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On September 14 2012 14:13 Risen wrote:
Mannnn, when I was writing that wifom stuff I just wanted town to be aware of how slippy marv could be. I guess I should have just relied on people to know that, or maybe went about saying it in a different manner, but I didn't trust anyone else to actually think T_T
I think anyone who has ever played with or against scum marv, or even just read the games, should be fully aware of it. I know I certainly am.
I talk to marv a lot about mafia in general. He has an extremely good understanding of the game, and there's no way anyone should ever underestimate him, regardless of your alignment.
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why are you guys flaming a new player lol?
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Keirathi clearly MVP, well played for first scum game although I think some of the better scum hunters on this forum would have caught him. He probably knows this himself though and it doesn't take anything away from a really solid performance.
I also really doubt that Risen could have gotten me or Keirathi lynched on day1 simply because of the sway that marvellosity had in town and we were pretty good at manipulating him. My activity on day1 was all because I knew that marvellosity knew that in my last games as scum I pretty much fell off the surface of the earth and if I would just be active he very likely wouldn't go against me on day1. Keirathi had his own thing where he tried to get town credit for pushing me while he knew that marvellosity would speak out against a lynch on me so I still wouldn't get lynched, and probably some other thing that I would know if I had actually followed this game more closely.
There's no town MVP because there wasn't a single scum lynch and it wasn't all because scum (prplhz) was looking super townie. It was because bad townies allowed themselves to be lynched three times in a row and other bad townies allowed this to happen. The Risen lynch was okay but the vaderseven lynch was really bad. If you need to make a last minute change then you can only do it onto a guy like Bluelightz because he was clearly not putting two shreds of effort into this game the game would be better if he was dead, town or not, simply because of the distraction he was (I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with me on that though and that's fine).
I also think that the last day townies need to start questioning things a little more, I was just trying to make it appear as if Bluelightz was scum on last day and see if I could get "credit" for bussing him and people fell right into that, especially with some promotion of that idea from Keirathi. It was just too dumb. It was just too easy to lynch Bluelightz and then me so it probably wasn't the right thing. Also, Bluelightz plays like this sometimes, look at Death Factory Mafia 2 where he was utter shit too. He doesn't have Wheel of Fortune games all the time and lynching him over "conflicting opinions on vaderseven" was so weak I couldn't believe it.
Best townie was Dirkzor I think even though he (and everybody else) needs to think everything over at LYLO. Ange777 and marvellosity were largely shot on reputation before they had a chance to really make an impact on the game. We were quite afraid that marvellosity would actually take a step back and reconsider at LYLO and figure it out (like he did in that game where he pulled a town win out of a 2 townies, 3 scum, 1 serial killer LYLO by target lynching the god damn roleblocker holy fuck) but we were never afraid that anybody else would. You should try to make sure that we're afraid of that next game.
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On September 14 2012 14:18 EchelonTee wrote:
why are you guys flaming a new player lol?
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On September 14 2012 14:18 EchelonTee wrote:
why are you guys flaming a new player lol?
No one is flaming anybody?
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On September 14 2012 14:20 EchelonTee wrote:
I'm dumb
-afk
Yea, maybe we should flame the not-so-new observer instead!
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What justifies Dirk being best townie? He's the only real reason the lynch on me got off the ground.
I think that honor belongs to Ange.
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I also really doubt that Risen could have gotten me or Keirathi lynched on day1 simply because of the sway that marvellosity had in town and we were pretty good at manipulating him. My activity on day1 was all because I knew that marvellosity knew that in my last games as scum I pretty much fell off the surface of the earth and if I would just be active he very likely wouldn't go against me on day1.
All you need is one person as scum 
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GG scum Especially well played by Keir!!!
I've never been nightkilled before, observing the game from the sidelines was somehow really frustrating especially with the low activity. I don't know if I'd have been able to catch both scum but I'm sure that at least I'd have been able to push for more activity ^^ It was sad that I had started to give my first better read on Zeph and not on another player, maybe that would have been more useful
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Ange, you're always a good nightkill in my book :D
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@Risen: Besides being worried about a medic protect on marv, and ignoring Ange's reputation, there was a reason I killed her night 1. She literally had nothing in her filter that I felt I could even use to discredit her, much less enough to push an actual case.
Oh, hi Ange. Well played yourself!
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On September 14 2012 14:23 EchelonTee wrote:
Ange, you're always a good nightkill in my book :D
Agreed. I'm really afraid of ever running into a scum ange b/c I love the way he played this game. I called him in the obs QT as the n1 kill b/c he was playing too smart.
Edit: he is apparently a she. My b yo.
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On September 14 2012 14:22 Risen wrote:
What justifies Dirk being best townie? He's the only real reason the lynch on me got off the ground.
I think that honor belongs to Ange.
No one ever thought of lynching Dirkzor except a rampaging Bluelightz, and this is even though he survived until LYLO. That's really what you gotta do as townie, make sure no one is on your back.
Ange777 didn't do anything this game at all since she was lynched on day1. I'm sure there would have been some more from her later (she even admits this after she died in the "man, i was just getting time for this game"-post). I mean she wasn't bad or anything but she simply wasn't alive enough to be any good.
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On September 14 2012 14:26 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 14:22 Risen wrote:
What justifies Dirk being best townie? He's the only real reason the lynch on me got off the ground.
