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On September 20 2012 08:51 thrawn2112 wrote: Actually the best case scenario is that if sharrant is lying both he and cubu could be mafia which gives us 2 scum kills. But like you said the worst case scenario in which they are actually masons and there is no jk would leave us with 2 blue roles killed. The best case and worst case scenarios are so extreme making it a pretty big risk, which is why waiting on that issue is a pretty safe route. True, didn't think that through properly. For me the most important part is that this is unlikely to be a scum plot by Sharrant. And now it's too late to change. Oh, the suspense... | ||
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On September 20 2012 09:01 Atreides- wrote: God damn this thread blew up fast. I would've went with a no lynch over Drazak but it doesn't matter now. What is this? You don't post ANYTHINBG productive for 48 hours and then you conveniently drop by 1 minutes after deadline to chime in you think drazak is a mislynch. Is this hunting for cheap townie points before drazak is flipping green? | ||
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![[image loading]](http://images.wikia.com/superheroes/images/4/43/Captain_Hindsight.jpg) ##FOS Captain Hindsight | ||
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On September 20 2012 09:16 Atreides- wrote: I wasn't around after my last post, and I mixed up the voting deadline by an hour (thought it would be an hour from now, my bad). Your last sentence is a pretty moot point since it'd look equally bad for me if he flipped red. The instant bandwagon against him is pretty interesting, and it's obvious now that the mafia had a strong hand in it. It was a rethorical question. It's obvious mafia had a strong hand in it? Jesus fucking Christ, you haven't even followed the thread and now you drop in with random accusations. | ||
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On September 20 2012 09:33 kushm4sta wrote: sighhh... yes that post was before i saw the flip. i was in the process of looking through killing's filter to try to figure out if i would rather vote for him. Cubu was the biggest lurker and i think it's obvious after sharrant's roleclaim that we shouldn't lynch him anymore. who is the next biggest lurker? no one comes to mind really and i didn't have time to find out esp not on my cell phone. drazak seemed like the only option at the time. Why would you say that? Basically everyone made it clear they were open for voting on Killing. | ||
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On September 20 2012 09:53 kushm4sta wrote: No! When i voted for drazak everyone made it clear they wanted to vote for drazak... page 21... sharrant, CONFIRMED TOWN, as far as I am concerned at this point, says then sdm votes drazzak. drazak says some scummy shit. this was the stuff i read at the time, not his filter. then thrawn says then i say He was #1 on most lists, but everyone had Killing as an option. I even posted that in bold letters to make sure that people didn't think I made a vote I considered final. I still stand behind my drazak vote though. It's always easy to use ex-post reasoning when after he flipped green, but at the time I thought they were both good candidates. Anyway, I think we all need a break right now. At least I do. | ||
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On September 20 2012 10:00 thrawn2112 wrote: kush it's not a good idea to go to bed angry, you will just wake up with the same poopy pants you wore to bed I should feel bad because I pushed for a lynch on a player that I thought was scummy all game and then later lied to try and cover it up? Why do you think his mason status is such a sure thing? Your last post is pretty much just an omgus accusation. I need to go back to take a really close look at his filter. But when you say this, what are you referring to? That you thought he was lying at the time? That you still think he's lying? Or is there anything you think he's said that is a confirmed lie at this point? | ||
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On September 20 2012 10:45 thrawn2112 wrote: Also, the Cubu mason claim just looks way too convienient... all throughout the last half of D1 he is asking us to trust him abhout things we have no possible way of confirming and if he's mafia then cubu is the safest townie to lie about. At the point when he dropped the cubu claim I didn't think and I don't think anyone else thought that cubu was going to ever post again. I was thinking about this at the time, but it kind of felt far fetched because Cubu hadn't cast his vote and it seemed weird that he would assumed Cubu wouldn't be back to the thread at least for voting. And if Cubu is in on it, he's basically given up 2 scum. I think looking closer at the exact timing of the various claims he's made may be important. The "outing" of Cubu came late, although it seemed to me the set-up of Cubu as his fake mason buddy would've to have been planned in advance. I will get back on this. Him dropping you and debears from his scum reads is indeed very weird. Him even having you as a scum team read in the first place is weird. | ||
