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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 14 2012 14:49 HiroPro wrote: Nah I would never request for roles lol. I don't think it's really fair to other players. Lol, I just mean the RNG has to favor you one of these days! | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 14 2012 14:51 HiroPro wrote: What was risk.nuke's streak before bureaucracy? Like 15/20? I'd kill myself. Thankfully I think I've been scum more than town hahaha | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
For some reason I'm never lynched. I say to my self its because I'm fairly town. Since I know I'm not the best scumhunter I try to appear as town as possible to others so they can take me out of the equation. Risen you clearly doesn't agree that I looked townie and thats fine. I was so right about Prplhz. I was so right about BL (earlier). Reason to suspect BL in the end was because I ran out of scum reads. I should have trusted my gut about both keir and BL and looked closer at keir. He was there in the back of my mind - and it shows clearly when I asked marv is he had considered Keir RB himself. In the end I decided to sheep Zeph/Keir because BL was my 2nd scumread. I would lynch risen again next game if played out similarly. Posting a lot isn't a towntell when what you write isn't thought through and just confuse the crap out of me. Keir you played very well. You play the same style of scum as I do: think as town, post as town. It works in smaller setups but I have no clue about large games. (I try to avoid those) It's super cool to play scum like that and by far more fun then to play town (for me). =) The setup was SUPER! I mean super good! Why? No one really talked about the setup during the game. I like simple and small. GJ hosting BH! Was super smooth. I liked that you stepped in and stopped the swearing and such. It was over the top at one point. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On September 14 2012 16:52 Dirkzor wrote: I would lynch risen again next game if played out similarly. Posting a lot isn't a towntell when what you write isn't thought through and just confuse the crap out of me. I think posting a lot isn't a scumtell either, even if it's not super thought through. I think if you're posting a lot, and it isn't well thought through and it's confusing, that isn't even a scumtell (though it is anti-town play). If you're actively hurting the town atmosphere, though, that's a scumtell. If you're not trying to hunt scum, that's a scumtell (and risen ended up like this about halfway through D1 from frustration). It's not that clear-cut usually though. Like, it's easy to imagine a townie posting a lot, and maybe not thinking things through too much because he has nothing to fear since he's a townie. It's harder, in fact, to imagine a scum posting a lot and not thinking things through, because in doing so you'd be very susceptible to slipping up as scum or generating associative tells if you end up flipping, unless you're very careful. The more transparent you are with your thought process, the more careful you have to be. Someone getting pissed and posting a lot and lashing out at people, as Risen did, is absolutely NOT a scumtell. It's not a town-tell on its face, since scum could easily pretend to do it, but a lot of the reason Risen got lynched isn't because people had great reasons to lynch him. Though there were reasons, of course. Risen was playing a bit weirdly in some people's eyes. Really, though, there were no solid cases that were pushed on non-Risen candidates D1. Like, nobody got more than 1 (or 2?) votes besides him. In a "1 wagon, lots of stragglers" scenario, the 1 wagon is always always lynched unless there's a really well-put-together case and enough time for everyone to get on board. Without a well-laid-out case (in part due to town inactivity, in part because Risen, the active townie, became unfocused on his reads), there was no way anyone else was getting lynched. On September 14 2012 16:52 Dirkzor wrote: The setup was SUPER! I mean super good! Why? No one really talked about the setup during the game. I like simple and small. GJ hosting BH! Was super smooth. I liked that you stepped in and stopped the swearing and such. It was over the top at one point. Yeah everyone ended up becoming more civil, and I'm glad about that. The setup was pretty fun, I may run another Normal Mini with the same setup sometime later. This setup is meant to be more "flat" relative to the normal 9-player 7-2 mini. Typically it's like this: 1 goon 1 RB 7 VTs or 1 goon 1 RB 1 cop 1 doc or 2 goons 1 cop or 2 goons 1 doc by nerfing cop and doc (parity and non-conseq) and adding in BoxeRs, it means the strongest setup, cop/doc, is weaker, and the weaker setups are stronger. No matter what, town has 2 blue claims, and there's no way to just lean on the cop. The hope for this setup was to make the setup focused entirely on day play with scumhunting and arguing being the only way town can win, but town always has 2 claims to use. I was initially worried the setup was too town-favored, but the Parity Cop mechanic is really nice. It relies on the cop also being a good scumhunter AND living all the way to D3. Either he's got no doctor to protect him, or the doctor is non-conseq AND there's an RBer. And on D3 even with results, you need to back it up with your reads. It makes for good conversation. getting a "different" result between two players at LYLO can be very tense. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
I agree that town didn't have any other lynch target then Risen day 1. It was of course the entire towns fault, but Risen just kept posting keeping himself in focus. I would go so far as to say it would have been better if Risen had posted less on d1 than he did. In order for me to improve I'm asking anyone to explain (or even make a "real" case) how exactly I looked scummy? Try to not use hindsight because that will just ruin it. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 14 2012 16:55 Bluelightz wrote: I can only be dissapointed with myself and v7. Hey, I'm glad to hear you say that. It was maddening to see you only active once you were all but dead at LYLO. You need to look at how you're spending time on the game. prplhz - you're never going to forgive me for picking out Snarfs that game, are you? Risen - I've said it multiple times to you already and I'll say it again - Dirk was not scummy. The fact you continue to say he was does not make it so. Edit: Dirk - process of elimination, probably. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 14 2012 20:22 marvellosity wrote: Hey, I'm glad to hear you say that. It was maddening to see you only active once you were all but dead at LYLO. You need to look at how you're spending time on the game. prplhz - you're never going to forgive me for picking out Snarfs that game, are you? Risen - I've said it multiple times to you already and I'll say it again - Dirk was not scummy. The fact you continue to say he was does not make it so. Edit: Dirk - process of elimination, probably. D'awww <3, You better get rid of that Get killed n1/Not get killed n1 though please  , that was fucking with my brain so much | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 14 2012 20:49 Bluelightz wrote: D'awww <3, You better get rid of that Get killed n1/Not get killed n1 though please , that was fucking with my brain so much Yeah, the reason I thought you might be scum wasn't your wishy washy reads, it was that you ignored my questions that I was pushing at you about that. That really got to me. Especially as scum you'd left me alive! That contradiction gnawed at me. Regards to dying - there are stronger town players than me that don't die Night 1 or Night 2. I think I'm just a convenient target because at some point I *can* pull things together, plus I'm extremely hard to (mis)lynch. If you'd put half the effort into Day 2 as you did Day 3, town would have been much better off, and you probably know that  Look at your own play those 2 days and I know you can see the massive difference. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
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Quatol
Burkina Faso57 Posts
On September 14 2012 23:18 Zephirdd wrote: I thought dirk was town most of the time. He could only be scum by association with bl imo. yeah, totes agree | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
Oh wait. I didn't communicate that well enough and I totally ruined the game leading up to that moment. I did nothing right this game. My bad again. | ||
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