficial so you have up to the night post to get votes in. He tries to get a last hour vote switch, but doesn't provide any reasoning for doing so. His sole reason is DP's thoughts, which he doesn't even quote or comment on. His pushing of this switch does not have a sense of urgency or care to it. I believe he is doing this last minute switch idea just because he knows what kush will flip. ##vote iamperfection | ||
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On October 14 2012 03:38 Z-BosoN wrote: Coag, I really think a scum kreb wouldn't hard defend Node like that early in the game. Scum generally don't like doing that... Even if they did, once Node was lynched they would obviously be all like "wow he sure fooled me", which is not the tone he took. The only thing that really says it for me is the difference from his townie filter, which I've read and it sure seems a bit different. However, he's actually trying to defend himself, unlike Mattchew, who simply disappeared. Like nuke said, mattchew is a liability for the late game, we can't rely on him. Added to that, he actually has a decent chance of popping scum. He is also in agreement with your "awol" theory, if you check his filter, his only two posts are nowhere near dawn. Remember he also didn't vote in day 1? Honestly, he's a much better choice. i was active during the last night phase, please try harder to lie about me | ||
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On October 14 2012 03:16 Z-BosoN wrote: I pretty much agree with nuke. Can't find kreb to be scummier than him ##Vote Mattchew what do you agree with risk about? | ||
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On October 14 2012 03:49 Z-BosoN wrote: Dude, read the thread, man, I'm not going to cherry pick. Ok, let me double check the times then. i am reading the thread, and you have not quoted or answered risk once. Your case on me was demolished by me and VE. I would like to know your actual reasons for voting me and what actions i have taken that you deem scummy, especially if any of them pertain to anything other than "he's not active" | ||
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On October 14 2012 03:53 Z-BosoN wrote: Liar liar pants on fire. October 11th you had two posts: Then your next post on october 12th you had one: Each of them are more than 11 hours apart from the night 4 post. This is also just a side note, not the main things you've got going on against you. You also choose someone who has not even one vote. There are like 6 lynch candidates today, we need to consolidate, seriously. well i don't like me as a candidate I believe in VE's claim, i have read him twice with "if he was town" and "if he was scum" mindsets. The scum side doesn't make sense with the timing of the claim and how he has played it BC, i think is actually town. If he isn't dead in a certain amount of nights I will begin to worry about him, but i think he talks about himself being 3rd party too confidently to actually be 3rd party. You Z-boson, feel town from the tone of your posts especially when you are called out by VE and others. I just think you do not know how to find scum characteristics, or you don't know how to voice your findings properly. I am going to read kreb now | ||
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On October 14 2012 03:57 Z-BosoN wrote: It was not demolished. The fact that I find VE scum and you being the only person he tried to defend ever makes me think poorly of you. I've made my case, I've also made a post making a summary of my case. Here it is again: 1) Your post telling people not to vote shady for shit reasons 2) Your only two major posts stating your views on people, only never to be revisited ever again. Gives off the impression that you are just wanting to look like you are scumhunting, but you are not. VE also said that this might be true, when he ridiculed my case 1. why is this post scummy? because telling people who were voting shady for trolling (which he said he was gonna do pre-game before his alignment was given) they were being stupid is bad? For wanting people to vote because of actual belief that someone is scum instead of herp derp he trolled im mad! 2. Because I went inactive and my reads have changed. I can't help either of those. Is that scummy? I am now pushing my strongest scum read in iamperfection | ||
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On October 14 2012 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote: That's like the third or fourth time you've interpreted that line from my post as agreement with your point - please stop. I did NOT agree with that point on Mattchew, because you said blatantly untrue things. what is this in reference to? These are risks last posts on me z-boson references On October 13 2012 22:37 risk.nuke wrote: I have a friend visiting over the weekend, I've just barely skimmed over the last pages. The only smart thing to do today is to kill Mattchew. We need to get rid of Mattchew because. He is likely scum. So we have to lynch him sooner or later. The only scenario we don't end up sooner or later lynching Mattchew is if we decide that hey, his retarded actions are probably indicators that he is town so lets not lynch him... ever. That scenario is never going to happen. Never fucking ever. Ergo we need to kill him. Why is it better to kill him now rather then later? Because as the game progresses we will be able to get better reads on everyone. Just as how you have better reads on other people day 1 then day 2. This makes it sub-ideal to lynch person x today and Mattchew tomorrow rather then lynch Mattchew today and person x tomorrow. This is NOT fucking complicated but the fucking ESSENCE of standard logic now start fucking voting. On October 13 2012 01:39 risk.nuke wrote: Vicera. We'll never figure out Mattchews alignment. He deserve to be modkilled but that's not in our hands. Every single other player we're going to get better reads on with time with one exeption. Mattchew. Which makes it neccersary to lynch him in itself. Furthermore he's playing his scum-meta of lurking/notcaring. Try tell me why someone else is a better option. We're lynching him today. The recently ended Aperture game had almost every player in the game call me inactive and apathetic and I was town. Therefore his meta read could be easily countered by just reading the game that i was playing in alongside this game. I am attempting to become more active although in about 45 minutes I will be offline for around 20-ish hours. I will not be around at deadline. | ||
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On October 14 2012 04:20 Keirathi wrote: I disagree with you 99%. And yea, I was wrong about iamp in Aperture. But I was wrong based on him making 4 posts, not 7 pages of posts. Also, you're misrepresenting his "change of heart" on kush. He had been saying kush was town all game. Its pretty understandable that he hopped on the red check and then still had doubts, especially with the way kush was acting in crunch time. It was so different from every kush scum game. I want you to do a little research into iamp if you're so convinced. Read GSL 2 and Newbie XIX. Tell me if the iamperfection in this game feels like the scum iamperfection in those games. Because I just don't see it. no, this isn't a meta read. this is scumplay characteristics if VE is det and kush was scum. | ||
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Also, what scum has the balls to say "I wasn't doing anything" and why doesn't anyone remember how I called out BC and sloosh (and annul) extremely early in the game. I was 2 for 3 and wanted to lynch sloosh so hard. I just dont understand how anything aside for my activity was scum about my play | ||
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In movie mafia I was pretty active and made a lot of reads... I was also scum so it was hard to post especially when I didn't have time to read I guess I don't like sharing reads when they don't matter at all... When the lynch is set you are just making yourself a better mafia target and I like surviving... It's sucks that the weekend was when I was lynched because that's when im at my lowest activity but I don't think I made myself unreadable. | ||
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