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Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 01:47 GMT
#2209
Ulterior motive my balls, I was very clear in my thoughts
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 01:54 GMT
#2215
lol. Clear difference?
On October 10 2012 14:17 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 14:12 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 10 2012 14:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
Kush, you are acting a lot more townie this game when confronted to a lynch.
I find it weird how DP is making no mention of this, since he's the "kush expert" here


I have mentioned it. I have also mentioned how he is aware of his meta and has employed it in WIFOM bombing me. So he could easily have changed it. And lets be honest. Getting caught so fast last game would have been an obvious catalyst for working on an incredibly transparent meta.

This is not the first time he has been confronted with pressure and I would have originally thought this was a town tell for kush. I even had a town read on him when I replaced in. But his WIFOM against me showed a willingness to both abuse and alter his meta. To the point where I don;t feel it is enough to clear him Especially with the multiple scummy things he has done.

Also. If you feel that kush is town. Then you should unvote him. Voting for someone and then protesting that vote is scummy as fuck.

In fact. The biggest thing that makes me wary of lynching Kush is that you seem to be trying to milk town cred if Kush flips green.

In fact. That is very very scummy.


First off, I'm getting the feeling that he could be town. Obviously not enough to shit on VE's claim and unvote him.
Also, you are tunneling him hard, but then you make no concession that he is playing differently once he got confronted.
Also, you are actually taking into consideration the possibility of me milking cred from him --> so you acknowledge the possibility of him being town? Yes or no?


Clear as balls.
Gg no re.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 01:55 GMT
#2216
He said the same thing I did:
On October 11 2012 10:41 DarthPunk wrote:
I have misgivings on this lynch. But it is probably better play to just verify the cop claim. Like I think the optimal play is to lynch the red check. But I am not 100% on that. :/

Yet, it makes me scummy, because I'm milking town cred, but not him. Read the exchange guys.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 01:57 GMT
#2219
And somehow his OMGUS of me is better than a cop claim to which he used to justify his vote.
He thinks kush might be town.
He thinks we should verify the cop claim anyways.
He votes on me.
Yep.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 02:20 GMT
#2232
Because I have a suspicion he is green. I want to verify the cop claim. Same thing you said, except I actually mean it.
How does DP make more sense than me, are you reading?

Here's the chronological order.

I mention that kush is behaving differently, saying there's a possibility he might be town. I still want to lynch him, though because obviously cop claim >> my suspicions.

DP says this makes me scummy. I am trying to milk town cred. DarthPunk, he who has 3 pages in his filter saying that kush is scum, kush is scum, no way kush is town.

Then, DP changes his mind, saying that actually kush can be town. However, he wants to verify the cop claim.

Then, he says that it doesn't make HIM scummy, because his context is different or whatever. In his mind, I'm the one trying to milk town cred, while himself is actually the thinking concerned citizen.

Despite saying he still wants to kill kush due to the cop claim, he OMGUS votes me.

Then, he asks me this:
On October 11 2012 11:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Z-Boson. If you think Kush is green why is your vote still parked on him?


When he himself agrees with me:
On October 11 2012 10:41 DarthPunk wrote:
I have misgivings on this lynch. But it is probably better play to just verify the cop claim. Like I think the optimal play is to lynch the red check. But I am not 100% on that. :/


Guys, I don't know if we live in the same world. How does he make sense, and I don't?
Seriously, try this little thing called thinking, ffs
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 02:28 GMT
#2235
What scum motive? That I'm milking town cred?
I gave my reasoning as to why I thought he could be town. I don't get your "scum motive"
Don't be an OMGUSy ass hat and tell me to go read.
Explain to me. Why is me considering the possibility of kush being town scummy, when I've given my reasoning to think so?
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 02:28 GMT
#2237
You did change your mind. You went from "kush is sure scum" to "kush may be town now". There is no way you cannot admit this.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 02:29 GMT
#2238
On October 11 2012 11:28 DarthPunk wrote:
To be clear. Changing my mind with additional information does not make me scum.

I think kush might be town. So I try to stop his lynch. Unvote. Try to get others to Unvote.

You think kush is town. And you use it to lay the framework down for a mislynch on me. You don't care that he is getting lynched. All you care about is getting me lynched off the back of it.

That is the clear motivational difference between us.


Thank you. So why can't this:
On October 11 2012 10:41 DarthPunk wrote:
I have misgivings on this lynch. But it is probably better play to just verify the cop claim. Like I think the optimal play is to lynch the red check. But I am not 100% on that. :/


hold true for me?
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 02:36 GMT
#2243
On October 11 2012 11:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 11:29 Z-BosoN wrote:
On October 11 2012 11:28 DarthPunk wrote:
To be clear. Changing my mind with additional information does not make me scum.

I think kush might be town. So I try to stop his lynch. Unvote. Try to get others to Unvote.

You think kush is town. And you use it to lay the framework down for a mislynch on me. You don't care that he is getting lynched. All you care about is getting me lynched off the back of it.

That is the clear motivational difference between us.


