GSL Open Mini Mafia

On September 04 2012 14:29 Keirathi wrote:

My nemesis! :o

On September 05 2012 15:00 GMarshal wrote:
Also, this song should be burnt into the brain of anyone who watched gsl1

On September 06 2012 05:48 prplhz wrote:
hello

everybody should write something then i'll read it tomorrow evening and tell you who is scum

also can anybody explain to me who ange777 is?

thanks

On September 06 2012 06:09 prplhz wrote:
@Risen

Could you please tell me why you are voting me? Your explanation appears to be some metaphor that doesn't make any sense to me.

On September 06 2012 06:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta. I could tell you why, but it's information about an ongoing game. Suffice to say he flipped scum there and he looked very differently from these initial three posts.

On the other hand, a rule that seems to work a lot is Kenpachi Rule extended: everytime someone cares about some bullshit from the first post of a player, he's scum.

This applies for both prplhz and Risen here, but only one of them is an OMGUS.

That was quick huh

##vote prplhz

On September 06 2012 06:57 prplhz wrote:
Could you explain to me how my vote qualifies as an OMGUS and how this makes me scum?

Kenpachi rule my ass. It looks to me like you're thinking "Hmm, I should vote for either Risen or prplhz.. I guess I'll go for prplhz" and then you cling to whatever dumb rule instead of trying to form an opinion yourself.

On September 06 2012 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
prplhz's vote is definitely not worse than Risen's

stop being dumb

On September 06 2012 07:10 prplhz wrote:
I'm not really going to defend myself against your case because it is beyond horrible. It's "You are friendly and confident and you are going to rely 100% on other people's opinion on Ange777 instead of forming your own this makes you scum". Yes, this is your case. First argument makes no sense, second argument is speculating about what I might or might not do in the future which makes it void. It's like if I speculated that you were going to claim scum in the future and then I'll just vote for you now because of it. Zephirdd's case makes no sense because my vote wasn't an OMGUS, his entire post is sketchy.

@Keirathi Do you actually have an opinion or are you satisfied just trying to clarify stuff that other people said?

On September 06 2012 07:55 marvellosity wrote:
let's not kill prplhz

On September 06 2012 10:15 Zephirdd wrote:
Hey, where is everyone else? I mean I've been gone for hours but nobody new popped up and posted something

Kinda hoping that all the discussion so far would spark interest in someone else.

On September 06 2012 13:52 vaderseven wrote:
What games did we play together in Risen?

On September 06 2012 18:49 Dirkzor wrote:
Hi there! =) Game on!

I not really sure about Risen vs. Prphlz. Seems like they both overreacted to something the other did.

I don't like Risens green claim so early on. It serves no purpose what so ever and only gives scum a better chance to hit blue (yes he could have lied to confuse them, but then again serves no purpose for town if he is lying - just makes him a liar)

What did catch my attention that no one else seems to have noticed is this (minor thing):


which indicates that Risen had prepared the post _before_ the day post. Why would anyone prepare a post before day 1 post? Town have nothing to prepare since they have nothing to hide.

These two minor things makes me believe Risen might be scum.

What I also find interesting is how both Zephirdd and V7 have already taken sides. O_o How can one takes sides when both sides really have no substantial arguments? And both took sides with equally weak reasons.

Zehpirdd with the "Kenpachi rule extended" crap. V7 with "Either you don't think at all or you are aggresive scum hiding it poorly" which really doesn't say anything.

So far I think Zephirdd, V7 or Risen is leaning scummy.

On September 06 2012 19:06 Bluelightz wrote:
Opinion's on Risen:

While, I usually take the "HOLY SHIT WTF?" route on VT claims d1, I think this claim, is a legitimate claim, because:

1.His defensive behavior once voted back from prplhz.
2.Him actually pointing a finger to a guy who support's him.

Also gonna check zeph's filter after GSL and MW3 playing.

On September 07 2012 00:19 prplhz wrote:
I can totally buy that and since Risen isn't going down today.

##Vote Keirathi

On September 07 2012 01:10 marvellosity wrote:
god damn that was scummy.

