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On October 01 2012 21:34 kushm4sta wrote:
lynching someone you don't think is scum is common. it's called a policy lynch. also no one who I want to lynch is getting lynched, so I might as well join this bandwagon because I don't like shady 's play
Who do you want to lynch most of all right now and why?
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On October 01 2012 21:34 kushm4sta wrote:
lynching someone you don't think is scum is common. it's called a policy lynch. also no one who I want to lynch is getting lynched, so I might as well join this bandwagon because I don't like shady 's play
Who did you actually want to lynch that supposedly is not getting lynched? You never really pushed anyone very hard so, it's not like you even attempted to do the leg work on getting anyone lynched other than joining the shadywagon.
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On October 01 2012 13:17 Shady Sands wrote:In response to trolling: I think people are drastically overblowing the following post: Show nested quote +The whole plan was either to troll hard and have some fun, or enjoy a serious, non-troll game of Mafia by inciting the mod to explicitly threaten a modkill for trolling and scare all the trolls into the straight and narrow. How is that a lie, Marv? I explicitly said I was trolling even though on the very first page DrH told GRush to eff off for presumed trolliness. I knew this was going to get me a high chance of being modkilled. But given that there are people who are possibly smurfing for others here, there's still a risk that trolls are here, so I wanted to play that way to make sure no one dared to troll... or at least I could abuse tolerance for trolls to the same extent as others. Now reading through filters
So in the game with the most specific anti-troll host/rules, you felt the need to make a point? Is it not true then that you were basically having a hissy fit? This way my interpretation of your pre-game post, and it's the fact that you tried to make your trolling into a legitimate point that reads as fake to me.
To the bold, you said this and then made two further inconsequential posts. Did you find nothing to comment upon?
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On Shady Sands:
There are pretty clear motivations for both scum and town to attempt the fake trolling bit. It does seem a little out of place since the only person I know in this game with a troll-y meta is kush. Some people have pointed out that the trolling seemed forced, and I agree with that, that strikes me as slightly scummy. It only seems scummy to me because I assume a scum trying to be troll-y for the first time would be nervous and unused to it, worried about drawing too much attention still.
His motivation as town would be to actually stop players from playing in a similar fashion, I can understand that motive, it makes sense to me. The explanation that he did it even though he already suspected a hardline stance against trolling from DrH makes me more suspicious of his motives though. His reason still makes sense, but he already had an idea that it wouldn't be necessary to do.
His motivation as scum is fairly simple. Players with a troll-y or sloppy meta are generally excused for their scum slips because of their overall poor play, so he would just be able to hide behind that. Where that falls apart in my head is that I've only ever seen this apply to players with a history of that style of play, picking it up out of the blue seems destined to fail.
I'd be pretty neutral about his play up until this point (I'm leaning slight scum on everything he's said, but it does all have a simple town explanation as well), the thing that makes it seem most scummy to me is where he mentions people smurphing. This seems like a bit of a reach to me, but it feels like he's trying to explain too much.
@Shady Sands:
Who do you think is playing on a smurph? What makes you think that they are?
On King James:
He goes after Kush and Keirathi early, saying Keirathi's post to Shady was scummy, as were two of Kush's posts. But he does this without any analysis, or mentioning why he found them scummy. He later clarifies that Kei's post is up there because it "seemed" contrived. I think Viscera Eyes summed it up about as well as possible in this post.
On October 01 2012 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
"...seemed contrived" is the same thing as "was contrived" in the context of analyzing behavior. If you're town, then if something "seems contrived" then that's suspicious because townies have no reason to fake it. Saying something that X said "seems contrived" means the same thing as "It looks to me like X is faking his reaction" - do you not understand how someone would get defensive about that? And then trying to paint it scummy (Y U DEFENSIVE) on top of that makes it seem like you're trying to set him up.
He tells people to post meaningfully, and that that's the only way to prod the lurkers into discussion, but his posts have not been all that useful in my opinion. Maybe it's because I disagree with his point (I don't think that will get lurkers to contribute) but I don't see his posts as helpful. He spent 3 posts just on clarifying that "seem contrived" is not equivalent to "is contrived". This is correct in reality, but I don't think it's the same when analyzying (as Viscera pointed out).