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On September 20 2012 12:40 debears wrote: I have a couple of thoughts from reading through all this craziness. First, this jumped out at me. Why would you want a no lynch? Even though the mason claim caused confusion, there were two reasonable candidates in drazak and KillingTime who had been lurking with scummy tells. All a no lynch would have done is keep lurkers around. @SDM + Show Spoiler + Sonic Death Monkey Sweden. September 20 2012 11:20. Posts 403 PM Profile Quote # filter On September 20 2012 10:45 thrawn2112 wrote: Also, the Cubu mason claim just looks way too convienient... all throughout the last half of D1 he is asking us to trust him abhout things we have no possible way of confirming and if he's mafia then cubu is the safest townie to lie about. At the point when he dropped the cubu claim I didn't think and I don't think anyone else thought that cubu was going to ever post again. I was thinking about this at the time, but it kind of felt far fetched because Cubu hadn't cast his vote and it seemed weird that he would assumed Cubu wouldn't be back to the thread at least for voting. And if Cubu is in on it, he's basically given up 2 scum. I think looking closer at the exact timing of the various claims he's made may be important. The "outing" of Cubu came late, although it seemed to me the set-up of Cubu as his fake mason buddy would've to have been planned in advance. I will get back on this. His timing can be explained by town and mafia motivations. Town - He waited until the final hour (if i am correct) when he had 6 votes on himself. His back was against the wall and if he is mason it preserves an important part of us. Mafia - By waiting until the end, he sent us into some confusion. We were stuck in a situation where our biggest bandwagons were gone, as Kush said. And, it ended up pushing our focus on lurkers and a mislynch. I have not been able to go through any filters yet to look at everyone's reasoning for their votes. From a first glance, there was good reasoning for most of us for voting who we voted for. Still, I will check more in depth. I would kindly ask everyone to not try to make up reasons for Sharrant at this point. Just wait until he responds to the accusations. If you want to you can prepare an analysis, but wait with posting it until after Sharrant has responded. Thrawn's question is very valid and we don't want to give him any information right now. | ||
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On September 20 2012 12:40 debears wrote: I have a couple of thoughts from reading through all this craziness. First, this jumped out at me. Why would you want a no lynch? Even though the mason claim caused confusion, there were two reasonable candidates in drazak and KillingTime who had been lurking with scummy tells. All a no lynch would have done is keep lurkers around. Btw, it seems to me a non vote would've been impossible anyway. We would've needed everyone to non vote, which wouldn't have been possible. Even if it was possible, I'm not sure it would've been a great option. But yes, ##FOS Atreides. His complete lack of constructive posting was suspocious already made him suspicious. His posts in connection to today's lynch just strengthens those suspicions. He's either scummy or an incredibly bad player. | ||
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On September 20 2012 13:54 thrawn2112 wrote: After posting this near lynch deadline Sharrent was also willing to vote for killing[/QUOTE] Almost made that same post, but I felt my Captain Hindsight reference was getting old. | ||
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On September 20 2012 14:04 JacobStrangelove wrote: Yeah but drazak seemed more town than killing, when I was refering to the killing being less that the lukers I was talking about stutters/cubu the two main lurkers under fire at the time. Really? On September 20 2012 06:15 JacobStrangelove wrote: Switching over to killing case I can see how he fits lurker scum but also I don’t think he is more scum than stutters or drazak. | ||
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On September 20 2012 15:05 JacobStrangelove wrote: Also yeah that is my read on sharrent. I still need to proccess the fact that he called out who he says is his mason partner. but you have to realise cubu isn't in the thread to verify this. He could have been betting on cubu being mod killed to avoid retrubution or he could have simply called it out to trade one mafia for town instead of one mafia for nobody. No. On September 20 2012 04:48 kushm4sta wrote: if someone makes 2 posts but doesn't vote do they get modkilled? On September 20 2012 04:59 marvellosity wrote: I'd either give a warning or start looking for a replacement, depending on how I look at it. I will make a detailed post on the mason claim once Sharrant responds. I have it typed out already, but I don't want to comment on it. | ||
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On September 20 2012 15:10 Atreides- wrote: I didn't actually know about the no-lynch until the mod posted about it. If I had, I would've suggested it quite a while ago. I'm assuming that voting for a no-lynch works the same way as voting for a lynch, in that we just need a majority of votes (and not every vote like you said). Maybe I'm wrong on this. There weren't any exceptionally strong arguments against killer / drazak. The consensus was "eh, he's kinda scummy, and kinda lurking, and he's kinda the best option, let's kill him and see what happens". The problem with choosing between killer and drazak is that, like I meant earlier, mafia has a lot of power here. If killer turns out to be mafia, his team can go for a drazak vote and the bandwagon easily follows because nobody has strong feelings one way or the other. The time constraint and confusion was really perfect for something like this. So yeah, as a principle I'd support no-lynching (on day one only) versus doing a half-assed lynch on someone else. I'm mostly waiting for Cubu / his replacement to comment about the mason thing, as that's the key factor to Sharrant's innocence. When he made the claim he had no idea whether or not Cubu would end up posting and voting, which makes lying an amazingly ballsy play. Will be around again tomorrow afternoon. So you're seriously entering the thread starting to discuss lurker policy 30 hours into the game? After having made no productive contributions at all? | ||
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