On September 07 2012 01:34 Quatol wrote:
No, that was directed at that specific WIFOM post of yours.

But that post said I might be scum bussing you... (?) when I'd made no previous mention of you being scummy

Explain

On September 07 2012 01:10 marvellosity wrote:
god damn that was scummy.

On September 07 2012 01:19 Risen wrote:
How long ago was that Keir? Didn't even remember it. Hmm... why would town Marvel react so strongly to this. He's played with me as scum, he knows how I am there. Maybe he thinks I'm changing purposefully b/c he's also played with me as the "scum" team for two games straight now? That's WIFOM, but he knows this, so maybe he's just analyzing my posts on their own as scummy. This begs the question, what about my posting is scummy to you Marvel?

On September 07 2012 00:58 marvellosity wrote:
at least prplhz was voting on something that was a pile of shit, unlike Risen

On September 07 2012 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
ugh, can't tell if Risen is being awful or scum

On September 07 2012 01:59 Ange777 wrote:
I'm kind of hung up on this:



You pointed it out earlier and I haven't seen a direct reply from Risen. Why would you say that as scum marv would appear to bus you? From town Risen's perspective scum marv would be happy to pile up more evidence on a Risen mislynch.

On September 07 2012 02:16 Keirathi wrote:

But you would have to be scum with marv for him to "bus" you. If he's scum and you're town, he could be starting a wagon on you. However, bus and wagon are the same thing from town's PoV. They're only discernible to scum.

On September 06 2012 05:48 prplhz wrote:
hello

everybody should write something then i'll read it tomorrow evening and tell you who is scum

also can anybody explain to me who ange777 is?

thanks

On September 07 2012 03:29 Keirathi wrote:
Also, for that matter, you repeatedly said "prplhz is scum". Except you never actually tried to convince anyone of it. You just kept repeating it ad nauseum, then when people started calling you out on it, you backtracked into saying "I never really thought he was scum anyways".

There's no townie motivation for that. Period.

On September 07 2012 03:41 Keirathi wrote:
Your backtrack is nonexistant? I fucking quoted it in my case against you, but here, I'll do it again.



Now you're just blatantly lying. "I NEVER ACTUALLY THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM". But you said he was scum like 6 times before you said that quote.

Can any townie possibly be this dumb? I mean, I know you have your pants-on-head retarded moments (Hint: your cop claim in Not Themed), but THIS dumb?

On September 07 2012 03:44 Dirkzor wrote:
First of. Can we stop using all those damn abbreviations... They only confuse the leaving shit out of me because I rarely use them myself. I'm still not 100% sure what WIFOM means... If you think someone suck you write "oh my god you suck". Thanks

I don't put much stock in prplhz's first post. If you read the entire sentence its clear its sarcasm. I'll read the thread and tell you who is scum. That is impossible (or stupid if he is scum) to know who is scum and thus the sentence is clearly sarcasm. Also he have been here and active beyond just defending himself.

I still think you have done scummy things Risen. That or blatantly stupid moves as a townie. You CLEARLY changed your view on prplhz from "He is scum. I'm 65% sure" to "I never actually thought he was scum".
Same goes with your "You called me scum *here*" "Oh that was after my post? Then you called me scum *there*!"

I actually don't like keirathi all that much either at the moment... But that should and shall not change my view on your level of scummyness, Risen.

On September 07 2012 04:06 Ange777 wrote:
Ok, guess I have to assume Risen is just misusing the term bussing.

@Risen: The more you post the less I am convinced of town motivation for your play.

@Dirkzor: What exactly is it in Keir's play that you don't like?

On September 07 2012 04:09 Ange777 wrote:


What feels wrong? The case on Risen? Or Risen's defense?

On September 07 2012 04:31 Ange777 wrote:


How am I supposed to take this? And why does it feel like every second post you make has to have a reference to marv?

On September 07 2012 04:44 Keirathi wrote:

I could maybe buy that explanation if I took all of your posts out of context, but in the context of the thread and what was going on, it doesn't make sense.