I do agree with his most recent post (we shouldn't be focusing solely on Shady's reasons for the trolling). But he says it in a way that seems to imply dropping that entirely, and then asks Shady some random questions. I'm very interested as to where this question about a spy read pops up.
So, as it stands, I think King James is scummy. His post count in this game is generally fluff telling other people to post better.
@King James
What are your reads? Who do you think is most scummy (with a post giving an explanation of your thoughts)? What is the point of asking about a spy read?
On Kush:
Kush is the other one picking up some votes right now. I really don't know where to put him having played with him recently, and having just watched his melt down in the last game. The thing that catches me most immediately is how he claims Shady is a policy lynch early on, then goes to defend him by saying it would be a terrible plan as scum so he can't be scum (I think it was Marv who pointed out that it would also be a terrible plan as town though), but then still keeps his vote parked on Shady.
I can't even call that scummy because I've played with Kush, he's very stream of consciousness so it's hard for me to actually decide if he agrees with what he's saying, or just thought of it and wrote it down then is going to disagree 20 seconds later when he thinks about it again.
Where it becomes scummy to me, is his explanation while I've been writing this post. He states his vote is staying with Shady as a policy lynch because no one he wants to lynch is likely to be lynched. The two people he does apparently want lynched are Annul and VE. Which he first stated in his one line+vote "contrived anger", but then states nothing more about it until later, saying the whole argument was contrived and he would like to lynch both of them. There's no analysis here. He says it seems contrived, but doesn't point out why he believes it. The rest of his conversation has all been about Shady pretty much exclusively.
@Kush
Why have you not pushed your main reads more? Or even commented on them more? With so much time left, why are you convinced on a Shady lynch?
For now my vote ends up on Kush.
##Vote: Kushm4sta
I'll be gone until about 5 PM Eastern, then I'll be able to post again.
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Sharrant, what have taken you so long to get involved in the game?
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Hey kush, mind popping back in and answering questions?
who would you rather lynch then? I think it is still more than enough time to get a new target out.
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I don't know coag, and I don't know VE.
On coag, its a pity that's how he plays then, I hate ppl like that. Hope seeing his brilliant play in day 2.
I still don't like how VE attacked annul though, but given this was the beggining of day one I don't necessarily think that part is scum motivated. I'd like him to be clearer on KJ, though.
Risk, yea you should read my post, I specifically addressed that.
Marv, I just don't feel that way. Shady usually comes off scummy as shit no matter his alignment, so I don't think that is enough to push a lynch.
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On October 01 2012 22:27 Z-BosoN wrote:
I don't know coag, and I don't know VE.
On coag, its a pity that's how he plays then, I hate ppl like that. Hope seeing his brilliant play in day 2.
I still don't like how VE attacked annul though, but given this was the beggining of day one I don't necessarily think that part is scum motivated. I'd like him to be clearer on KJ, though.
Risk, yea you should read my post, I specifically addressed that.
Marv, I just don't feel that way. Shady usually comes off scummy as shit no matter his alignment, so I don't think that is enough to push a lynch.
In my experience Shady's scummyness usually comes from massive bouts of "lol didn't read thread!". His play here is distinct from this normal ailment of his. Well, aside from the fact he said he was reading filters and then didn't give us anything, but that's not the same either ^^
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On October 01 2012 22:27 Z-BosoN wrote:
I don't know coag, and I don't know VE.
On coag, its a pity that's how he plays then, I hate ppl like that. Hope seeing his brilliant play in day 2.
I still don't like how VE attacked annul though, but given this was the beggining of day one I don't necessarily think that part is scum motivated. I'd like him to be clearer on KJ, though.
Risk, yea you should read my post, I specifically addressed that.
Marv, I just don't feel that way. Shady usually comes off scummy as shit no matter his alignment, so I don't think that is enough to push a lynch.
bolded is not going to happen.
