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Blazinghand
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On September 18 2012 08:37 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2012 08:23 HiroPro wrote:BH - Mad Men Yes, you have successfully posted a link to prplhz' filter in Mad Men. Would you like a cookie? A gold star? It must have been a lot of effort for you, and you really made yourself clear. Show nested quote +
You're fearless, and aren't afraid to vote first (link) and ratchet up the pressure afterwards (link) which may not be the best strat, but is definitely townie. You are bullheaded with your reads and aggressive. You don't prod first then vote, you vote then prod. All this in a game in which admittedly there are people you don't know at all. It's what a townie would do.
Explain to me where exactly prplhz had an opportunity in the game to display behavior like this. And while you're at it, show me what the difference is between prplhz's first three posts in Mad Men and his posts so far. Because I don't see anything.
Lol you're about as useful as a sack of hammers in a screwdriver factory. I'll deal with your question, though, since I can't just assume everyone here is on my level. Prplhz MAKES opportunities for himself. He atttacks players and votes without long explanations. That's what he does as town. Take a look at his vote on glasse, which you literally have quoted there. Glasse has like no posts in that game and has barely been active, and Prplhz starts foaming at the mouth and going at him. Or, well, not foaming at the mouth, but at least he votes someone. Prplhz uses his vote to get information.
He could have easily done that this game before my case, and super easily done it after my case when people starting flipping out left and right on both sides. Crap man did you even read this thread? Are you even paying attention to this game? Even if somehow prplhz lost the ability to attack people with minimal provocation, in the 2 hours since I've posted my case there's been a flurry of activity, and he had an opportunity to be aggressive there quite easily.
So yeah basically you're talking out your ass. Nice try though.
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Blazinghand
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Like, here was Glasse's filter in Mad Men when prplhz voted him:
On August 03 2012 03:12 Glasse wrote:This could mean rape, rape can end up with a kill sometimes... and it may happen during the night. This guy is mafia let's lynch him.
On August 03 2012 12:13 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 12:08 talismania wrote:On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. oh man I hope bc didn't link role names and actual roles. kinda bet he did though That could be kinda unfair for those like me who has no clue about mad men. I have no clue who the fuck roger sterling is and what it could imply. So the time was changed to 9pm, so i guess it's day until saturday at 9pm?
On August 03 2012 12:13 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 12:08 talismania wrote:On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. oh man I hope bc didn't link role names and actual roles. kinda bet he did though That could be kinda unfair for those like me who has no clue about mad men. I have no clue who the fuck roger sterling is and what it could imply. So the time was changed to 9pm, so i guess it's day until saturday at 9pm?
On August 03 2012 22:27 Glasse wrote:
If the mason role is as important as some people are saying, calling them out only exposes them to mafia no?
On August 03 2012 22:29 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 22:16 Zephirdd wrote:
Erandorr, why masoning someone who just outted his mason? wherebugsgo might be full of shit, who knows?
Clearly prplhz doesn't need some sort of massive "opportunity" to make a case, he just VOTES. That's what he does as town.
He's not town this game. Did you even read the filter you linked? Did you even read that game?
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Blazinghand
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On September 18 2012 08:44 Hapahauli wrote:Null - he's made one post, and from what I know of his meta, he's capable of that as town or scum.
Hapa is correct. GK should still respond to people's responses to his response, though.
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Blazinghand
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Don't worry guys HP is busy reading the filter/game he linked and prplhz is busy chatting with scumbuddies so I guess it's just me here
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Blazinghand
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HH my bro it is good to see you 
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Blazinghand
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...what? prplhz made his vote on glasse when glasse's filter has 5 posts. He did it based on the posts I have quoted there. How the hell is that an "opportunity" when the stuff that's happened so far this game isn't an opportunity? Please explain your reasoning, because somehow it eludes me. I suspect we are thinking on different levels.
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Blazinghand
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On September 18 2012 06:32 iamperfection wrote:
I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity.
Your guys thoughts?
I think you're scum
##unvote
##vote: iamperfection
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Blazinghand
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On September 18 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:
blah blah blah some analysis blah blah
That's better.
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Blazinghand
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On September 18 2012 08:58 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:54 Blazinghand wrote:
...what? prplhz made his vote on glasse when glasse's filter has 5 posts. He did it based on the posts I have quoted there. How the hell is that an "opportunity" when the stuff that's happened so far this game isn't an opportunity? Please explain your reasoning, because somehow it eludes me. I suspect we are thinking on different levels. Right but when you made your case, there had only been 1 page of total discussion in the thread.