Zephirdd asked you why you thought prplhz was scum, not why you voted for prplhz right off the bat.

If he said "Risen, explain to me why you voted for prplhz 40 minutes into day 1", then you saying "Oh, I didn't really think he was scum, I was just trying to get the ball rolling and his post was the scummiest so far" is perfectly understandable.

But he asked you why you thought prplhz was scum, which you had been saying repeatedly, even after you told him to calm down and scumhunt. And hell, you even had some decent reasons to think he was scum. So your answer to his question just doesnt fit with what he was asking, nor with what you had been saying for the previous 18 hours or whatever.

On September 07 2012 04:41 Ange777 wrote:
@prplhz:



You posted this within the first half of day 1 and switched your vote from Risen to Keir. Why? Though you explain that you believe your vote won't matter much if it stays on Risen, it probably won't matter much if it is on Keir as well at this very moment.

Now that the Risen case has gained more momentum will you be switching your vote back to him? Your voting behaviour seems odd.

On September 07 2012 04:48 Keirathi wrote:

Which part?

On September 07 2012 05:24 prplhz wrote:

Risen wasn't getting lynched at that point and Keirathi was to get something else going and he was looking dodgy too, I already expressed my suspicions of him in the thread. I read some of his other games then and this appears to be how he's playing all the time so not as worried anymore.

On September 07 2012 00:19 prplhz wrote:
I can totally buy that and since Risen isn't going down today.

##Vote Keirathi

On September 07 2012 05:37 marvellosity wrote:
meta is totally irrelevant, it would just be the most stupid scumplay ever and I am not known for those.

And no, it's not so stupid it's brilliant either.

On September 07 2012 05:49 Keirathi wrote:
Also, where's vader, BL, and Zeph.

Vader has a vote on Risen but has disappeared, BL has a scummy feeling from Zeph and disappeared, Zeph has a vote on prplhz and disappeared.

On September 07 2012 05:43 marvellosity wrote:
that makes no sense.

I wanna kill myself

On September 07 2012 05:43 Keirathi wrote:

Where did you call me suspicious? You argued with me about me calling your vote on Risen an OMGUS vote, and said something about me having a strong opinion on you based on that conversation. But I don't see where you ever actually said you had any suspicion towards me. You just hopped on the bandwagon after marv made his case, and with basically no reasoning.

You're blatantly misrepresenting facts, just like Risen is.

But fuck me, I don't see both of you being scum. That would be quite a ballsy play to hop on each other very first thing.

On September 07 2012 06:07 Keirathi wrote:

Something about this post bugs me.

You're right, it doesn't make sense from the perspective of scum marv bussing scum Risen. What about scum marv and townie Risen, though?

You're acknowledging that your posts are (at least partly), responsible for the Risen wagon that is forming. But you unvoted and distanced yourself from it.

Hmm...

On September 07 2012 04:13 Risen wrote:
TOWN DIRK AND KEIR WOULD NOT CONTINUOUSLY MISQUOTE ME!

The whole line.

"I never actually thought he was scum, he was just the scummiest guy in a thread of like 3 posters so he got the ball rolling."

I think it's pretty clear that by saying, "When I made my first post prpl was the scummiest guy in thread. I didn't actually think he was scum, but as he sounded scummiest it seemed best to choose him as the target of my pressure."

On September 07 2012 06:42 Dirkzor wrote:
Mostly the part where he first used one quote to explain a post. When that quote was after the post he found another quote from earlier. It's just to... eh.. weird for him to be town.

That and he attacked BL's post very hard when BL was actually saying that he believed Risen's VT claim.

And the VT claim. Which is stupid. No reason or need for him to claim.

On September 07 2012 09:21 marvellosity wrote:
pick one and tell me what makes your read so good on them

On September 08 2012 01:13 marvellosity wrote:


As already mentioned, I would get no town credit for it. Anything with substance to say?