I think that honor belongs to Ange. No one ever thought of lynching Dirkzor except a rampaging Bluelightz, and this is even though he survived until LYLO. That's really what you gotta do as townie, make sure no one is on your back. Ange777 didn't do anything this game at all since she was lynched on day1. I'm sure there would have been some more from her later (she even admits this after she died in the "man, i was just getting time for this game"-post). I mean she wasn't bad or anything but she simply wasn't alive enough to be any good.
Too be fair, I had things listed in my notes to use against Dirk. I just never had to because townies were lynching other townies 
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On September 14 2012 14:26 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 14:22 Risen wrote:
What justifies Dirk being best townie? He's the only real reason the lynch on me got off the ground.
I think that honor belongs to Ange. No one ever thought of lynching Dirkzor except a rampaging Bluelightz, and this is even though he survived until LYLO. That's really what you gotta do as townie, make sure no one is on your back.Ange777 didn't do anything this game at all since she was lynched on day1. I'm sure there would have been some more from her later (she even admits this after she died in the "man, i was just getting time for this game"-post). I mean she wasn't bad or anything but she simply wasn't alive enough to be any good.
I disagree. I always thought the objective as town was to find scum, something Dirk did 0 of this game.
Edit: In fact, the thing that made me so convinced of Dirk being scum was that he ignored prpl, found Keir scummy and did nothing about it not even really building a case, and then voted me for reasons that didn't even make sense.
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On September 14 2012 14:27 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 14:26 prplhz wrote:On September 14 2012 14:22 Risen wrote:
What justifies Dirk being best townie? He's the only real reason the lynch on me got off the ground.
I think that honor belongs to Ange. No one ever thought of lynching Dirkzor except a rampaging Bluelightz, and this is even though he survived until LYLO. That's really what you gotta do as townie, make sure no one is on your back.Ange777 didn't do anything this game at all since she was lynched on day1. I'm sure there would have been some more from her later (she even admits this after she died in the "man, i was just getting time for this game"-post). I mean she wasn't bad or anything but she simply wasn't alive enough to be any good. I disagree. I always thought the objective as town was to find scum, something Dirk did 0 of this game.
Establishing yourself as town is at least almost as important as finding scum, if not as important.
Look at Newbie XXVI that just ended. Scum crumbled because there was a townie circle forming and one guy picked up that because of it, the 3 scum were obvious. Granted, that only happened because of some poor NKs, but still!
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On September 14 2012 14:27 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 14:26 prplhz wrote:On September 14 2012 14:22 Risen wrote:
What justifies Dirk being best townie? He's the only real reason the lynch on me got off the ground.
I think that honor belongs to Ange. No one ever thought of lynching Dirkzor except a rampaging Bluelightz, and this is even though he survived until LYLO. That's really what you gotta do as townie, make sure no one is on your back.Ange777 didn't do anything this game at all since she was lynched on day1. I'm sure there would have been some more from her later (she even admits this after she died in the "man, i was just getting time for this game"-post). I mean she wasn't bad or anything but she simply wasn't alive enough to be any good. I disagree. I always thought the objective as town was to find scum, something Dirk did 0 of this game.
It's pretty good if all townies can appear as townie as they are. Makes it really hard for scum to survive when there are no townies around to lynch. You found two scum on day1 and then you were lynched and no one cared and scum facerolled to victory, wouldn't it have been better if nobody had lynched you because of how townie you were? If nobody had lynched any townie because of how townie they were?
As I said, he didn't play brilliantly or anything but he was pretty good at the basics, which is making sure that everybody knows that you're town. Everybody else was shot early or lynched (or claimed cop like Zephirdd).
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On September 14 2012 14:27 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 14:26 prplhz wrote:On September 14 2012 14:22 Risen wrote:
What justifies Dirk being best townie? He's the only real reason the lynch on me got off the ground.
I think that honor belongs to Ange. No one ever thought of lynching Dirkzor except a rampaging Bluelightz, and this is even though he survived until LYLO. That's really what you gotta do as townie, make sure no one is on your back. Ange777 didn't do anything this game at all since she was lynched on day1. I'm sure there would have been some more from her later (she even admits this after she died in the "man, i was just getting time for this game"-post). I mean she wasn't bad or anything but she simply wasn't alive enough to be any good. Too be fair, I had things listed in my notes to use against Dirk. I just never had to because townies were lynching other townies
To be fair, you were scum
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On September 14 2012 14:30 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 14:27 Risen wrote:On September 14 2012 14:26 prplhz wrote:On September 14 2012 14:22 Risen wrote:
What justifies Dirk being best townie? He's the only real reason the lynch on me got off the ground.
I think that honor belongs to Ange. No one ever thought of lynching Dirkzor except a rampaging Bluelightz, and this is even though he survived until LYLO. That's really what you gotta do as townie, make sure no one is on your back.Ange777 didn't do anything this game at all since she was lynched on day1. I'm sure there would have been some more from her later (she even admits this after she died in the "man, i was just getting time for this game"-post). I mean she wasn't bad or anything but she simply wasn't alive enough to be any good. I disagree. I always thought the objective as town was to find scum, something Dirk did 0 of this game. Establishing yourself as town is at least almost as important as finding scum, if not as important. Look at Newbie XXVI that just ended. Scum crumbled because there was a townie circle forming and one guy picked up that because of it, the 3 scum were obvious. Granted, that only happened because of some poor NKs, but still!
I don't see how Dirk established himself as town. If I was any of the other players he would have been my d2 lynch choice, and then my d3 lynch choice.
Edit: Prpl how on earth was dirk established as a townie? He was scummier than you, in my opinion, and he ended up being town lol
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