Rockband Mini Mafia

On September 18 2012 06:21 Mementoss wrote:


well this is a lie already, what is it with people lieing on there first post?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874

You hosted a game he was in.

More MKFUBA games if you want
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On September 18 2012 06:32 iamperfection wrote:
I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity.

Your guys thoughts?

On September 18 2012 06:43 Mementoss wrote:


These are the kinda thoughts you keep in your head.
Mafia purposely keeps marv alive, for a totally WIFOM, end game cause of what you said.

Explain why you think iamperfection is mafia because of that post. No random lynches.

On September 18 2012 07:09 Blazinghand wrote:


The fact of the matter is, as town prplhz is aggressive, throws his vote around, and is fearless, and in like 4 scum games he is the opposite. Sorry, is 4 scum games not enough to convince you to vote him? That's fine! Show me some counter-evidence! If you think he's genuinely town, you have 2 options to move my vote off him.

1) show me my case is wrong (rather than just poking at it ineffectually). I've seen you do this as town so I know you can.
2) present a better case.

If it's really a bad D1 case like you said, you should be able to do better. Do it. I'll vote who-ever is the scummiest in the thread and lynch scum. Right now, that's prplhz, and you have utterly failed to convince me otherwise.

On September 18 2012 07:17 Blazinghand wrote:


Prplhz mentality and behavior is that of a dude who is prodding and asking inane questions to which he already knows the answer. This rings alarm bells for me, and it's the reason I did some research into his meta in the first place. You're welcome to dismiss the meta, but the fact of the matter is he has done no scumhunting and has tried to appear active when in fact he is asking questions which do not apply pressure and to which he already knows the answer.

On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote:


I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. 1 It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early.2 If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later.3 But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4

On September 18 2012 08:02 Mementoss wrote:


1) Yeah first post was scummy and it fits the meta analysis aka best case atm. How is accusing people scummy?
2) I said no such thing as voting too early is because a lot of people think they have to wait till last minute to vote especially on day 1, and usually a bad consolidation happens. Voting earlier will just bring up more cases throughout the day.
3) Nothing to do with one another.
4) How is calling someone scummy wishy washy.

I don't follow your logic. But I guess it's your thing to jump on me day 1s lol.

But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4

On September 18 2012 08:38 HiroPro wrote:
hapa, your thoughts on goodkarma?

On September 18 2012 09:26 austinmcc wrote:
BH you're high-fiving Hapa. You okay with the speed at which he swapped off me?

marv, I'd like your thoughts here as well. Do you feel the same way hapa does about my explanation?

On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:
you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you.

The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1.

Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game.


I say we respect his wishes.

## Vote Marvelosity

On September 18 2012 09:35 iamperfection wrote:

what?

On September 18 2012 09:39 Blazinghand wrote:
lol hapa

On September 18 2012 09:55 Mementoss wrote:


Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself.

On September 18 2012 10:00 Hapahauli wrote:


First post as in the rando lynch thing? Well that's not indicative of his alignment as far as I'm concerned, considering he mentioned it was pre-planned.

What I find strange is his opinion on BH's case. Flips out very suddenly, and I'm currently reading it as scummy in context of the lack of contributions he's had so far. I'll need much more to vote him though.

Top scumread's still U btw.

let's look at this post for instance. This is a confirmation bias-kind of post, but it in no way means anything to IAMP's alignment. In fact, it is just another null tell. Yet for some odd reason that I can't think of, someone cursing at a case(made by BH of all people) is somehow over-the-top scummy

See this is the issue here: Hapahauli finds something on IMP's post and thinks it's scummy.

The funniest part of this all(that I just realized)? He never voted IMP! Even though he proposes imp's lynch twice(first after his random vote, then now by saying he is over-the-top scummy), he is set on mementoss. His reasoning is explained as mementoss being 'wishy-washy' on almost less evidence than BH himself!

Finally, dismissing a case = defending the player. If you are going to dismiss a case, you either provide solid evidence(more than 'this case is bad because it is not researched enough' even though it had 3 months worth of research) or you show why the attacked player is townie.

Is NOT at all part of my case. I never, EVER, mentioned that you voted him. I mentioned that you proposed that he is a good player to be lynched after his BS from the first-post(which in turn leads you to be eligible to the Zephirdd Rule). Who is not reading?

am I misrepresenting?