On September 08 2012 01:30 Keirathi wrote:
Gotta take my grandpa to the doctor, so trying to get a quick post in with my opinions on the other lynch candidates besides Risen, since I've talked about him enough and my opinion hasn't changed. Hopefully I'll be back before the deadline:

prplhz: I dislike a lot of his posts so far, but I do agree with marv that he has seemed a bit more interested and invested in this game than dwarfs, at least up until this point. I don't rule him out yet.

vader7: Null for now. Nothing he has done strikes me as particularly scummy, except his relative lurking, but not super townie either.

Zeph: Dirk's list of things basically hit the nail on the head. Add in his wording earlier "Risen is not scum, or at least he doesn't look scum based on meta." That feels...weird? Like, as a townie without extra information, wouldn't a more appropriate phrase be "Risen isn't playing like his scum meta" or something? Leaning scum, but I'm not sure if I think he's more scummy than Risen. I'll think on it more while I'm gone.

On September 08 2012 01:33 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: In fact, it feels like point 3 would give you more reason to think that we were a scum team, not less. Your logic leaps don't make any sense to me :o

On September 07 2012 04:44 Keirathi wrote:

I could maybe buy that explanation if I took all of your posts out of context, but in the context of the thread and what was going on, it doesn't make sense.

Zephirdd asked you why you thought prplhz was scum, not why you voted for prplhz right off the bat.

If he said "Risen, explain to me why you voted for prplhz 40 minutes into day 1", then you saying "Oh, I didn't really think he was scum, I was just trying to get the ball rolling and his post was the scummiest so far" is perfectly understandable.

But he asked you why you thought prplhz was scum, which you had been saying repeatedly, even after you told him to calm down and scumhunt. And hell, you even had some decent reasons to think he was scum. So your answer to his question just doesnt fit with what he was asking, nor with what you had been saying for the previous 18 hours or whatever.

On September 08 2012 01:51 Dirkzor wrote:
About the bussing. That wasn't about this game (while it is still true I would bus my teammate if I were scum) specificly. It was generel advace that you acn't think what scum or wouldnt do.

And yes that was emotional because you basicly called me a liar about my personal life. Something I would never do to win a game of mafia.

On September 08 2012 01:56 Keirathi wrote:

That's all well and good, but thats NOT WHAT ZEPH ASKED. You didn't answer his question when you quoted it, you answered a completely different question that had an easy answer rather than the real question that would actually get you to explain your reasoning and the way you were thinking.

On September 08 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:
The point is Risen, that you've just leapt from person to person. I asked you earlier what you thought you had was good, and you said the stuff on kei. But then you just hopped on to Dirk.

On September 01 2012 11:35 Risen wrote:
Well I can't say I'm surprised. Hope you learn your lesson.

On September 08 2012 04:14 Ange777 wrote:
I am saying that you only took half of his quote and that if you take the entire sentence you can't take it as a slip.

On September 08 2012 04:26 Ange777 wrote:
I think there is no one in the thread besides you and me. Stupid inactivity.

What kind of questions were you expecting? Talking about your play should wait for the post-game discussion right? + Show Spoiler +

On September 08 2012 04:39 prplhz wrote:
Risen:

The reason I voted for him in the first place stands. I don't believe that you can have a clear scum read 3 posts into the game. Risen seemed anxious that no one was talking in the thread after his initial post and then when I immediately after asked him a simple question about his vote for me, he spent 10 minutes writing a 6 line response. This seems too carefully thought through if the case is just a "joke vote" to get things rolling. The guy was actually trying to write a real case 3 posts into the game and I don't believe this.

Then later he tries to back down on that by saying it was obvious that his case was a joke. Then why did he not act as if it was a joke? It seems like he was just trying to downplay it because it was getting him into trouble.

I pretty much think that this is enough, conflicting motives for actions is a clear sign of scum because scum never have any motive other than "Man, I better write some shit so they don't yell at me for lurking".

Later he tries to back down even more by saying that he never actually thought I was scum, but townies don't lie and everything in his behavior said that he thought I was scum. There is no reason ever that a townie would make that much of an effort trying to make it seem like he thought I was scum unless he really did think that, there's no guaranteed benefit but there are potential disasters just waiting to happen. Townies don't do stuff like that.

