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[QUOTE]On September 26 2012 01:13 kushm4sta wrote:
so thrawn do you think Jacob is scum?[/QUOTE
I dunno. why is he scum? I'm willing to consider that his long walls of texts aren't indicative of either town or scum... and he's had a pretty strong town read on me most all game. And since I think there's a mafia roleblocker it'd make sense if he was scum.... for example mafia would roleblock me because they see me as a potential blue threat... which would align perfectly with jacob having such a strong town read on me all game. and he has been pretty wishy washy about his read on me in the last few pages.
Do you have an argument other than that he's pissing you off? Cuz to me that's what it looked like when you first began being suspicious of him.
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so..... the vote's set? nobody has any thoughts at all on anything?
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On September 26 2012 02:33 sharky246 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 01:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
sharky: look at where other people have had their votes cast, for example your mason partner sharrant. both of his votes ended up on town players. If that's really the sole basis of your vote on me then you need to try harder than that But the difference is that sharrant was a mason, whereas you are unconfirmed (i don't doubt the possibility that you are townie, but all signs point to scum).
what I was trying to tell you is that just because somebody has only voted for townies doesn't mean that they're scum. the fact that sharrant was confirmed mason has nothing to do with it... he lynched two townies because he was wrong. being wrong is possible. if being wrong weren't possible or even likely then we wouldn't have had so many damn mislynches in this game.
and do you really think that's a strong reason to vote for me? if town mislynches again they are seriously fucked unless some lucky shit happens during the night cycle. if you're gonna vote for at least tell me your reasons other than making such a simplistic argument. sorry to say this and I'm not trying to be rude but this game requires way more thought than you've put into it so far
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I think I finally get why debears cockriding me early on was scummy:
Sonic, a confirmed town, was suspicious of me. Also, there were a few others who commented on my original "lynch last player" idea and they all were suspicious of it or said it was dumb. And debears comes in and on his very first post of the game, at a time when town players are supposed to be very suspicious of everyone, and he makes a huge post on why he thinks I'm town. How would anyone be able to make such a strong town read at that early phase of the game, especially if they themselves are a townie and are supposed to be suspicious of everything that's said in the game? Well they can make a town read and they can talk about all the town motivations..... because they know who's town.
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On September 26 2012 03:11 sharky246 wrote:
Of course i could be wrong. Nobody apart from the mafia knows if the person they vote for is scum or townie. But since the main objective of the scums is to kill all townies, don't you think that someone among those who voted for the townies would be mafia? I'm not saying that you are 100% mafia. But if someone was to be mafia, i'm pretty sure it is someone among those who voted for the guy that ended up dead. And since you were there twice, i think you are the most likely to be mafia. In fact, if you end up mafia, i'm pretty sure i know who the others are.
Remember the first lynch, 5 people voted for drazak. Sonic Death Monkey was townie, sharrant was townie, i am townie and that leaves you and kush. KillingTime, Dandel Ion, Sharrant, JacobStrangelove and you voted for another townie on the second lynch. Among kush, you, killing, dandel, and jacobs, i find it hard to believe that none of you would be mafia. I mean the possibility that none of the people who's vote landed on a guy dead being mafia is just near impossible. There are 3~4 mafia out of a possible 7 people (excluding me). If those 5 people aren't mafia, well that doesn't make sense. So at least 1 of you 5 must be the mafia. And because you appeared twice, you seem alittle more suspicious than the other 4.
Now i am going to bed. I guess you are going to die, unless something happens like last time were people changed their votes the last hour, and i suspect that might happen again.
sharky at this phase in the game you need to be 100% sure. don't just quit out this early. if we mislynch then the game is pretty much over. what do you think about debears?
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On September 26 2012 03:13 kushm4sta wrote:
Thrawn it's like you are playing a slot machine and you keep pulling the lever again and again hoping to get lucky and hit the jackpot.
What I mean is you accuse someone new every hour hoping to get people to jump him. And when they don't you switch to someone else easy as that and try again.
The only people.you haven't accused directly are Jacob and me.
I forget who called you the boy who cried wolf but it's quite apt.
ok well i'm desperately trying to find scum. at least listen to each of my arguments. incoming post soon
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hey guise, debears is scum
I've already talked about his first posts of the game:
On September 26 2012 02:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
I think I finally get why debears cockriding me early on was scummy:
Sonic, a confirmed town, was suspicious of me. Also, there were a few others who commented on my original "lynch last player" idea and they all were suspicious of it or said it was dumb. And debears comes in and on his very first post of the game, at a time when town players are supposed to be very suspicious of everyone, and he makes a huge post on why he thinks I'm town. How would anyone be able to make such a strong town read at that early phase of the game, especially if they themselves are a townie and are supposed to be suspicious of everything that's said in the game? Well they can make a town read and they can talk about all the town motivations..... because they know who's town.
Ok so somehow on his 2nd post of the game and at a time when townies are supposed to be suspicious of everything, he somehow has this strong town read on me.
