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On October 04 2012 00:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 00:24 Z-BosoN wrote:On October 03 2012 23:59 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On October 03 2012 23:35 DarthPunk wrote:
I will vote debears if I am alive. alsn flipping town does not mean Debears is town. Although with Lesrah being red I could see scum Being a lurker. That being said I implore you to look at Shady and Djodref as they are the two other candidates that look scummiest IMO. I was starting to get a town vibe from Djo but Shady, Remedy, Omni and Djo all needs to be looked into in detail. I'm having a sneaking suspicion that Omni won't be the only one who'll come off as scummy. come off as scummy I'm sure a lot of people will. Alsn, for example, did. We just gotta learn to differentiate them from townie scummy and scummy scummy  Gah. Should have made the case today. It is there. I feel bad that I didn;t put any effort in today. Hopefully I won;t die. But i certainly don;t like my chances. Any way. sleep then school, i'll check when i get back from uni. BYE ALL <3
What? Case on who? If you die at least you've left us with an intriguing cliffhanger :p
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On October 04 2012 00:40 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 00:38 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On October 04 2012 00:27 DarthPunk wrote:On October 04 2012 00:24 Z-BosoN wrote:On October 03 2012 23:59 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On October 03 2012 23:35 DarthPunk wrote:
I will vote debears if I am alive. alsn flipping town does not mean Debears is town. Although with Lesrah being red I could see scum Being a lurker. That being said I implore you to look at Shady and Djodref as they are the two other candidates that look scummiest IMO. I was starting to get a town vibe from Djo but Shady, Remedy, Omni and Djo all needs to be looked into in detail. I'm having a sneaking suspicion that Omni won't be the only one who'll come off as scummy. come off as scummy I'm sure a lot of people will. Alsn, for example, did. We just gotta learn to differentiate them from townie scummy and scummy scummy Gah. Should have made the case today. It is there. I feel bad that I didn;t put any effort in today. Hopefully I won;t die. But i certainly don;t like my chances. Any way. sleep then school, i'll check when i get back from uni. BYE ALL <3 What? Case on who? If you die at least you've left us with an intriguing cliffhanger :p On Djo and Shady.
Oh yeah I'm being dense.
I agree on Stutters, his meta is null for me and d1 play townie. For now not a candidate.
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Yeah I agree. I don't think it's guaranteed, overconfidence is a bitch, but it looks like a good start.
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Cliffhanger is still cliffhanger. I wonder what in particular Darth was thinking about when he said Djo is very scummy. I still think the case I made against him has a lot of merit, but since then my scum read has been waning. I haven't really looked into his filter lately though and maybe he got some coach help once he got into trouble.
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Uh, not sure what just happened. There are a few obvious options but I don't know if speculating will help us. One thing is for sure though, if anyone got roleblocked this is most certainly the time to claim.
Boson, looking at the role list there is only JK and scum roleblocker.
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The setup in OP, town roleblocker isn't possible.
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Alright, maybe I was misunderstanding what you were saying but yeah I agree, no one claiming RB pretty surely means those roles aren't around. I've seen some games with roles that have been left null because the lack of other roles (ie miller without any role checking role), so I'm not sure we can be certain. It seems likely though.
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On October 04 2012 11:10 Djodref wrote:EBWOP:
- Association case with kush
- scumslip
- Reluctant to address relevant points against him
- it makes sense regarding kush's explosion
- WIFOM bombs
Which points do you think he hasn't addressed? Make sure to sum them up before lynch time, because this just looks like a wayyy oversimplification of the case.
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And yeah I'm not at all foreign to the idea of lynching Omni d3. I still really like my case. He needs to get his ass back in here to himself.
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I never looked into Corrosion's filter in detail but Shady is coming off suspicious. He first drops in and puts a vote on Alsn d2. Now he just drops in and put a vote in on Debears, a target where there has seemed to concensus in the past and there is unlikely to be resistance. If he's scum he's in a position where there seems to likely be two targets he can pick off really easily and town loses several days. Other than that he's doing nothing at all. Darth was suspicious of him as well, I'll be looking into Shady next
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I'm here now, will respond soon.
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Yeah it would've been a good idea to wait but since you posted...