I also found this post very interesting. For a guy who has a 5 page filter in a 17 page game, he never asked who Quatol was even though he was "having a seizure". This is really weird because townies usually just shoot from the hip and ask whatever questions but even though he seems like he's saying what's on his mind, he actually isn't. Why is he even so nervous about Quatol? It's some dude writing whatever on another user, I knew that marvellosity is cohosting with Palmar whose smurf Quatol is so I don't know but I think townies would mostly feel annoyed that someone is making the thread harder to read by posting on another account. Risen is nervous which is something scum are but townies aren't. I think a lot of his posting seems nervous but this is a really good example of it.

Why apologize? Scum apologizes but townies are like "get out, i'm the towniest townie in town just by how green my pm is".

I trust my early reads because they are usually what I have the most luck with and I'm pretty sure that Risen is the best lynch for today.

Also if you are some kind of blue it's probably time to claim.

On September 08 2012 05:25 Ange777 wrote:


So what made you contradict yourself regarding marv? Or are you simply too lazy to answer questions directed at you?

On September 08 2012 05:19 prplhz wrote:
Still here I just don't want to talk to someone who calls me a dolt and writes in caps because I would regret what I say later.

On September 07 2012 19:38 Ange777 wrote:
@Risen: Explain this!

On September 08 2012 05:56 Keirathi wrote:
So wait, he's scummy if he stays off of you for the town cred, but hes scummy if he votes you too?

On September 08 2012 06:08 Keirathi wrote:

But you did back off prpl. Even if I give you the BotD that you were answering "Why did I vote prplhz 3 posts into the game" instead of "Why do you think prplhz is scum", you still maintained for a lot of the day that prplhz was scum. I can quote all the times you mentioned your scum read on him again, if you want. I'm not even talking about your first post, just the ones after it. But a few hours ago, you said something along of the lines of "I don't think prplhz is scum, I think he's a bad townie. Forget him and lynch Dirk/Zeph/etc".

Also, I do have a question for you: What part of your meta, specifically, are you trying to change? I was under the impression that you were just trying to work on your attitude, because thats what you said you were working on in Not Themed. Your attitude has nothing to do with the meta argument that marv made against you, so your questioning of him because he made a meta argument about your townie playstyle, NOT your "FUCK YOU YOU'RE DUMB" attitude meta, doesn't make much sense to me.

On September 08 2012 06:18 Keirathi wrote:
Also, what happened to vader in your "Lynch order" list. He hasn't even been here, but you just dropped him.

On September 08 2012 06:42 Keirathi wrote:
FWIW, as much as I would like to change my opinion about you, I just can't. You're being really active here when your neck is on the line, but I feel like you're floundering around doing whatever you can to save your hide and throw mud onto everyone else. Besides you, there are 8 people in the game. Your lynch list, when you add in vader, is 6 people. You have basically the whole town down in order of who should be lynched.

Then there's things like this (emphasis is my own, and spoilered cause long quotes):
+ Show Spoiler +

You say that you are aware that you are making contradictions because you're posting on the fly off the top of your head, then say you have no contradictions.

You've flip-flopped on your reads every 30 minutes, without really PUSHING the cases. Hell, your vote isn't even on marv right now.

Too many little things all add up to you being scum.

On September 08 2012 06:45 marvellosity wrote:
Frankly I'm afraid he could be town but I'm more afraid that he's scummy wiggling and fooling me :/

On September 08 2012 06:51 marvellosity wrote:
Stop being a dick Risen and use your head. You know I know that post gives me trouble and not credit.

On September 08 2012 06:52 prplhz wrote:
meh

On September 08 2012 06:54 marvellosity wrote:
Risen if you're town you're being exceptionally dense.

On September 14 2012 10:55 Keirathi wrote:

Haha, wait. Are you saying that I have the reading comprehension of a 2 year old, or that I am awesome? Or maybe an awesome 2 year old!?