You did propose his lynch. A town player is supposed to lynch scum, so why would you propose his lynch? If you are proposing someone's lynch, it certainly is because you think he is scum. Or is it?

Hint hint there are several ways to react to that post in a townie manner. They were done just before you did.

On September 18 2012 12:52 Zephirdd wrote:
Also, it's funny that Mementoss is supposed to be your strongest scum read when you talked so much about IMP. In fact, it's funny that you post this:

but mementoss is still your scum read here:

Your whole case on IMP is that he reacted to marv's case by cursing. You called that over the top scummy.

Your whole case on Mementoss is simply terrible to warrant a vote.

Hell, even your pressure-vote on austin wasn't the brightest of them. I mean, what can we get from that? That you are being useful by making others do their work?

And then you top it off with a pretty OMGUS.

:D

On September 18 2012 13:40 Zephirdd wrote:
tbh hapa, there is very little that would change my mind coming from you.
How do you go from over-the-top scummy into 'leaning scum'?

I am suggesting that you should push your scum read when you have a freaking scum read.

Your case on him is that you think he is wishy-washy. that's it. Apparently, being wishy-washy day1 is scummier than the over-the-top scum. Before you say it, I'm not misrepresenting anything here.

On September 18 2012 13:40 Zephirdd wrote:
tbh hapa, there is very little that would change my mind coming from you.

hapa was the person who brought up suspicion of Mementoss for jumping onto the prplhz case early. Yet later hapa tried to say that no one was supicious of Mementoss for voting early and says that Mementoss is making unneccessary excuses. When hapa asked me for my thoughts on Mementoss, that was one of the points I brought up. Yet hapa has completely ignored it. So not only did hapa not remember his own read, which suggests it's fake, but then he ignores me when I point out a direct flaw in his case.

On September 19 2012 01:35 marvellosity wrote:


No, it's not convincing, but I found his point about throwing a bunch of new candidates into an already divided town pretty decent. I disagree on GK for the reason I outlined earlier.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember you being fairly critical of the town in DN Mini mafia for wanting to lynch Palmar D1.

On September 19 2012 02:28 HiroPro wrote:


Why are my points on goodkarma/Palmar weak. Explain.

On September 19 2012 05:03 HiroPro wrote:

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Is this something that hapa normally feels? I remember him voting for Palmar in DN for no other reason than that Palmar was trolling.

On September 19 2012 04:39 marvellosity wrote:
Ange, dear, what do you make of Hapa's point in the first place?

Like, Hapa is a clever fellow. The line of reasoning he proposed - "you think he's scum therefore why would you consider what he has to say" seems really off to me. Not quite as off as prplhz agreeing with it mind, but off nonetheless.

On September 19 2012 05:19 marvellosity wrote:
The fact is that you made the vote at all, Hapa.

On September 19 2012 05:34 marvellosity wrote:
also, I'll answer you on Palmar if you can give me a coherent scum motivation behind my blatant OMGUS

gogogo

Palmar, blazinghand, hapahauli. Your opinions on prplhz?

On September 19 2012 05:48 Zephirdd wrote:
True. Do you think it's worth more to kill mkfuba now than say, prplhz(your top scum read)? Or is it a game of chances or something?


Do you consider that post something that would never be made as scum? How is sheeping on marv a null tell, considering marv is now voting him again and his reasoning to vote Palmar was basically a 'lol'?

On September 19 2012 05:51 Blazinghand wrote:


Hm, that's a really good question. I suppose you're right-- prplhz is more clearly scum so I should be focusing on getting him lynched. I'm gonna break with every rule and advice I've ever followed or given, though, and continue with this vote on mkfuba. The reason is simple. His play pisses me off (logically, not emotionally) and I refuse to let it go by. I will NOT allow him to live, I will NOT allow his tactics, his choices to be a viable scum strategy. This isn't a policy lynch, this is a matter of principle. He will not skate by.

I'll take what you said about prplhz to heart, though. I'm gonna think about it and reread prplhz filter for a bit. Perhaps I should be voting him.

On September 19 2012 05:52 marvellosity wrote:
I'm amazed you think weak sheeping from a seasoned player is a null tell, hapa.

On September 19 2012 05:59 marvellosity wrote:


So far all he's done is provide pointless townread and sheep pathetically, and you're reading town?