Thank you. So why can't this:
On October 11 2012 10:41 DarthPunk wrote:
I have misgivings on this lynch. But it is probably better play to just verify the cop claim. Like I think the optimal play is to lynch the red check. But I am not 100% on that. :/


hold true for me?



Because you set the groundwork for me to be mislynched if Kush flipped green. You don;t care that someone you think is town is getting lynched but want to lynch me for not thinking he is town. And you are directly contradicting your previous explanation for unvoting node.


nonono, that's what YOU did. Right, over, here:
On October 10 2012 14:12 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 14:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
Kush, you are acting a lot more townie this game when confronted to a lynch.
I find it weird how DP is making no mention of this, since he's the "kush expert" here


I have mentioned it. I have also mentioned how he is aware of his meta and has employed it in WIFOM bombing me. So he could easily have changed it. And lets be honest. Getting caught so fast last game would have been an obvious catalyst for working on an incredibly transparent meta.

This is not the first time he has been confronted with pressure and I would have originally thought this was a town tell for kush. I even had a town read on him when I replaced in. But his WIFOM against me showed a willingness to both abuse and alter his meta. To the point where I don;t feel it is enough to clear him Especially with the multiple scummy things he has done.

Also. If you feel that kush is town. Then you should unvote him. Voting for someone and then protesting that vote is scummy as fuck.

In fact. The biggest thing that makes me wary of lynching Kush is that you seem to be trying to milk town cred if Kush flips green.

In fact. That is very very scummy.




I did not set up anything.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 02:37 GMT
#2245
Do this, quote me. Go ahead, quote me. Find the passage where I set the groundwork for you to get lynched. Can you do that? Or are you just gonna tell me to go look?
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 02:38 GMT
#2247
Should be pretty clear who's full of shit here.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 02:40 GMT
#2250
I agree, this is pointless. DP, try thinking a bit more before you post, it helps.
Anyways, my vote stands on kush. While I'm finding it odd that he's been a lot more different, I don't think that weighs more than VE's cop claim on him.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 02:41 GMT
#2253
Omfg, he's that dense.
I'm not trying to mislynch you off of kush. I'm trying to LYNCH you because I find you scum.
See this clusterfuck I've bothered to make?
On October 10 2012 14:42 Z-BosoN wrote:
For contrasting purposes.

First view on kush:

Show nested quote +
On October 07 2012 20:18 DarthPunk wrote:
About Kush's analysis. That is beyond anything I have seen from him in terms of actual quality analysis in the 3 games of his I obs'd and the 2 I have since played with him. It is a striking difference from that play and even the play in this game.
Either he is improving in his play. or he is being coached in the QT. I find both plausible at this point and certainly don;t want to lynch him for sound analysis.

That being said. I do want to lynch him for All the reasons I have already brought up.


What the fuck is this post right here? I don't want to lynch him for these reasons. I want to lynch him for those reasons. Why the hell is he even bringing that up? This flimsiness is characteristic of scum. Especially DarthPunk. In XXVIII when he got tunnel vision on kush, he didn't even begin to make a concession of any type.
So right now, he's made clear he wants to lynch kush, despite him showing improved play (for some reason, he feels it's necessary to mention this).

Afterwards:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 17:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 09 2012 17:20 kushm4sta wrote:
DP and VE have me voted.. seriously. I realized I'm biased but from my perspective I seem pretty damn green.
Marv defending me means nothing. If that is your primary reasons for voting me then that is weak and you know it.
DP your primary reason for voting me is that I fucked with you? You don't see how that is something a town or scum kush could have done? If anything it's a null tell.
Look at my play, if you can bear to drudge through my filter.
@VE your activity has been really bad and if you are town I doubt you put much thought into this vote. Why would you vote for an outlier candidate instead of a popular one? You haven't done of the legwork to make a case against me and convince others.


You Employed WIFOM against me in order to mask your scum slips and meta. By intentionally making scum slips and employing your scum meta.

It is the scummiest thing that has happened in this thread. And bvy god you should have been lynched for it days ago.

It even caused ToutEstChaos to change his mind and make you his number one scum read.

A confirmed town thinks you were the most likely scum.

You shat all over the thread.

You have barely scum hunted despite a lengthy filter.

You have proven that you are aware of your meta so that is now useless.

You employed Wifom to mask your scumslips and scum meta.

Marv defended you before he was caught.

Hapa defended you before he was caught.

As soon as you became toutEstchaos' number one scum read he died.

The only argument in your favor comes from a suspicious player in his own right. And is comprised of pure WIFOM and speculation.

I have not voted for you so now you are lying or not reading.

And the case against you is far more than you 'fucking with me' which in itself is far to simplistic an explanation.





Then ends with this post:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 10 2012 08:35 kushm4sta wrote:
gg dp. If I flip town will you admit that you are bad? because that would almost make it worth it.


LOL. So bad I caught you twice in a row. You are not flipping town. Obviously.

Also:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 08:41 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 10 2012 08:39 kushm4sta wrote:
dp this is important: if I flip town are you bad?


You aren't flipping town kush.


