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Good luck rationalising kush's play from any perspective. As in the post-game to my most recent newbie game, Hapahauli pointed out the significant difference in his town/scum play - his attitude. I'm nowhere near convinced his attitude this game is his scum attitude.
Anyway, it's been gnawing at me for most of the day, and I want to lynch kj more and more.
On October 01 2012 00:19 kingjames01 wrote:I was mafia in a DrH game where there were clues. As mafia, I spent the entire game speculating on what the clues meant and who they were pointing to rather than to actually hunt for spies. The Town got caught up in it and we ended up winning the game with some false claims. I want this game to focus on scum hunting and not rely on the crutch of sifting through possible clues. We should be aware of any players who encourage using time and effort on scum hunting via clues. That being said, I'm going to quote some posts so I don't lose them. Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 13:46 Keirathi wrote:
You know what game you played well in?
I'll give you a hint: we were masons together.
Now, why did you play well that game? Because you were confirmed town status? No. You played well because you listened to BH about how a townie should think and act. Go back and read your conversations with him, please for the love of god.
Otherwise I'm completely fine with voting you if DrH doesn't plan to modkill or replace you. Because I honestly don't want to put up with that shit for the whole game. Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 20:03 kushm4sta wrote:
I voted for shady because he called me a troll.
There is no one better to vote for atm. I might as well vote for someone who was mean to me and has a history of being mean to me.
Also I'm not a fan of his content. Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 22:35 kushm4sta wrote:On September 30 2012 22:30 Kreb wrote:
@kush
You still didnt reply to what you dont like about Shadys content. I apologize for my lack of specificity. I dislike his content because it is all caps nonsense. Not even proper trolling, just spam. They're not proof of alignment yet, but they give off a scummy stench.
The whole contrived/seems contrived has been gone over well enough. But if you're not going to stick by what you posted, why make these quotes at all? It's suspicion on people that he won't even back up properly himself. If you "don't want to lose them", that's what fucking notepad/excel/word is for.
What's pushing me towards kj instead of Shady though is the first 2 paragraphs. The first indicates that he's been around long enough to have mafia experience of previous DrH's games. In the 2nd he wants to focus on scumhunting, and yet has done none - it's just a totally empty promise. "Let's all do this! Except I won't myself! haha!" Much more than I feel with Shady, he should really know better.
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I'd be down for kj lynch. Bringing up past experiences is a crutch for scum. They think back to a time when they were town and it gives them comfort.
Id also be down for shady(omgus lynch), anul, or risen.
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On October 01 2012 23:57 marvellosity wrote:
Good luck rationalising kush's play from any perspective. As in the post-game to my most recent newbie game, Hapahauli pointed out the significant difference in his town/scum play - his attitude. I'm nowhere near convinced his attitude this game is his scum attitude.
This had me interested since I've only experienced town-kush. Posting since more people might want to check it out (Im assuming this is what marv means):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548¤tpage=75
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yeah just dont post 28 .. please dont
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On October 01 2012 23:51 risk.nuke wrote:
Marv, thoughts on Sharrant?
I'm fine with Sharrant atm. Yes he took ages to come in to the thread (but hello austin, 1 post, talis, Admiral A, 0 posts...) but having done so he gave his full thoughts on the hot topics, which is what I'd want from a latecomer.
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On October 02 2012 00:25 marvellosity wrote:I'm fine with Sharrant atm. Yes he took ages to come in to the thread (but hello austin, 1 post, talis, Admiral A, 0 posts...) but having done so he gave his full thoughts on the hot topics, which is what I'd want from a latecomer.
I Saw that tails had a 15 page filter in mad men. Has he ever gone mia like this?
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talis is known for posting much more as town than as mafia. But when someone has absolutely no posts at all, it's a bit hard to speculate what's going on.