On September 19 2012 06:07 Zephirdd wrote:
anyways I'm back to work. I want to see other people answering the stuff I asked

On September 19 2012 09:46 mkfuba07 wrote:
It's mostly that you give up a boatload of town reads and only commit to a scumread after the best scumhunter (or so I've been told) also votes for that person. The fact that that person is marv, who would be a big loss if he flips town (which I currently think he would), is a factor in that as well.

On September 18 2012 10:57 HiroPro wrote:


What was it specifically about prplhz's post that you liked?

On September 18 2012 14:25 HiroPro wrote:
Why is the case on prplhz good, Zeph?

On September 20 2012 01:08 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa, could you give me your current read on austin, please?

On September 20 2012 00:02 Zephirdd wrote:


##unvote
##vote prplhz

bluelightz sheeps any player who he feels to be town
blazinghand had his view changed but decided prplhz to be better after all
Mementoss has stated that his top scum read is the one guy he is voting, and most of his posts are somehow connected to prplhz's case or people who aren't on his case
austin looks bad, I don't disagree with it
I've posted my reasons earlier and IMP is clearly not happening
Ange is legit as well like you said

and finally, there is way too much resistance on prplhz. resistance in form of a marvellosity lynch that I find to be unjustified, in form of a mementoss lynch that is coming out of fucking nowhere, in form of terrible posts from iamperfection, in form of terrible posts from hiropro.

On September 20 2012 01:22 Mementoss wrote:
EBWOP: @ Hapa if you read my last post before my defence post, I mention that I still maintain that I think prphlz is scum and the way the lynch is going makes me think he is scum even more.

On September 20 2012 01:33 marvellosity wrote:


Probably referring to this, Hapa.

On September 20 2012 05:59 austinmcc wrote:

C9++ rolls...2 or 3 scum right? You're saying they either out their ENTIRE team or 2/3 of it to save one?

On September 20 2012 06:04 Ange777 wrote:
Claiming mason is so easy and you really waited till the last few minutes to do it?

On September 20 2012 05:42 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm still in class, but I finally have a chance to post.

I was leaning towards removing my vote before I had to swich classes, but I didn't want to just unvote and leave without having a chance to say why. Most of my arguments for him were addressed with his recent posting. He has become more active and, I may just be easily swayed (hell, I know I am) but he seems sincere in his recent scumhunting.

##Unvote
##Vote prplhz

I actually think that I would be happier with a MMToss lynch, but at the moment the only options appear to be austin and prplhz, and I'm liking austin more right now.

On September 20 2012 07:22 austinmcc wrote:

Marv was discussing lynching fuba before you brought up that post.

On September 20 2012 07:22 iamperfection wrote:

what you think of ange?

On September 20 2012 08:12 Palmar wrote:
What the hell happened with the claim...

Anyway dumb lynch. I'll post later.

On September 20 2012 06:03 Mementoss wrote:
vote for worst claim in history both timing and context.

On September 20 2012 06:03 Mementoss wrote:
Alright Hapa pretty confirmed?

On September 20 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote:


Yeah you claiming before the flip was good because you confirmed yourself.

Prphlhz claiming vig not so good.

On September 20 2012 08:07 Mementoss wrote:


Since we both have a scum read on MKfuba who would your 2nd best scum read be atm.

He mentions him twice until I call him out for it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250&currentpage=11#207
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250&currentpage=24#475 (last paragraph)

On September 20 2012 04:21 Palmar wrote:
I don't even understand this game anymore.

Here's the deal. prplhz isn't scum. There was a legit concern earlier that he might be but anyone that still thinks he's scum has their heads faaar up their asses.

mementoss is probably not scum.

marv and austinmcc both have a good chance of being scum, but I feel considerably better about marv. It's also very strange how hard it is to get any kind of a train rolling against marv. I've already explained why this guy is the one that needs to hang today.

Can we consolidate there, please?

On September 20 2012 04:43 Palmar wrote:
Fuck it. I'm off for a bit.

[b]I'll rather no-lynch than do a dumb lynch so see you guys later.[b]

On September 21 2012 01:45 marvellosity wrote:


On the flip side to this (talking to myself here), Bluelightz backing down off Mementoss like that is a typical BL town thing to do.

On August 22 2012 10:53 Bluelightz wrote:
Hello, Bluelightz is here .

I have suspicions on Obvious which I will outline in my next post.

On August 22 2012 10:59 Bluelightz wrote:
Nevermind my Obvious suspicions, his response is towny.