Now what's interesting about this is that he finds me scummy for including the possibility that kush may flip town. If he thinks kush will flip scum, for sure, as he says, why is he targeting me for considering this possibility?. One may think that he thinks I'm trying to defend my scumbuddy. But that's not what he includes here:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 14:12 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 10 2012 14:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
Kush, you are acting a lot more townie this game when confronted to a lynch.
I find it weird how DP is making no mention of this, since he's the "kush expert" here


I have mentioned it. I have also mentioned how he is aware of his meta and has employed it in WIFOM bombing me. So he could easily have changed it. And lets be honest. Getting caught so fast last game would have been an obvious catalyst for working on an incredibly transparent meta.

This is not the first time he has been confronted with pressure and I would have originally thought this was a town tell for kush. I even had a town read on him when I replaced in. But his WIFOM against me showed a willingness to both abuse and alter his meta. To the point where I don;t feel it is enough to clear him Especially with the multiple scummy things he has done.

Also. If you feel that kush is town. Then you should unvote him. Voting for someone and then protesting that vote is scummy as fuck.

In fact. The biggest thing that makes me wary of lynching Kush is that you seem to be trying to milk town cred if Kush flips green.

In fact. That is very very scummy.



So, Darthpunk, are you or are you not sure that he is scum? You attack me for considering that he might be townie, yet you make that same consideration yourself? Very weird. Very weird indeed.




Also, his only scumhunting from the last three pages is this list:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2012 16:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Also. Where the fuck are:

Shiao Pi

Mattchew

BloodyC0bbler

These are experienced players that have had almost zero thread presence since I replaced in to the game.

I mean I think Kush is scummy as shit. But at least he is making a contribution and posting. Even if his posts are crap. They exist and he has thread presence.


And a couple of other aggressive cases against ShiaoPi. He also reiterates the meta arguments brought up by our smurfy friend ToutEstChaos. Another useless post:

Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 11:03 DarthPunk wrote:
I have to agree with Keirathi about sloosh. Even as 3rd party he contributed more than he has this game. And he even pushed a case on scum S&B. This game I barely even know he is playing. He hasn't really scum hunted and combined with switching off the node wagon back to shady he looks very suspicious.

I also agree that it is strange for hapa to have pushed risk so hard if he was town. I know this is somewhat WIFOM. But I don't see the point of Immediately pushing your scum buddy after you lose marv.


I feel Like VE fits into that whole group of scummy/lurking vets.

BC
Matt
Sloosh
VE etc.

They can't all be scum. But out of that group I think Matt and Sloosh look the worst.

Also Shiao Pi continues to lurk so I don;t know wtf is up with him. Yeah his meta has him sort of inactive. But not as badly as this game. It could be a by product of the boring past cycles. But I would be watching him.


So DP has spent much of the last three pages in his filtering tunneling kush, and made some posts that seem more like he's giving off the impression he wants to scumhunt without generally doing so.
He's also criticizing me for something he himself noted earlier on, but quickly changed his mind on the subject. It seems to me like he's seizing the opportunity to use kush as an excuse to not bother reading the thread. His "suspicion" on me seems fake as all hell, and I think he's scum.

#Fos DarthPunk


Yea.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 02:47 GMT
#2260
On October 11 2012 11:46 kushm4sta wrote:
Why hasn't zbo answered my question.. i asked so nice many times.
Z-BOSON please please please: What do you think my alignment is and how certain are you?

21.4% town
78.6% scum
100% useless
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 02:52 GMT
#2262
You're welcome
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 03:04 GMT
#2264
Town's suddenly gone. Did our fighting scare everyone away?
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 03:16 GMT
#2272
If you flip green, I'm not sure. Something is off about him. Whatever the situation, he'd make a terrible day 5 lynch.
I can't push a DP lynch until someone reads my case and his filter, otherwise people will just think it's OMGUS.
I'd much rather push for a Mattchew/ShiaoPi lynch.
But of course, I'm probably not gonna do much pushing since I'll have at least two rabid dogs tunneling me next hardcore next day.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 03:19 GMT
#2275
On October 11 2012 12:12 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 11:47 Z-BosoN wrote:
On October 11 2012 11:46 kushm4sta wrote:
Why hasn't zbo answered my question.. i asked so nice many times.
Z-BOSON please please please: What do you think my alignment is and how certain are you?

21.4% town
78.6% scum
100% useless


So Z-B thinks Kush is scum

His case against me is that I am tunnelling kush and don't think Kush is town.

And he says that he is not setting me up for if Kush flips green.

Despite the fact his whole case is useless if kush flips red.

Burn him with fire.


Can you not shut the fuck up?
I think you are retard and a scum.
You think I'm a retard and a scum.
Let other people read and decide for themselves, you are just being anti-town here. Seriously.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 03:26 GMT
#2279
ShiaoPi I invoke you.
Do you see any resemblance from LVII?
What say you?
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 11 2012 04:48 GMT
#2307
On October 11 2012 13:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
So yeah...I'm down with ZBoson lynch. Final answer.


Main reason why I'm scum. Go
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