I read your post. I was asking for context if there were any. Don't tell me to go read your post again. If there is more, explain it so I understand what you mean. Don't tell me to go guess what you mean.
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On October 01 2012 13:17 Shady Sands wrote:In response to trolling: I think people are drastically overblowing the following post: Show nested quote +The whole plan was either to troll hard and have some fun, or enjoy a serious, non-troll game of Mafia by inciting the mod to explicitly threaten a modkill for trolling and scare all the trolls into the straight and narrow. How is that a lie, Marv? I explicitly said I was trolling even though on the very first page DrH told GRush to eff off for presumed trolliness. I knew this was going to get me a high chance of being modkilled. But given that there are people who are possibly smurfing for others here, there's still a risk that trolls are here, so I wanted to play that way to make sure no one dared to troll... or at least I could abuse tolerance for trolls to the same extent as others. Now reading through filters
rofl
i think if you were town the top concern would be to find scum. get out scum.
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On October 01 2012 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 13:08 mkfuba07 wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something significant here... He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green.
holy shit, seriously? what an easy decision.
##vote kushm4sta
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Who would I rather lynch? anull because his anger seemed contrived. Contrived anger is one of those things where you can't prove it but if its happening it means they are 100 scum. No town would ever have contrived anger.
Then again I'm at quite a disadvantage because I do not know any of the big players meta. VE was quite scummy to me, for instance, like how he dropped that anul vote so easily with a really bad explanation. Marv says he is acting un accordance with his meta though, and that's not something I can really argue with.
Let's just lynch shady. Worst case scenario, shady is gone. Sounds pretty win-win.
He can get back to his CLIENTS.
my read on him is null maybe slightly town.
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On October 01 2012 23:03 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:On October 01 2012 13:08 mkfuba07 wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something significant here... He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green. holy shit, seriously? what an easy decision. ##vote kushm4sta
don't vote me for being honest about how I feel
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Dude, you referred to a specific part that I mentioned. Do you want me to quote it for you? My main concern is how he took the tone of putting him above other posters, and then went ahead to give a confusing case on KJ and stating he wants him to be lynched, but doesn't take a stance and just keeps it at a "I'd go with his lynch". I also don't like how he criticized KJ for for not commenting on the main aspects of the game when he himself had just bothered dealing with Ss case, after a long time tunneling annul for a petty reason (imo).
Node seems to disagree with you, on the bolded part.
@marv
Yea his not making a single case yet with no followup for his vote on me is definitely suspicious. In XXIV he was all over the place. I don't like how most of the votes on him are based solely on the trolliness, which is an entirely different saspect.
Kush is another player that is heavily scummy, and he has a very hard time making cases when he's scum, so I'd rather wait a bit before taking a stance on him.
I don't like, however, how sharrant dealt with why ss isn't scummy, especially his explanation on how it could be town/scum motivated. My view is just that he has some issues and thought it would be funny, and in his embarassment he posted a ridiculous "according to plan" follow up that increased his ridiculousness, and tthats iT, nothing more. What happens after is an entirely different matter, but not why ppl are wanting to lynch him for.
God, typing on my cellphone takes forever
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On October 01 2012 23:06 kushm4sta wrote:
Who would I rather lynch? anull because his anger seemed contrived. Contrived anger is one of those things where you can't prove it but if its happening it means they are 100 scum. No town would ever have contrived anger.
Then again I'm at quite a disadvantage because I do not know any of the big players meta. VE was quite scummy to me, for instance, like how he dropped that anul vote so easily with a really bad explanation. Marv says he is acting un accordance with his meta though, and that's not something I can really argue with.
Let's just lynch shady. Worst case scenario, shady is gone. Sounds pretty win-win.
He can get back to his CLIENTS.
my read on him is null maybe slightly town.
Man, you're trying pretty hard to move away from the spazzy town I know you as. I wasnt really considering you scummy until recently, but you're working so hard to get there Im gonna have to give in soon.