On September 14 2012 11:14 marvellosity wrote:
that was the clean version

On September 14 2012 11:27 marvellosity wrote:
This game was actually quite close despite the final result, imo.

If you're a townie getting lynched Day 1, you have to look at yourself and not just look at the town voting you, whether they are being bad or not.

Otherwise the whole vader issue was just quite unfortunate.

On September 14 2012 11:33 marvellosity wrote:
There's a reason some people almost never get lynched, Risen. And it's not just because they luck out with getting towns not voting for them.

On September 14 2012 11:42 Keirathi wrote:
Maybe. I still think I would have been in a pretty good spot with Me vs Dirk+BL, though.

On September 14 2012 11:45 Keirathi wrote:

No. No, no, no.

There's absolutely no way I could leave Zeph alive, and kill Dirkzor. Zeph might have been mildly suprised that marv died instead of me on n2, but there's no way he believes scum kills Dirkzor over me on night 3.

On September 14 2012 11:51 marvellosity wrote:


it's not just WIFOM. I won my newbie game (as town) by "wifoming" over night kills, and the thing was the argument was totally compelling. Night kill shit isn't just wifom.

On September 14 2012 11:51 Keirathi wrote:
But it's the truth. The status quo was that one of the two of us would be killed. Zeph because he was confirmed, or me because everyone had a town read on me and was extremely active. Both of us living through the night would have immediately sent up red flags, IMO.

On September 14 2012 11:58 Keirathi wrote:
Also that's the same reason I didn't choose to let Zeph's night 2 check go through. He had a parity check on BL night 1, and I was pretty sure that he was going to check him against me on night2 since he seemed to have the strongest town read on me. So with the check, he would have seen that BL and I were of different alignments.

But why would scum BL let the check go through when he already knew there was a check on him? I mean, he *COULD* have done it to frame me, but the most obvious answer is that a scum BL would have blocked the cop check. Yes, its WIFOM to make guesses about what scum would do, but it would have put me too high on the radar and got people looking harder at me than I would have wanted.

On September 14 2012 12:05 Acrofales wrote:
Lol. Two things (note, I still haven't read this game, just enjoying the discussion afterwards). Risen, I have been in 2 games with you in which you were prime lynch candidate. In both games I was scum and in both games I was scum and it was very easy to push a mislynch on you (GoT and SSMB mafia for the record). Given your reaction here, it happened again. When that happens once you might call it coincidence or "bad town", but when it happens 3 times you have to start thinking about your playstyle and what you can change (and also whether you want to... ) to not get mislynched.

Secondly, nightkills are often a lot of WIFOM, but sometimes it is just plainly suspicious if someone is left alive. There are some players who, if they live past N2 are almost certainly scum. There is nothing much wifom there, because they are simply too dangerous for scum to leave alive, so if they're alive past time X (without a damned good reason... and sometimes even with it), they are scum.

On September 14 2012 12:05 Zephirdd wrote:


hold on now. I apologized and all but



Is not a fucking good answer. It's terrible. When you are telling something chronologically, you are supposed to create a list of things and order by time of occurrence. You just mentioned that you never thought the guy was scum and even then he was the scummiest guy in the thread.


I don't even know why I apologized. I remember reading this partially and you saying "but I answered chronologically" and me thinking "oh maybe he did". Fuck no, you talked about your first post and threw some suspicion to my post.


If I ended up having more time during the last 24 hours, I'd probably pick someone else to lynch(or try), but you can't say you played this perfectly.

On September 08 2012 02:27 Risen wrote:
For clarity so scum zeph can't muddy the waters even more
Risen, chronologically tell the thread why you find prpl scummy

1)I never thought he was scum in my first post, he was just the scummiest of the posters before me so I chose him.
2) his actions since then have been scummy

On September 06 2012 06:56 Risen wrote:


Something to look at later. Why not just say I don't look scum based off meta? Scummy brosephemon.