And that's plenty of opportunity to make a case! It was enough opportunity for me, wasn't it? OR should nobody ever post until the first page is filled up by everyone not posting? No, clearly you just hate me because I'm black
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Blazinghand
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EBWOP:
On September 18 2012 08:58 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:54 Blazinghand wrote:
...what? prplhz made his vote on glasse when glasse's filter has 5 posts. He did it based on the posts I have quoted there. How the hell is that an "opportunity" when the stuff that's happened so far this game isn't an opportunity? Please explain your reasoning, because somehow it eludes me. I suspect we are thinking on different levels. Right but when you made your case, there had only been 1 page of total discussion in the thread.
And that's plenty of opportunity to make a case! It was enough opportunity for me, wasn't it? OR should nobody ever post until the first page is filled up by everyone not posting? Seriously, though, Prplhz has done more with less. In fact, he has done more, if you check his other posts. This is more town-prplhz-ey imo.
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Blazinghand
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On September 18 2012 09:09 goodkarma wrote:@HiroPro:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:23 HiroPro wrote:BH - Mad MenI wanna lynch goodkarma. That first post of his is really cautious (barely pressures BH even though he calls out a perceived contradiction and then calls prplhz's play scummy but doesn't throw a vote down on it) He then proceeds to bring up a point of discussion (lynching lurkers), which he himself admits likely won't happen this game. ##Vote goodkarma Just to let you know, I very rarely vote early day one. Feel free to consider that a scumtell if you want. But I prefer to give people a chance to post before jumping on them. And as for scumreads, I've already said I find prplhz to be behaving scummy. But I am giving him a chance to explain himself. Iamperfection is another I'm carefully looking at. I don't understand how he can just propose to "random lynch" a good player day one without some kind of justification. And then go into lurk-mode. Both people are already actively being pressured, and all I could contribute are +1 postings, which I'm not going to do.
You actually literally just did that.
On September 18 2012 09:11 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:57 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2012 06:32 iamperfection wrote:
I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity.
Your guys thoughts? I think you're scum ##unvote
##vote: iamperfection Care to share why?
This post I am making right now contains your entire contribution to the thread. Speak up, sonny, I can't hear you so good.
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Blazinghand
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Seriously though if you don't have anything to share about the case on prplhz, or the subsequent cases, at this point, I don't know what to say I know exactly what to say: "die scum"
So yeah get in the thread and play the fiddlesticking game, you signed up for it didn't you
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Blazinghand
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^--- that post is directed at iamp
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Blazinghand
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On September 18 2012 09:26 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:27 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
@ Austinmcc - Well posted and thanks for explaining your rationale. Enough for me to take the vote off for now. BH you're high-fiving Hapa. You okay with the speed at which he swapped off me? marv, I'd like your thoughts here as well. Do you feel the same way hapa does about my explanation?
You and Hapa are secondary concerns for me. You'd get a high-5 from me, too, if you weren't AFK all the time.
Iamperfection seems perfectly happy contributing literally nothing and I will not stand for it. I will would not, could not, in the rain, or in the dark, or on a train, or in a car or a tree. I won't stand for it austinmcc. Not in the town, not in the thread, not in the world and not in my head. He won't be quiet without getting my vote, so it shall be done as it's what I wrote.
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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Oh yeah I agree I just think it's funny, here I'm working on a chart one sec
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Blazinghand
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On September 18 2012 09:42 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh yeah I agree I just think it's funny, here I'm working on a chart one sec
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RPNf2.png)
OK obviously this isn't an accurate representation of what you think, since it's more HOW people react that what their reaction is that determines scumminess (ie you could have a weak, well-reasoned reaction or a strong, well-reasoned reaction). The purpose of this chart is that you're framing your critique of these players wrong. The problem isn't that iamperfection reacted too strongly to my case, it's HOW he reacted too strongly. After lurking and being called out for it by me, after I've moved my vote off prplhz, THEN he strongly condemns my case (without really great reasoning) with swear words.
This is why iamperfection's reaction is bad. it's not that he strongly disagrees with my case-- after all, you did as well-- it's HOW he agrees. it's phony.
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Blazinghand
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On September 18 2012 17:26 Ange777 wrote:
@Blazinghand: I liked his explanation for the starting post as well but your case was not just based on the starting post but on his lack of activity/scum hunting as well. So why switch off of him? It seems like an easy way to change your vote even though he has not delivered what you were asking from him: scum hunting.
A fair point: but the day is young. My vote is a limited resource, and I felt it more valuable at the time to be used on iamperfection (and it certainly did get him moving). If I don't hear anything useful from prplhz by the morning, he'll probably get my vote back. His profoundly unhelpful replies to my vote and comments so far put him on par with prplhz in terms of "not contributing to scumhunting efforts", especially given the activity of both players in the thread.
So, currently I consider iamperfection a scummier and more important lynch target, but by no means have I absolved prplhz. He's taken some steps in the right direction but currently only doesn't have my vote by the grace of iamperfection's astounding play so far. I'm not trying to hedge here, but at the time I moved my vote over to iamperfection it was necessary due to his low post count to get him to start playing, and I stand by that action and the subsequent results.