On October 04 2012 19:27 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote:
@SDM
Last time I've checked Omni's filter, I had a slight town-read on him. I think he is a newbie town sheeping onto cases. To be honest, I think the same of the late corrosion, Remedy and Omni. I guess my filter has a little of the same flavor. So I easily sympathize with them and don't try to look more into it.
I think we are too gullible and take the cases from more experienced players as the truth itself. After that we are just reading the thread with confirmation bias so it seems natural and ok to jump on bandwagons. But at the same time, we don't want to admit that we are just sheeping so it ends up looking very washy-washy.
So when Omni says "I could reference Z-Boson case", I think he just has a strong town read on him and he is sheeping him.
Your points are correct nevertheless and I hope they are going to push Omni to shape up and produce better posts.
@Everyone
This game isn't over yet ! Don't be all laid back and trust the outcome of the game to Darth, Z-BosoN and the more experienced and active players. There is still a little possibility for them to be scum and, if this is the case, then this is the doom of Newb-Lurky Ville !
As for me, I've spent too much time looking at poisonous wine glasses lately but I'll try to shape up tomorrow. This post is a prepared post to explain my slight town-read on Omni while he is on the spot at the beginning of D3. I'm not going to post it as soon as finish so it might be irrelevant depending on the events in the thread. But as everyone is sleeping or dead, I think it should be ok. Before reading my post, I recommend everyone to check his filter twice with the assumption that he is scum then the assumption that he is town. It's not hard nor long and you can forge your own opinion this way. Nevertheless, here is the points in his filter which speak for him: - Clear stance on Kush before him exploding I'm arguing the exact opposite pretty much, read my case. He's very indecisive then leaves the thread.
- Picking up debears scumslip ! He basically pointed out a slip of which the significance can be debated then left the thread in the midst of a shit storm. This is only a good point if we knew Debears is scum.
- Build a self-admitted weak case on Remedy in order to make this other lurker posting more What?
- Transparent on his motivations What?
- Following cases of other players like a brainless sheep (wait it's not a town trait!)
But he really needs to post more so...
I don't get how any of this speaks for him but yeah, don't defend him any further and wait for him to reply.
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On October 04 2012 19:41 Djodref wrote:Owww shit it looks like I've just clicked on the wrong button... I wanted to say that Omni he's back to a null-read after the redaction of my previous post. I'm really looking forward to see his defense and I hope to see more original cases from him in the future. I also have myself a small point against him that I would like him to comment. What did you do to deserve a chocolate chip ? and Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 02:15 Omniscient4983 wrote:On October 01 2012 01:29 Djodref wrote:In fact, this is what I did by checking the filter of corrosion. I read his twice with the two following assumptions : - he is scum and made a case against Darth to discredit him and try to avoid kush's lynch
- he is a newbie town who felt the urge to post an original case
His filter makes more sense with the second option, especially when I look at his latest posts. So I have a mild town-read on him. @DjodrefThat's exactly my read on him atm. He certainly seems more newbie-town than scum right now. This is why I was questioned your suspicions of him. Glad to see we can agree on this read. Trying to be nice and cute and small attempts to buddy me. What are your motivations behind this ?With the few posts you have, you should better spend them on scum-reads than town-reads.
Trying to just get along has scum motivations. It's a if I got your back you got mine type of deal where the one getting the town read goes: "this guy knows I'm town, what a lovely fella! he's probably town too!". Not only is it easier for scum to give out town reads because they know they are correct, but it will also buy sympathy/protection/comfort.
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On October 04 2012 20:25 Djodref wrote:So should I be suspicious of Z-BosoN because he is saying that I'm cute ?
Well, you do come off as quite the cutie :p
But seriously, if you look at Boson's play you can hardly accuse him of cockriding. He's been aggressive and pro-town from the start and there's a difference between being able to give out town reads and cockriding. Obviously being aggressive and seemingly pro-town doesn't make one town, but that's the direction I'm leaning in.
On October 04 2012 20:30 Djodref wrote:
@SDM
By the way while you are here, what is your take on the "reluctance" of debears ?
We've been discussing the Debears case for almost a week now, it's about time we focus on others. I'll get back with thoughts when we're getting closer to EOD.
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Just went through the Shady part of the filter... not a lot of posts but the ones there are certainly aren't convincing.