His response is towny because of this (that he has time, he's spending time to discuss stuff with town).

On August 24 2012 10:41 Bluelightz wrote:
I'd love jumping to chez, but imma make a quick case first on him.

Eh? I just read that and that's not what happened at all:

I don't find that odd in the slightest, to be honest.

In NMM3 he called Obvious scum, Obvious made some response, Bluelightz backed down immediately.

On September 21 2012 01:59 HiroPro wrote:
Bluelightz's play is not similar to NMM2, lol. I cohosted that game. I haven't payed much attention to his town games (other than WOF, which is an aberration for him), so I dunno about that part.

I remember in NMM2 he was forcing his reads so hard. Like it was obvious that he was going after someone just to look like he was doing something.

The way to catch him is when he slips (he slipped hard that game in the VE-slOosh lynch). Connections work too.

But I haven't see anything from him this game that's really alignment-indicative.

On September 21 2012 02:29 Palmar wrote:
Mementoss is almost certainly town. If I do end up dead tonight you really, really need to take a critical look at the fact that prplhz and I agreed on reads. It's really fucking frustrating that you paint someone scum, then town proceeds to ignore you once you get shot.

Always look at everything said by the people night killed by mafia. Do so critically, but usually there is a reason the people who died, die.

I think marv needs to die tomorrow. If we have a vigilante, the safest targets are HiroPro and perhaps mkfuba07. Generally it's easier to shoot lurkers as they won't be missed. Hapahauli is confirmed town with no action so he should absolutely be protected tonight. However it's probably better that we assume there is a chance BlazingHand and I get protected because that might deter scum from shooting us.

it's very unfortunate prplhz messed up the claim but once he did it I suppose there wasn't anything to do but lynch him. We could've ended up with 2 confirmed townies. I was pretty sure they were both town, especially hapa, but really prplhz too.

The reason I didn't want to switch to austinmcc is that two of my strongest scumreads were already voting for him as I pointed out. Now there's obviously the chance that austin is an SK and I was just being a stubborn asshole, but with hiro and marv both trying to kill him, I saw very little reason to think he might flip scum.

mementoss's interactions with blazinghand during the first moments of the game seem very straightforward and matter of fact. there is no sense of panic as he breaks down the points Blazinhand raised against him. The main reason I think he's town are the two big posts he came up with after I posted the case on marv. In both of them he's genuinely looking at the situation as it is, instead of as he wants it to be.

His addition of mkfuba07 into the mix and the connections between marv and mkfuba is a very valuable addition to the thread, something I would not expect anyone that's scum to pick up on. It proves he's reading the thread with a lot of attention.

Regarding my own meta, marv is using it in the wrong way, obviously. The problem is marv seems to have a lot of time to post, so read everything said and done for it's content, not for who is yelling the loudest.

also, looks like hiro and marv are both voting for austinmcc, which makes it less likely that he's scum at face value, although that's a very sketchy way to think about anything. Still, just confirms to me that it's not austin but marv we should be hanging tonight.

On September 21 2012 04:21 mkfuba07 wrote:

To make sure I understand, are you pointing out that he admits his own reasoning is sketchy, but sticks with it anyway?

On September 21 2012 04:21 Mementoss wrote:


I would disagree he seemed very unsure of his read on me in the early game this game.

On September 21 2012 04:51 Mementoss wrote:


Could you elaborate more why you think MKfuba is town? I think the fear he has with posting openly has clearly painted him scum.

On September 21 2012 04:58 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa, what made you nullify your read on Mementoss?

On September 21 2012 04:57 Mementoss wrote:


Before he made that post on austin though he made a much weaker one, his filter generally gives me a feel of him being scared to post then deciding to post later. The post on me was a different way of wording what other people have already said. Hard to tell though.

On September 20 2012 03:56 mkfuba07 wrote:

Absolutely!

I think the most convincing thing about it is the overall feeling that MMToss isn't really pressuring his scumreads. He hasn't said much about prplhz since the vote until his post about marv and I being suspicious together. I actually forgot that he even had his vote on him. Austinmcc didn't feel particularly pressured. And despite feeling like MMToss should be voting for me instead of prplhz based on his posting so far, I don't feel particularly pressured by him. He seems to be kind of passively throwing around suspicion, but keeping his vote firmly set on prplhz without any force behind it. I'm not sure if this is necessarily scummy (I know, wishy-washy), but I don't feel like it's consistent with MMToss's town play (the limited amount that I have experienced).