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On October 02 2012 00:30 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 00:25 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2012 23:51 risk.nuke wrote:
Marv, thoughts on Sharrant? I'm fine with Sharrant atm. Yes he took ages to come in to the thread (but hello austin, 1 post, talis, Admiral A, 0 posts...) but having done so he gave his full thoughts on the hot topics, which is what I'd want from a latecomer. I Saw that tails had a 15 page filter in mad men. Has he ever gone mia like this?
My guess is that he didn't know the game started, and hasn't been around all weekend. His last post in the caller game was a few days ago, iirc.
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On October 02 2012 00:32 marvellosity wrote:
talis is known for posting much more as town than as mafia. But when someone has absolutely no posts at all, it's a bit hard to speculate what's going on.
This. There are scummys in here that need to go before we talk about killing people with one post.
Yeah, I forgot about a voting thread...but I'm going to be voting for KJ instead of Shady anyway.
@BC
Your primary concern with the Shady wagon seemed to be that there was one. Is that the case? And if so, are you kidding me?
@ZBos
I was as clear as I could be regarding KJ. Someone (I forget who) said they thought his comment about forcing lurkers into the spotlight by meaningfully posting was scummy. I did not, and that's what the first statement was about - I didn't find that particular post scummy. However I find him scummy enough to lynch based on the reasons I gave after that statement. I didn't go from "town read" to "scum read" as you seem to imply.
Also, does anyone else feel like I spent "about a billion posts attacking annul"? Because it didn't seem that way to me. It seemed more like one post. :/
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I'd say three posts dear, but it seemed pretty unremarkable to me anyways. Although I kinda fondly remember the days where I'd (mis)lynch you for stuff like that <3
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On October 01 2012 17:33 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 16:48 Risen wrote:On October 01 2012 12:19 kushm4sta wrote:I'm not going to lose any sleep over a shady lynching. He's basically turned into a hardcore lurker, which is even worse considering all the pressure he is under. Not worse as in more scummy but more lurkery, Some people are suggesting that it was part of some scum strat. Have you guys even read his filter? Before the game ever started: On September 30 2012 11:20 Shady Sands wrote:
/in
I am going to play like a troll this game.
You have all been warned. Lynch him fine but don't say it's because you think he's scum. Because he'd be the first person in the history of mafia to give himself an out pre-game if he drew scum. Even if that was the purpose of his post, how does giving yourself an out pre-game increase the chances of him being (randoming) scum? God thats some silly argumenting.
I didn't make that argument. Learn to read.
On October 01 2012 21:34 kushm4sta wrote:
lynching someone you don't think is scum is common. it's called a policy lynch. also no one who I want to lynch is getting lynched, so I might as well join this bandwagon because I don't like shady 's play
See most of my scum play ever. (I'm saying I say shit like this as scum all the time)
On October 01 2012 23:03 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:On October 01 2012 13:08 mkfuba07 wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something significant here... He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green. holy shit, seriously? what an easy decision. ##vote kushm4sta
I don't blame you for this.
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Shady said before the game, before he knew his alignment, that he was going to troll. I have yet to see a shady case about his posting after his "trollfest" (if there is I missed it). If we lynch someone for doing something so non-alignment telling we are bad and we should feel bad. If you are voting Shady I want your reasons for the vote beyond "he was trolling and thats anti-town herp derp"
STOP VOTING SHADY SANDS WITH SHIT REASONING
I was thinking that we should lynch Coag because he hasn't put in any effort after getting mad at Caller about his game. He got mad at Caller for not allowing him to play in a game and then joins this one and parks a vote on Shady with shitty ass reasoning. The thing holding me back on this is that this might actually be how Coag plays, and I dont think I have played with him in a real game that I remember.
Austinmc hasn't contributed jack shit, which is very different from his usual productive town self
Kingjames was extremely awkwardly wishy-washy with his attempt to call out keirathi. He talks about focusing on scum hunting but has spent almost all his time trying to defend and focusing on himself. His first post also reeks of scum trying to look tryhard townie.
I want to a lot more from BC, his lack of contributions make me very nervous about him.