On October 02 2012 16:21 Shady Sands wrote:
I'm still not sold on Debears yet. Every time people push him as a lynch and everyone just nods along and agrees (this is based on a cursory ready through 30+ pages of filter late at night, so pardon me if I'm totally wrong about this), I get a wierd feeling in the pit of my stomach. Why? Because scum is already down one, there is almost zero chance they'd accede easily to a second consecutive bus. So if everyone is nodding along on Debears, and scum isn't going to roll over and bus again, then, WIFOM as this reasoning is, it doesn't seem reasonable that Debears should be scum.
How do you choose Debears over Alsn because everyone "nods along" to his case? Where did you get the impression anyone was oppose the Alsn wagon?
On October 03 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:
Alright, since Lesrah wasn't posting through D2 then that means that if debears was the other scum there was no other scum trying to stop his lynch. Hence the lack of opposition to his lynch becomes less of a town-tell to me. This, coupled with the earlier case on him (which he hasn't adequately responded to, imo) makes me view him as scum.
## Vote debears
I mean like... what? The lack of resistance for the Debears wagon was the only reason you didn't like it? And instead choose the Alsn wagon which had just as little resistance? Nothing else, other than that he hasn't "adequately responded" to his earlier case. Not even mentioning which part of the case you think makes Debears suspicious. Not only do your weak reasoning make you suspicious of Debears, it makes you certain he is scum?
On October 03 2012 13:16 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 13:12 debears wrote:@Shady On October 03 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:
Alright, since Lesrah wasn't posting through D2 then that means that if debears was the other scum there was no other scum trying to stop his lynch. Hence the lack of opposition to his lynch becomes less of a town-tell to me. This, coupled with the earlier case on him (which he hasn't adequately responded to, imo) makes me view him as scum.
## Vote debears
Heading out for the night. If I don't make it back by daypost, cop please check omni or remedy and remember it is possible GF is last mafia. That's all, glhf. If you believe I'm the last scum, why wouldn't you nightcheck me? Why should I? It wastes a nightcheck on someone I'm certain is scum.
Such complete and ridiculous sheeping, unfortunately you're not the only one.
On October 04 2012 17:08 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Shady is coming off suspicious. He first drops in and puts a vote on Alsn d2. Now he just drops in and put a vote in on Debears, a target where there has seemed to concensus in the past and there is unlikely to be resistance. If he's scum he's in a position where there seems to likely be two targets he can pick off really easily and town loses several days. Other than that he's doing nothing at all.
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On October 05 2012 00:18 Z-BosoN wrote:I take RSC to be town. His posts seem genuine, despite posting less, and he's made some good points on corrosion (now shady) and omni, my two main suspicions. It seems like his townie meta, I'd like someone who's played with him to confirm. This only leaves SS and Omni, both players who attacked kush in a non-convincing manner early in day one and hopped on not too impressively on the Alsn wagon. I still have to read more carefully, but from my readings on my small-screened cell phone in class, It seems this way. SS and Omni seem like good lynch contenders for the second edition of battle for the noose What do you guys think?
I played XXVII with Remedy but I got NK n1 and only followed the game casually after that. Didn't pay too much attention to Remedy (town), he kept quite a low activity level and didn't really stick out (I was a bit suspicious of him but I think it was mostly because of his low activity). If anything my feeling is his posts are of higher quality this game but I don't have any scum meta from him and I'd need to go through his filter in order to get a better read.
Yeah, I think both Omni and Shady look like two good lynching candidates. They really need to get into this thread and start contributing/answering questions. Seriously, last couple of days Shady, Omni and Stutters have been basically completely missing and a handful of others don't post a lot at all.
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I'd also be up for lynching that Slosh guy, I don't like those discreptancies at all :p
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On October 05 2012 00:43 debears wrote:
ebwop
@sonic
yeah
Post those notes if they're readable. Or otherwise some summary of what you found.
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On October 05 2012 01:28 Djodref wrote:
Also I would agree that Remedy has the strongest town posts among the newbie lurkers.
But it could still be not so difficult to produce such a play as scum, doesn't it ?
I mean that he mainly kept his eye on the newbies...
He's null to me right now. Like you say his low activity level style play is easy to emulate as scum.
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I like my Omni case best.
##Vote Omniscient4983
This doesn't mean you're off the hook, Shady. Both of you need to start posting.
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