Then there's this:
On September 19 2012 00:44 debears wrote:
sharrant. good post. I like the reasoning on kush as sk. I would like to see what he has to say about it in response. Although he stated he did not want to be the super active best townie to avoid nk, he was quite active last night and led discussion.
Uh really? Was sharrant's post that good? Sharrant talks about how he thought kush was sk, because kush went on about how he didn't like being nk'd. How is that a reasonable thing for sharrant to say? It's completely absurd. Yes, it makes a little bit of sense, but how could anyone really have an sk read that early on in the game? Why wouldn't a mafia kush talk about not liking being nk'd? Why wouldn't an emotional town kush talk about not liking being nk'd? So what we have from dandel is more blending in and agreeing with people that he knows are town.
Here's the next weird piece of blending in:
On September 19 2012 07:51 debears wrote:##Vote: Sharrant+ Show Spoiler +Sonic Death Monkey Sweden. September 19 2012 06:37. Posts 358
What really came off as weird though, was how he not only implied Kush was scum, but that he even was SK. Seriously, that read is so specific it's ridiculous. To be claiming reads on SK this early, a 1 in 13 shot assuming there's even one in the game, is really weird. Spotting a SK hasn't even been in my range of thinking this early into d1. It's interesting though, because the players likely to be thinking about a SK this early in the game is scum. Just consider the information they've got. They know all townies and all maffia, figuring out if there's a SK is their only "black box" aside from blue roles (which he also mentions in his post). It's not at all weird for scum to think about SK at this point, but I do find it weird for townies. Ask yourselves, before his post, had any of you guys even been you guys been even considering a SK read? I had not thought of this. He has been stuck on the idea of SK
Uh... previously you said you liked sharran'ts reasoning about sk? Once more he chimes in on his agreement with a player he knows is town... knows is town because debears himself is mafia.
The final bit of blending in I want to point out his his vote for me. Out of all the people who did so, his seemed to come out of nowhere more than anyone else's. Sure, dandel's was kinda sudden and unexpected, but I do not think dandel is scum after reevaluating my opinion on rethos. That was here:
On September 26 2012 01:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
When I think about dandel, it always comes back down to the rethos lies. I just find it very hard to trust someone who has already admitted to a series of lies.... yet if rethos was town, then the most likely reason a town player would quit would be because of time contstraints, boredom, and everyone jumping all over him. The last of those 3 happened, and boredom was his actual "claim." And I am also wondering if mafia rethos lied about the lurker shit and then been caught in that lie, would he have told another one?
So my emotions are telling me "no don't trust that lying asshole" but logically his boredom claim makes a bunch of sense, and is actually a very town-ish tell. So I guess remove dandel from that list.
So out of all the people that voted for me.... debears (his case about how I'm the "mason-killer" was fuckin spin-city, fox news style) looks the most suspicious. Kush and atreides have been on my ass for a long time, and rethos claiming that he was bored is a VERY strong town-tell and makes it a very believable claim. Townies get bored.... mafia don't.
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ebwop: "So what we have from dandel is more blending in and agreeing with people that he knows are town."
take out dandel and subsitute debears
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Another thing:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 25 2012 02:10 debears wrote:@thrawn Show nested quote +On September 24 2012 19:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
The mason thing first: Typing "gogogo" and "post as soon as you humanly can" is so sharrant would know that I'm expecting him to answer right then, immediately. If I just said "can you post the mason chat sometime" and he posted it like 30 minutes later, I wouldn't know if it was because he wasn't in a rush or if he was busy making it up. It only came about during the night becuase that's when sharrant posted. He hadn't posted in awhile and I saw he has just posted something else, so I needed to take advantage of him being in the thread at that moment.
For switching targets in D2: Not sure exactly what your argument is, other than that it was me trying to confusion. Well I do post very frequently and I refresh the mafia forums several times/hour so if something occurs to me while reading new posts then I'm going to bring it up. And there is more than one scum right? When I stop tunneling someone it's not always because I am no longer suspicious of them. For instance, I still think killing is scummy but my next filter to go through is probably going to be dandel's and the D1 filter of rethos.
The reason why I didn't want town to talk about lurkers forever: I've played in a few games where town makes a big huge deal out of saying exactly why lurkers are so awful and people either agree or disagree but either way it goes on for far too long. Usually in those cases town ends up agreeing to do a lurker lynch... they right out and say it in the thread. So the rest of D1 ends up being the townies saying who they think is the lurkiest, lurkers saying "I'm not lurking as much as this guy," and mafia who blend in by saying who they think is the lurkiest. Our D1 discussion didn't need to follow down that path... so I deliberately said something that would get the first accusations flying.
For my defense of you: I saw nothing in your posts that made you look mafia, and I did see things that made you look town. For instance when you agreed with me about drazak you bolded those words in his post, called attention to them, and made it a part of your argument, which was not a part of my argument. So in that example you had done independent analysis rather than latch on to the exact argument of my idea.... something I associate with town more than mafia. And maybe I was a little biased towards you... after all I was explaining to sonic in a pretty straightforward way exactly why I had made that "lynch last player" post, and he just didn't understand what I was saying, then you come in and try to explain it to him and then people start getting suspicious of you just for being logical.
