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Risen
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Barbiero
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Risen
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On September 14 2012 13:27 Zephirdd wrote: everything looks easy and obvious on hindsight tho I know, right? XD I really wish Dirk hadn't come in like he did... Edit: Also, of the 4 votes on me early, both scum were on me. I mean shit, at one point it was 2 prpl, 2 me. How on earth did people justify voting me over prpl when the vote count was like that. His play was way, WAY more scummy than mine early on. I didn't even flip my shit until later on in the thread when everyone was already on me. Double Edit: I mean gosh, look at his vote onto Keir and the reasoning behind it then his swap back to me. I pointed these things out in thread. AWRnfkj 4awngflwngflknawlgnktlawnktglk | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18445 Posts
So yes, on the one hand it's a good idea to post a lot and keep your ideas flowing. On the other hand, you mustn't want to post every little theory you come up with. Write them down for yourself to keep them in mind and gather evidence for and against. Then make a post about it when you are more convinced which hypothesis is true, rather than posting them all. But this is all based on a different game and I don't know if it's remotely similar to what happened here. In GoT mafia your problem was mainly going all nuts at WBG  | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Do I think my play was perfect? Hell no. It was my first scum game. But I honestly feel like I did a pretty decent job of pretending to be a townie, because I did play this game with the mindset of a townie. Which, as odd as it is, is exactly what a good scum's mindset should be. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On September 14 2012 13:33 Acrofales wrote: @Risen: to give specific advise I would have to actually read this game and I don't have time right now. What I remember tripped you up in SMBB was that you did post a lot, but every post had a different opinion. iGrok was scum, no Grush, no iGrok after all, together with Tali. By the time you actually got it right, it was easy to dismiss as "throwing blame around to see where it'll stick" and paint you as scum. Hell, I am not even sure anybody was actually convinced you were scum by the time you died in that game, but you had no credibility either way. So yes, on the one hand it's a good idea to post a lot and keep your ideas flowing. On the other hand, you mustn't want to post every little theory you come up with. Write them down for yourself to keep them in mind and gather evidence for and against. Then make a post about it when you are more convinced which hypothesis is true, rather than posting them all. But this is all based on a different game and I don't know if it's remotely similar to what happened here. In GoT mafia your problem was mainly going all nuts at WBG Also, yea you did that a lot. By the time you died, you had literally accused 6 out of the 8 people of being scum, and all of them after their vote for you (except for prplhz). | ||
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Keirathi
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Keirathi
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On September 14 2012 13:36 Keirathi wrote: @BH: It's really easy to say that, but then why do people like Marv win every game as scum? Does he just get good luck with setups and terrible towns every time that never pressured him? No, he wins because he can pretend to be a townie without all that much trouble. Do I think my play was perfect? Hell no. It was my first scum game. But I honestly feel like I did a pretty decent job of pretending to be a townie, because I did play this game with the mindset of a townie. Which, as odd as it is, is exactly what a good scum's mindset should be. Actually, you're probably right when you start getting into bigger games. Only having one scum partner is probably much, much easier than when you have 4 or 5 or whatever. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On September 14 2012 13:36 Keirathi wrote: @BH: It's really easy to say that, but then why do people like Marv win every game as scum? Does he just get good luck with setups and terrible towns every time that never pressured him? No, he wins because he can pretend to be a townie without all that much trouble. Do I think my play was perfect? Hell no. It was my first scum game. But I honestly feel like I did a pretty decent job of pretending to be a townie, because I did play this game with the mindset of a townie. Which, as odd as it is, is exactly what a good scum's mindset should be. That point is self-defeating, though, since a guy like Marv doesn't need me to tell him how to pretend to be townie. Also, Marv isn't some ridiculous superdemon of scum skill. He makes mistakes too. And honestly, it's much much more important to increase the activity of townies and force people to talk than it is to avoid giving the little piece of advice it'll take to make Zephirdd the next Marv. Your #1 goal as a townie is to lynch scum. If it turns out a scum player becomes more skilled as a result of your pressure, that's actually totally okay. In fact, this argument against telling people what to do could be applied against making cases in general. Maybe I should never point out scummy things people do when making cases against them, right? Cause they'll stop doing it and appear like townies? This kind of logic is the kind of logic that leaves TL towns in the state they're in today. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