Especially the last three sentences makes no sense at all. Actually saying "Lets just lynch X" like you really mean it as a proper argument. Worst case is we lose a town, yes? How is that win-win? And then finishing it by saying you have a null/town-read on him?????? On top of that we have the contradictory part where you say
also no one who I want to lynch is getting lynched
yet you seem to want to lynch Shady pretty badly. And the phrasing on that quote also make it sound like you have several you wanna lynch, yet you only mention one (annul).
Im blown away.
I'll unvote, KJ is still a viable target to me but Kush is moving up there too. And I'd like at least a response to the accusations by SS before I completely write him off (dont really consider his posting scummy, but him going lurk-mode when things start to heat up is worrying).
##unvote
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kush as townie:
On September 03 2012 18:47 kushm4sta wrote:
So it seems like the consensus is to lynch either cubu or kville. Anyone not feel this way?
Even if they aren't mafia they are solid policy lynches.
Now the question is which one.
Kville is the bigger lurker, but I think there is a higher possibility for cubu to actually be mafia.
Honestly cubu probably isn't mafia either, just because I think mafia would put more effort into their posts. Lynching one of these guys is better than lynching someone who is active though. So my vote is still on cubu.
Will vote for policy lynches just fine, check
Calls Cubu probably not mafia but is happy to have his vote on him, check
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On October 01 2012 23:33 marvellosity wrote:kush as townie: Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 18:47 kushm4sta wrote:
So it seems like the consensus is to lynch either cubu or kville. Anyone not feel this way?
Even if they aren't mafia they are solid policy lynches.
Now the question is which one.
Kville is the bigger lurker, but I think there is a higher possibility for cubu to actually be mafia.
Honestly cubu probably isn't mafia either, just because I think mafia would put more effort into their posts. Lynching one of these guys is better than lynching someone who is active though. So my vote is still on cubu. Will vote for policy lynches just fine, check Calls Cubu probably not mafia but is happy to have his vote on him, check
You have a point, but thats a lurker policy vote. If he's looking to lynch lurkers there still 1 or 2 who hasnt posted yet I think. His SS vote in this game seems more like a "I dont like him"-policy vote, which I cant even see how he could justify for himself that it makes sense from a town perspective.
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Marv, thoughts on Sharrant?
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On September 30 2012 13:57 Risen wrote:
Hi guys. Not posting is boring as shit. Tried it in the caller game. Was never a lynch target, but I didn't have any fun, either. So I guess you'll be getting high post count Risen. Objective is as usual, don't rage the fuck out.
On October 01 2012 16:44 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 03:38 kushm4sta wrote:On September 30 2012 13:57 Risen wrote:
Hi guys. Not posting is boring as shit. Tried it in the caller game. Was never a lynch target, but I didn't have any fun, either. So I guess you'll be getting high post count Risen. Objective is as usual, don't rage the fuck out. From this quote it seems strategically beneficial for scum to be semi lurkers. Unrelated and seemingly contradicting what I just said, ##FOS Risen. Why are you even thinking about what playstyle will keep you from getting lynched? Because apparently that's how you should play as town. I've been doing it wrong since day 1. The point isn't to win, it's to avoid getting lynched as town. Also, I feel like I'm invisible...
Let me revisit one of my FOSes.
These two quotes seem like they are coming from a scum perspective.
To Risen, lurkers are an easy way to not get lynched.
To me, lurkers are an easy way for scum to hide.
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On October 01 2012 21:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 20:43 Mementoss wrote:On October 01 2012 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:On October 01 2012 13:08 mkfuba07 wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something significant here... He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green. ##Vote: Kushm4sta Pretty self explanatory. Except I don't think he's scum at the moment. He's managing to be surprisingly unargumentative and I don't think he has the self-control to pull that off as a lie. His town games are littered with big scumslips, and I've watched/coached/hosted every single one of his newbie games.
I agree with marv here. I obs'd his newbie games, and IMO as a townie he's relaxed and passive. As scum, he rages.
I said it earlier, I think his logic is fucking terrible, but his mentality has been that of his townie play. But this isn't a newbie game, so I spent a lot of time trying to make him see that it was terrible. I guess he doesn't want to listen.
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