##vote kingjames01
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On October 02 2012 01:06 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 23:03 annul wrote:On October 01 2012 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:On October 01 2012 13:08 mkfuba07 wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something significant here... He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green. holy shit, seriously? what an easy decision. ##vote kushm4sta I don't blame you for this.
Do you and annul actually believe this is a scum slip. Do you both not believe that there are players that can hurt town, as town, and should be lynched? I don't care if grush, BM, or MrZentor flip town, they make the game next to impossible to win in the late game if they are alive as town or scum
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so apparently this started
I'm caught up to about halfway through pg 11 at the moment so forgive me if someone has already said this:
VE is scum
basically he has a cold hard activity tell on him that I don't think he's shook yet. see this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=73#1442 If I have time I'll make a pretty graph later. And he's made 11 posts in 24 hours in this game, right on target with his scum pace. His posts are qualitatively similar as well - they all tend to be of medium length with few of the quick one-off responses and conversational feel that his town play has.
combine this with the fact that he's doing a couple of things similar to what he did in mad men:
--Being a little inflammatory. He accidentally riled up annul, calling him a little bitch. He then said that he didn't mean it that way. Yet you clearly don't say someone is doing something "like" a little bitch without implying that they in fact are similar to a little bitch. His explanation was contorted and reads to me like he was goading annul more thereby shitting up the thread (might have worked had drH not stepped in). He did this in mad men as well ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=46#906 )
--spending day one going after "low-hanging fruit" discussion-wise. I give him some credit for being original with annul, but the rest of his posts are just harping on the usual early day one controversies (kj, shady). I know VE is good enough to know that this post is incredibly optimistic:
On September 30 2012 23:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
I've got my eye on ShadySands, annul and Mattchew right now. Pretty sure there's scum buried deep within that trio.
Will you help me figure out who, if any of them, is most deserving of a rope around the neck?
How is he really "pretty sure"? I'd say it's a trap or bait or something but he never follows it up as such. Instead I smell pre-justification.
##Vote: VisceraEyes
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Working on catching up. Did I absolutely miss this being discussed besides someone calling it a spy slip? People have QUOTED this post and not seemed to be concerned by this:
On October 01 2012 11:39 kingjames01 wrote:
So what we're shifting towards is whether Shady's 'plan' to preempt trolling was legitimate or a cover-up?
That should not be the focus of our first day. Instead, I'd like Shady to come back to the thread and give us something more concrete.
Shady: what do you think about the assertion that I was being wishy-washy? Also, tell us if you have a spy read on anyone yet, who and why.
There's nothing in the OP about spy roles.
There's nothing in the opening flavor about spy roles.
There's nothing about spies ANYWHERE.
Spies a neutral faction and KJ part of it?
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happily buying a seat on the kj bandwagon
primary reasons:
seems like it's either him or me at this point and I would rather it be him
some vaguely scummy posts. For me the scummiest thing is talk of past experiences with no reason.
I think it's a topic scums go to naturally.
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Oh another thing, this quote:
On October 01 2012 00:42 VisceraEyes wrote:And regardless of your alignment annul, you should probably know that I'm going to be exhausting. I haven't been in a mafia game for like a week or two. I realize that's like...probably a joke to you because you go literally months between games, but for someone who typically isn't OUT of a game, that's a long time. 
forgot this part when typing above. This is as now verging on a failed promise. He hasn't been posting "exhaustively". And he paints this picture of a guy with a lot of pent-up energy after a two-week break, but then his posting is way off his town rate from before the break.
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On the same subject keep an eye on Risen. I remember him saying that he was going to go back to posting a lot but then he kind of disappeared.
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On October 02 2012 01:11 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 01:06 Risen wrote:On October 01 2012 23:03 annul wrote:On October 01 2012 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:On October 01 2012 13:08 mkfuba07 wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something significant here... He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green. holy shit, seriously? what an easy decision. ##vote kushm4sta I don't blame you for this. Do you and annul actually believe this is a scum slip. Do you both not believe that there are players that can hurt town, as town, and should be lynched? I don't care if grush, BM, or MrZentor flip town, they make the game next to impossible to win in the late game if they are alive as town or scum
I don't think it's a scum slip, I think it's a tiny thing that adds up to him being the most likely scum candidate up for lynch right now.