Gotta switch classrooms... I'll take another look at austin's recent posts and comment when I'm settled in the other room. Sorry about that :<

On September 21 2012 05:16 marvellosity wrote:


order of things to do: read things and THEN comment, rather than comment and find out it's been said

On September 21 2012 06:04 Mementoss wrote:
well this is shit on 2 levels
it doesn't confirm me town at all
and i didn't hit scum.

On September 21 2012 06:06 austinmcc wrote:

SK

On September 21 2012 06:06 Mementoss wrote:


Mafia should have 2 kp if 3 players

or 1 kp SK and 1 kp mafia

Mementoss is almost certainly town. If I do end up dead tonight you really, really need to take a critical look at the fact that prplhz and I agreed on reads. It's really fucking frustrating that you paint someone scum, then town proceeds to ignore you once you get shot.
...
Mementoss's interactions with blazinghand during the first moments of the game seem very straightforward and matter of fact. there is no sense of panic as he breaks down the points Blazinhand raised against him. The main reason I think he's town are the two big posts he came up with after I posted the case on marv. In both of them he's genuinely looking at the situation as it is, instead of as he wants it to be.

On September 20 2012 03:45 iamperfection wrote:
I will follow the two guys I think are town.
## unvote
## vote austinmcc

On September 20 2012 05:23 iamperfection wrote:

I did you didn't like the explanation. And I'm starting to not like my explanation

On September 21 2012 07:33 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa, just because it came to mind - what do you make of Ange quizzing iamperfection about his vote around the time of the lynch / dumb claims?

On September 21 2012 08:04 marvellosity wrote:


Ok. Agree on your bold point quite a bit actually. Normally if scum decide to tunnel someone to look like they're contributing, that's all they do.

...
Again, I had the same exact feeling that ange was active around deadline, but the timing didn't match up. She had a lot of activity in the hour or two before the lynch, but she did NOTHING with the claims. She seemed more worried about iamperfection's vote that the claims themselves, as that's her only comment between asking if prplz could confirm hapa's mason claim and then commenting that she was waiting for the flip 3 minutes after deadline.

As you keep banging on about him, I decided to go back for myself at Normal Mini Mafia II.

And the large problem I came across is that he was quite the opposite there. In fact I was somewhat shocked to see how involved he 'seemed'. If you want me to dig up examples I will, but I think his 'tunnelyness' here is more akin to, say GSL where he basically stuck on vader for two days, than NMM2, where he was on drwiggles, VE, Sinensis, and with other interactions besides.

What say you?

On September 21 2012 08:55 marvellosity wrote:
You're ignoring my characterisation of his scumplay in NMM2, though, which is more pertinent.

On September 21 2012 09:21 marvellosity wrote:
Why do you say it was overkill? It wasn't that long.

The one thing I noticed, actually, was that he opened both the Sinensis and prplhz cases here up with

Case

I find that kinda interesting. But obviously it's not very strong. Quickly browsing through GSL/NMM3 I don't see him doing that there.

On September 20 2012 06:03 Ange777 wrote:
Where is the flip? I wanna get the celebration starting

On September 21 2012 01:07 Ange777 wrote:
@iamperfection:



What was going on? I have you marked as a scum read that's what's going on. Why would someone give up his right to vote just to simply sheep another player? Especially sheeping someone you yourself called a terrible townie. There is no town motivatoin for that kind of play. Publicly stating to sheep your town read just gives you an excuse to be wrong with your vote because you were not responsible for it.

And suddenly vote switching in the last minutes onto the seemingly scum prplhz whom you had not mentioned again after dismissing Blazinghand's case as being a weak meta case is just something I don't understand.

Two possibilities:

1) You are town. You want to make sure prplhz gets lynched. But we already had the majority to lynch him. So why the last minute vote? We discussed prplhz a lot before the end of Day 1 and you did not give your stance on him.

2) You are scum. You wanted to get some town cred for jumping on "scum prplhz".

And this leads to Ange777. From what I understand, her death would say a lot about imp. Also, you guys did an incredible job at checking ange's actions - we basically need her to explain stuff and see if she's coherent - and she looks really bad after that night I guess.

I want to see what everyone has to say about ange.

On September 21 2012 11:21 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Zeph


NULLNULLNULLNULLNULL

jk.