On September 14 2012 12:48 Keirathi wrote:
Yea, well they thought I was too

Objectively, its things like the post where you gave the person you had a scum read on (prplhz) a way to be appear townie again. What's the town motivation for doing that? If you have a hunch that a person is scum, why would you ever tell them exactly what they needed to do to get back in your good graces? Granted, there's not much scum motivation for it, either, but as a scum you would already know that they are townie, so when it gets late game and someone questions why you don't still have a scum read on them, you can say "He started posting better and scumhunting!".

Also, all your WIFOM arguments against marv felt really out of place. Like, what purpose did they serve? You basically just used a bunch of WIFOM about playing as scum together to justify a "I'm paranoid of marv" read.

On September 14 2012 13:16 Keirathi wrote:

I understand your point. But look at marv's pressure vote against me on day1 for saying "I think" etc a bunch. He told me exactly what I needed to do to buy some free BotD. Had he not said that, I probably would have continued, and maybe there would have been something to make an actual case against at some point because he would have been scrutinizing me harder. Granted, that situation is a little different because I always post really iwshy-washy on day1 and get firmer as the game goes on, but the point still stands.

You can force people into playing your game and give yourself a better read of them in better ways, IMO. Ask them questions, ask for opinions, etc etc.

If it works for you, thats fine. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't like it.

On September 14 2012 13:27 Zephirdd wrote:
everything looks easy and obvious on hindsight tho

On September 14 2012 13:36 Keirathi wrote:
@BH: It's really easy to say that, but then why do people like Marv win every game as scum? Does he just get good luck with setups and terrible towns every time that never pressured him? No, he wins because he can pretend to be a townie without all that much trouble.

Do I think my play was perfect? Hell no. It was my first scum game. But I honestly feel like I did a pretty decent job of pretending to be a townie, because I did play this game with the mindset of a townie. Which, as odd as it is, is exactly what a good scum's mindset should be.

On September 14 2012 13:38 Keirathi wrote:

Also, yea you did that a lot. By the time you died, you had literally accused 6 out of the 8 people of being scum, and all of them after their vote for you (except for prplhz).

On September 14 2012 14:23 EchelonTee wrote:
Ange, you're always a good nightkill in my book :D

On September 14 2012 14:26 prplhz wrote:

No one ever thought of lynching Dirkzor except a rampaging Bluelightz, and this is even though he survived until LYLO. That's really what you gotta do as townie, make sure no one is on your back.

Ange777 didn't do anything this game at all since she was lynched on day1. I'm sure there would have been some more from her later (she even admits this after she died in the "man, i was just getting time for this game"-post). I mean she wasn't bad or anything but she simply wasn't alive enough to be any good.

On September 14 2012 14:30 Keirathi wrote:

Establishing yourself as town is at least almost as important as finding scum, if not as important.

Look at Newbie XXVI that just ended. Scum crumbled because there was a townie circle forming and one guy picked up that because of it, the 3 scum were obvious. Granted, that only happened because of some poor NKs, but still!

On September 14 2012 14:32 Risen wrote:


I don't see how Dirk established himself as town. If I was any of the other players he would have been my d2 lynch choice, and then my d3 lynch choice.

Edit: Prpl how on earth was dirk established as a townie? He was scummier than you, in my opinion, and he ended up being town lol

On September 14 2012 14:35 prplhz wrote:

But no one else found him scummy (except a scum). Ange777 figuratively had no impact on this game. I'm sure she would have done well if she had been allowed to survive past night1 and had time to show her worth but unfortunately (for her) she was an underrated townie and that spells doom when there is a medic around.

On September 14 2012 14:37 prplhz wrote:
I don't know how Dirkzor was established as townie because I didn't really read the game, the only vote he ever got was from Bluelightz who was borderline delusional at that point, voting for confirmed cops and stuff like that.

On September 14 2012 14:47 HiroPro wrote:
Scum burnout? I wish I had a game as scum. It's been months since I was mafia T_T

On September 14 2012 14:49 HiroPro wrote:


Nah I would never request for roles lol. I don't think it's really fair to other players.

On September 14 2012 14:51 HiroPro wrote:
What was risk.nuke's streak before bureaucracy? Like 15/20?