Voting for drazak: It was done under the combination of him being a lurker, and his vote with no justification. You say killing had an equally weird vote... that killing vote you quoted happened quite a bit earlier, the drazak thing happened after my main read had just claimed mason and I was trying to decided who to vote on. And yes that killing vote does look weird and only further adds to my suspicions of killing.
##Vote: KillingTime
I get the part that if you are town, gettin sharrant to answer quickly about the qt would mean he couldn't forge it. However, that still leaves the question of why you would do it at night, when you could have easily waited until the day. As you said, sharrant wasn't posting much. What is really odd is that you were commanding the thread (our strongest poster as I said earlier), yet sharrant gets killed. Although sharrant was confirmed, which you didn't believe, you would have been a bigger priority to the mafia if you were town since you were active. Combine that with the timing of you asking for sharrant's 2nd qt thread, and sharrant's death, and it's very suspicious. And, if you factor in the claimed roleblocks, it all makes even more sense. Also, you had said, after checking the 1st qt yourself, that he couldn't have forged it. Why the double check all of a sudden? On the day 2 arguments, I didn't explain it as well as I wanted. Let me clear it up. My problem was first the confusion you have caused with making all those cases. Second, you voted for drazak, who had the same or less evidence as killing, despite thinking that the mafia interfered with a killing bus. Then, you vote for remedy over rethos/dandel, although remedy has the same or less accusations than retho/dandel. Less if you count the lying from rethos and the lying/lack of defense of dandel after I went after dandel. Both coincidentally led to mislynchs. This is all I can get for now in terms of looking at the rest of the post due to time constraints.... It seems like you made decent points (I just addressed the drazak over killing). The part about lurkers can make sense, but the fact you brought it up and the fact that we had no idea who to lynch behind sharrant is very coincidental. And about your defense of me, you hadn't brought it up about the drazak post at the time (unless I missed it) so it could be possible that you see it now and bring it up. Can't be sure on it though. My vote still stands with you
Out of all the people who have voted for me (excluding the mason) he's expressed the most doubts about his case against me. Everyone else is pretty sure that I'm scum.... yet he writes this long post agreeing that my defense against his case was good and how a lot of the things he said about me could also apply to town-thrawn. Everyone else has been like "no thrawn I know you're scum." Classic mafia wishy-washyness about his vote... especially when compared to everyone else that's voted for me. This guy's scum.
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i hope you guys learn your lesson... in mylo situation where people immediately start voting for one person with basically no objection from anyone..... something has gone wrong
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I see the view count of the thread has been steadily rising but people aren't posting..... everyone given up? Or are mafia lurking the thread but not talking because they're scared that I've outed debears?
I usually don't like discussing blue role actions but if there's a vig, you know what to do after I flip.
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town's in mylo.... there's been almost 0 opposition to my lynch all D3 except some weirdness from jacob.... mafia obviously happy to sit back and let town lose the game
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it's whoever gets the most votes
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jacob do you think i'm scum? there is no fucking way kush is going to get lynched today. change your vote to something fucking useful. if you think i'm scum then vote for me and if you think I'm town then bus your buddy debears
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kush I know for you to believe this then you have to think i'm town.... but I am liek 90 percent sure of debears as scum. He comes into the thread with a long ass post talking about how town someone is.... what alignment knows who is town? mafia. it's easy to make town reads if you're mafia... you already know they are town. And out of all the votes for me (among the list of you, debears, atreides, and dandel) his imo is the scummiest vote. Atreides and you, especially atreides, have been on my ass most of the game. You I think are town for the reasons I described earlier. And I've thought hard about the rethos thing and decided I should believe his boredom claim.... townies get bored.
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On September 26 2012 03:11 sharky246 wrote:
Now i am going to bed. I guess you are going to die
game mvp right here
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On September 26 2012 05:30 kushm4sta wrote:
this is debears first game so for that I excuse his early game retardation.
His.argument against you, I disagree with a lot of it but I definitely agree with the boy who cried.wolf part.
If.he is mafia then he is first time mafia and he has been doing a really good town impersonation for his first game.
if sharky isn't coming back then a vote change isn't even possible is it? he made it seem like he's not.coming back.
kush think about it. when you rolled town your first game or hell even your second, weren't you really fucking suspicious of every goddamn thing that was said?
townies are suspicious of everything
mafia are suspicious of nothing
townies talk about what they are suspicious of
see where I'm going?
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why would you say you "find it highly unlikely that the mafia would defend one of their own at this point of the game" as a defense?
if you are town wouldn't you know that you're not scum? "if i were mafia" defenses come from mafia players
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changing my opinion is.... something that can happen. i originally didn't see how it was really strange that you were claiming town on me that early on.... thinking back I was probably just glad that somebody else was agreeing with me when nobody else was. but now.... it's pretty obvious that a town player is suspicious of everything and everyone, while a mafia isn't. you come into the thread with your first read of the game and it's a long post declaring how townie I was
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and it wasn't only about my "lurk last lyncher" idea, your post was a big ole list of stuff I was town for doing
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