But seriously, thoughts on the Ange case? Also, your thoughts on Bluelightz (or anyone else you find scummy) would be cool to have.

On September 21 2012 22:40 marvellosity wrote:
at least read my thoughts on his behaviour/meta and comment on it, Hapa.

On September 22 2012 00:09 Palmar wrote:
Hiro, then possibly bluelightz, or austinmcc, but austin I would rather not lynch right now.

ange and zeph are much more in the null/leaning town territory.

hapa, meme, iamperf are the guys I'm pretty sure are town.

It's irrelevant, and sure I can make a case as to why I think Ange is town, but it's not going to be what you expect or what you want to hear.

don't think I can today though. But we have plenty of time.

On September 21 2012 22:32 Palmar wrote:


So let's say Ange gets lynched and flips town, are you going to try and lynch me for being useless.

I don't think there's enough dumb players in this game. In fact, connecting an unrevealed lynch like that to me somehow is just reinforcing my belief that you should die today. You're basically already planning for the next move after Ange gets mislynched. Fuck that, I'm not allowing you to do that.

##Vote marvellosity

@Restoftown:

Here's a very simple reason for this vote. Marv just made a post where he's planning on how to proceed in the game without considering the results of his current plan right now, which is indicative of him having additional information that we don't have, ie already knowing how an Ange lynch will end.

On September 22 2012 01:00 austinmcc wrote:


I don't like marv/hiro scum either, but check marv's posts above. The change in stance is obvious, but the reasoning for the change is weak. I thought x meant he was town, now here's this one post and I think x means Hiro is scum.

On September 22 2012 01:09 Mementoss wrote:
I'm wondering if it's best for the town if we just settle this nonsense today.
Marv vs Palmar

1. Mementoss's post's rather took my interest because he stood out out of the rest of teh people posting at the time, that't why I made my case on him, I took 10 quotes because I wanted to see how he posted after his original posting. DID YOU LOOK AT THE POST'S I QUOTED? Sure I wouldn't of made the case if Memen looked like he was contributing.

2. I didn't want to sheep, I always have my reasons for voting X or not voting Y.

3. How was I supposed to interact when I was sleeping when prplhz was on?

On my meta, I'm trying to NOT flood the town with 'useless' town reads, and keep them for when I need to defend them from a impending lynch, on the 'sure or not sure on reads' thing, I felt more confident with my choices on cases this game.

On September 18 2012 23:48 Ange777 wrote:
@Palmar:



Why wouldn't scum say this? While I agree with Blazinghand and hapa leaning town, I can't understand how you are giving iamperfection townie points.

On September 19 2012 00:07 Ange777 wrote:
Mementoss did defend iamperfection whereas Palmar simply gave him town cred for apparentely no reason. But iamperfection himself had commented on Mementoss' defense so of course I am asking for his stance on Mementoss.

...
You have shut down any discussion regarding Palmar's alignment.
Ed note: directed at prplzh

...Why not? I don't like Palmar's style of just giving away all his reads without any single explanation other than to take his word for it. (But apparentely no one else is annoyed by this fact besides me.) I am perfectly fine with discussing new lynch targets but I need to know why someone proposes them to be lynched.
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I will probably check Palmar's filter once more later, furthermore I want to know where the lurkers like austin, Bluelightz, mkfuba07 and HiroPro have gone. Stop lurking and get in the game.

On September 22 2012 03:04 Mementoss wrote:


I would disagree, I think if anything this makes it more likely that ange and palmar would be scum together. Ange has been throwing suspicion at Palmar all game, without doing a fucking thing a bout it. Thats a main point of my case on her, appearing useful through these points and questions, but really not having a purpose behind any of them, is scum motivation. They don't need a purpose they have the answers. Can you honestly say that these things ange said affected Palmar in any way whatsoever>?

On September 22 2012 04:55 marvellosity wrote:


yeah, you're just falling into the trap of being confused by his games. Pretty annoying to watch actually. I want Palmar dead more than I want Ange dead right now.

##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar

On September 22 2012 05:52 marvellosity wrote:
You should be voting for Palmar. Everyone should. Probably Ange and Palmar are both mafia, but Palmar is way more of a threat.

The discussion of the last few pages demonstrates that enough

On September 20 2012 06:03 Ange777 wrote:
Where is the flip? I wanna get the celebration starting

On September 21 2012 01:07 Ange777 wrote:
Finally people are taking a closer look at Palmar. I don't know about his past achievements of being perhaps a terrific scum hunter but I have not seen anything worthy of being praised like that in this game yet.