He's completely fine with lynching a towny, just because... it's not like the person he's ok with flipping green is playing horribly. The main reason I'm voting for him was outlined in my initial vote post in here.
On September 30 2012 13:59 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 13:54 Shady Sands wrote:
Yes! Thank goodness the gambit worked.
The whole plan was either to troll hard and have some fun, or enjoy a serious, non-troll game of Mafia by inciting the mod to explicitly threaten a modkill for trolling and scare all the trolls into the straight and narrow.
Shiao, you can thank me after the game is over. With that being said, I find the easy rando-vote at the beginning highly suspicious.
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## Vote Z-Boson
Explain your rando-vote without trolling as a factor. I don't believe you. This sounds shallow and only as reasoning you created to suit the confusion/disorder you created. ##vote: Shady Sands
The case against kj seems to revolve around him saying spy read. I'd like to see how he responds to that "slip". If he doesn't respond adequately (or at all since he seems to have fallen off the planet once someone pointed out the slip, maybe he's hoping it would just go away?) I'm all for moving my vote to him.
Another problem I have with Shady is a connection between him and ShiaoPi. I can't help but think if Shady flips red it makes Shiao look so much worse b/c
On September 30 2012 15:16 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 13:59 ShiaoPi wrote:
Shady besides you with your /in post nobody on the list looks like an obvious troll/unreadable kind of guy. (besides grush on the replacement), so I do not think this whole "gambit" as you call it was necessary...
Spare me that kind of crap, you obviously wanted to troll around. you won't get thanks for nothing from me.
Still kind of angry here, I'll be out to grab lunch and cool off... Hey i think your full of crap Shadys actions made you angry enough to leave the computer just because shady ALTernated With cap or typed in ALL CAPS. Come on ya im not buying it and i think you just wanted to weigh in on the situation and then have an excuse to leave. ## Vote shiaoPI Talk to me shiao i wish to know more. [/b][/b]
Same with Z-Boson. The post that makes me vote FOR Shady Sands is the one that convinces you he's not worth your vote?
On September 30 2012 13:56 Z-BosoN wrote:
EBWOP: sniped.. got it
Shiaopi I feel for you
LVII was a tragedy that should never happen again.
Hope kush doesn't follow the same path he chose the game he just came out of.
So now I guess this game can have a proper start then.
Sup guys!
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On September 30 2012 13:54 Shady Sands wrote:
Yes! Thank goodness the gambit worked.
The whole plan was either to troll hard and have some fun, or enjoy a serious, non-troll game of Mafia by inciting the mod to explicitly threaten a modkill for trolling and scare all the trolls into the straight and narrow.
Shiao, you can thank me after the game is over. With that being said, I find the easy rando-vote at the beginning highly suspicious.
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Explain your rando-vote without trolling as a factor.
I mean cmon, this feels like the most fake posting I've ever seen.
To sum: I want to see how Shady flips because...
1) He's my top scum read (we'll see how kj responds, and a red Shady doesn't make him green at all)
2) It will tell me more about Z-Boson and ShiaoPi.
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On October 02 2012 01:19 talismania wrote:Oh another thing, this quote: Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 00:42 VisceraEyes wrote:And regardless of your alignment annul, you should probably know that I'm going to be exhausting. I haven't been in a mafia game for like a week or two. I realize that's like...probably a joke to you because you go literally months between games, but for someone who typically isn't OUT of a game, that's a long time. forgot this part when typing above. This is as now verging on a failed promise. He hasn't been posting "exhaustively". And he paints this picture of a guy with a lot of pent-up energy after a two-week break, but then his posting is way off his town rate from before the break. _________ On the same subject keep an eye on Risen. I remember him saying that he was going to go back to posting a lot but then he kind of disappeared.
I'm on the same exact page as you. This is why I posted asking if I was invisible earlier........
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