E: Good game all. Sorry town wasn't more active and people got lynched that probably shouldn't have. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
If I seem strident to you, read this: http://freethoughtblogs.com/crommunist/2010/06/07/i-am-not-my-ideas/ and understand I mean no offense. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 14 2012 13:36 Keirathi wrote: @BH: It's really easy to say that, but then why do people like Marv win every game as scum? Does he just get good luck with setups and terrible towns every time that never pressured him? No, he wins because he can pretend to be a townie without all that much trouble. Do I think my play was perfect? Hell no. It was my first scum game. But I honestly feel like I did a pretty decent job of pretending to be a townie, because I did play this game with the mindset of a townie. Which, as odd as it is, is exactly what a good scum's mindset should be. I think this statement speaks more to the quality of towns on TL than anything else. Not even saying that marv isn't brilliant as scum. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 14 2012 13:38 Keirathi wrote: Also, yea you did that a lot. By the time you died, you had literally accused 6 out of the 8 people of being scum, and all of them after their vote for you (except for prplhz). Yeah I'll look into that when playing in the future. It's just when people started voting for me they ALL looked scummy to me b/c their reasoning was so horrible  I don't know how to not point out scummy behavior... | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On September 14 2012 13:57 Risen wrote: Yeah I'll look into that when playing in the future. It's just when people started voting for me they ALL looked scummy to me b/c their reasoning was so horrible I don't know how to not point out scummy behavior... It should have still seemed illogical and unhelpful to provide town with 6 scumreads right? You initially built scumreads based on how people acted, what kinds of cases they developed, and what they did, and you fingered prplhz and keirathi. Then, you started thinking anyone who attacked you was scum, and that's when you stopped being accurate. If you had stuck to your reads and not let the attacks on you interfere, I can't say for sure prplhz or kei would have gotten lynched, but I think even if you did get lynched, town would have more to work off of. If you get mislynched as a townie it's not all over-- you want to try to set up for a town victory anyways. It's still a win, even if you're dead, if town wins. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On September 14 2012 13:27 Risen wrote: I know, right? XD I really wish Dirk hadn't come in like he did... Edit: Also, of the 4 votes on me early, both scum were on me. I mean shit, at one point it was 2 prpl, 2 me. How on earth did people justify voting me over prpl when the vote count was like that. His play was way, WAY more scummy than mine early on. I didn't even flip my shit until later on in the thread when everyone was already on me. Double Edit: I mean gosh, look at his vote onto Keir and the reasoning behind it then his swap back to me. I pointed these things out in thread. AWRnfkj 4awngflwngflknawlgnktlawnktglk The reason two scum were on you so early was because you allowed it to happen. Why weren't two scum on Dirkzor or marvellosity or Ange777? It's not like we decided "holy fuck we need to all in here", it felt pretty natural for both of us to vote you and a lot of townies felt the same way. In the end you were lynched with 7 votes on you, 5 of them town which is enough for majority on its own. If you don't want to get lynched on day1 then it's a lot easier for you to change how you play than to change how everybody else plays. They play that way for a reason you know. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:04 Risen wrote: Hmm, I can't tell if Marvel is actually an upset towny (though why would he be, from an outsiders perspective look at all the juicy posting that has occured!) or scum trying to make the appearance of bussing me. I think I've only ever played with him as "scum", and he's always posted a lot less. He knows this, though, and he's a smart cookie. Is he posting more now BECAUSE he knows I'm in this game and since he's scum he can' tplay like he did, or is it b/c he's genuinely town? Verdict: WIFOM as fuck. At least with this much posting if he is scum it won't come down to something retarded like in Death Note (ITSMARVELBABYYY YEAHHHHH) Risen wrote: Well that's going to go down as one of the dumbest things a towny has ever done if I get lynched off that rofl. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
I love you  I think I made that post jokingly, though. I didn't think anyone would possibly want to lynch me lol. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On September 14 2012 13:52 Blazinghand wrote: ;_; sorry. I didn't mean to call you dumb -- I think you probably played the best out of all the players this game. When I attack an idea someone holds, I'm not attacking them personally. I'm just attacking an idea. If I seem strident to you, read this: http://freethoughtblogs.com/crommunist/2010/06/07/i-am-not-my-ideas/ and understand I mean no offense. Sorry, I know you weren't personally attacking me. Bleh, I've wrote and rewrote this post like 10 times, but there's really nothing to say. I just needed a smoke break to cool my jets. My bad <3. | ||
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Risen
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