Unfortunately I won't be in for the deadline, for now my top scum reads are Palmar and iamperfection.

@iamperfection:



What was going on? I have you marked as a scum read that's what's going on. Why would someone give up his right to vote just to simply sheep another player? Especially sheeping someone you yourself called a terrible townie. There is no town motivatoin for that kind of play. Publicly stating to sheep your town read just gives you an excuse to be wrong with your vote because you were not responsible for it.

And suddenly vote switching in the last minutes onto the seemingly scum prplhz whom you had not mentioned again after dismissing Blazinghand's case as being a weak meta case is just something I don't understand.

Two possibilities:

1) You are town. You want to make sure prplhz gets lynched. But we already had the majority to lynch him. So why the last minute vote? We discussed prplhz a lot before the end of Day 1 and you did not give your stance on him.

2) You are scum. You wanted to get some town cred for jumping on "scum prplhz".

Right now I am leaning to 2 as you still haven't given me a satisfying answer for your voting behaviour.

On September 22 2012 13:33 Bluelightz wrote:


Point #2: I don't feel comfortable simply sheeping because it's probably my fault for being fingered for "Oh he only sheeped he might be scum", I don't like to sheep because of that.

Other point: Flooding the thread with my town reads aren't that useful if they're not the person being discussed, and that if I just flood the thread with town reads people will finger me for "He's only spouting town reads, he's not scum hunting kill him!"

TL;DR Don't like leaving things to chance

Ange777 will come after reading the thread.

While we're at it, why is Hiro scum again? I'm mainly sheeping at this point.

On September 23 2012 04:58 HiroPro wrote:
I didn't push my case on hapa because there was no one who actually seemed willing to vote for him.

On September 23 2012 05:00 HiroPro wrote:


Are you kidding me?

On September 23 2012 05:02 HiroPro wrote:
Yes because "being useful" is such an amazing indicator of whether someone is scum or not. Go read my filter, it's clear you haven't.

On September 23 2012 05:22 austinmcc wrote:

Ange was accurate D1 in the game I replaced in for her. Maybe XVI? Something.

Thread was mislynching, she had been afk for most of D1. She came in, rallied troops, found scum, wrote case, pushed, lynched scum. D1. Then replaced out, I came in, and eventually lost the game because I was dumb. qqqqqqqqqqqqq

I don't see Palmar caring. I don't see him pushing his reads.

On September 23 2012 05:27 austinmcc wrote:

He's not actually PUSHING hiro.

He gave his read, but that's it. There's no forward motion or anything, he just drops Hiro scummy at the start of the day, and then drops reasoning RIGHT BEFORE LYNCH.

On September 23 2012 05:57 iamperfection wrote:
people should know that with hapa shanigans like this can happen need to be here. nobody have phones?

On September 22 2012 13:45 Bluelightz wrote:
On Ange777, I like the points against Ange, I don't like that Ange made one case on prplhz, then made another, with the points, it's just recycling bullshit.

Right now, Palmar seems more scummy to me then Ange (but willing to switch if need be) because




Seriously? Palmar's a vet but I don't think he can go down this low, I think the unexplained list is self-evident of why it's bad.




Additionally, This post: Unexplained stuff all across the board! Then he thinks Ange IS town but refuses to disclose why HE thinks Ange is town.

Lastly, I view Palmar's tunneling of marv only to be viewed as "doing something" (read: scumhunting).

##Vote: Palmar

On September 23 2012 00:56 Bluelightz wrote:
Also, this is before I go off for the night:

##Unvote
##Vote: Ange777

Don't think having my vote on Palmar will help later on during the last minute mess.

On September 22 2012 13:33 Bluelightz wrote:


Point #2: I don't feel comfortable simply sheeping because it's probably my fault for being fingered for "Oh he only sheeped he might be scum", I don't like to sheep because of that.

Other point: Flooding the thread with my town reads aren't that useful if they're not the person being discussed, and that if I just flood the thread with town reads people will finger me for "He's only spouting town reads, he's not scum hunting kill him!"

TL;DR Don't like leaving things to chance

Ange777 will come after reading the thread.

On September 24 2012 06:20 marvellosity wrote:


if you were really clever you wouldn't have announced that