In any case, Hapa has been stirring up a few vats since I've been gone, so I'm gonna go over the exchange between him and Zephirdd. I do recall Hapa playing actively as scum so don't let that fool you, one way or the other.
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Blazinghand
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Zephirdd you need to read both sections of this
Zeph
Zeph, I get why you're all up in Hapa's ass regarding his reaction to iamperfection. You'll note, however, that I also reacted similarly to iamperfection's BS (though not right away). I recently put a vote on him, just quoting his sole post. What's your reasoning for not applying the Zephirdd rule to me as well?
On September 18 2012 13:40 Zephirdd wrote:
tbh hapa, there is very little that would change my mind coming from you.
Far be it from me to tell a guy not to tunnel but on its face this is a bad statement. Sticking dogmatically to it will only hinder us. Here's how you can tell you're getting tunnel vision:
On September 18 2012 13:52 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +Your case on him is that you think he is wishy-washy. that's it. Apparently, being wishy-washy day1 is scummier than the over-the-top scum. Before you say it, I'm not misrepresenting anything here. And again, you misread the shit out of my posts. I said a post by IamP "over the top AND scummy" , not "over-the-top scummy."
Whatever scumminess Hapa may or may not have, you're clearly misrepresenting what he said, either willingly or willfully. Let's take a look at Hapa's original post that we're addressing:
On September 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:
"you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on."
Seems very unnecessarily critical/harsh/attacking. Like I don't think his case is good either, but that's just over the top and scummy imo.
It's immediately obvious that Hapa is saying "this is scummy because it is over the top", not "the scumminess level of this is over the top" to anyone who reads it objectively. Either you're grasping at straws for your case or your willfully trying to deceive us. I actually don't believe you're trying to deceive us, Zephir, because a deception of this level is utterly retarded and although you have your shortcomings as a player, being differently abled mentally is not one of them. The misinterpretation is an honest mistake/misreading, making this a null-tell, not a scum-tell as Hapa makes it. No player in his right mind, scum OR town, would straight-up lie TO Hapa about what he wrote.
Zephirdd, if you want to be useful to town, take a step back and write a DECENT case on your top scumread (I guess Hapa). There *is* stuff to write about, but don't just assume literally everything he does is scummy and proceed from there. It makes your cases asinine and as likely to hit town as scum.
Hapa
Currently, Hapa is not on my scum radar. Let me explain this. Most of Zephirdd's case against him is fluff and slander, and for whatever reason, Zeph you've pissed him off enough to vote you (Hapa should be smarter than that) as a result.
On September 18 2012 12:06 Hapahauli wrote:
Ya know what I will pursue it. Why are you lying? Why are you blatantly misrepresenting my actions from my filter?
##Unvote
##Vote Zephirdd
This to me is unsettling, but not scummy. I think Hapa should be smarter than this as town, and it turns out, yes, he is:
On September 18 2012 13:55 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 13:40 Zephirdd wrote:
tbh hapa, there is very little that would change my mind coming from you. But this is my cue to ignore you for the rest of the game. It looks like you're misreading the shit out of my posts and that doesn't necessarily make you scummy. It's equally likely that you're bad town. Null for now, and back to mementoss. Looking forward to hearing from Ange777 and bluelightz who have not yet posted. ##Unvote##Vote mementoss
The misreading of the posts and the misrepresentation don't necessarily make more sense from a scum perspective than from a town perspective. Hapa backing off here and switching onto mementoss is something a town player would do, because a town player recognizes the possibility of townies make mistakes. I'm not a fan of the mementoss wagon, but this move by Hapa is why I suspect the two of you are probably townies butting heads for no real reason. I'm not gonna start handing out townie hall passes, I'm just saying that two people disagreeing doesn't mean 1 town 1 scum situation.
Zeph, harken back to GSL Open and think about your interaction with Marv that game, and see if there are some similarities here. And you know what? Maybe it's not like that, maybe Hapa is scum, but if that's the case, don't make shitty case, make a real one. You've failed to convince me.
In any case, I see a town with a small number of highly active players who are naturally interacting and butting heads, and a couple more quiet players who either haven't started posting yet (bluelightz) or have started and are underposting (HiroPro, GK, Austin, Ange) either due to just getting into the thread or being quiet. And then there's prplhz and iamperf, who are my two scumreads.
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Blazinghand
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I'll be around for about a half hour before crashing.
Note: I swear to god Bluelightz if you try to lurk through a game that I'm playing in I will bring down the wrath of Athena upon you. The fact that your utter and total silence isn't a scumtell due to your crappy town meta should be an impetus to change, not an excuse to never post.
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